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Monday, April 15, 2019 2:59 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Another Home Depot story ... just a week before that, I was looking for a spool of string for my string trimmer. Looked high and low, spool in-hand, looking for a match. Finally had to ask, and the employee took me to a whole 'nother shelf with MORE string. He finally found one ... not even in a bag or box, just some random spool on the shelf, ... which seemed to be a good physical match- same height, dia, and gear pattern on the bottom. But when I tried it at home it unspooled in-use. So I looked up the replacement for that, turns out it should be 0.08" not 0.065", which is why it spit its guts out. I had to order from Amazon anyway. I was hoping to avoid the delay.

We have no Ace, Lowe's, or OSH in our neighborhood (OSH, owned by Lowe's, shuttered all of their stores about eight(?) months ago.) Stuck with effing Home Depot, which drove a much better home improvement store out of business about 10 years ago.

Home Depot: The Walmart of home improvement stores.

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Monday, April 15, 2019 11:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey JONGSSTRAW, long time no see!

I used to think you were a curmudgeon, but now I think you were just appropriately cynical.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:59 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-sanctuary-city
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California hits back as Trump threatens to ‘dump’ immigrants in ‘sanctuary cities’

California Democrats this week stepped up their attacks on President Trump over his threat to send immigrants to so-called sanctuary cities, even as experts suggested the president’s plan could backfire and lure more migrants to the north.

Gov. Gavin Newsom labeled the president’s proposed policy nonsensical, saying Trump campaigned on deporting more immigrants. But his latest plan looks as if he intends to allow some migrants to remain in the U.S.

“Which one is it, Mr. President?” Newsom asked rhetorically, in an interview with The Times. “That fundamental flaw in the logic needs to be considered.”

The governor insisted the federal government is already “dumping people” in California by processing migrants legally seeking asylum at the border and releasing them into California before they have time to connect with their sponsors in the U.S.

Several mayors also reacted. L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti tweeted that immigrants “are people, not pawns,” Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf told Trump to stop fanning “hate and division,” and San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo called for “sensible solutions.”

L.A. County Supervisor Hilda Solis also said in a statement that “the only way to address immigration in this country is through bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform.”

The back-and-forth marked the latest exchange between Trump and his favorite West Coast target.

On Monday, Trump doubled down on his threat to send immigrants to “sanctuary cities,” a proposal first revealed by the Washington Post. He tweeted that “illegal immigrants who can no longer be legally held (Congress must fix the laws and loopholes) will be, subject to Homeland Security, given to sanctuary cities and states!”

Trump’s own aides have told him that such a policy on releasing migrants would likely be illegal and unfeasible — an assessment backed by former immigration officials and legal experts.

Officials with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not respond to requests for comment from The Times about whether they were making plans to implement the president’s proposed policy.

It’s unclear what authority, if any, the administration would have to bus migrants from detention centers near the border and release them into sanctuary cities and other Democratic strongholds broadly opposed to Trump’s efforts to crack down on immigration.

Following the passage of Senate Bill 54, the law signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown that limited cooperation between local law enforcement agencies and federal immigration agents, the Trump administration sued California to nullify it and two other laws designed to protect immigrants in the country illegally.

At least seven federal courts have ruled previous attempts by the Trump administration to cut off federal funding to cities and states, including California, for resisting cooperation with immigration authorities as unlawful. The U.S. Supreme Court also has ruled on several occasions that the federal government can’t coerce states and cities into helping it implement federal immigration policies.

The president has grown increasingly frustrated that, more than two years into his administration, his policies have failed to deter migrants from reaching the border or, for the most part, prevent their release from detention once inside the United States. Last month, U.S. authorities apprehended 92,607 people at the border, the highest monthly total in more than a decade.

Last week, Trump ousted a slew of his top officials in Homeland Security, in part because of their opposition to such proposals as releasing migrants into cities and states whose representatives the president sees as political enemies.

Roberto Suro, a professor of public policy at USC, called Trump’s latest plan an “ill-informed and self-defeating idea.”

There is no clear definition of a “sanctuary” city or state, but in general, jurisdictions that adopt the designation vow to offer political support or practical protection to people who are in the country illegally.

The term dates to the 1980s, when Berkeley and a few other municipalities declared themselves as such to accept migrants from Central America. At the time, U.S. immigration policies allowed some Central Americans, but not others, to enter the country.

For instance, California law provides a number of benefits for people without legal status, including healthcare and driver’s licenses. The state’s cities have robust immigrant rights organizations and an existing infrastructure to provide legal assistance for immigrants and asylum seekers.

“And, in a whooping irony, these metros are exactly the destinations that many, probably most, asylum seekers want to reach. These are the places where their kin and compatriots are concentrated,” Suro said. “Tell a Central American asylum seeker that her punishment is being sent to Los Angeles, and she might well say a prayer of thanks.”
OPINION: Trump’s plan to release detained immigrants in ‘sanctuary cities’ won’t stand. Here’s why »

Trump and California Democrats are appealing to their respective political bases by attacking one another. But posturing on both sides doesn’t serve anyone well, said Louis DeSipio, a professor of political science at UC Irvine.

“The rhetorical battles — in particular, President Trump’s threats — are supposed to antagonize and aren’t an effort to construct a solution to what is a challenge at the southern border,” he said.

David Dorsen, a public policy expert and legal scholar based in Washington, D.C., said Trump’s threat to send migrants to sanctuary cities is a problem even if it doesn't become a reality because it might entice more people to make the treacherous trip north.

“They’ll say ‘This is a new way of coming to the United States. Let’s go.’”

Staff writers Noah Bierman and Laura King contributed to this report.

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I just don't really understand the objection of Sanctuary Cities to helping more Illegal Aliens.
Their whole purpose in being Sanctuary Cities is to protect and shelter Criminals from Law Enforcement, so why are they objecting to doing it more?

Just hypocrites, virtue signalling, or something else?

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just don't really understand the objection of Sanctuary Cities to helping more Illegal Aliens.
Their whole purpose in being Sanctuary Cities is to protect and shelter Criminals from Law Enforcement, so why are they objecting to doing it more?

Just hypocrites, virtue signalling, or something else?

Well, that's simple.

Think about it for a second.

What good would it do Democrats in general to bolster the numbers of Democrat voters in areas that are already strongly going to vote Democrat anyhow?

The whole reason behind the Democrats wanting to let everybody in and disperse them evenly across the entire map of the US is to turn all those red areas blue over time.

There's no ROI for Democrats if they only take illegals in sanctuary cities. The exact same politicians that were going to be voted in anyhow will still be voted in, but they'll eventually have an economic crisis on their hands so big that they'd start turning Democrat voters red or see all of their legal, wage-earning voters leave the sanctuaries entirely.

They know this, hence the current gnashing of teeth and whaling about it.

Trump knew this. Hence his tweets designed to let them finally paint themselves into a corner so deep that they have no choice but to show their blatant hypocrisy on the issue.

The only virtue signalling here was the idea of Sanctuary Cities themselves, which were designed to shame everyone who didn't agree.

What you're witnessing now is a spectacular backfire of that tactic, no matter how hard the Lefty MSM tries to dance around that fact.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:33 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem. Not to mention it's petty and spiteful - qualities we might expect in a 5 year old, but not a US president. So, there's that.

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem. Not to mention it's petty and spiteful - qualities we might expect in a 5 year old, but not a US president. So, there's that.

It's not petty and spiteful. You are petty and spiteful.

It was checkmate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem.

Why doesn't it solve the problem?
Democraps get what they want. They get more Criminals raping and killing their children, more Illegal Alien Drunk Drivers killing or maiming their families. And the reasonable folk don't need to be burdened in this way.
Even though some Illegal Aliens murder multiple US Citizens, there are plenty more Illegal Aliens to replace the Democrap children, so the Democrap Voter base still increases.

Win Win for everybody, right?

And the Legal Immigrants, contributing to our society and communities, can locate to reasonable areas and vote for Patriotic candidates.

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem.
Why doesn't it solve the problem?
Democraps get what they want. They get more Criminals raping and killing their children, more Illegal Alien Drunk Drivers killing or maiming their families. And the reasonable folk don't need to be burdened in this way.
Even though some Illegal Aliens murder multiple US Citizens, there are plenty more Illegal Aliens to replace the Democrap children, so the Democrap Voter base still increases.

Win Win for everybody, right?

And the Legal Immigrants, contributing to our society and communities, can locate to reasonable areas and vote for Patriotic candidates.

I think my post, three posts up from yours, was not only a much more accurate account of the entire situation, but it was also not unnecessarily inflammatory and full of half truths and un-truths.

No reason to start exaggerating and/or outright lying to get this point across.

It was already clearly, and beautifully made without any need for you to taint it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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