'We'll lose elephants within 5 years if we continue like this' by 1kiki

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'We'll lose elephants within 5 years if we continue like this'

POSTED BY: 1KIKI
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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/africa/mozambique-ivory-trade-china
-africa-intl/index.html

The last hope for the elephants

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:19 PM

REAVERFAN

We've been warning about this for decades. Between the demand for ivory in Asia, and "trophy hunters," along with human encroachment on the disappearing wild spaces they depend on, elephants and other "exotic" animals are dying out.

For nothing more than human greed.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Poverty drives the poachers. Greed drives the businessmen. And sheer numbers make the Chinese a dominant force.

What are we going to do about it?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:47 PM

REAVERFAN

Hire more people to guard the elephants. Shoot to kill. Outlaw trophy hunting.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/elephant-poachers-shot
-dead-kenya-wildlife-reserve-mount-elgon-national-park-a8388246.html

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Do you think this might be a good use of the US military? And might the CIA be tasked with tracking down the middlemen?

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:14 PM

REAVERFAN

We don't need the US military. An international fund to hire and train way more people would be good. The CIA probably already knows all about who's involved. Our current president is as anti-environment as he could be, and really doesn't care.

More education in China might help, too. I don't know if they talk a lot about the perils of the ivory trade, but they should.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Trump is anti-environment, but Obama was just as bad when it came to this. I don't see any big amount of progress during his administration - do you?

Do you ever wonder how you can get to one aged rhino, the last of its species, when you start with millions? How do you go from millions, to hundreds of thousands, to thousands, to a few hundred to one ... with everybody seeing the numbers and knowing the direction?

You do it by the thousands, tens of thousands, year after year after year ... by putting off any real action for years ... decades ... until you get to ... the end.

Despite your rabid partisanship, this goes beyond Trump.

BTW, we have zero influence over education in China.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:03 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Trump is anti-environment, but Obama was just as bad when it came to this. I don't see any big amount of progress during his administration - do you?

Do you ever wonder how you can get to one aged rhino, the last of its species, when you start with millions? How do you go from millions, to hundreds of thousands, to thousands, to a few hundred to one ... with everybody seeing the numbers and knowing the direction?

You do it by the thousands, tens of thousands, year after year after year ... by putting off any real action for years ... decades ... until you get to ... the end.

Despite your rabid partisanship, this goes beyond Trump.

BTW, we have zero influence over education in China.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

I don't recall any hunting at Trump Tower, nor him carousing around Hunt farms. If somebody gets his daughter to visit the cute elephants, I'm not certain he wouldn't jump on the right side of this. He could surprise some people, just like he's been surprising everybody else.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

bump

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is so depressing.

The people who poach ivory ... THEY'RE not poor.

The African nations themselves say that they want to conserve their wildlife. I'm not sure if the problem is lack of funding, or if bribes open the way to exported illegal ivory.

I guess one solution would be to make living elephants more valuable than dead ones. Pay the nations for each living elephant, or pay them to show demonstrable progress in increasing their elephant herds.

Also, interdict the ivory shipments, if possible.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:13 PM

WHOZIT

I love elephants, they taste great

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Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I heard that 96 elephants are killed each day for their Ivory.

Is this stat accurate? It doesn't seem correct.

If host countries refuse to enforce rules against Extinction, can UN work toward a solution? Hunt down poachers, Killers?

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