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Friday, May 11, 2018 3:02 AM

SIGNYM

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On Wednesday we reported on an intense battle playing out between House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (D-CA), the Department of Justice, and the Mueller investigation concerning a cache of intelligence that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refuses to hand over - a request he equated to "extortion."

On Tuesday, the Washington Post reported that Nunes was denied access to the information on the grounds that it "could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI."

After the White House caved to Rosenstein and Nunes was barred from seeing the documents, it also emerged that this same intelligence had already been shared with Special Counsel Robert Mueller as part of his investigation into alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 US election.

On Wednesday afternoon, however, news emerged that Nunes and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) would receive a classified Thursday briefing at the DOJ on the documents. This is, to put it lightly, incredibly significant.

Why? Because it appears that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In a bombshell op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Kimberly Strassel shares a few key insights about recent developments. Perhaps we should start with the ending and let you take it from there. Needless to say Strassel's claims, if true, would have wide ranging implications for the CIA, FBI, DOJ and former Obama administration officials.

Strassel concludes:

"I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it."

Authored by Kimberley Strassel, op-ed via The Wall Street Journal,

About That FBI ‘Source’

Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?

The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?
And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-10/wsj-fbi-hid-mole-trump-campa
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If you have a subscription to the WSJ you can read it here https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

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Friday, May 11, 2018 3:46 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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On Wednesday we reported on an intense battle playing out between House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (D-CA), the Department of Justice, and the Mueller investigation concerning a cache of intelligence that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refuses to hand over - a request he equated to "extortion."

On Tuesday, the Washington Post reported that Nunes was denied access to the information on the grounds that it "could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI."

After the White House caved to Rosenstein and Nunes was barred from seeing the documents, it also emerged that this same intelligence had already been shared with Special Counsel Robert Mueller as part of his investigation into alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 US election.

On Wednesday afternoon, however, news emerged that Nunes and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) would receive a classified Thursday briefing at the DOJ on the documents. This is, to put it lightly, incredibly significant.

Why? Because it appears that the FBI may have had a mole embedded in the Trump campaign.

In a bombshell op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Kimberly Strassel shares a few key insights about recent developments. Perhaps we should start with the ending and let you take it from there. Needless to say Strassel's claims, if true, would have wide ranging implications for the CIA, FBI, DOJ and former Obama administration officials.

Strassel concludes:

"I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it."

Authored by Kimberley Strassel, op-ed via The Wall Street Journal,

About That FBI ‘Source’

Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?

The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?
And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-10/wsj-fbi-hid-mole-trump-campa
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If you have a subscription to the WSJ you can read it here https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

Thanks for posting the linky, I wasn't able to get to it yet.
I don't think Nunes is D-CA. More like R-CA. Shifty Schiff is D-CA.

I didn't even hear about Kim Stassel in on the story. She is always awesome.

I am shocked, just shocked I say, that Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok, Lynch, Clapper didn't place a SPY in Hilliary's campaign. Shocked, I say.


FBI is running out of justification to not be disbanded.

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Friday, May 11, 2018 11:22 AM

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You guys know there's an FBI mole on this board, right? I thought everyone knew...

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Friday, May 11, 2018 11:28 AM

SIGNYM

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FBI is running out of justification to not be disbanded.- JSF
So is the DOJ.

Here's a question that needs to be asked:

If it is true that the FBI placed a spy in the Trump campaign, and that the NSA listened in on Team Trump conversations ... Why all this dancing around by Mueller?

You would think by now that he would have ALL of the evidence that he needs, instead of persecuting Team Trump members on irrelevant (and for all I know, phony) charges to squeeze them, and bringing an unverifiable "dossier" into the "investigation" which was cooked up by the same people who said Iraq WMD was a "slam dunk".

So either he has
a) No evidence against Trump or his campaign team, or
b) The evidence was obtained ILLEGALLY, and he is trying to create a pathway to the same evidence which is admissible in court.

Either way, he stinks.


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Friday, May 11, 2018 7:09 PM

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Kim Stassel will be on The Mark Levin Radio Show in 20 minutes.

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Friday, May 11, 2018 8:33 PM

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FBI is running out of justification to not be disbanded.- JSF
So is the DOJ.

Here's a question that needs to be asked: ...



... who does the work those 135,000 people are doing now once they are let go?

Hey JSF - you shouldn't toy with SIGGY like that and get her hopes up. She'd love to see the US Gov "disbanded." Probably gives her goose bumps.

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Friday, May 11, 2018 9:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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FBI is running out of justification to not be disbanded.- JSF
So is the DOJ.

Here's a question that needs to be asked: ...

... who does the work those 135,000 people are doing now once they are let go?

Hey JSF - you shouldn't toy with SIGGY like that and get her hopes up. She'd love to see the US Gov "disbanded." Probably gives her goose bumps.

The 135,000 crimes they commit every day can cease, thereby reducing the workload of real Law Enforcement.

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Friday, May 11, 2018 10:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Note that this is "alleged", but if anti-trump poster can throw around allegations willy-nilly, so can I.
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Brennan, Strzok And Kerry Allegedly Set "Spy Traps" For Trump Team; Hunt For FBI Mole Intensifies

Yesterday we reported on a disturbing op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by Kimberly Strassel suggesting the FBI had a mole within the Trump campaign.

After a battle between House Intel Committee Chair Devin Nunes (R-CA) and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein over the release of classified information that was so top-secret that the DOJ refused to show Nunes on the grounds that it "could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI" - the agency finally relented on Wednesday, allowing Nunes and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) to receive a classified briefing.

Nunes reportedly has some deep contacts in the intelligence agencies where he hears what to probe and who to ask. Gowdy, I've heard him question people, and you can tell he has a prosecutorial background, he doesn't waste time grandstanding he probes for weakness and lies.

Quote:

This U.S. citizen, according the WSJ report, is a spy that the FBI embedded in the Trump campaign - and Strassel says she knows who it is but won't say.

"I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it."

In February, The Last Refuge reported that Trump campaign advisor Carter Page was working as an "under-cover employee" (UCE) for the FBI - helping the agency build a case against "Evgeny Buryakov," Then - seven months later, the FBI told a FISA court [Carter] Page was a spy.

In April 2017, writing a story about Carter Page (trying to enhance/affirm the Russian narrative), the New York Times outlined Page’s connections to the Trump campaign. However, New York Times also references Page’s prior connection to the Buryakov case. If you ignore the narrative, you discover the UCE1 description is Carter Page.

When asked over Twitter by OANN's Jack Posobiec whether it was him, Page denied the charge - replying "But if what I'm hearing alleged is correct, it's a guy I know who splits most his time between inside the Beltway and in one of the other Five Eyes countries," adding "And if so, it'd be typical: swamp creatures putting themselves first."

Another person of interest is Stefan Halper, a foreign policy expert and Cambridge professor who is connected to the CIA and its British counterpart, MI6. Halper set up a February, 2016 meeting between Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos and former Australian High Commissioner (and Clinton pal) Alexander Downer. Downer's tip to Australian authorities that Papadopoulos knew of hacked emails which would be harmful to Hillary Clinton was a major factor in the FBI's decision to launch its counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign.

Halper had several other contacts with Trump campaign officials, as the Daily Caller's Chuck Ross reported in March.

Halper’s September 2016 outreach to Papadopoulos wasn’t his only contact with Trump campaign members. The 73-year-old professor, a veteran of three Republican administrations, met with two other campaign advisers, The Daily Caller News Foundation learned. -Daily Caller

Interestingly, The New York Post's Paul Sperry points out that Stefan Halper's Wikipedia page had been updated to include "He has been exposed as a CIA and M-16 spy behind the FBI Russiagate investigations of the Trump Campaign and is an informant to the Mueller Special Prosecutor investigation" - an addition which was quickly deleted.

Perhaps Page and Halper are connected through London-based Hakluyt & Co. - founded by three former British intelligence operatives in 1995 to provide the kind of otherwise inaccessible research for which select governments and Fortune 500 corporations pay huge sums.

Interestingly, Alexander Downer has been on their advisory board for a decade, while Halper is connected to Hakluyt through Jonathan Clarke, with whom he has co-authored two books. You can find a June 2004 video of the pair discussing their first book here. (h/t themarketswork.com)

Jonathan Clarke is the U.S. Representative – Director U.S. Operations for Hakluyt. Clarke is a fairly public figure – but it was quite difficult to locate references to his association with Hakluyt.

Given the lengthy association between Halper and Clarke, I expect we will find additional ties between Halper, other members of Hakluyt and members of British Intelligence.

Halper’s association with former MI6 Head Richard Dearlove – via their previous positions at Cambridge Intelligence Seminar – is already known. -Themarketswork.com


Here's Posobiec's take on the FBI mole situation and Hakluyt. In short "Page got played" and the rabbit hole appears to be very deep...

Paul Sperry made another titillating tweet Friday morning, in which he writes:

"DEVELOPING: A major new front is opening in the political espionage scandal. In summer 2016, Brennan with his FBI liaison Strzok, along with help from Kerry @ State, were trying to set Russian espionage traps for minor players in the Trump campaign through cultivated intel assets"]

As we reported in March, Nunes and the House Intelligence Committee was investigating the Obama State Department under John Kerry for its involvement in the dissemination of the unverified "Steele Dossier," along with a second anti-Trump dossier written by Clinton confidant Cody Shearer. Nunes referred to this as "Phase 2" of his committee's probe into Russian influence in the 2016 US election.

Nunes is also investigating whether former CIA director John Brennan perjured himself* during Congressional testimony about the Steele Dossier. As Paul Sperry wrote in February:

Brennan has already lied in the past. Like I said, they're paid to lie.

Quote:

In his May 2017 testimony before the intelligence panel, Brennan emphatically denied the dossier factored into the intelligence community’s publicly released conclusion last year that Russia meddled in the 2016 election “to help Trump’s chances of victory.”

Brennan also swore that he did not know who commissioned the anti-Trump research document (excerpt here), even though senior national security and counterintelligence officials at the Justice Department and FBI knew the previous year that the dossier was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. -RealClear Investigations


So, if Sperry's tweet is correct, the Obama State department, CIA, and FBI conspired to set "Russian espionage traps" for minor players in the Trump campaign, and the FBI had a mole within the Trump campaign, that giant sucking sound you might hear is nothing short of the US Intelligence community starting to implode.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-11/brennan-strzok-and-kerry-all
egedly-set-espionage-traps-trump-team-hunt-fbi-mole


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Saturday, May 12, 2018 7:25 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Note that this is "alleged", but if anti-trump poster can throw around allegations willy-nilly, so can I.
Quote:

Brennan, Strzok And Kerry Allegedly Set "Spy Traps" For Trump Team; Hunt For FBI Mole Intensifies

Yesterday we reported on a disturbing op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by Kimberly Strassel suggesting the FBI had a mole within the Trump campaign.

After a battle between House Intel Committee Chair Devin Nunes (R-CA) and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein over the release of classified information that was so top-secret that the DOJ refused to show Nunes on the grounds that it "could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI" - the agency finally relented on Wednesday, allowing Nunes and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) to receive a classified briefing.

Nunes reportedly has some deep contacts in the intelligence agencies where he hears what to probe and who to ask. Gowdy, I've heard him question people, and you can tell he has a prosecutorial background, he doesn't waste time grandstanding he probes for weakness and lies.

Quote:

This U.S. citizen, according the WSJ report, is a spy that the FBI embedded in the Trump campaign - and Strassel says she knows who it is but won't say.

"I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it."

In February, The Last Refuge reported that Trump campaign advisor Carter Page was working as an "under-cover employee" (UCE) for the FBI - helping the agency build a case against "Evgeny Buryakov," Then - seven months later, the FBI told a FISA court [Carter] Page was a spy.

In April 2017, writing a story about Carter Page (trying to enhance/affirm the Russian narrative), the New York Times outlined Page’s connections to the Trump campaign. However, New York Times also references Page’s prior connection to the Buryakov case. If you ignore the narrative, you discover the UCE1 description is Carter Page.

When asked over Twitter by OANN's Jack Posobiec whether it was him, Page denied the charge - replying "But if what I'm hearing alleged is correct, it's a guy I know who splits most his time between inside the Beltway and in one of the other Five Eyes countries," adding "And if so, it'd be typical: swamp creatures putting themselves first."

Another person of interest is Stefan Halper, a foreign policy expert and Cambridge professor who is connected to the CIA and its British counterpart, MI6. Halper set up a February, 2016 meeting between Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos and former Australian High Commissioner (and Clinton pal) Alexander Downer. Downer's tip to Australian authorities that Papadopoulos knew of hacked emails which would be harmful to Hillary Clinton was a major factor in the FBI's decision to launch its counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign.

Halper had several other contacts with Trump campaign officials, as the Daily Caller's Chuck Ross reported in March.

Halper’s September 2016 outreach to Papadopoulos wasn’t his only contact with Trump campaign members. The 73-year-old professor, a veteran of three Republican administrations, met with two other campaign advisers, The Daily Caller News Foundation learned. -Daily Caller

Interestingly, The New York Post's Paul Sperry points out that Stefan Halper's Wikipedia page had been updated to include "He has been exposed as a CIA and M-16 spy behind the FBI Russiagate investigations of the Trump Campaign and is an informant to the Mueller Special Prosecutor investigation" - an addition which was quickly deleted.

Perhaps Page and Halper are connected through London-based Hakluyt & Co. - founded by three former British intelligence operatives in 1995 to provide the kind of otherwise inaccessible research for which select governments and Fortune 500 corporations pay huge sums.

Interestingly, Alexander Downer has been on their advisory board for a decade, while Halper is connected to Hakluyt through Jonathan Clarke, with whom he has co-authored two books. You can find a June 2004 video of the pair discussing their first book here. (h/t themarketswork.com)

Jonathan Clarke is the U.S. Representative – Director U.S. Operations for Hakluyt. Clarke is a fairly public figure – but it was quite difficult to locate references to his association with Hakluyt.

Given the lengthy association between Halper and Clarke, I expect we will find additional ties between Halper, other members of Hakluyt and members of British Intelligence.

Halper’s association with former MI6 Head Richard Dearlove – via their previous positions at Cambridge Intelligence Seminar – is already known. -Themarketswork.com


Here's Posobiec's take on the FBI mole situation and Hakluyt. In short "Page got played" and the rabbit hole appears to be very deep...

Paul Sperry made another titillating tweet Friday morning, in which he writes:

"DEVELOPING: A major new front is opening in the political espionage scandal. In summer 2016, Brennan with his FBI liaison Strzok, along with help from Kerry @ State, were trying to set Russian espionage traps for minor players in the Trump campaign through cultivated intel assets"]

As we reported in March, Nunes and the House Intelligence Committee was investigating the Obama State Department under John Kerry for its involvement in the dissemination of the unverified "Steele Dossier," along with a second anti-Trump dossier written by Clinton confidant Cody Shearer. Nunes referred to this as "Phase 2" of his committee's probe into Russian influence in the 2016 US election.

Nunes is also investigating whether former CIA director John Brennan perjured himself* during Congressional testimony about the Steele Dossier. As Paul Sperry wrote in February:

Brennan has already lied in the past. Like I said, they're paid to lie.

Quote:

In his May 2017 testimony before the intelligence panel, Brennan emphatically denied the dossier factored into the intelligence community’s publicly released conclusion last year that Russia meddled in the 2016 election “to help Trump’s chances of victory.”

Brennan also swore that he did not know who commissioned the anti-Trump research document (excerpt here), even though senior national security and counterintelligence officials at the Justice Department and FBI knew the previous year that the dossier was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. -RealClear Investigations


So, if Sperry's tweet is correct, the Obama State department, CIA, and FBI conspired to set "Russian espionage traps" for minor players in the Trump campaign, and the FBI had a mole within the Trump campaign, that giant sucking sound you might hear is nothing short of the US Intelligence community starting to implode.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-11/brennan-strzok-and-kerry-all
egedly-set-espionage-traps-trump-team-hunt-fbi-mole


This can't possibly be true. If they really spent all this effort and time on this fraudulent activity, how could Hilliary ever be adequately Investiga....oh.

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Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:47 AM

WHOZIT


When the I.G. report comes out the swamp is going to wish they didn't demand the investigation into Russia, ALL of this is going to blow back on them. Trump and others are going to end up looking like the victems of a witch hunt...which they are. The swamp scum won't be able to spin this, they're going to have to circle the wagons, they've picked a fight with a guy who loves to get into fights.

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Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:08 PM

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You guys know there's an FBI mole on this board, right? I thought everyone knew...



I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

JJ



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Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.



Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

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Saturday, May 12, 2018 7:33 PM

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Quote:

19 cats>dogs


FAKE NEWS

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:52 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Speaking of the ultimate twit:

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:
1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.

4 - you seem clueless enough to have not heard of 9/11. After the Twin Towers were felled in 2001, it was a bit shocking for Americans to watch video of Afghanis dancing and chanting in the streets in celebration. A week or so later I got my copy of a men's mag in the mail. It had been edited weeks earlier, and had stories from June or July. One was about Afghanis dying from TVs landing on their heads. Across the land, all Imans had decreed that everybody must rid themselves of their TV, so they were thrown out the window. The Imams did not want any news to infiltrate their congregations, so that the sole source for content and Spin was the Islamic clerics. In the Land of Free Speech, Free Press, Free Market, Free Enterprise, Liberty, if you actually choose to avoid actual news in favor of your Fake News of choice, you should just be shipped straight to Afghanistan - you don't have enough brain to exist in a Free World, it overwhelms your tiny intellect.

9 - have you convinced Teddly Kennedy and John Kerry to register as Foreign Agents? If not, STFU.

26 - then why did your Preezy put an end to it?

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:04 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Speaking of the ultimate twit:

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:
1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.

4 - you seem clueless enough to have not heard of 9/11. After the Twin Towers were felled in 2001, it was a bit shocking for Americans to watch video of Afghanis dancing and chanting in the streets in celebration. A week or so later I got my copy of a men's mag in the mail. It had been edited weeks earlier, and had stories from June or July. One was about Afghanis dying from TVs landing on their heads. Across the land, all Imans had decreed that everybody must rid themselves of their TV, so they were thrown out the window. The Imams did not want any news to infiltrate their congregations, so that the sole source for content and Spin was the Islamic clerics. In the Land of Free Speech, Free Press, Free Market, Free Enterprise, Liberty, if you actually choose to avoid actual news in favor of your Fake News of choice, you should just be shipped straight to Afghanistan - you don't have enough brain to exist in a Free World, it overwhelms your tiny intellect.

9 - have you convinced Teddly Kennedy and John Kerry to register as Foreign Agents? If not, STFU.

26 - then why did your Preezy put an end to it?



Yes, speaking of the ultimate twit ... hey JSF, that's not my list, someone else posted it on Twitter and I'm just reposting it here.

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:24 PM

JJ


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.



Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.



A fun read G.

JJ



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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... hey JSF, that's not my list, someone else posted it on Twitter and I'm just reposting it here.'

Yes, you're reposting it here, but not because you agree with it, or follow the bird-brain on twitter, or anything.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... hey JSF, that's not my list, someone else posted it on Twitter and I'm just reposting it here.'

Yes, you're reposting it here, but not because you agree with it, or follow the bird-brain on twitter, or anything.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

I may have been too subtle. I had referred to the original twit poster on twit, plus the twit reposting here.
I did not expect that you would be the only one capable of comprehension, but upon reflection I probably should have conjured it would be above and beyond some here.

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Monday, May 14, 2018 9:57 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... hey JSF, that's not my list, someone else posted it on Twitter and I'm just reposting it here.'

Yes, you're reposting it here, but not because you agree with it, or follow the bird-brain on twitter, or anything.




I don't agree with it completely - Jack points to one in particular, cat v. dog. And so what if I follow her on Twitter? Have you read all of her tweets? Do you know anything more about her than that one, somewhat amusing tweet?

Why are you such an angry snot ALL the time? Give it a rest already.

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Monday, May 14, 2018 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge. - THUGR aka JJ


I see GSTRING is posting fake facts from Twitter.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Monday, May 14, 2018 11:42 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge. - THUGR aka JJ


I see GSTRING is posting fake facts from Twitter.




I didn't pass anything off as a fact, ya lame-o. I said, "an amusing list" and even said "I don't agree with it completely."

So touchy when anyone criticizes Zerohedge or Russia - you so very Trumpy.

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Monday, May 14, 2018 2:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.


Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

Still not seeing the part with "I don't agree with this"

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Monday, May 14, 2018 2:56 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.


Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

Still not seeing the part with "I don't agree with this"



Maybe you should try reading people's posts?

"I don't agree with it completely - Jack points to one in particular, cat v. dog."

Scroll up - it's right there - do you see it?

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Monday, May 14, 2018 7:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, as much as GSTRING would prolly like to drag this post off-topic, the story is still evolving

Quote:

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
Judge T.S. Ellis has expressed skepticism about the scope of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. “What we don’t want in this country is . . . anyone with unfettered power,” Judge Ellis, who is to preside over the trial of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, told prosecutor Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben May 4. “So it’s unlikely you’re going to persuade me that the special prosecutor has unlimited powers.”

Judge Ellis is right to be skeptical. Mr. Mueller’s investigation has crossed a constitutional line, for reasons the U.S. Supreme Court made clear in the 1988 case Morrison v. Olson. That case is best known for Justice Antonin Scalia’s powerful lone dissent arguing that the post-Watergate independent counsel statute was unconstitutional. But Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s opinion for the court, while upholding the statute, set forth limits that the Mueller investigation has exceeded.

At issue is the Constitution’s Appointments Clause, which provides that “principal officers” must be appointed by the president with the Senate’s consent. Rehnquist wrote that independent counsel Alexia Morrison qualified as an “inferior officer,” not subject to the appointment process, because her office was “limited in jurisdiction” to “certain federal officials suspected of certain serious federal crimes.”

Mr. Mueller, in contrast, is investigating a large number of people and has already charged defendants with many different kinds of crimes, including—as in Mr. Manafort’s case—ones unrelated to any collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia. That’s too much power for an inferior officer to have. Only a principal officer, such as a U.S. attorney, can behave the way Mr. Mueller is behaving. Mr. Mueller is much more powerful today than any of the 96 U.S. attorneys. He is behaving like a principal officer.

Rehnquist’s majority opinion has never been overturned. In Edmund v. U.S. and in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Oversight Board, the justices said that an officer cannot be inferior unless he has a boss—as Mr. Mueller does in Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed him. But that’s not a sufficient condition. As a principal officer, Mr. Rosenstein could legally have brought all the indictments Mr. Mueller has. But he may not delegate that authority to Mr. Mueller, any more than President Trump could delegate his veto power to Mr. Rosenstein.

The Framers struggled long and hard over the Appointments Clause. For better or worse, they arrived at the process of presidential nomination with senatorial consent. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel should confirm the analysis set forth above in a legal opinion to guide Mr. Rosenstein in the exercise of his duties. Judge Ellis should dismiss the indictment against Mr. Manafort on Appointments Clause grounds. All other defendants Mr. Mueller charges, and witnesses he subpoenas, should challenge the constitutionality of his actions on Appointments Clause grounds.

If you have a subscription to WSJ you can read it there.

Originally posted at

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-14/its-unconstitutional-mueller
s-investigation-crosses-legal-line

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Monday, May 14, 2018 9:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

Still not seeing the part with "I don't agree with this"

Maybe you should try reading people's posts?

Scroll up - it's right there - do you see it?

Maybe you could try pointing it out?
Which line of your post with your list is your "I don't agree with this"? Is it one of the numbered items 1-33? Or is it one of the 2 lines before #1? Or are you lying? Or stupid?

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Monday, May 14, 2018 10:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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He's on Team Dog with me.

Me and G are in agreement that number 19 is Fake News.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 14, 2018 11:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


interesting

I was wondering how it was that Mueller could conduct such an unfettered inquisitio, fishing expedit investigation.

I've been trying to analogize to what I remember of Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr.

It seems that the same restrictions that apply to Mueller now should have applied to Starr then, when he was persecutio investigating Clinton in 1994. If a good case is made now that Mueller is acting outside of his mandate, I don't know why that argument wasn't made then about Starr. (I'm not a fan of Clinton as more and more of his actions have borne fruit. I make the comparison because I'm confused by the discrepancy.)


Quote:

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
Judge T.S. Ellis has expressed skepticism about the scope of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. “What we don’t want in this country is . . . anyone with unfettered power,” Judge Ellis, who is to preside over the trial of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, told prosecutor Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben May 4. “So it’s unlikely you’re going to persuade me that the special prosecutor has unlimited powers.”

Judge Ellis is right to be skeptical. Mr. Mueller’s investigation has crossed a constitutional line, for reasons the U.S. Supreme Court made clear in the 1988 case Morrison v. Olson. That case is best known for Justice Antonin Scalia’s powerful lone dissent arguing that the post-Watergate independent counsel statute was unconstitutional. But Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s opinion for the court, while upholding the statute, set forth limits that the Mueller investigation has exceeded.

At issue is the Constitution’s Appointments Clause, which provides that “principal officers” must be appointed by the president with the Senate’s consent. Rehnquist wrote that independent counsel Alexia Morrison qualified as an “inferior officer,” not subject to the appointment process, because her office was “limited in jurisdiction” to “certain federal officials suspected of certain serious federal crimes.”

Mr. Mueller, in contrast, is investigating a large number of people and has already charged defendants with many different kinds of crimes, including—as in Mr. Manafort’s case—ones unrelated to any collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia. That’s too much power for an inferior officer to have. Only a principal officer, such as a U.S. attorney, can behave the way Mr. Mueller is behaving. Mr. Mueller is much more powerful today than any of the 96 U.S. attorneys. He is behaving like a principal officer.

Rehnquist’s majority opinion has never been overturned. In Edmund v. U.S. and in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Oversight Board, the justices said that an officer cannot be inferior unless he has a boss—as Mr. Mueller does in Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed him. But that’s not a sufficient condition. As a principal officer, Mr. Rosenstein could legally have brought all the indictments Mr. Mueller has. But he may not delegate that authority to Mr. Mueller, any more than President Trump could delegate his veto power to Mr. Rosenstein.

The Framers struggled long and hard over the Appointments Clause. For better or worse, they arrived at the process of presidential nomination with senatorial consent. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel should confirm the analysis set forth above in a legal opinion to guide Mr. Rosenstein in the exercise of his duties. Judge Ellis should dismiss the indictment against Mr. Manafort on Appointments Clause grounds. All other defendants Mr. Mueller charges, and witnesses he subpoenas, should challenge the constitutionality of his actions on Appointments Clause grounds.

If you have a subscription to WSJ you can read it there.

Originally posted at

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-14/its-unconstitutional-mueller
s-investigation-crosses-legal-line





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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:05 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
interesting

I was wondering how it was that Mueller could conduct such an unfettered inquisitio, fishing expedit investigation.

I've been trying to analogize to what I remember of Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr.

It seems that the same restrictions that apply to Mueller now should have applied to Starr then, when he was persecutio investigating Clinton in 1994. If a good case is made now that Mueller is acting outside of his mandate, I don't know why that argument wasn't made then about Starr. (I'm not a fan of Clinton as more and more of his actions have borne fruit. I make the comparison because I'm confused by the discrepancy.)
Quote:

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
Judge T.S. Ellis has expressed skepticism about the scope of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. “What we don’t want in this country is . . . anyone with unfettered power,” Judge Ellis, who is to preside over the trial of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, told prosecutor Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben May 4. “So it’s unlikely you’re going to persuade me that the special prosecutor has unlimited powers.”

Judge Ellis is right to be skeptical. Mr. Mueller’s investigation has crossed a constitutional line, for reasons the U.S. Supreme Court made clear in the 1988 case Morrison v. Olson. That case is best known for Justice Antonin Scalia’s powerful lone dissent arguing that the post-Watergate independent counsel statute was unconstitutional. But Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s opinion for the court, while upholding the statute, set forth limits that the Mueller investigation has exceeded.

At issue is the Constitution’s Appointments Clause, which provides that “principal officers” must be appointed by the president with the Senate’s consent. Rehnquist wrote that independent counsel Alexia Morrison qualified as an “inferior officer,” not subject to the appointment process, because her office was “limited in jurisdiction” to “certain federal officials suspected of certain serious federal crimes.”

Mr. Mueller, in contrast, is investigating a large number of people and has already charged defendants with many different kinds of crimes, including—as in Mr. Manafort’s case—ones unrelated to any collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia. That’s too much power for an inferior officer to have. Only a principal officer, such as a U.S. attorney, can behave the way Mr. Mueller is behaving. Mr. Mueller is much more powerful today than any of the 96 U.S. attorneys. He is behaving like a principal officer.

Rehnquist’s majority opinion has never been overturned. In Edmund v. U.S. and in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Oversight Board, the justices said that an officer cannot be inferior unless he has a boss—as Mr. Mueller does in Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed him. But that’s not a sufficient condition. As a principal officer, Mr. Rosenstein could legally have brought all the indictments Mr. Mueller has. But he may not delegate that authority to Mr. Mueller, any more than President Trump could delegate his veto power to Mr. Rosenstein.

The Framers struggled long and hard over the Appointments Clause. For better or worse, they arrived at the process of presidential nomination with senatorial consent. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel should confirm the analysis set forth above in a legal opinion to guide Mr. Rosenstein in the exercise of his duties. Judge Ellis should dismiss the indictment against Mr. Manafort on Appointments Clause grounds. All other defendants Mr. Mueller charges, and witnesses he subpoenas, should challenge the constitutionality of his actions on Appointments Clause grounds.

If you have a subscription to WSJ you can read it there.

Originally posted at

WSJ: "Mueller’s Investigation Crosses the Legal Line"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-14/its-unconstitutional-mueller
s-investigation-crosses-legal-line


SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

Ken Starr was Independent Counsel. Mueller is Special Counsel. They are created and operated under completely different laws. This was a huge point of contention when everybody was trying to avoid the mess we have now, but McConnell refused all sense.

Mueller's boss is Rosenstein. The power and authority which can be selectively delegated from Trump to Sessions to Rosenstein, but not to Mueller. The Congress has Review and Oversight authority due to FBI and DoJ being creations of Congress.
IIRC Starr was appointed by Congress, not DoJ.
Hope that helps.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 4:06 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OK. THANKS.

That helps make sense of it. Not that your explanation was bad, but the situation seems convoluted.




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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:24 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

Still not seeing the part with "I don't agree with this"

Maybe you should try reading people's posts?

Scroll up - it's right there - do you see it?

Maybe you could try pointing it out?
Which line of your post with your list is your "I don't agree with this"? Is it one of the numbered items 1-33? Or is it one of the 2 lines before #1? Or are you lying? Or stupid?



Are you really so needy that you don't know how to search a web page for matching text? Trouble is, you have the quote wrong (naturally) - your attention to detail is a problem.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.

Still not seeing the part with "I don't agree with this"

Maybe you should try reading people's posts?

Scroll up - it's right there - do you see it?

Maybe you could try pointing it out?
Which line of your post with your list is your "I don't agree with this"? Is it one of the numbered items 1-33? Or is it one of the 2 lines before #1? Or are you lying? Or stupid?

Are you really so needy that you don't know how to search a web page for matching text? Trouble is, you have the quote wrong (naturally) - your attention to detail is a problem.

I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 3:39 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.



Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too. If you are searching for the wrong text (not my fault) you obviously won't find the right one.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 4:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too.

Those words are also not present in your post where you reposted the twit. To help you emerge from your fog, I even pointed out the day and time of your post.

At this point, it sounds like you are admitting that you lied.

And that kiki was accurate to point out your hypocrisy.
And that Siggy was accurate to point out that you were posting more Fake News and lies from Twitter.

Glad that is all settled, now that you have admitted that you lied.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:29 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too.

Those words are also not present in your post where you reposted the twit. To help you emerge from your fog, I even pointed out the day and time of your post.

At this point, it sounds like you are admitting that you lied.

And that kiki was accurate to point out your hypocrisy.
And that Siggy was accurate to point out that you were posting more Fake News and lies from Twitter.

Glad that is all settled, now that you have admitted that you lied.



Did you search for those exact words?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too.

Those words are also not present in your post where you reposted the twit. To help you emerge from your fog, I even pointed out the day and time of your post.

At this point, it sounds like you are admitting that you lied.

And that kiki was accurate to point out your hypocrisy.
And that Siggy was accurate to point out that you were posting more Fake News and lies from Twitter.

Glad that is all settled, now that you have admitted that you lied.



Did you search for those exact words?

Yep. So you are still admitting that you lied? Good that we wrapped this up.

OR, you could point out in thoe following collection of words of your post where you said that, you could highlight them with color or bold:

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.


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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:48 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too.

Those words are also not present in your post where you reposted the twit. To help you emerge from your fog, I even pointed out the day and time of your post.

At this point, it sounds like you are admitting that you lied.

And that kiki was accurate to point out your hypocrisy.
And that Siggy was accurate to point out that you were posting more Fake News and lies from Twitter.

Glad that is all settled, now that you have admitted that you lied.



Did you search for those exact words?

Yep.



In this thread? With which quote - the wrong one of the right one? Try again - they're there.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I used the comparison text "I don't agree with" and confirmed it was not in your post with the twit repost.
Some of us can read quite easily, that list was not an opus. I already pulled your full post, all 33 items in the list, and ran a text comparison - was not there.
Searching the world interwebs for somebody who said those words on some site on some day or hour is an example of your ADHD and your failed attention to detail.
They have meds for that - or did you just forget to take them?

Your post of 1725 ET on 12 May does not include any disclaimer, let alone those words.

Did you read my post where I said: "Trouble is, you have the quote wrong." You can search for that too.

Those words are also not present in your post where you reposted the twit. To help you emerge from your fog, I even pointed out the day and time of your post.

At this point, it sounds like you are admitting that you lied.

And that kiki was accurate to point out your hypocrisy.
And that Siggy was accurate to point out that you were posting more Fake News and lies from Twitter.

Glad that is all settled, now that you have admitted that you lied.



Did you search for those exact words?

Yep. So you are still admitting that you lied? Good that we wrapped this up.

OR, you could point out in thoe following collection of words of your post where you said that, you could highlight them with color or bold:

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:I see sig is still posting fake news from zerohedge.

Hey T, an amusing tweet post from a user I like to follow.

Let's be clear about some stuff, because, 2018:

1- Assange is not a hero.
2- Snowden is not a whistleblower.
3- Wikileaks does not care about the freedom of information unless Russian intelligence wants it to be free.
4- stop reading zerohedge, people. For the love of God. /1
5- understand what the narrative purpose of certain journalistic outlets is. Who is the enemy they define. What is the system of rules they respect. Or not. What does it want you to believe.
6- money from the Kremlin or Putin's cronies always -- ALWAYS -- comes with strings.
7- Vekselberg was not "trying to get back into Putin's good graces." Vekselberg has spent significant treasure to enhance Russian soft power, and he is critical to tech investments that have given the Kremlin new capabilities.
8- MULL-er. Not MEWL-er.
9- it is, in fact, a really big deal not to register as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent. Think about what that means.
10- the "reset" was a cascading disaster that continues to ripple outward, and anyone denying that it gave Putin an open battlefield that helped his acquire capabilities and positioning to attack the United States is delusional. Reminder: before Crimea was Georgia.
11- Irish whiskey > rye > Swedish/Icelandic/Japanese > bourbon > Jack > Scotch. Yeah I said it.
12- Chacha isn't Georgian cognac; it's Georgian tequila. Watch out.
13- any hour of the day, bubbly is appropriate.
14- front porch drinking > back porch drinking
15- cholula isn't hot sauce.
16- you should know what parov stelar means.
17- people who can't laugh at themselves = useless.
18- there still isn't any clean money from the Kremlin. No self-PR can fix that.
19- cats > dogs
20- gin smells like sin the next day; whiskey, magic
21- a small almost-empty whiskey bottle is sad; a large almost-empty whiskey bottle is impressive and concerning at the same time.
22- tough on Putin does not mean congratulating him on being president for the 4th time -- twice.
22- whatever that little square cap/flap sleeve is that everyone is wearing on TV this season looks bad on all women, even the stunningly beautiful.
23- a traitor is still a traitor, and a lair is still a liar.
24- taco night is always awesome
23- I taught my nephew to say batsh*t, and I'm not sorry.
24- my tweeps are the best tweeps
25- my neighbors are the best neighbors because
26- Jupiter is amazing. We should be in space.
27- Guinness > other beer > whatever is left at the bottom of the fermentation barrel for Worcestershire sauce > IPA
28- pie is best for breakfast.
29- still waiting for the coffee robot.
30- I don't think any elected official has ever understood, or properly explained, the real issue w/ what happened in Benghazi.
31- the Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey will always be better than Fagles.
32- John Berman is the most underrated CNN anchor.
33- storytelling is important; people aren't as good at it as they think a lot of the time.


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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I wouldn't say G posted lies from twitter. He just posted a very long opinion list from somebody that has some humor mixed in with a lot of stuff I don't happen to agree with. It's just somebody expressing their misguided opinions online (IMAGINE THAT!!!).

I'm thinking that this person has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol as well, because a large part of the non-political items have to do with drinking.


I dunno man. Just saying that this is not something to lose your head over is all, JSF.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wouldn't say G posted lies from twitter.

Correct, you did not say the obvious. But kiki and Siggy did already point out his lies.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wouldn't say G posted lies from twitter.

Correct, you did not say the obvious. But kiki and Siggy did already point out his lies.



I'm making no observation about his overall character or posting history.

I'm saying that calling him a liar for sharing this post here, or for calling this person who tweeted this post a liar is inaccurate and it makes you come off as petty.

This was likely a tweet from a self-important, possibly alcoholic cat-lady that mixed her own political views with her own non-political opinions and some random humor. I'm sure the non-humorous parts of this post were things she actually believes, so she isn't lying either. In the case of the Snowden comment for example, the worst that could be said is that she's spreading disinformation that she actually believes, but she's talking to her own echo chamber anyhow so who cares?

This person is a threat to no-one. Chill man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Also, I happen to agree with her that people should stop reading zerohedge. But I bet she reads Vox and Motherjones and watches Buzzfeed videos too, so she should stop doing that as well since nobody should pay that fake news any mind either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Also, I happen to agree with her that people should stop reading zerohedge. But I bet she reads Vox and Motherjones and watches Buzzfeed videos too, so she should stop doing that as well since nobody should pay that fake news any mind either.

Oh, I get "fake news" from all sides! I read Zerohedge every day. I listen to NPR every day, because I have a radio in the kitchen and listen while I work. I listen to "Dave" of X22 almost every day. As the need arises, I might pop in to RT to see what the Russian government thinks we "need to know". Also check out Reuters, The Hill, and just way too many sources as topics arise. Even better, I know people who are waaay smarter than I am. Hubby, who know about weapons, computers, physics, economics, construction, woodworking, and motorcycle mechanics (and more). A Canadian friend who lived in Egypt AND Israel, Japan AND Nicaragua, who used to be a reporter, knows political economic history and who has contacts all over the world. A Canadian human rights lawyer and philosopher. A chemist who knows biology, chemistry, and medicine inside and out.

I myself... not so smart. But I have the benefit of knowing really smart people.


But here's the thing: GSTRING is simply trying the "derail" the topic with "humor". Yanno, like people posting cat videos in the middle of a discussion. Because the topic - that the FBI MIGHT HAVE engaged in entrapment or worse, like their old "COINTELPRO" programs, but with better technology - makes him uncomfortable.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:12 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wouldn't say G posted lies from twitter.

Correct, you did not say the obvious. But kiki and Siggy did already point out his lies.



What lies were those?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:17 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But here's the thing: GSTRING is simply trying the "derail" the topic with "humor". Yanno, like people posting cat videos in the middle of a discussion. Because the topic - that the FBI MIGHT HAVE engaged in entrapment or worse, like their old "COINTELPRO" programs, but with better technology - makes him uncomfortable.



You're right (if with incredibly transparent false modesty) you're not very smart. I posted that because the thread was slowing down and I was bored and most importantly: it had some humor which this dull as dirt forum sorely lacks.

Please, do continue with the *riveting*, obviously slanted what-if story of the suspicion of a mole in The Trump Campaign. I will expect 10 more posts from you since you say this is such an important, and vital thread that I dared to hijack with one post that you could have easily ignored.

If you must blame someone for "hijacking" your precious thread, make it JSF for his continued inability to find even the haystack.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Well I would say that if G's intention was to distract from and/or derail the thread than he succeeded 120%.

Best thing you guys and gals could do with that is to make a stupid joke about it like I did or just ignore it entirely. Instead, there's probably more posts regarding that tweet in this thread than the original topic now.


You may have noticed in the General discussion part of the site. I'm done taking Wishy's bait too. She's just going to argue about the same BS as always, with the same incorrect info she always has laced with her absolute hatred for anything white that has a penis. So I'm just going to point and laugh at her in the future when she does it.

I wouldn't have even posted in the thread, but she happened to bring my name up in a thread in a part of this site that I never even venture into, so I thought, why not make a few jokes at her expense since she obviously missed me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:12 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well I would say that if G's intention was to distract from and/or derail the thread than he succeeded 120%.



I literally told you what the reason was - you don't even have think, just read it. I guess I was asking too much from this crowd.


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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well I would say that if G's intention was to distract from and/or derail the thread than he succeeded 120%.



I literally told you what the reason was - you don't even have think, just read it. I guess I was asking too much from this crowd.




I was being sarcastic about that one, bub.

I'm the only idiot over here defending you. Get over your team-think mentality.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:11 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I was being sarcastic about that one, bub.

I'm the only idiot over here defending you. Get over your team-think mentality.




Really? You might want to add a sarcasm tag then 'cuz that sh*t is invisible.

Team- think? That's a new one - sounds very SJW-ish.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I was being sarcastic about that one, bub.

I'm the only idiot over here defending you. Get over your team-think mentality.




Really? You might want to add a sarcasm tag then 'cuz that sh*t is invisible.

Team- think? That's a new one - sounds very SJW-ish.



It's called context.

Read my previous posts about the issue.




HERE.

I'll make it easy for you.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wouldn't say G posted lies from twitter.

Correct, you did not say the obvious. But kiki and Siggy did already point out his lies.



I'm making no observation about his overall character or posting history.

I'm saying that calling him a liar for sharing this post here, or for calling this person who tweeted this post a liar is inaccurate and it makes you come off as petty.

This was likely a tweet from a self-important, possibly alcoholic cat-lady that mixed her own political views with her own non-political opinions and some random humor. I'm sure the non-humorous parts of this post were things she actually believes, so she isn't lying either. In the case of the Snowden comment for example, the worst that could be said is that she's spreading disinformation that she actually believes, but she's talking to her own echo chamber anyhow so who cares?

This person is a threat to no-one. Chill man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 4:25 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It's called context.

Read my previous posts about the issue.



I did - so was this also a joke?
"This was likely a tweet from a self-important, possibly alcoholic cat-lady..." seems like you meant both of them equally.

Who cares.

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