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Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?
Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:04 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I could be wrong, but I don't think SIX pays the slightest attention to FOX news, and not a whole lot of attention to Trump. I don't recall SIX ever referring to/linking anything on FOX (unless it was linked here first), and never quoting Trump. So, I think, ONCE AGAIN YOU'RE ARGUING WITH THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD AND NOT THE REAL PEOPLE HERE. Of course you're wrong. Like you, 6ix likes to make bold, sweeping generalizations about the MSM and then says he never watches it. Exactly what I mean about him not having any knowledge of the things he tries to act knowledgable about. One doesn't have to watch Fox to act like one of their zombies. He voted for Trump, right? Connect the dots. He really should ask more questions and make fewer pronouncements imho.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I could be wrong, but I don't think SIX pays the slightest attention to FOX news, and not a whole lot of attention to Trump. I don't recall SIX ever referring to/linking anything on FOX (unless it was linked here first), and never quoting Trump. So, I think, ONCE AGAIN YOU'RE ARGUING WITH THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD AND NOT THE REAL PEOPLE HERE.
Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:45 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Pronouncements like "Fuck Puerto Ricans"? Ones that I never said you mean?
Sunday, September 2, 2018 12:08 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news?- SIGNY Sorry - it's just too funny you feeling cheated by Chuck Todd, had to relive it.- GSTRING
Sunday, September 2, 2018 3:29 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: o.m.g. Somebody who knew somebody accepted money from a Russian and a Ukrainian to get them a place to attend Trump's inauguration. Now, correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the inauguration after the election? Doesn't that mean this wasn't about Trump. Russia. Election. Collusion. This is the longest-playing striptease ever. C'mon Mueller. TAKE IT OFF!! TAKE IT ALL OFF! Show us what you've got! THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:33 PM
THG
Sunday, September 2, 2018 10:38 PM
Quote: Ahead of midterms, Democrats lead in cash, candidates and voters. As the runners near the 2018 vote, metrics show clear trends — an enthusiastic electorate, a diverse pool of candidates and an advantage for Democrats. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/ahead-midterms-democrats-lead-cash-candidates-voters-n905781 T
Monday, September 3, 2018 4:37 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, September 3, 2018 6:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news?- SIGNY Sorry - it's just too funny you feeling cheated by Chuck Todd, had to relive it.- GSTRING LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE! I have to wonder, GSTRING... will you EVER get out of the habit of lying with nearly every post??? Or is that defect so deeply entrenched that it will be with you for the rest of your life?
Monday, September 3, 2018 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: still wondering where the evidence is ...
Monday, September 3, 2018 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: still wondering where the evidence is ...There is No Evidence. It never existed. It never happened.
Monday, September 3, 2018 12:40 PM
Monday, September 3, 2018 6:05 PM
Quote:Quickest way to shut SIGNYM up is to ask her: And what was "my lie?" You didn't post this? "So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news? "
Monday, September 3, 2018 6:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Quickest way to shut SIGNYM up is to ask her: And what was "my lie?" You didn't post this? "So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news? " WAS there a big announcement before Labor Day? What was it? Or was Signy right in calling that announcement 'fake news', and you were once again ... wrong?
Monday, September 3, 2018 9:19 PM
Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:27 PM
Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, there WAS no pre-Labor Day 'big announcement' about Trump or Mueller or Russia or anything relevant --- despite all the breathless msm hoopla and your eager anticipation. You clowns. You're so gullible. Such eager suckers for propaganda. THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Thursday, September 6, 2018 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, there WAS no pre-Labor Day 'big announcement' about Trump or Mueller or Russia or anything relevant --- despite all the breathless msm hoopla and your eager anticipation. You clowns. You're so gullible. Such eager suckers for propaganda.
Sunday, September 9, 2018 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND when you write that ^^ your ignorance is showing! You criticized Trump for ... among many other things ... being a "rentier" capitalist. Whatever Signym, 1kiki, and 6ix imagined Trump would do, he actually has done what the GOP would want, except with an extra dose of chaos because he is disorganized. Since I don't like what the GOP does, because I was biased by Nixon, I don't like what Trump does. But Trump has added some personal criminal tendencies to the standard GOP mix: Trump has spent his entire career breaking various laws, getting caught, and then essentially plowing ahead unharmed. He has continued that as a candidate and a President: Here’s House Republicans’ list of all the Trump scandals they’re covering up • President Trump’s tax returns
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND when you write that ^^ your ignorance is showing! You criticized Trump for ... among many other things ... being a "rentier" capitalist.
Quote: • Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution’s emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization • Trump’s dealings with Russia, including the president’s preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin.
Quote: • The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels
Quote: • James Comey’s firing
Quote: • Trump’s firing of U.S. attorneys.
Quote: • Trump’s proposed transgender ban for the military
Quote: • Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s business dealings • White House staff’s personal email use
Quote: • Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks
Quote: • Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago
Quote: • Jared Kushner’s ethics law compliance
Quote: • Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors
Quote: • The travel ban
Quote: • Family separation policy
Quote: • Hurricane response in Puerto Rico
Quote: • Election security and hacking attempts
Quote: • White House security clearances
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Sunday, September 9, 2018 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence of Collusion? It's only been a year of the Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition.After 15 months, Still No Evidence.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence of Collusion? It's only been a year of the Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:It's not even troubling that you feel there is no evidence JSF. It's just absurd and I find myself not caring in the least that you see things that way. T
Quote:It's not even troubling that you feel there is no evidence JSF. It's just absurd and I find myself not caring in the least that you see things that way. T
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "What JewelStaiteFan means is that Trump is innocent until JewelStaiteFan decides he is guilty." SECOND, Trump is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, based on evidence that supports the allegations. 1kiki, if Federal prosecutors think like that, they would never go to trial on any case. The prosecutors place their reputations on the line when they decide to investigate one thing rather than another. They have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides. This should be a moment of reflection for white-collar prosecutors.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "What JewelStaiteFan means is that Trump is innocent until JewelStaiteFan decides he is guilty." SECOND, Trump is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, based on evidence that supports the allegations.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "The prosecutors ... have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides." Are you saying mere accusation by a prosecutor is proof of guilt? You DO realize that's a distinctly anti-American position to take - right?Before going to trial, does a prosecutor believe that no crimes were committed, but goes to trial anyway so that a jury can look over and double-check the evidence and maybe, just maybe, find a crime that the prosecutor missed or overlooked? Why not? Find me a single defense attorney who has gone to court at some point in their life knowing full well that their client was guilty of the crimes committed.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "The prosecutors ... have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides." Are you saying mere accusation by a prosecutor is proof of guilt? You DO realize that's a distinctly anti-American position to take - right?Before going to trial, does a prosecutor believe that no crimes were committed, but goes to trial anyway so that a jury can look over and double-check the evidence and maybe, just maybe, find a crime that the prosecutor missed or overlooked?
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "The prosecutors ... have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides." Are you saying mere accusation by a prosecutor is proof of guilt? You DO realize that's a distinctly anti-American position to take - right?
Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:05 PM
Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:53 PM
Quote:The Plot to Subvert an Election: Unraveling the Russia Story So Far
Quote:What Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel in charge of the investigation, may know or may yet discover is still uncertain.
Quote:plausible ...though it cannot be proved or disproved.
Quote: But none of the convictions to date involve conspiracy.
Quote: Mr. Trump’s frustration with the Russian investigation is not surprising. He is right that no public evidence has emerged showing that his campaign conspired with Russia in the election interference or accepted Russian money.
Quote: In an astounding contradiction within a single NYT article, the "mountain of evidence" at the opening becomes Trump "is right that no public evidence has emerged" by the story's closing.
Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:41 PM
REAVERFAN
Sunday, September 23, 2018 2:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Grasp at those straws! Grasp! GRASP, DAMN YOUR EYES!!!!
Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted: Grasp at those straws! Grasp! GRASP, DAMN YOUR EYES!!!!
Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:20 PM
Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: 1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty last October to making false statements to the FBI. 2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018. 3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. 4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty last December to making false statements to the FBI. 5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin. 21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. 22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. 23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year. 24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016. Finally, there are two other people Mueller initially investigated, but then handed over to others in the Justice Department to handle. Both eventually agreed to plea deals. Michael Cohen: Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations, related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump. Sam Patten: This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.
Sunday, September 23, 2018 11:01 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 3:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I'll just keep bumping this so we all notice when nothing happens that has anything to do with Russia+Trump+collusion. THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:20 PM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:58 PM
Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:55 PM
Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Mueller Probe: California Man Who Sold Stolen IDs to Russians to Be Sentenced https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-probe-california-man-who-sold-stolen-ids-to-russians-to-be-sentenced
Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:28 PM
Monday, November 5, 2018 11:38 PM
Friday, November 9, 2018 9:06 AM
Friday, November 9, 2018 9:10 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence.
Friday, November 9, 2018 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence.How many of Donald Trump's advisers have been convicted? Five. And without any evidence. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advisers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they
Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:33 PM
Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:41 PM
Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote: Ahead of midterms, Democrats lead in cash, candidates and voters. As the runners near the 2018 vote, metrics show clear trends — an enthusiastic electorate, a diverse pool of candidates and an advantage for Democrats. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/ahead-midterms-democrats-lead-cash-candidates-voters-n905781 T
Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:25 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 1:46 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 5:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-02/smear-slander-rinse-and-repeat The rise of Donald Trump has made the existing mass media realize that one-sided negative reporting on the man sells better than anything objective can. The MSM have sort of won the battle versus the interwebs, albeit only in that regard, and only for this moment, but that is enough for them for now; just like their readers, they don’t have the scope or the energy to look any further or deeper. This is what drives outlets like CNN, the New York Times and the Guardian today, because it provides them with readers and viewers. Which they would not have if they didn’t conduct a 24/7 war on a set list of topics they know their audience can’t get enough of. For these outlets, there are are three targets: Assange, Putin and Trump. The problem would be evidence. Or it would seem to be, at least. But the news has changed. We are well into the second year of ‘reporting’ on how Trump and Putin have conspired against Hillary, and there is still no proof other than intelligence services swearing on their mothers’ graves that really, Assange, Putin and Trump have targeted our democracies in order to take over control of them by illegal means. They are the enemy, and you, who are of course on the other side, are their victims.
Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 9:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: It was reposted in ZH from another site. I posted it here - with the link - because it contains original links to original information, and a handy summary. Basically, I'm too darn lazy to pull up and repost every original link, and write a summary myself.
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:28 AM
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: THANKS for the bump! Here's the original link. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-02/smear-slander-rinse-and-repeat
Quote:It shouldn’t be necessary for anyone to point out that George HW Bush was basically a war criminal in thinly veiled disguise, who ordered the bombing of a caravan of civilians in Iraq 27 years ago, as the US had invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein had taken Kuwait egged on by that same US. If you can call that dignified, you have issues.
Quote: Fear, of course, is perhaps the greatest motivator in the world. And in this case, fear is entirely rational if one accepts the premise that the world will face a climate apocalypse if net CO2 emissions are not brought to zero. Because that’s almost certainly not going to happen. Fortunately, scientists generally and environmentalists specifically have a rather poor track record when it comes to dire predictions. Yet government’s ability to use perceived threats to expand power is more impressive (and more dangerous).
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence. Maybe that's because there is no Collusion on the Trump side, only on the Hilliary/Obama side. Even though there is no Law against Collusion.
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 3:12 PM
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 3:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Still No Evidence. Come on, not much time left to dream up some evidence. This scam has been going on for more than 2 years. Get with it shlubbs.
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