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Friday, October 20, 2017 8:01 PM

OONJERAH


My friend who's stranded there, with his kitty, is in Isabella.

On Facebook today, his son shared that they now have power there, & my
friend replied that both he & the kitty are fine.

The UP side of Trump disowning PR: just one more reason he ought not to
be president of anywhere, anything ... May a dark cloud hover over him.


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Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:47 PM

OONJERAH


Tesla makes quick work of Puerto Rico hospital solar power relief project
https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/24/tesla-makes-quick-work-of-puerto-ric
o-hospital-solar-power-relief-project
/

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk noted on Twitter that Tesla’s solar team could
indeed outfit Puerto Rico with power facilities that could be used
to generate and store power reserves when the existing grid isn’t
available, as it has been after the U.S. territory faced the devastation
of hurricane Maria."


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Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:50 PM

OONJERAH


Congress approves $36.5-billion disaster aid for Puerto Rico,
wildfires and hurricane relief

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washing
ton-updates-congress-approves-36-5-billion-1508860506-htmlstory.html


"Congress gave final passage Tuesday to $36.5 billion in disaster aid
for Puerto Rico and several states impacted by a particularly destructive
hurricane season.

"The package includes $576.5 million to address the devastating wildfires
in California and the West."


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:00 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Just so you know, Puerto Rico has issued a contract with a little-known power company with 2 employees.....Hmmmmm.....Oh and it happens to be in the same state as the Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke, actually in his hometown of Whitefish, what the attached report won't tell you is that he knows a relative or friend that works at that company - Whitefish.

Again, Hmmmmm!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Puerto+Rican+power+grid&view=
detail&mid=61DB1B1C1818952B37C161DB1B1C1818952B37C1&FORM=VIRE



SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Tesla makes quick work of Puerto Rico hospital solar power relief project
https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/24/tesla-makes-quick-work-of-puerto-ric
o-hospital-solar-power-relief-project
/

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk noted on Twitter that Tesla’s solar team could
indeed outfit Puerto Rico with power facilities that could be used
to generate and store power reserves when the existing grid isn’t
available, as it has been after the U.S. territory faced the devastation
of hurricane Maria."


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:15 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


A little bit about Ryan Zinke.......

Zinke was born in Bozeman, Montana and raised in Whitefish. He also threatened Alaska Senator Murkowski to bully her into voting for Trump's Health Care bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/politics/ryan-zinke-flag-flights-horse-d
ogs/index.html


He's quite a character. He also engaged in expensive air travel at taxpayer's expense, a la Tom Price. Why isn't he fired as well.


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Congress approves $36.5-billion disaster aid for Puerto Rico,
wildfires and hurricane relief

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washing
ton-updates-congress-approves-36-5-billion-1508860506-htmlstory.html


"Congress gave final passage Tuesday to $36.5 billion in disaster aid
for Puerto Rico and several states impacted by a particularly destructive
hurricane season.

"The package includes $576.5 million to address the devastating wildfires
in California and the West."

This story also affects Puerto Rico: It could take as long as the year 2020 before some homeowners get federal funding to permanently rebuild or fix their Hurricane Harvey-ravaged homes, key state officials told a Texas Senate committee on Tuesday.
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Red-tape-t
ies-up-Harvey-rebuilding-money-12303527.php


Although Congress passed a $7.4 billion initial relief bill last month to help people rebuild after the numerous natural disasters that hit the nation over the last three months, Texas General Land Commissioner George P. Bush warned that money has a lot of red tape to get through before Texans will see any of it.

He said historically, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has taken anywhere between 9 months and nearly 3 years to get that money to the people who need it. Additional aid was approved Tuesday, and more is in the pipeline.

"It is a painstaking process. Everyone is frustrated by it," Bush said moments after testifying before the Texas Senate's Finance Committee.

. . .

While Congress agreed to spend the money, HUD officials must go through a lengthy rule-making process to determine how the $7.4 billion can be used by states and which states get what share of it. But even that calculation cannot begin until better damage assessments come in from Puerto Rico, said HUD spokesman Brian Sullivan.

In short, the rule-making process to even start the process of actually spending the money has yet to begin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:04 PM

OONJERAH


Hmmm.

So the folks who have a job or some money will repair their own
homes long before the gub'mint sends any relief money.

The folks in poverty will camp out, roughing it.

The olde folks will die unless their relatives can get 'em to
the mainland.

I think I'll ask my friend over there where to donate a bit.


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Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The people have also been exposed to contaminated water as they are drinking from rivers and streams throughout the island. I believe there have been 6 or 7 deaths due to a treatable water-born disease known as "leptospirosis," which brings the total number of deaths from Hurricane Maria's aftermath to 51. The disease is spread by animal urine in the water.


SGG


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Hmmm.

So the folks who have a job or some money will repair their own
homes long before the gub'mint sends any relief money.

The folks in poverty will camp out, roughing it.

The olde folks will die unless their relatives can get 'em to
the mainland.

I think I'll ask my friend over there where to donate a bit.


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Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:53 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Second, the power situation has been going on for years, but it came to a head after the storm hit the island.

Apparently, the power authority in Puerto Rico has been affected by the economic crisis on the island. There is a video that I recently saw that explains it all, or, at least, gives an overview of the situation. I will try to find it and post it here.

But, suffice it to say, it's been a domino affect - a change in how busniesses apply their taxes, so several large companies left the island in droves, including the power company employees, insearch of a new life on the mainland. The power grid was left in disrepair and that caused the system to be strained and then the storm hit.


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Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Second, the power situation has been going on for years, but it came to a head after the storm hit the island.

Part of the problem is how FEMA requires Puerto Ricans to apply for disaster aid. Lynch said FEMA workers were asking residents to give them copies of utility bills and bank routing numbers. Then the agency promised to follow up via email or text. But most people don't have electricity or phone service, and their homes and documents may be destroyed.

The nation's largest nurses union condemned the federal government's emergency response in Puerto Rico on Thursday for "delaying necessary humanitarian aide to its own citizens and leaving them to die." The official death toll from the storm so far is 51, though Vox's own reporting suggests the actual number of deaths could be in the hundreds.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16553748/puerto-rico-nurses
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Friday, October 27, 2017 1:41 AM

OONJERAH



"What's a telephone?"

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Friday, October 27, 2017 2:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Part of the problem is how FEMA requires Puerto Ricans to apply for disaster aid. Lynch said FEMA workers were asking residents to give them copies of utility bills and bank routing numbers. Then the agency promised to follow up via email or text. But most people don't have electricity or phone service, and their homes and documents may be destroyed.


This is what the Mayor of San Juan was talking about, plus I saw a video (live feed) on Facebook of FEMA staff and employees getting their drink on in a luxury hotel lobby. And yet another video of government officials and nurses getting pedicures.

Our tax dollars hard at work.


SGG

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Friday, October 27, 2017 3:49 AM

OONJERAH


I have a cousin in Bozeman, Montana, rancher, salt of the earth.
Mayhap those MT linemen are even now repairing the lines ...
  ...
while their replacements are taking liquid fortitude for the job,
no hurry, no worry.

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Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:02 PM

OONJERAH


Things in Puerto Rico are worse than our government's admitting | Opinion
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2017/10/maria_puerto_rico_dying
.html


National Nurses United: "We couldn't believe this is a part of the United States."


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Maybe ... most of Mainland Citizens don't believe
that Puerto Rico is a part of the United States.


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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I don't know how true it is, but I saw a headline on the internet that proclaimed that the Puerto Rican government (meaning the governor) cancelled the contract with WhiteFish. Hmmmm, something really smells to high heaven....suddenly they withdraw the contract, probably because with the FBI conducting a full audit they will find
where the smell is coming from.

Prying eyes...they're watching you, watching your every move...Prying eyes!

With apologies to Hall & Oates.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I have a cousin in Bozeman, Montana, rancher, salt of the earth.
Mayhap those MT linemen are even now repairing the lines ...
  ...
while their replacements are taking liquid fortitude for the job,
no hurry, no worry.

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Monday, October 30, 2017 8:19 PM

OONJERAH


Saying something Stupid now:

  It almost sounds like someone in power in PR doesn't
want it to get fixed. But that's nuts.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:20 AM

OONJERAH



Puerto Rico Kills Controversial Whitefish Contract
https://news.google.com/news/video/iAjxBTsUNrU/dw6UgY0NPcffR_Mb8FYXyLJ
KNo9DM?hl=en


OK. So the 2 guys from Whitefish, MT, were to be paid $3M to repair the power
lines in PR. .. But PR has changed its mind.
  I haven't seen any clear details on this story yet.
But most of the power is still out over there.

If this was our PG&E power lines here in my hometown ... PG&E woulda sent
their guys out the next day to fix on 'em. It can't very well be that PR has a
power grid & no one there is responsible to maintain it ... that would make no sense.


Strange Enough Yet?
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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I post these things not because I necessarily believe they are 'the truth', but because it's more information.

for your consideration:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/puerto-rico-governor-s
ays-contract-to-whitefish-company-should-be-canceled/2017/10/29/e5336cda-bcb8-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html


Puerto Rico’s electric company moved Sunday to cancel a $300 million contract with a small Montana firm for repairs to the territory’s hurricane-ravaged electrical grid, saying controversy surrounding the agreement was distracting from the effort to restore power.

The contract with Whitefish Energy — a firm that had just two employees the day the storm hit — had drawn blistering criticism from members of Congress for days. And on Friday the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which has a large role in determining government reimbursements, said it had “significant concerns” about how the contract was secured.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 7:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The figure is $300M and the contract was killed, according to reports, but this was a "greed" move on someone's part, but what I can't figure out is how they thought they were going to get away with it, with so much focus on the island's troubles.

That, I must say, was a real stupid move on the part of the governor, Secretary Renke and DJT. Now the FBI is on the case, and I would bet that there are quite a few FBI cops just itching to put a boot in the ass of Trump and Company for what was done to Comey.

This is getting better by the minute. Go ahead boys, go get 'em. And when you do boot him in the ass, make sure to wear your cowboy boots.


SGG


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Puerto Rico Kills Controversial Whitefish Contract
https://news.google.com/news/video/iAjxBTsUNrU/dw6UgY0NPcffR_Mb8FYXyLJ
KNo9DM?hl=en


OK. So the 2 guys from Whitefish, MT, were to be paid $3M to repair the power
lines in PR. .. But PR has changed its mind.
  I haven't seen any clear details on this story yet.
But most of the power is still out over there.

If this was our PG&E power lines here in my hometown ... PG&E woulda sent
their guys out the next day to fix on 'em. It can't very well be that PR has a
power grid & no one there is responsible to maintain it ... that would make no sense.


Strange Enough Yet?
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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 7:15 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


“significant concerns” - Now there's a fucking monumental understatement.

Well!? Is it Fake news or not?

It's what a friend of mine would say: Tira y Tapate.....loosely translated it means "duck and cover"

Anyway, Whitefish is being investigated by the FBI. These boys really thought they could slip a fastball by the Mighty Casey at bat...foolish thinking on their part.
Real subtle...good one, I say.

And Kiki, fencewalking takes skill, never forget that.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I post these things not because I necessarily believe they are 'the truth', but because it's more information.

for your consideration:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/puerto-rico-governor-s
ays-contract-to-whitefish-company-should-be-canceled/2017/10/29/e5336cda-bcb8-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html


Puerto Rico’s electric company moved Sunday to cancel a $300 million contract with a small Montana firm for repairs to the territory’s hurricane-ravaged electrical grid, saying controversy surrounding the agreement was distracting from the effort to restore power.

The contract with Whitefish Energy — a firm that had just two employees the day the storm hit — had drawn blistering criticism from members of Congress for days. And on Friday the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which has a large role in determining government reimbursements, said it had “significant concerns” about how the contract was secured.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:15 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Whitefish was being paid (not the employees who get, perhaps, 33%, because it's not in the contract) an hourly rate for a site supervisor set at $332 per hour and $227.88 per hour for a "journey lineman" according to a contract seen by CNN. The deal also specifies the estimated cost of nightly accommodation would be $332 per worker and nearly $80 per day for food.

There's also a clause in the deal that bars FEMA, the government of Puerto Rico and the Comptroller General of the U.S. from auditing the cost and profit elements of Whitefish's labor rates. It was an invitation for Whitefish to cheat on billing.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/27/news/economy/puerto-rico-whitefish-mon
tana-deal/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:31 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, the I heard that too about the contract. Somebody was going to walk away with a boatload of cash. What I'm interested in, is that the FBI is still going to investigate the matter.

If, after they complete the investigation, it is found that that is a standard contract and that WhiteFish is clean...then they should be allowed to proceed.

But I'm a bit curious. Isn't it customary for utility companies to "rally" around the crisis center and band together in an "all-hands-on-deck" manner to restore some semblance of normalcy? I always like when cops and firefighters pack up and go help a different state in a time of crisis. Why wasn't it done in this case?

Six weeks and counting.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Whitefish was being paid (not the employees who get, perhaps, 33%, because it's not in the contract) an hourly rate for a site supervisor set at $332 per hour and $227.88 per hour for a "journey lineman" according to a contract seen by CNN. The deal also specifies the estimated cost of nightly accommodation would be $332 per worker and nearly $80 per day for food.

There's also a clause in the deal that bars FEMA, the government of Puerto Rico and the Comptroller General of the U.S. from auditing the cost and profit elements of Whitefish's labor rates. It was an invitation for Whitefish to cheat on billing.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/27/news/economy/puerto-rico-whitefish-mon
tana-deal/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

But I'm a bit curious. Isn't it customary for utility companies to "rally" around the crisis center and band together in an "all-hands-on-deck" manner to restore some semblance of normalcy? I always like when cops and firefighters pack up and go help a different state in a time of crisis. Why wasn't it done in this case?

Oct. 2 - Rather than call on mutual assistance from U.S. mainland utilities, the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority decides to rely on the Army Corp of Engineers and hire contractors, like Whitefish, to rebuild the power grid and restore service.

Why did the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority do that crazy thing? Money. 100% paid for by Donald J Trump. Trump was giving money away. The only limit was finish the job in 180 days. It was an opportunity for friends of Trump to steal federal money, but Trump's friends got too greedy and it was too obvious that they were cheating the federal government:

Sept. 26 - President Donald Trump increased the federal government’s share of costs to 100 percent funding for debris removal and emergency protective measures, including emergency power restoration, for 180 days.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-puertorico-power-timeline/the-long-powe
r-restoration-process-in-puerto-rico-idUSKBN1CZ2G6


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 11:28 PM

OONJERAH


Moving this from the "Mueller, Trump and the case for Obstruction of Justice" thread.

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?



That's a good question Oonj, I suppose that could be the reason. Puerto
Rican men have been serving in the Armed Forces since they became U.S.
citizens, I believe it was 1917, just in time for WWI. I'll look into it
and see what I could find.

I hope your friend is alright.
SGG



Last I heard, about a week ago; he was fine & his kitty too.
He's like a lot of folks we know; a good egg, but never had the "douf"
to work steady. His gf finally got tired of his recreational expenses.
So she helped him move to Nicaragua (I assume pot is more affordable
there). That was fine until his health began deteriorate. That's when
he moved to PR for the VA hospital.

My thought is, we might have a lot of Vets, originally mainlanders,
who now live in PR 'cause it's cheap & has a VA hospital.

My 1st glance at PR stats, over a month ago, showed that they're in
way over their heads in debt. My advice is they should open a couple
of casinos & generally improve their tourist trade.
  ... What can they offer that Florida doesn't have more of?


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Friday, November 3, 2017 4:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You're fucking with me aren't you?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Moving this from the "Mueller, Trump and the case for Obstruction of Justice" thread.

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?



That's a good question Oonj, I suppose that could be the reason. Puerto
Rican men have been serving in the Armed Forces since they became U.S.
citizens, I believe it was 1917, just in time for WWI. I'll look into it
and see what I could find.

I hope your friend is alright.
SGG



Last I heard, about a week ago; he was fine & his kitty too.
He's like a lot of folks we know; a good egg, but never had the "douf"
to work steady. His gf finally got tired of his recreational expenses.
So she helped him move to Nicaragua (I assume pot is more affordable
there). That was fine until his health began deteriorate. That's when
he moved to PR for the VA hospital.

My thought is, we might have a lot of Vets, originally mainlanders,
who now live in PR 'cause it's cheap & has a VA hospital.

My 1st glance at PR stats, over a month ago, showed that they're in
way over their heads in debt. My advice is they should open a couple
of casinos & generally improve their tourist trade.
  ... What can they offer that Florida doesn't have more of?


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Friday, November 3, 2017 8:15 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're fucking with me aren't you?

SGG



No. Not that I know of.


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Monday, November 6, 2017 3:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ha, Ha...........you're funny!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're fucking with me aren't you?

SGG



No. Not that I know of.


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Monday, November 6, 2017 4:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

My 1st glance at PR stats, over a month ago, showed that they're in
way over their heads in debt. My advice is they should open a couple
of casinos & generally improve their tourist trade.
  ... What can they offer that Florida doesn't have more of?



'Cause this sounds like something "Six-pack" would say. Do you know how PR got into such debt? Second: They had Casinos and tourist trade; mainly in the San Juan area.
And C: If Florida has more to offer, then can you, or anybody, explain why, if Puerto Rico is so worthless, why the United States declared - at gunpoint I might add - the island as a colony?

Why, if they don't have the resources that Florida has, did Congress establish that it's citizens be declared American? Why did Congress write laws that would guarantee American companies certain tax advantages siphoning off billions of dollars in revenue? Why did Congress establish the Merchant Marine Act of 1920, better known as the Jones Act? Why would American companies establish trade routes importing coffee, sugar and rice to the island when they have the land and resources to produce their own? Why was the US Navy so interested in a little island southeast of the island of Puerto Rico? Especially since Florida has so much too offer.

Little known Facts

-Puerto Ricans pay most US Federal taxes
-Most residents do not have to pay the federal personal income tax
-In 2009, Puerto Rico paid $3.74 billion into the US Treasury
-Puerto Ricans pay into Social Security, so they get SS benefits, but are excluded
from SSI
-They pay import/export taxes; payroll taxes and medicare taxes
-Most are only required to pay US Federal income tax return if they have income sources outside of Puerto Rico or if they're US government employees.

There are other intricate tax codes that determine federal taxable income. Then there are convoluted Commonwealth taxes, sales taxes and don't get me started on the voting rights.

There is so much more regarding the status of the island that can't be answered simply here. Suffice it to say that it is substantial. So, ask yourself why a powerful nation, claiming to be for freedom and sovereignty, like the United States, would be so interested in a tiny insignificant island? Then talk to me about the worth of such an island as compared to Florida.


SGG


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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're fucking with me aren't you?

SGG



No. Not that I know of.


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Monday, November 6, 2017 7:15 AM

OONJERAH


      No. ... nevermind.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 2:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thought so.


SGG


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      No. ... nevermind.


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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 2:41 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here's an article that gives some of the sordid details of the Puerto Rico's debt:

http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-debt-2017-10

If you care to know.


SGG


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
      No. ... nevermind.


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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 8:02 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's an article that gives some of the sordid details of the Puerto Rico's debt:

http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-debt-2017-10

If you care to know.


SGG

This other article has graphs clearly showing a 1996 tax law change in Washington DC ("Section 936") caused an economic collapse in Puerto Rico.
www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/heres-how-an-obscure-tax-change-sank-puerto-ri
cos-economy.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


There was a video I found weeks back that gave a really clear and concise accounting of the whole economic debacle, plus a brief economic history. I'll try to find it again. Thanks for posting the article Second.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's an article that gives some of the sordid details of the Puerto Rico's debt:

http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-debt-2017-10

If you care to know.


SGG

This other article has graphs clearly showing a 1996 tax law change in Washington DC ("Section 936") caused an economic collapse in Puerto Rico.
www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/heres-how-an-obscure-tax-change-sank-puerto-ri
cos-economy.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:46 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Saw a blurb on the internet that Con Ed of New York is sending workers to Puerto Rico to help with the electric grid.

https://www.econotimes.com/Con-Edison-OR-Crews-Equipment-to-Aid-Puerto
-Rico-Power-Restoration-987639




Good on you, guys!


SGG

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Friday, November 17, 2017 2:58 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The Latest on the White Fish scandal goes a little like this:

It seems that the contract voided by the governor of Puerto Rico had a 30-day notice clause; and so the company is still there working on the power problem until the end of the month.

1. Despite the above, work has met with a few problems (quelle surprise!) it seems that the power line that White Fish has worked on has gone down twice.

2. They are charging the government of Puerto Rico twice as much as contracted for hourly wages and for meal allowance.

Why should we care?

Cause we are paying for it.

Have a nice day!


SGG

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:09 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I saw an interview Friday with recent arrivals from Puerto Rico (in Florida) and they stated that the death toll is much more than has been reported. Many elderly have passed away due to illness, dehydration and lack of medicine.

Next thing will be the spread disease - through wild animals, rats etc. A major section of San Juan has no electricity - still. A village within San Juan - Villa Capri - has a section where many elderly people live. It's been 90 days and counting.


SGG

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Fucking Government Pricks, oh and Trump.........

Death Toll on the Island Cover-up, as usual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/report-hurricane-maria-death-to
ll-in-puerto-rico-is-far-higher-than-reported/vp-BBGqRNA


I saw an interview of recent island evacuees that spoke of this; they said that many have not been reported due to the lack of communication throughout the island. Makes sense.


SGG

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Fucking Government Pricks, oh and Trump.........

Death Toll on the Island Cover-up, as usual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/report-hurricane-maria-death-to
ll-in-puerto-rico-is-far-higher-than-reported/vp-BBGqRNA


I saw an interview of recent island evacuees that spoke of this; they said that many have not been reported due to the lack of communication throughout the island. Makes sense.


SGG



So.... not a cover up then?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Banks and Wall Street looking to foreclose on devastated island...

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/business/puerto-rico-housing-foreclo
sures.html


Yep, just like Snydely Whiplash as he curls his black mustache.

Brilliant!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Fucking Government Pricks, oh and Trump.........

Death Toll on the Island Cover-up, as usual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/report-hurricane-maria-death-to
ll-in-puerto-rico-is-far-higher-than-reported/vp-BBGqRNA


I saw an interview of recent island evacuees that spoke of this; they said that many have not been reported due to the lack of communication throughout the island. Makes sense.


SGG



So.... not a cover up then?

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:20 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


http://www.c-span.org/video/?437192-3/hurricane-recovery-efforts-puert
o-rico-virgin-islands-governors



Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Banks and Wall Street looking to foreclose on devastated island...

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/business/puerto-rico-housing-foreclo
sures.html


Yep, just like Snydely Whiplash as he curls his black mustache.

Brilliant!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Fucking Government Pricks, oh and Trump.........

Death Toll on the Island Cover-up, as usual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/report-hurricane-maria-death-to
ll-in-puerto-rico-is-far-higher-than-reported/vp-BBGqRNA


I saw an interview of recent island evacuees that spoke of this; they said that many have not been reported due to the lack of communication throughout the island. Makes sense.


SGG



So.... not a cover up then?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



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Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I was just commenting on how you said the death toll numbers was a cover up and then two sentences later you saw an interview where people living it give a reason that the numbers aren't out there.




As for what the banks are doing, I don't have an answer. I mean, I'm not surprised that they'd be doing this. I'm sure at this point almost nobody is paying their debts back to the bank. Most of their houses and jobs are gone.

I'd say that I don't believe that the banks would actually want that property because it's worthless, but what do I know?

I'm almost 100% confident that the people of Puerto Rico will vote to become official citizens of America to cash in on tax dollars to re-structure everything. On that day, the death knell to the heritage of the Puerto Rican people will be dealt.

That money isn't going to come for free. My guess is that everyone in Puerto Rico will eventually have a place to live, but most of them will not own it anymore. Any of the prime land after cleanup will be owned by wealthy outsiders, and the crappy land in the middle will have cheap public housing for the natives. There will be plenty of jobs though, once Tourism becomes the almost singular force of their GDP.

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Banks and Wall Street looking to foreclose on devastated island...

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/business/puerto-rico-housing-foreclo
sures.html


Yep, just like Snydely Whiplash as he curls his black mustache.

Brilliant!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Fucking Government Pricks, oh and Trump.........

Death Toll on the Island Cover-up, as usual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/report-hurricane-maria-death-to
ll-in-puerto-rico-is-far-higher-than-reported/vp-BBGqRNA


I saw an interview of recent island evacuees that spoke of this; they said that many have not been reported due to the lack of communication throughout the island. Makes sense.


SGG



So.... not a cover up then?

Do Right, Be Right. :)




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 20, 2020 11:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: (September 27, 2017)
Governor Cuomo did a flyover in a helicopter, and where's Trump?...he's at home washing his toupee.SGG



Cuomo probably should have been keeping an eye out for warehouses with over 2 Billion dollars of aid that's been sitting around collecting dust (or worse) since we gave it to them.








Or maybe Trump dialed up CERN and they fired up the collider and sent it all there last week through a wormhole.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 20, 2020 7:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nothing?

Nobody has anything to say about this one?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 24, 2023 7:46 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Man convicted in stray-bullet killing of Puerto Rican Olympian's mom in her Connecticut home
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-convicted-stray-bullet-killing-202149812
.html


Puerto Rico man found guilty of killing 8 at bar owned by rival drug trafficker following retrial
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/americas/puerto-rico-man-found-guil
ty-of-killing-8-at-bar-owned-by-rival-drug-trafficker/article_285697db-69c3-5758-976e-edc883ad5b44.html


and that Spanish Homeland culture?

Election leaves Spain in political disarray with no party having an easy path to form a government

https://apnews.com/article/spain-election-whats-next-right-left-coalit
ion-0424325a834f390b5a884482c478107c



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Friday, August 4, 2023 10:08 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Puerto Rico Utility Gets Yet Another Week to Strike a Debt Deal
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-04/puerto-rico-utility
-gets-yet-another-week-to-strike-a-debt-deal


Dem Stacey Plaskett MISLED Public On Epstein Ties, WORKED For Disgraced Pedophile's Fixer


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