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Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.






https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/08/mutations-key-antibio
tic-resistance-identified


https://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/08/antibiotic-superteam-could-quas
h-invincible-superbug


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/06/simple-method-measures-how-long-bac
teria-can-wait-out-antibiotics


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/05/researchers-find-antibiotic-resista
nt-genes-four-california-parks


https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/05/improved-antibiotic-p
acks-punch-against-bacterial-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/fda-panel-narrowly-backs-cempra-ant
ibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/09/researchers-develop-new-weapon-hard
-treat-bacterial-infections


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/11/chemists-achieve-break
through-antibacterial-drug-research


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2017/02/scientists-get-closer-developing-ne
w-antibiotic-fight-against-antimicrobial-resistance


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/brazilian-peppertree-m
ay-pack-power-knock-out-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/02/deep-water-sponge-could-help-figh
t-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/brute-force-can-overco
me-antibiotic-resistance


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-tre
atment-could-help-beat-bacteria


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help
-counter-antibiotic-resistance


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/2-antibiotics-fight-bacteria-diffe
rently-thought


http://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/01/better-diagnosis-fungal-infections-k
ey-reducing-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/supercomputer-simulations-help-deve
lop-new-approach-fight-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-trea
tment-could-help-beat-bacteria


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/key-evolutionary-catalyst-antibioti
c-resistance-identified


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/11/supercomputer-helps-fight-antibio
tic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/09/researchers-develop-new-weapon-hard
-treat-bacterial-infections


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/06/medicines-company-announces-positiv
e-phase-3-results-antibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals
?

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/10/killing-superbugs-tasm
anian-devil-milk


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-government-incentives-20160711-snap-story.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-antibiotic-resistance
-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/health/std-gonorrhea-azithromycin-resist
ance/index.html


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/05/studying-hot-spots-antibiotic-resis
tance


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-antibiotic-resistance
-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-government-incentives-20160711-snap-story.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/08/ultrafast-method-dete
rmining-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/antibiotic-resistance-
burgeoning-problem-kids-too


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/07/antibiotic-resistance-gaining-resis
tance-just-start


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2017/07/major-breakthrough-battle-against-
antibiotic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/11/supercomputer-helps-fight-antibio
tic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/01/drug-resistant-bacteria-growing-p
roblem-hospitals


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/04/tick-protein-helps-ant
ibiotics-combat-mrsa-super-bug


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/10/killing-superbugs-tasm
anian-devil-milk


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/11/chemists-achieve-break
through-antibacterial-drug-research


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/04/synthetic-mucus-helps-fight-antib
iotic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/05/researchers-uncover-another-tool-
fight-superbugs


http://www.rdmag.com/news/2016/05/following-tricky-triclosan

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/03/who-releases-rogues-ga
llery-resistant-germs


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/fda-panel-narrowly-backs-cempra-ant
ibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/key-evolutionary-catalyst-antibioti
c-resistance-identified


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-trea
tment-could-help-beat-bacteria


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/supercomputer-simulations-help-deve
lop-new-approach-fight-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/12/fighting-antimicrobial-resistance-s
martphones


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals
?

http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/rapid-bacterial-infection-test-redu
ces-antibiotic-use


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/study-investigates-whether-it-safe-
gps-prescribe-fewer-antibiotics


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/05/studying-hot-spots-antibiotic-resis
tance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/06/medicines-company-announces-positiv
e-phase-3-results-antibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/02/fighting-antimicrobial-resistanc
e-calls-collaboration


http://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/02/how-we-can-use-light-fight-bacte
ria


http://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/05/medieval-medical-books-could-hol
d-recipe-new-antibiotics


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2017/04/new-mechanism-fight-multi-resistant
-bacteria-revealed


http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/web/2017/03/Dual-therapy-first-weakens-
kills-antibiotic-resistant-pathogens.html


http://www.cemag.us/news/2016/10/study-hospital-rooms-patients-both-tr
ansmit-pathogens


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/health/std-gonorrhea-azithromycin-resist
ance/index.html



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Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:00 AM

WISHIMAY


Why are you so worried about it?

Anti-biotic resistance taking out a large portion of humanity is like...last.. on my list of things to worry about. We've got a few new weapons against it, including -oddly enough- panda blood. Science will save us, even if it is eventually. Many people will have natural immunities to even the worst bugs. Humans will go on, unfortunately...

I loooove anti-biotics. I think I've taken every one of them ever made.

Three in the last six months alone.

I'm up to like 40 times now... They're the only reason I'm still breathing.

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Keep loving your antibiotics. I hope they keep loving you back. But if they should stop, I probably won't have a ton of sympathy.

As for my interest, it's professional. And social. I find it fascinating that capitalism and 'the marketplace' gave us the problem, and can't seem to come up with a solution --- without millions in government research grants, that is. And personal. I know people who died of MRSA pneumonia.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:46 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I probably won't have a ton of sympathy.

I know people who died of MRSA pneumonia.




Ok. Good to know you are against people trying to stay alive after they develop horrible disorders. Guess we should just shoot everyone who isn't perfect. Or give them antibiotics, since that'll kill them quick, right?

If the people you knew had died from regular old pneumonia, would you be fixated on that? Were the people that died older or with compromised immune systems?? If so, there's a good chance SOMETHING would have gotten them anyway.

I mean, I'm sorry for your loss, but how is posting about it HERE going to change anything? If it means that much to you, go lobby something...


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Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What is your malfunction? How can you possibly infer I'm against people trying to stay alive by using antibiotics? Or do you automatically think every criticism under the sun is directed at you, personally?

In the US, MORE THAN HALF of all antibiotic use is for sub-therapeutic dosing in animal feed - because it makes animals grow faster.

Tell me, does that have anything to do with people trying to stay alive when they have a life-threatening bacterial infection?

Of HUMAN use, AT LEAST ONE THIRD goes to people who have viral infections or trivial, self-limiting bacterial ones that you, and your body, would be better off fighting without 'help'.

Tell me, does that have anything to do with people trying to stay alive when they have a life-threatening bacterial infection?



The problem is - meat and poultry producers want fast-growing animals. Doctors want to show their patients they're 'doing something' about their complaints, and prescribe antibiotics even when they're not appropriate. Pharmaceutical manufactures want to sell as much product as they can. Pharmacies want to fill as many prescriptions as possible. ALL THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES ARE FOR "MORE". There's no free-market, capitalistic feedback that says "STOP".

So all the players played as fast as they could, even though everyone knew that antibiotic resistance would be the inevitable outcome.

And here it is.

YOU seem to think that's not a problem. Well, ok. I hope you or your family never have to face a deadly infection with no antibiotic treatment. But if you do, well, maybe at that point you'll understand that antibiotic resistance is a serious issue. Just don't come whining to me about it.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:21 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


YOU seem to think that's not a problem. Well, ok. I hope you or your family never have to face a deadly infection with no antibiotic treatment. But if you do, well, maybe at that point you'll understand that antibiotic resistance is a serious issue. Just don't come whining to me about it.




That's what I'm trying to say, I think the chances are slim to none, and none went fishing.

Why would I come to you about it anyway???

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:44 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
What is your malfunction? How can you possibly infer I'm against people trying to stay alive by using antibiotics? Or do you automatically think every criticism under the sun is directed at you, personally?



I have a connective tissue disorder which makes me prone to infection. You said if antibiotics stop working for me you won't have a lot of sympathy.

So you are, in fact, saying I would have caused my own future death by not lobbying against capitalism, which ironically is the thing that created the things that have saved me.


My problem is people whining about systems of government that work just as well as any other human system of government run by flawed humans. Ten years of you and the "Capitalism is evil" blah blah....


PEOPLE....ARE... FLAWED. YOU EXPECT THEM NOT TO BE. ARE YOU NUTS???

You will ALWAYS have flawed systems when they are run by flawed beings and human perfection is an improbability, if not impossibility.



Do you even have any idea what it takes to FEED a damn family these days? My kid's friend's dad gave up and now he pretty much feeds them ramen and bologna most of the time.

DO you know how much meat would cost if they DIDN'T use something to try to keep the produce numbers up ?

The problem isn't anti-biotics, it's that THERE ARE TOO MANY GODDAMN PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET TO FEED.

The antibiotics are the SYMPTOM. Population control IS THE CURE. Population control is the cure to pretty much everything. Education. Pollution. Poverty. Crap in the food. Once people learn to value the rare ability to create life they might learn to maintain it better. Maybe.


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Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:46 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"Why would I come to you about it anyway???"
Yanno - your endless drama here, looking for anyone who'll agree that you're the heroine, everyone else is a shit-kicker, and the entire world has focused on you and done you and yours wrong.
And yes, you HAVE been done wrong - by the 1%. More accurately, by the 0.1%.
But then, so have the rest of us 99.9%. You're not special that way.



"capitalism ... ironically is the thing that created the things that have saved me"
Well, that's your first mistake. Government funded research saved your ass, not capitalism. Unless you think that capitalism is the source of all the research I linked ... in which case, you'd be wrong.



"PEOPLE....ARE... FLAWED. YOU EXPECT THEM NOT TO BE. ARE YOU NUTS??? "
Isn't that WHY we have governments? Laws? Cultures? Religions? To form people's behaviors?
GIVEN THAT - what would you rather put your trust in? The system that has screwed you at every turn? Or the one that has created the things that saved you?
And yet, here you are, arguing that the very system that puts itself between you and life-preserving medicines (think Shkreli, or EpiPen) is the one you trust. You're right. People are flawed, and you're the perfect example.


"DO you know how much meat would cost if they DIDN'T use something to try to keep the produce numbers up ? "
https://www.cattle.com/markets/barn_report.aspx?code=GX_LS161
Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 1
lowest price 650 lb, $139.60, $0.21 per lb. If only a quarter of a cow is usable, ground beef should cost you $0.84 per lb. Who do you think is making all the money?


"The problem isn't anti-biotics, it's that THERE ARE TOO MANY GODDAMN PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET TO FEED."
That's what's called a false dilemma, hon. It's not either/ or. It's both. There are too many people on the planet. And our system is geared to enable the people who will do anything to make the most money possible.
Neither one is sustainable.





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 2:42 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And our system is geared to enable the people who will do anything to make the most money possible.
Neither one is sustainable.





Seems to me that they are VERY sustainable, 'cause THAT'S ALL WE GET. Good luck fixing it by posting HERE. The people with the money gots da power and they aren't giving it up. So unless you intend a bloody revolution SHUT THE HELL UP.

And on that subject, weren't YOU the one thinking your mountains of gold would save you if the economy tanked...Aren't YOU just another hypocrite? DO you plan on handing it over to the starving if your ideals come true?? HELL NO.

Self-preservation runs this planet and always will. Nothing ELSE is sustainable.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

There are too many people on the planet. And our system is geared to enable the people who will do anything to make the most money possible.
Neither one is sustainable.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Seems to me that they are VERY sustainable, 'cause THAT'S ALL WE GET.

Said the lemming running toward the cliff.
And let me add even IF it's all we get (and that's debatable), that doesn't change the fact that that cliff edge is coming up fast, and it's not sustainable. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. That was a severe case of 'logic fail'.
Quote:

Good luck fixing it by posting HERE.
Well, this is a discussion board, so *I* thought I was discussing an issue.
Quote:

The people with the money gots da power and they aren't giving it up. So unless you intend a bloody revolution SHUT THE HELL UP.
Now you're Chairman Mao? Telling people what they can and can't bring up in public?
Quote:

And on that subject, weren't YOU the one thinking your mountains of gold would save you if the economy tanked...
Wow. You keep bringing that up, in a very 'strawman' kind of way. I've said - many times - that something is only as valuable as people think it is. Gold has no 'intrinsic' value. Neither does cash, bitcoins, land, or ... anything. Even those things that have 'use value' - air, shelter, water, food, for example - are only good in the right place at the right time. A fire to keep you warm does you no good on a scorching desert day. An endless supply of clean drinking water won't keep you from starving to death.
But you seem to be very taken with the idea of gold. That's your issue, not mine.
Quote:

Aren't YOU just another hypocrite? DO you plan on handing it over to the starving if your ideals come true?? HELL NO.
I would give up everything I have in less than a heartbeat if it would guarantee a fair world for everyone.
Quote:

Self-preservation runs this planet and always will. Nothing ELSE is sustainable.
Well then, you had better do a better job with that self-preservation. Because letting the 0.1% rob you blind isn't going to do it; making enemies when you should be cooperating with others isn't going to do it; and leaving a meaner, poorer planet for your child isn't going to do it.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:45 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I would give up everything I have in less than a heartbeat if it would guarantee a fair world for everyone.





It wouldn't.
It's not going to.
No one here is interested in being a pure socialist. Ever.

EVERYONE but YOU knows that if you were to hand out all you own that you would be stabbed in the back by the system, the people, whatever, eventually....because it isn't even REMOTELY REALISTIC. You CANNOT deprogram greed or self-preservation, even with a good brainwashing program.

THIS ISN'T THE WINDMILL YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, DON QUIXOTE.

LEARN, GODDAMN IT.



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Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:54 PM

WISHIMAY


I'm done. We've had this discussion several times, your "anti-biotics are the result of socialism" thing has been thoroughly debunked in the past, and you keep spouting the same tired crap.

Just like I've had the "infrared heaters are not evil conversation" twice before with 6ix, you just can't fix some things.


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Sunday, September 17, 2017 8:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"anti-biotics are the result of socialism" They are a result of societal investment. "has been thoroughly debunked in the past" Then you should have no problem debunking it now. But you can't seem to, not even a little bit.

Yanno, if you don't care to discuss something, that's fine. I have no need for your agreement. So, go flouncing out of the discussion saying "I win". That's ok.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 8:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
DO you plan on handing it over to the starving if your ideals come true?? HELL NO.

This was your question. It's very hypothetical. I ANSWERED THE QUESTION EXACTLY AS ASKED. But NOW you're ragging on me for not addressing the question you DIDN'T ask?
OK. I'm just going to point out you look kinda stupid.
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
It wouldn't.
It's not going to.
No one here is interested in being a pure socialist. Ever.
EVERYONE but YOU knows that if you were to hand out all you own that you would be stabbed in the back by the system, the people, whatever, eventually....because it isn't even REMOTELY REALISTIC. You CANNOT deprogram greed or self-preservation, even with a good brainwashing program.
THIS ISN'T THE WINDMILL YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, DON QUIXOTE.
LEARN, GODDAMN IT.






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 8:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm just going to point out to anyone with an interest that these links are only a small fraction of the research going into getting around antibiotic resistance. And every single one of them was funded, at least in part, by federal grant money.

One of the more stellar successes is the development of teixobactin, effective against gram positive and acid-fast bacteria (staph, strep, mycobacterium), but not gram negative bacteria (E coli, Pseudomonas, Klebsiella).

So right off the bat, this antibiotic is no magic bullet. It leaves an entire host of deadly pathogens untouched. Still, it represents an important breakthrough in getting around antibiotic resistance.

However, research wouldn't have been done without government help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teixobactin
The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health and German research agencies (some co-authors are based at the University of Bonn).
In early 2015, human clinical trials of teixobactin were predicted to be at least two years away. One co-discoverer estimated a drug development cost "in the low $100-millions" on a five to six year schedule.[14] Pharmaceutical companies have been reluctant to make such investments in new antibiotics, because their wide prescription is likely to be discouraged in order to retard development of resistance, which has come to be considered almost inevitable.



https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/08/mutations-key-antibio
tic-resistance-identified


https://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/08/antibiotic-superteam-could-quas
h-invincible-superbug


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/06/simple-method-measures-how-long-bac
teria-can-wait-out-antibiotics


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/05/researchers-find-antibiotic-resista
nt-genes-four-california-parks


https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/05/improved-antibiotic-p
acks-punch-against-bacterial-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/fda-panel-narrowly-backs-cempra-ant
ibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/09/researchers-develop-new-weapon-hard
-treat-bacterial-infections


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/11/chemists-achieve-break
through-antibacterial-drug-research


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2017/02/scientists-get-closer-developing-ne
w-antibiotic-fight-against-antimicrobial-resistance


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/brazilian-peppertree-m
ay-pack-power-knock-out-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/02/deep-water-sponge-could-help-figh
t-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/brute-force-can-overco
me-antibiotic-resistance


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-tre
atment-could-help-beat-bacteria


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help
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https://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/2-antibiotics-fight-bacteria-diffe
rently-thought


http://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/01/better-diagnosis-fungal-infections-k
ey-reducing-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/supercomputer-simulations-help-deve
lop-new-approach-fight-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-trea
tment-could-help-beat-bacteria


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/key-evolutionary-catalyst-antibioti
c-resistance-identified


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/11/supercomputer-helps-fight-antibio
tic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/09/researchers-develop-new-weapon-hard
-treat-bacterial-infections


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/06/medicines-company-announces-positiv
e-phase-3-results-antibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals
?

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/10/killing-superbugs-tasm
anian-devil-milk


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-government-incentives-20160711-snap-story.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-antibiotic-resistance
-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/health/std-gonorrhea-azithromycin-resist
ance/index.html


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/05/studying-hot-spots-antibiotic-resis
tance


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-antibiotic-resistance
-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-government-incentives-20160711-snap-story.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/08/ultrafast-method-dete
rmining-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/antibiotic-resistance-
burgeoning-problem-kids-too


https://www.rdmag.com/news/2017/07/antibiotic-resistance-gaining-resis
tance-just-start


https://www.dddmag.com/news/2017/07/major-breakthrough-battle-against-
antibiotic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/11/supercomputer-helps-fight-antibio
tic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/01/drug-resistant-bacteria-growing-p
roblem-hospitals


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-spread-20160711-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft06a-1li2


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-antibiotic-resista
nce-teixobactin-20160711-snap-story.html


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/04/tick-protein-helps-ant
ibiotics-combat-mrsa-super-bug


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/10/killing-superbugs-tasm
anian-devil-milk


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/11/chemists-achieve-break
through-antibacterial-drug-research


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/04/synthetic-mucus-helps-fight-antib
iotic-resistance


http://www.rdmag.com/article/2017/05/researchers-uncover-another-tool-
fight-superbugs


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http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/03/who-releases-rogues-ga
llery-resistant-germs


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ibiotic


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c-resistance-identified


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/simple-changes-mrsa-antibiotic-trea
tment-could-help-beat-bacteria


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/11/supercomputer-simulations-help-deve
lop-new-approach-fight-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/12/fighting-antimicrobial-resistance-s
martphones


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/how-are-dreaded-multidrug-resistant
-pathogens-brought-hospitals
?

http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/08/rapid-bacterial-infection-test-redu
ces-antibiotic-use


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/study-investigates-whether-it-safe-
gps-prescribe-fewer-antibiotics


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/07/three-drug-combinations-could-help-
counter-antibiotic-resistance


http://www.dddmag.com/news/2016/05/studying-hot-spots-antibiotic-resis
tance


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e-phase-3-results-antibiotic


http://www.dddmag.com/article/2017/02/fighting-antimicrobial-resistanc
e-calls-collaboration


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ria


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d-recipe-new-antibiotics


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-bacteria-revealed


http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/web/2017/03/Dual-therapy-first-weakens-
kills-antibiotic-resistant-pathogens.html


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ansmit-pathogens


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ance/index.html








Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 9:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Shouldn't a couple of feminists like you two be saving all of that energy for fighting the big bad patriarchy?

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 9:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You seem to be under the impression women are the cause of all bad things.

Are you?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:53 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Shouldn't a couple of feminists like you two be saving all of that energy for fighting the big bad patriarchy?




NO, because I've also proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it would take more energy than the whole of womenkind to militantly combat the stupidity that exists in a patriarchal system.

Yet another thing that isn't worth it. Because... PEOPLE.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 11:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, drat. I posted because this is an interesting topic to me. I was hoping to just have some conversation about it. Instead, I got everything but.

Peace out.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 4:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
You seem to be under the impression women are the cause of all bad things.

Are you?



Nah... That would be pretty stupid to say. We haven't had a female president to screw things up yet, although I'm sure she will when it happens. So far though, the men have been doing quite a fine job on their own in that department.

I was just making an observation about the two of you. This thread does an excellent job illustrating your natural behavior towards everyone else. The both of you are the most argumentative people on this board by a factor of 10, and neither of you will ever back down from an argument once you've dug your heels in.

I've known Signy since I've signed up here, and I don't think I've ever had a single argument with her. I'm sure in all that time we must have disagreed about something, but I can't recall ever having an argument.

OONJ and Brenda just seem like pretty wonderful people all around...

No... Women aren't the problem, just because you both happen to be one. The common denominator here that I see is Feminism. Feminists are just annoying people. Their very existence is superfluous today, and since they have nothing real to fight against anymore they just fight about everything and blame men when they don't get their way.

Don't stop the argument Kiki. I was finding this thread pretty entertaining.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 11:55 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:


I've known Signy since I've signed up here, and I don't think I've ever had a single argument with her. I'm sure in all that time we must have disagreed about something, but I can't recall ever having an argument.

OONJ and Brenda just seem like pretty wonderful people all around.



You aren't capable of having a thought that is important enough to argue with. You don't know anything about anything that isn't about YOU. You don't even seem to get that for the past five years EVERYONE has been avoiding you because you were just another drunken idiot.
Not-surprisingly, the only thing you can contribute to this thread or any other is to act like Jerry Springer, or blather on about your own mediocre life.

Go get a life and maybe someone will want to talk to you about it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 12:03 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Their very existence is superfluous today



The fact you think someone else's life is superfluous is THE VERY DEFINITION OF HYPOCRACY.

I'd take a boatload of feminists, including kiki, over just ONE of you.
At least, as incredibly misguided as she is... she means well, whereas YOU DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.

I'd take a dozen Millenials glued to their phones over you.

I think I'd even invite a carload of Mormons in then spend ten minutes talking to YOU.

For shit's sake, go learn to do something other than be a misogynist...

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Monday, September 18, 2017 12:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

neither of you will ever back down from an argument once you've dug your heels in
I'm OK with being proven wrong. But someone has to come up with facts, links, and a better argument to do it. Wishi didn't come up with anything except easily disproved claims, and you didn't come up with anything except personal snark.
You may find it hard to believe that anyone here has genuine expertise - or even that irl they know more than you. But this is one of my areas of knowledge. So instead of sniping about feminism, maybe you could consider learning something about a topic you don't know much about, from someone who knows more than you.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:07 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

neither of you will ever back down from an argument once you've dug your heels in
I'm OK with being proven wrong. But someone has to come up with facts, links, and a better argument to do it. Wishi didn't come up with anything except easily disproved claims, and you didn't come up with anything except personal snark.
You may find it hard to believe that anyone here has genuine expertise - or even that irl they know more than you. But this is one of my areas of knowledge. So instead of sniping about feminism, maybe you could consider learning something about a topic you don't know much about, from someone who knows more than you.



Fair enough. I'm sure you know a lot more about it than I do. Great to hear that there are strides being made to prolong the Human Virus on the planet. :)



You don't really argue points though. After a post or two you devolve into personal attacks, just as Wishy does. You're obviously a very intelligent and educated person, but in the end you look exactly the same as Wishy does when she throws her temper tantrums and starts spewing her hate.

I'm just ignoring Wishy because everything she types deserves to be ignored.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I REPLY to personal attacks with personal attacks. Signy tries really hard not to do that, but lets a lot of undeserved personal abuse go by in the process. I'm not as patient.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:19 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Maybe if I'll have time I'll do some digging. I'm quite certain I can find a thread or two where you started the personal attacks with me. I'm not going to speak for other people.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Great. Not ironic with rolled eyes, either.

Send a pm to my email when you post. I'm only here now and again. If your post rolls down off the homepage, I might not see it.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 10:14 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Here you go:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61599&p=3

Quote:

You're free to have whatever opinion you want, but I reject the notion that I don't deserve what I have today.
-6

Quote:

You don't. Not in a system that rewards things like sex, skin color, and height.
-1Kiki

Quote:

Or that I only have what I own today simply because of some systemic oppression of non-whites or women.
-6

Quote:

You do.

You're a raving egomaniac that has soured into Social Darwinism, racism and sexism. I'm just waiting for you to officially become a Nazi and promote the cause of eliminating undesirables. You already agree with it, you just don't want to make the effort - at the moment.

-1Kiki

Things devolved quickly from there.

Taking away the smart decisions I've made with my money (which is an average income of around $12,000/yr. since I began working) and saying that the only reason I am where I am today is because I'm a white male is a personal attack, albeit passive aggressive.

Raving Egomaniac?

Calling me a Nazi before Reaverfan even did?




If you read the conversation before those responses from you there wasn't any arguing or personal attacks that led to that.

Just sayin'

-------------------

PM Sent.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The hype:
Quote:

There is no "overpayment" in EIC. These women aren't breaking any tax laws. It wasn't all Obama either. The Feminists want to bitch about the gender wage gap, but with nearly 50% of Americans making below poverty almost half of American Women get paid more than men for the same job because of the EIC.
The reality:
Quote:


To qualify for and claim the Earned Income Credit you must:

Have earned income; and
Have been a U.S. citizen or resident alien for the entire tax year; and
Have a valid Social Security number (not an ITIN) for yourself, your spouse (if filing jointly), and any qualifying children on your return; and
Not have investment income exceeding $3,400; and
Not be filing a Form 2555 or 2555-EZ; and
File a return with the Single, Married Filing Jointly, Head of Household, or Qualifying Widower filing status, even if you're not required to file a return.

In addition, both your earned income and Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) may not exceed:

$14,880 if you're not claiming a qualifying child ($20,430 if filing jointly);
$39,296 if you're claiming 1 qualifying child ($44,846 if filing jointly);
$44,648 if you're claiming 2 qualifying children ($50,198 if filing jointly);
$47,955 if you're claiming 3+ qualifying children ($53,505 if filing jointly).

One more thing – if you're not claiming a qualifying child:

You (or your jointly filing spouse) must have been born on or after January 1, 1951; and
You (or your jointly filing spouse) must have been born on or before December 31, 1991; and
You (and your jointly filing spouse) cannot be claimed as a qualifying child or dependent on anyone else's return.

There's nothing there about being female. But I guess we don't need no stinkin' facts!
Quote:

(re EIC) it wasn't Obama's idea although he happily went along with it and touted it as good. The government as a whole for quite some time has been heading this way, but that whole thing is another discussion that involves quite a bit of MGTOW ideas that I agree with but would derail this thread. ... Stefan Moleneux and some others have some videos on the subject, particularly the idea of Government supplying women with many alternative means for sustenance for themselves and their children without the need for a male to be in the picture to provide for them.
The nerve of those women, not being dependent on men.
Then you strawman my post:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The employment problems in the US don't look to be about women in the workforce.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I didn't say they were.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:Then maybe you shouldn't have made such a point of it?
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm not saying that women should stay in the kitchen and make babies. I'm just stating the harsh reality that I never hear anybody talking about. The amount of illegal Mexicans or H1B visas out there is a drop in the bucket compared to females entering the work force when it came to job competition.

And when you can't refute it, you resort to snark:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol... You would basically be Second if you agreed on politics.

And when I point out the logic-fail in your argument
Quote:

YOUR solution would lead too 77% unemployment (the 27% who are already not participating, though they can, plus the 50% you want to leave work).
Is that what you're going for?

AND it would double the workload of those who are left employed.
Is that what you're going for?

That's how your simple math works out.
Is that what you're going for?

once again you duck with a dismissive response.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol

Here you display a basic misunderstanding of, and hostility towards, feminism:
Quote:

feminism had a lot more to do with it. Anything you can do, I can do better.... right? ... women are idiots for fighting for the right to work and be miserable like the men were
Jeeze what a crock. Because all women are married, and all women with children have reliable husbands with good jobs who dutifully support their families. .... right? So, why SHOULD women be paid the same for doing the same job? .... right? Why SHOULD women have equal opportunities? .... right?

And then there's your your argument for weeding out the weak!
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If we had pure Capitalism where everything was equal as far as opportunity and it was an actual merit based system where those who worked the hardest and/or the smartest actually were able to make something of themselves, and those who didn't do anything were not provided for by the government then Darwinism would take root and only the smartest and toughest would make it and population control would happen under natural selection. A very tough pill for a lot of people to swallow, this option, but a few generations from now would see a Human Race of the highest caliber and most driven united people ever known.

And doubled down:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
What we are living under now is generations of government subsidized Dysgenics, where often the stupidest, weakest and least able to fend for themselves are the ones that are rewarded for having children. What did you think would happen? ... in many ways the most poor anywhere are the ones least equipped to survive on their own. There are always exceptions to the rule, but let's not start going all SJW and pretending that this isn't generally the truth ... Stupid and weak people are poor because they are weak and stupid. This would happen regardless of the existence of a meritocracy or not.
... In the animal kingdom where there is no welfare these people would not procreate because they would have already been eaten. .....

Someone else made an argument very similar to that. And the name of the philosophy is Nazism. It's too bad you object to being called a Nazi, but it's what you believe.
Oh let's not forget Agenda 2030!
Quote:

It doesn't make sense to me that the 1% of the 1% aren't coming up with a plan of population control as we speak.
You make statements completely at odds with reality ...
Quote:

Since most of us don't voluntarily curb our reproduction
... because apparently you never heard of the demographic transition and dropping birth rates (even below replacement) in countries with high standards of living.
You support your error with really racist (and untrue, btw) statements
Quote:

White people in Westernized society have low birth rates. There is not low birth rates in any other demographic in Westernized societies. ...



Yes, those darn women shouldn't be uppity and expect any kind of independence from a man. And all those poor, inferior, non-white people should just die, already, like they're supposed to. And you got no benefit being a white male getting accepted into a group of white males where money was flowing.



I'm sorry you got offended being called what you are. But it's what you are.






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:21 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Well, I tried.

I'd love to hear what other people think about this one.



I didn't personally attack you first, was my point. You did.







EDIT:

BTW... you do realize that you seem to be perfectly okay with Identity Politics when it suits you, don't you?

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Social Darwinism, racism and sexism - that's you in all those glorious quotes.

But if you want to dispute how I characterized you, then PROVE ME WRONG. Explain how you didn't really post those things you posted, or didn't mean the words you used, or that they don't mean you are those ideas you espouse.



BTW - I'd be 'into' identity politics if I thought those things you are should have real-world consequences for you. But nowhere have I expressed that. All I did was point out that, by your own words, that's what you very evidently are.

Once again, you misrepresented me.






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:29 AM

6STRINGJOKER


You called me a Nazi.

You called me a raving egomaniac.


I don't have to disprove any of those things. They were insults, they were unwarranted. I had not at all attacked you or your character before you said these things about me.

You asked for an example, and I gave you one.





You also say that nothing I do in my life matters because I have white male privlidge that takes the credit for anything good in my life.

That statement is Identity Politics. The very fact that you call yourself a Feminist is textbook Identity Politics.



Call all of this whatever you will. I will be sure to point out any time in the future where you attack others first. I'm certain this won't be the last time you've done it.

I thought maybe you would have taken a good look in the mirror when you had it pointed out to you.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You called me a Nazi.

No, I didn't.
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You're a raving egomaniac that has soured into Social Darwinism, racism and sexism.
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You called me a raving egomaniac.
True.
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They were insults, they were unwarranted.
After you lied about what *I* had posted, lied about the facts, lied about what you'd already posted, insulted whole categories of people (women, and especially women who work who work, and by extension - me), and decided that the poor (mostly non-whites) were too unfit to be kept alive, dodged the facts you couldn't address, and did everything in your power to be dishonest.
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my EIC will only be around $200/yr, but many of the women I worked with at my last job were getting between $400-$600/month in food stamps and $6,000-$12,000/yr in EIC (you forgot they're supporting CHILDREN, DOOD) ... The Feminists want to bitch about the gender wage gap, but with nearly 50% of Americans making below poverty almost half of American Women get paid more than men for the same job because of the EIC (what about those CHILDREN, DOOD?) ... No professionals should have unions (because instead of raising poor people up we need to devalue others) ... the idea of Government supplying women with many alternative means for sustenance for themselves and their children without the need for a male to be in the picture to provide for them (yes. god forbid women have independent lives) ... Jesus Christ...Whatever second ... lol... You would basically be Second if you agreed on politics ...You also say that nothing I do in my life matters because I have white male privlidge that takes the credit for anything good in my life. (I was responding to what you posted - that you DESERVE what you have today.) I reject the notion that I don't deserve what I have today. (DOOD - you may deserve SOME things - but not EVERYTHING. Because some advantages you got for free - by being a white male.) I thought maybe you would have taken a good look in the mirror when you had it pointed out to you. ... lol (No answer to simple questions about the simple math in your own post. I got that.) ... I don't believe what they teach in school or what they say on the news (which is probably your excuse for never posting facts or doing any research - that would hamper the bullshit) ... Anything you can do, I can do better.... right? ... Let the adults talk. Don't you have another thread or three that you're helping destroy? ... generations of government subsidized Dysgenics, where often the stupidest, weakest and least able to fend for themselves are the ones that are rewarded for having children ... those who didn't do anything were not provided for by the government then Darwinism would take root and only the smartest and toughest would make it and population control would happen under natural selection - a few generations from now would see a Human Race of the highest caliber and most driven united people ever known ... I will not respond again to you here and allow you to derail and destroy another topic ... Logic and reason are hard things to deal with having when most people you talk to don't measure up...when it comes to issues such as this, the liberals are on the short end of that stick because the dumbest people at the bottom of the food chain tend to congregate there ... White people in Westernized society have low birth rates. There is not low birth rates in any other demographic in Westernized societies. ... the most poor anywhere are the ones least equipped to survive on their own. There are always exceptions to the rule, but let's not start going all SJW and pretending that this isn't generally the truth. ... Stupid and weak people are poor because they are weak and stupid. ... That's just called survival of the fittest. In the animal kingdom where there is no welfare these people would not procreate because they would have already been eaten. ... I reject the notion that...I only have what I own today simply because of some systemic oppression of non-whites or women (nobody EXCEPT YOU said 'only' Jack. There you go ... lying again.) ... It's foolish and self-destructive behavior to just say that there is absolutely no benefit to hard work ... (and nobody EXCEPT YOU said that either, Jack. There you go ... lying again.) ...





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:08 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Wow. You've got problems, lady.

Continue arguing with yourself about this one.

I'll point out to you in the future when you attack people unprovoked.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And I'll point out your dishonesties, your snark, your insults, your dismissals, your lack of facts, your inability to address facts, your dismissal of facts, and your demeaning and insulting whole categories of people.

Sound like a deal?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:22 PM

WISHIMAY


6ix...you walk into a room and say something you know is gonna piss people off and then when you get yelled at for saying something stupid you play victim.

Seriously, do you need a man to ride up on a white horse and save you, Pollyanna?

Do you have some sort of victim fetish?



And Kiki, learn when you're being trolled.


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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:16 PM

6STRINGJOKER


lol. Dishonesty? Show me where I lied here, ever. You sound like G or T when you say that.

I'll admit to the snark, and the occasional insult.


The rest, coming from you, is subjective bullshit that I won't take credit for.



Once again, Wishy is being ignored. :)

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:36 AM

WISHIMAY


At least I haven't been ignored for five years. :P

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I thought this was a thread on antibiotic resistance. How wrong I was!

KIKI, SIX ... FWIW

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my EIC will only be around $200/yr, but many of the women I worked with at my last job were getting between $400-$600/month in food stamps and $6,000-$12,000/yr in EIC - SIX

you forgot they're supporting CHILDREN, DOOD - KIKI



Nowhere in EIC does it say that one must be a woman to get EIC for supporting children. SIX, if you want equal EIC, adopt a crap-ton of kids. EIC will be YOURS! And you'll find out that EIC doesn't make up for the expense and involvement of raising children. If you do it right, raising children is WORK.

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... The Feminists want to bitch about the gender wage gap, but with nearly 50% of Americans making below poverty almost half of American Women get paid more than men for the same job because of the EIC ... SIX

what about those CHILDREN, DOOD? - KIKI



Again, there is nothing in EIC that says you have to be female to get it. Here's the thing: MEN supply half of the genes of those children. Why are THEY not stepping up to the plate to raise the children that they fathered?

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... No professionals should have unions - SIX
because instead of raising poor people up we need to devalue others= KIKI

SIX, I have no idea where your grotch against "professionals" came from, except that you resent anyone who went to college. "Professionals" may be a few rungs higher on the socioeconomic ladder, but THEY aren't deciding how the economy is supposed to run, either. They're as unrepresented as you.

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the idea of Government supplying women with many alternative means for sustenance for themselves and their children without the need for a male to be in the picture to provide for them - SIX
yes. god forbid women have independent lives - KIKI

This wouldn't be necessary if .... and I repeat ... men stepped up to the plate to help raise the children that they fathered. Yes, it takes two to have children, but women, by and large, are left to raise the children that they bear while men, by and large, walk away. (1) If you don't want to see women getting EIC for fatherless children, keep your pants zipped. (2) If you can't do that, use a condom, (3) and if you can't do that, be a father to your children.

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Jesus Christ...Whatever second ... lol... You would basically be Second if you agreed on politics ...You also say that nothing I do in my life matters because I have white male privlidge [sic] that takes the credit for anything good in my life. - SIX

I was responding to what you posted - that you DESERVE what you have today.- KIKI

I reject the notion that I don't deserve what I have today. - SIX

DOOD - you may deserve SOME things - but not EVERYTHING. Because some advantages you got for free - by being a white male. - KIKI

Nobody gets what they "deserve" today. NOBODY.

MOST people deserve much, much MORE, and a tiny few "deserve" so much less!

Quibbling about whether you "deserve" an extra 25% more or less, when in reality you BOTH deserve at least double whatever you're earning ... sorry, but how does that math work? This is fighting over crumbs. Yes, we should have a true meritocracy. Clearly, we don't, otherwise the top 25 tech money-grabbers wouldn't be making more than all of the kindergarten teachers COMBINED. Can we all agree that we really need to be focusing on the BIG inequalities, while committing to working out the little ones later?

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I don't believe what they teach in school or what they say on the news - SIX

which is probably your excuse for never posting facts or doing any research - that would hamper the bullshit - KIKI

... Anything you can do, I can do better.... right? ... Let the adults talk. Don't you have another thread or three that you're helping destroy? ... generations of government subsidized Dysgenics, where often the stupidest, weakest and least able to fend for themselves are the ones that are rewarded for having children

DOOD, that also means the other half of the gene pool who scattered their sperm and walked away

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... those who didn't do anything were not provided for by the government then Darwinism would take root and only the smartest and toughest would make it and population control would happen under natural selection - a few generations from now would see a Human Race of the highest caliber and most driven united people ever known ... I will not respond again to you here and allow you to derail and destroy another topic ... Logic and reason are hard things to deal with having when most people you talk to don't measure up...when it comes to issues such as this, the liberals are on the short end of that stick because the dumbest people at the bottom of the food chain tend to congregate there ... White people in Westernized society have low birth rates. There is not low birth rates in any other demographic in Westernized societies. ... the most poor anywhere are the ones least equipped to survive on their own. There are always exceptions to the rule, but let's not start going all SJW and pretending that this isn't generally the truth. ... Stupid and weak people are poor because they are weak and stupid. ... That's just called survival of the fittest. In the animal kingdom where there is no welfare these people would not procreate because they would have already been eaten. ... I reject the notion that...I only have what I own today simply because of some systemic oppression of non-whites or women - SIX
Wow, that's a lot of bullcrap, SIX! There are all kinds of reasons why people are poor, but much of that has to do with wealthy sociopaths dominating governments and the military. Are you saying we should all be sociopaths? Is THAT the preferred end-goal of evolution?

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nobody EXCEPT YOU said 'only' Jack. There you go ... lying again.- KIKI
True, that.

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... It's foolish and self-destructive behavior to just say that there is absolutely no benefit to hard work ... - SIX

and nobody EXCEPT YOU said that either, Jack. There you go ... lying again. - KIKI

Hmmm... SIX, you seem to be arguing with the voices in your head, and not fully reading or comprehending what is posted here. There seems to be a lot of that going around ...


All in all, I find "men v women" and "whites v nowhites" to be not only misdirected, but also a manipulated argument. It would be folly to deny that prejudice exists. Confusingly, it exists in both camps, but overall the net effect is prejudice AGAINST women and AGAINST non-whites. Still, in the grand scheme of things, even if a "white male" makes 1.6 times as much as a "black woman" http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women-have-to-work-7-months-into-2017-to
-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016
/ do you have ANY IDEA HOW MUCH MORE THE TOP 0.01% make, compared to everyone else???

And, to be honest, NONE of us ordinary people have ANY control over which way society and the economy go, compare to the top 0.01%. Arguing that the stupid ordinary people have more say than the smart ordinary people ... REALLY??? I hate to tell you this, but whether you think you're smart OR stupid, you're all in the same boat unless you're in that top 0.01%. All of your hard work, your frugality ... it's invisible from the top, yanno? We're all just struggling in the system that was decided elsewhere.

We're all just birdshit on the bottom of the cage.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:25 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
At least I haven't been ignored for five years. :P



It was four years. But I accept that.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:35 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

We're all just birdshit on the bottom of the cage.



BTW... I did keep a condom on it. Sometimes it doesn't work. I didn't get a chance to raise the child because she made up her mind to kill it.

A majority of women who are on EIC are not because of fathers who walked away. They are because their fathers are in prison, usually for trivial crimes like selling weed. Thanks, Slick Willy.

I never claimed that raising kids was an easy job or that the EIC money and other benefits goes very far. That wasn't even part of my argument.

My argument was that because they have children, they end up getting paid twice what I get paid for the exact same job. The sting of this for me personally is that I work so much harder at a job than any of my male or female peers and I was working at a company that did not reward this behavior at all on top of it.



Woe be on to you if you ever get into it with Kiki. She will confuse you by talking about so many things at once and make you say contradictory things if you're not careful. I was still somewhat recovering from a 4 year crippling addiction and my mind was a bit muddled. I wouldn't even take her bait anymore. She's an expert at arguing. Look at her. She lives for it. I think you're the only person on the board that hasn't fought with her.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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We're all just birdshit on the bottom of the cage. - SIGNY

BTW... I did keep a condom on it. Sometimes it doesn't work. I didn't get a chance to raise the child because she made up her mind to kill it. - SIX

Yeah, I understand that men may desire a chance at posterity via children. Despite the fact that I understand that feeling, I have a strict responsibility = authority rule on decisions like this, and since (during the nine months of pregnancy) it's women who get morning sickness, who may suffer from the negative professional or social effects of being unmarried and pregnant, and who face the physical risks of childbirth, IMHO men aren't the decision-makers in this situation.

Just OOC, if you knew that the father wasn't you, would you still feel the same? In other words, was this a desire to be a father, or a desire to nurture your genes?

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A majority of women who are on EIC are not because of fathers who walked away. They are because their fathers are in prison, usually for trivial crimes like selling weed. Thanks, Slick Willy.

I never claimed that raising kids was an easy job or that the EIC money and other benefits goes very far. That wasn't even part of my argument.

My argument was that because they have children, they end up getting paid twice what I get paid for the exact same job. The sting of this for me personally is that I work so much harder at a job than any of my male or female peers and I was working at a company that did not reward this behavior at all on top of it.- SIX

Well, you sure seem to resent the women who got it.

Our whole society and culture doesn't value raising children. There's less room for the pregnant woman in any sort of profession; ads (which tell us what's desirable) focus entirely on young individuals having a lot of fun through excess consumption ... not a baby to be seen anywhere. There is also almost no accounting for people who take care of elderly or sick family members; the people who do this life-sucking work are primarily (but not always) women. I know that with overpopulation we don't need hordes of women wanting to crank out lots of babies, but raising children, like taking care of the sick and elderly, is HARD WORK.

You hate government-mandated schooling and you resent EIC, and if there was program where people taking care of the sick and elderly would get a boost to their paychecks you'd probably hate that too. So, do you think that kind of work is necessary for society to survive If so, how do you accommodate it so that people who take care of their children and grandchildren, their sick, and their elderly, are rewarded ... or at least accommodated ... for that work?

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Woe be on to you if you ever get into it with Kiki. She will confuse you by talking about so many things at once and make you say contradictory things if you're not careful. I was still somewhat recovering from a 4 year crippling addiction and my mind was a bit muddled. I wouldn't even take her bait anymore. She's an expert at arguing. Look at her. She lives for it. I think you're the only person on the board that hasn't fought with her.
Oh, I manage to argue a lot all on my own!

Hey SIX, I may not agree with you all of the time, but I find that you're very seldom righteous. There's too much righteousness here, including me, so I'm going to try and follow your example.

*****

Back to our regularly scheduled topic.


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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:16 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:


My argument was that because they have children, they end up getting paid twice what I get paid for the exact same job. The sting of this for me personally is that I work so much harder at a job than any of my male or female peers and I was working at a company that did not reward this behavior at all on top of it.




I'm SURE you were a saint to work with.

BTW, IF YOU HAD A FAMILY YOU WOULD GET PAID MORE THAN SINGLE MOTHERS, OR SINGLE WORKERS.

NO ONE IS KEEPING YOU DOWN.... BUT YOU.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:46 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, I understand that men may desire a chance at posterity via children. Despite the fact that I understand that feeling, I have a strict responsibility = authority rule on decisions like this, and since (during the nine months of pregnancy) it's women who get morning sickness, who may suffer from the negative professional or social effects of being unmarried and pregnant, and who face the physical risks of childbirth, IMHO men aren't the decision-makers in this situation.



There should be some sort of comprimise. I know that you don't deal in absolutes either. There are half as many different situations as there are people involved in every different pregnancy, and I don't appreciate how the slant is 100% against men right now.

I would never have pushed for an abortion, because I personally believe that this is murder. That's not any sort of religion speaking, it's just my personal view on the matter. That being said, if I did push for it but she wanted to have the kid, I would be paying child support for the kid that I may or may not even get to see to this day.

Another thing I don't appreciate is when somebody says that you should keep it in your pants. Last I checked, it takes two to tango.

It's not that I don't get where you're coming from. The woman does have to deal with unwed pregnancy, interference at work or loss of a job, and all of the other things that come with the nine months. I just don't understand how this gives her 100% of control in the situation. She can decide to murder the baby or make the man pay for the next 18 years at whatever her whim is.

I don't know an ideal solution to this. I just know that this one size fits all approach is not right.

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Just OOC, if you knew that the father wasn't you, would you still feel the same? In other words, was this a desire to be a father, or a desire to nurture your genes?


That's a good question. Unfortunately, all these years later I don't think I can give you an objective answer to that. I'm a hell of a lot more jaded now than I was back then, for this and many other reasons. I did love her, or at least I think I did... But because of my beliefs about abortions I found her to be a monster after the fact. Everything happened so quickly I didn't have any time to think about any of it and after it was over I buried it for many, many years.

I'm just a different person now. I don't think I'd make a good father at all today, or even a long term mate. I love living alone. I find occasional companionship for a change of pace, but it never really lasts long. Maybe deep down I was always like this. I'd like to think that I would have made a good father back then though...

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Well, you sure seem to resent the women who got it.


I resent the fact that they got it. I don't resent them personally. The woman with the four kids was actually pretty great and had been to a few of my small parties for people from work. When I fell down the stairs and nearly broke my back and writhed in agony for about 3 days without sleep she came right over and gave me some muscle relaxants (since I wouldn't accept her offer for any pain pills).

I can't even really say that I resent the fact that they got it because I know her kids are pretty decent and she does a good job raising them on her own. Who knows what trouble they'd be getting into if they didn't have that extra money to stay afloat?

There was a lot of stuff going on in that conversation with Kiki there, and this is one of those examples where she comes at you from many different angles and makes you say things that appear to be contradictory if you aren't paying attention to the whole conversation and didn't pick up on that and read things out of context.

This whole issue was brought up about the BS "Gender Wage Gap". Obama comes out and talks about it like it's a real thing, so the less intelligent people I work with that just listen to sound bytes actually start to believe that if they're women I am making more than they do for the same job, which is absolutely illegal. And the truth is, in my area, many of the women who worked at that job had kids, and because of the EIC they actually made quite a bit more for the same job than I did (regardless of how hard I worked), was my point.

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Our whole society and culture doesn't value raising children. There's less room for the pregnant woman in any sort of profession; ads (which tell us what's desirable) focus entirely on young individuals having a lot of fun through excess consumption ... not a baby to be seen anywhere. There is also almost no accounting for people who take care of elderly or sick family members; the people who do this life-sucking work are primarily (but not always) women. I know that with overpopulation we don't need hordes of women wanting to crank out lots of babies, but raising children, like taking care of the sick and elderly, is HARD WORK.

You hate government-mandated schooling and you resent EIC, and if there was program where people taking care of the sick and elderly would get a boost to their paychecks you'd probably hate that too. So, do you think that kind of work is necessary for society to survive If so, how do you accommodate it so that people who take care of their children and grandchildren, their sick, and their elderly, are rewarded ... or at least accommodated ... for that work?



I think that taking care of your elderly is going to be a necessity in the near future. My parents generation might be the last that gets to enjoy a decent retirement with their social security payouts and nice 401k packages (and a dollar that still is tied to oil and has value).

This is how we lived before. I'm sure we'll figure out how to do it again when times get rough. I've got a big house. Although I abhor the idea of living with my mom again, our relationship has improved greatly over the last few years. I've been spending most of the last month helping them remove the horde from their home and pack for their move down to warmer climates and I think I'm really going to miss them when they're gone. It's a shame I was drowning in alcohol the last 4 years and never got together with them much before they decided to uproot their entire life.



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Oh, I manage to argue a lot all on my own!


Yeah. It's hard not to notice that, but it's generally with the same 2 or 3 people who can be absolutely insufferable in large doses. I've known you here for a long time and I've always thought of you as a decent person. It probably doesn't hurt that I think in many ways out of the remaining people here that you and I probably are more in-line with our viewpoints than anybody else.

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Hey SIX, I may not agree with you all of the time, but I find that you're very seldom righteous. There's too much righteousness here, including me, so I'm going to try and follow your example.


I appreciate you noticing and saying so. I haven't really liked myself all that much for many years. My self image has actually greatly improved the last 8 months since I've been sober, and especially the last 2-3 months since I've been doing so much to help out my family with things and started taking pride in my home again.

What's ironic and totally great about this is that the need to defend yourself greatly decreases when things start going right in your life again.

Let the hater's hate.

Whatever makes you happy, right?

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Friday, September 22, 2017 2:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack


Re women and children - and men - this is not a situation that can be resolved through compromise. In the face of differing opinions SOMEbody has to have the authority to make the final decision. If not the woman, the only one left is the man. What kind of society does that look like, where men make that decision for women? I can think of the perfect example - Afghanistan. (BTW, that's an example of a 'patriarchal' society. Where men make all the rules and have all choices and generally run the society.)

I've been trying to imagine what kind of solution would have assuaged your feeling of powerlessness over the abortion. Given that you two pretty obviously came from polar opposite opinions, in a debate you would not have convinced her, nor she you. That leads to the same endpoint - in the face of unalterable opposing positions SOMEbody has to make the final decision.

So, let's say your relationship was different - that you two talked with each other. What if you felt that you had been heard? Not agreed with, but heard, and understood. But in the end she did what she felt she needed to do. Would you still have felt the angst? Was the issue not that you were disagreed with, but that you were discounted? But that's not a 'society' thing, which still would have vested her with the authority to decide - that's a 'you and her' thing - it has to do with the very particular nature of your relationship. And what you resent is that because she had the authority to decide, it also gave her the opportunity to dismiss you from consideration?





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 3:42 AM

6STRINGJOKER


She murdered my child. Society allowed it. End of story.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 6:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
She murdered my child. Society allowed it. End of story.


Murdered?

YOUR child?

What are you, like a dog-owner? Was that fetus your property? I mean, heck, you don't even go 50:50.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 11:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Yeah, I'm usually 50/50 on most things.

I feel very strongly about this though, because it was personal. I'm not a pro lifer because I'm not some religious nut-job, but it was my child. Why call it "our child"? To her, it wasn't. It was just an unfortunate growth, like a tumor, that simply needed to be removed.

Why should I go 50/50 in this instance. I had 0 percent say in the matter, either way. I've got to live with her whim for the rest of my life. I can only hope that her decision keeps her up at night for the rest of hers.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 1:10 PM

WISHIMAY


*Snort* Yeah, you sure showed her she was better off without you.

You could've moved on and had 5 kids by now if you really wanted to, but you don't, and you don't want to. All you really want to do is whine about it and play the "I'm a victim card" for the rest of your life.

If you were even remotely honest, it isn't about the kid at ALL, it's about the fact she made the choice to cut all ties with you and leave, because you weren't worth it. That's the part that kills you.


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Friday, September 22, 2017 1:18 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Society allowed it.



"Society" should've strapped her down to a table for 8 months, then?? Society should have forced her to risk her life? Society should have forced her to live the effects of giving birth, and to a child she would've had to take care of alone, while you boozed and played Xbox and took no responsibility for not wearing a condom?

You are a Nazi, you just can't admit it. Her quality of life is not less important than yours.

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