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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Prior to humans, how many species do you think were sentient beings?
Regardless of how long ago marine animals were around, if they lived in the oceans, would their ghosts be likely to hang out on land? They knew very little of land, unless they beached themselves to die.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack

I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.

But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.

I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?

But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think people can have the mental impression of those things, but they haven't been tested out irl to figure if they're verifiable fact or just a brain fart.

Did you ever have the dream that you're falling, and you reach out to try and catch yourself, and you jerk and it wakes you up? It turns out the brain simply misremembers the sequence of events. What happens is you jerk in your sleep as you transition back to a deeper sleep state, and your brain confabulates a 'reason' in a dream, which it then stores in memory as before-the-fact. So brains is tricky things.

Anyway - deja vu (before seen) is a very common experience, and it consists of a FEELING that you've experienced something earlier; I've never seen someone use information from that felt experience to know something not in current experience.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

While I was a minor I often had Deja Vu. Some repeated enough times that I would try to count the repeated episodes. Several got to 5, so I figured the last time was real life, although all of the prior times had the same exact sensation, not like a dream. I have never heard any skeptic rationalization that fit my experiences.
One sequence that repeated the most (that I recall) occurred 14 times, or the real one was after 13 prior. When it occurred, it was a once in a lifetime event. Only one specific year could it have occurred, only one specific day of that one year could it have occurred. As I recall, the prior 13 times I was not aware of the time exclusivity of the sequence - I only experienced it and recall prior Deja Vus of it, but did not really understand what it was. Everybody was wearing the same clothes - and part of the clues required that I was concentrating on their clothes, the speaking was the same - these people spoke the same words in the same exchange of conversation each time - and sound effects were the same, rattling of china and silver in the exact same sequence each time.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
There's a similar but opposite experience called jamais vu (never seen) where something familiar looks completely strange. I've felt both of them at one time or another, but they were just feelings, unrelated to anything irl.

When it comes to hearing things that aren't there (especially voices or conversations, I'm presuming), some people have a lot more connections between their auditory processing centers and various parts of their brain. These non-schizophrenic people hear voices. I personally don't hear voices, but I do confabulate music in pink noise (I also dream original music at times); and experience some synesthesia between sounds and sights.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I meant things not visible, things the subject (or you) cannot know are there. I saw this on some TV show. A trainer had a class full of Law Enforcement Detectives, and they were all non-believers. You may prefer the term skeptics, but they were well beyond skeptic - they did not believe. About 20 of them, none sitting next to the other. The trainer passed around a manila envelope, opaque, with a photo inside. Nobody was allowed to open the envelope, but merely hold it in their hands and concentrate on what was inside the envelope. They they were to draw what came to mind. About 1/4 of them drew and oval, like an egg on it's side - these all looked remarkably similar. how would you explain that?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
About 1/4 of them drew what seemed like trees, fir/evergreen/pine tyre trees.
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of these had a gap in the middle, between stands of trees.

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About 1/4 of them drew a house type structure, with windows and doors and steps. These were fairly similar - how would you explain that?

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Some of them incorporated more than one of these 3 features in their drawings. How would you explain that, not even knowing what the actual photo was?

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The photo was removed and revealed. It had a Pagoda style house in the center, with the multi-layered roof eves looking like tree limbs, and had trees on both sides of it, and had a pond in front of it, looking like an oval in perspective.
All of the drawings looked like at least pert of the photo, with spacing equal to that in the photo.
How would you explain that?

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It was not secret TV, so it may be available for viewing somewhere, maybe it was PBS.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Out of body experiences can be recreated by activating part of the brain - I forget which part, I'd have to look it up. So can the feeling that someone is standing behind or beside you, watching you. I've never had that though I know someone who did. But It was in the context of deep, relaxed concentration before going to sleep, so it may have been a dream.

The 4th human color is caused by women having an extra DNA code for a color receptor most people don't have (on the X chromosome). As far as I know, except for looking at genetics, there's no visual test for it since the rgb codes used don't carry enough signal to create those differences, to be able to test who might or might not see them.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The first person to be confirmed with this trait was found via colored billboard. For all of us, it was a solid red billboard. The specific color frequency was painted on as a message to call an 800 number to collect something like $100,000. The lady drove by it regularly and thought it was a scam - her always passenger son was blind. After years, the experiment was considered a failure, and the billboard charge was discontinued. Just before the billboard message was to be replaced, the lady had another lady as passenger, and this lady commented what was the purpose of that solid red billboard.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You have confirmed what I suspected. But this leaves me disappointed in you on this topic.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Haven't seen anything so far.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It was not secret TV, so it may be available for viewing somewhere, maybe it was PBS.

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A title or SOMEthing! (program - NOVA? Nature?) would be really helpful!

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