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Monday, October 30, 2017 12:28 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
SGG



Could be his way of saying his virility is out of control?
And wimmen just come on to him?
Not to worry about war-monger. :)


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Most people do not wish to live under the misguided morale restrictions a bible thumper would place upon them.






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Monday, October 30, 2017 8:43 PM

OONJERAH


I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"

Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.

Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.


"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million, but I
was just as happy when I had $48 million." ~Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:48 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:

About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.

Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)


I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a


Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Well Oonj, think of it this way.....it's a Law & Order episode where the culprits are pulling a heist while feigning interest in politics.

Always follow the money; that and power affecting people's lives seems to be the rule of the day. These are criminals nonetheless, they are up to no good no matter what collar they wear.

Hope that simplifies things for you.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"

Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.

Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.


"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million, but I
was just as happy when I had $48 million." ~Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I think it's much simpler than that.

He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:

About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.

Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)


I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a


Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Zerohedge...The staff there hide their identities.


Yeah, I kinda noticed that when I saw the byline for a story...Tyler Durden.
I would hide my identity too. I just chuckled and moved on.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Quote: Me

Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities. What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more. - THUGR

Quote:SIG

Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, the possibility of me being a Russian troll is so remote as to be nonexistent. I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)



I deal in facts SIG. My post about you is not up for debate.









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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Fact is Mueller has started the ball rolling...so here comes the fun part. Let's see how many rats leave the good ship "Trumpster."

Like I said: Manafort, plus two more cronies Gates and Papa-dope-ulos.

Ahhhh, this is going to be good!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
SGG



Could be his way of saying his virility is out of control?
And wimmen just come on to him?
Not to worry about war-monger. :)


... oooOO}{OOooo ...



Most people do not wish to live under the misguided morale restrictions a bible thumper would place upon them.







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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.

He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.

SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that?

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)

I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a


Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?


Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.

Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Zerohedge...The staff there hide their identities.
Yeah, I kinda noticed that when I saw the byline for a story...Tyler Durden.
I would hide my identity too. I just chuckled and moved on.

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote: Me
Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. - THUGR

Quote:SIG
Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)





So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:05 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.

Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.



Could you translate the above into English, or Americanism? I left my decoder ring in my other jacket.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.

He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.

SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that?

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)

I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a


Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?


Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.

Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.


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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.


No!

I'm all for interpreting the news of the day and commentary so as to raise awareness.
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.

To be honest, I got a kick out of seeing Tyler Durden's name being used, but I would have had more respect for the "reporting" had there been proper attribution and proper identification of the critique or commentary regarding the instant article.


SGG

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:57 AM

THGRRI


It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.

Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb.



Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.


No!

I'm all for interpreting the news of the day and commentary so as to raise awareness.
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.

To be honest, I got a kick out of seeing Tyler Durden's name being used, but I would have had more respect for the "reporting" had there been proper attribution and proper identification of the critique or commentary regarding the instant article.


SGG






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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:40 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.

Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb.

delusions? Good logic.



I've been an escapist* all my life.
Read the fun stuff; ignore the real stuff.
The real stuff was too complex for me anyways.
*& if you love Firefly, you should be, too.

When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.

When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.

My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:59 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.

Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb.

delusions? Good logic.



I've been an escapist* all my life.
Read the fun stuff; ignore the real stuff.
The real stuff was too complex for me anyways.
*& if you love Firefly, you should be, too.

When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.

When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.

My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.

Shiney, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...



Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.

If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.






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Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:42 AM

OONJERAH


THGRRI
Quote:


Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.

If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.





Thank you, THGRRI,
I didn't mean that I'm really stupid. I'm smart about some things,
like math & drawing. I'm not selfish & can't help caring about what's
fair. A society of mutual respect, share & share alike. I understand
about right & wrong at an inter-personal level.

But it turns out in RWED, most folks here post a lot about politics,
power, the law. About what's right or wrong with our country. And
who are the players running our country. Some can share intimate
political details going over decades, with dozens of players that I
never heard of. It's as a blur across my vision. For me, any large
serving of politics is data overload. My brain says, "WhaT?!" ...
"O, nevermind."

An exception is PotUS, Donald Trump. Like SGG, I can't believe
the republicans would nominate him & the people would vote for
him. That seems nuts to me.

But when a thread comes up with a good topic sans politics, I'll
probably take an interest.


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Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
You know what the news is 'supposed' to be before you read it? That's some trick!
I like the links back to original documents, myself.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
You know what the news is 'supposed' to be before you read it? That's some trick!
I like the links back to original documents, myself.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?



That's a good question Oonj, I suppose that could be the reason. Puerto Rican men have been serving in the Armed Forces since they became U.S. citizens, I believe it was 1917, just in time for WWI. I'll look into it and see what I could find.

I hope your friend is alright.



SGG

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"

Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.

Because, apparently, you already know the news.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:48 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know something Oonj, I like when folk own up to not knowing something. I appreciate how you approach your comments and responses here. You're right, not many who will admit it.

There were times when I would forget that, so thanks for giving me a nudge and a point in the right direction. That goes for you too Thgrri. Now I won't go as far as calling someone a troll (well, it is fun to unleash the hounds from time to time), but my general rule of thumb is to try and treat others with a modicum of respect (that is, of course, until they cross the line).

Anywho, I read and watch the news. Then I come here and entertain myself by reading some of the posts here. It can be a real eye-opening experience. But the one thing I can't abide is...well, I'll stop here. Gentlemen, keep on trucking!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
THGRRI
Quote:


Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.

If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.





Thank you, THGRRI,
I didn't mean that I'm really stupid. I'm smart about some things,
like math & drawing. I'm not selfish & can't help caring about what's
fair. A society of mutual respect, share & share alike. I understand
about right & wrong at an inter-personal level.

But it turns out in RWED, most folks here post a lot about politics,
power, the law. About what's right or wrong with our country. And
who are the players running our country. Some can share intimate
political details going over decades, with dozens of players that I
never heard of. It's as a blur across my vision. For me, any large
serving of politics is data overload. My brain says, "WhaT?!" ...
"O, nevermind."

An exception is PotUS, Donald Trump. Like SGG, I can't believe
the republicans would nominate him & the people would vote for
him. That seems nuts to me.

But when a thread comes up with a good topic sans politics, I'll
probably take an interest.


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Friday, November 3, 2017 5:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Those are your words


What words?

Quote:

you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be.


You see, you can learn.

Quote:

You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out.


Exact-o-mundo!

Quote:

a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.


I always did like a nice piece of trim.

Quote:

Because, apparently, you already know the news.


I think she's got it! By George she's got it!

And now for your dining, viewing and listening pleasure; a musical interlude as a reward for critical thinking: A Doctorate in Thinkology.



Remember: The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain!


SGG




Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"

Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.

Because, apparently, you already know the news.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, November 3, 2017 7:34 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare


“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”

“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”

Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”

Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.

“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”

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Friday, November 3, 2017 11:30 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"

Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.

Because, apparently, you already know the news.



All I can say kiki is your attempt here to cast aspersions on SGGs judgement has fallen way short. What a dumb response you offer concerning SGGs post. Really, your come back comes from way out in left field.






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Friday, November 3, 2017 2:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare


“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”

“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”

Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”

Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.

“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”


This was the Google exec, right?
Since he spent his career engineering disinformation, now he is amazed that others can do it also.
You also missed the part where he speculates that maybe, just possibly, it could be that there are some fake Google accounts - while the real world has known about bots for something like a decade or more. Great example of leadership in technology - be clueless about your realm.

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Friday, November 3, 2017 3:15 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare


“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”

“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”

Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”

Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.

“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”


This was the Google exec, right?
Since he spent his career engineering disinformation, now he is amazed that others can do it also.
You also missed the part where he speculates that maybe, just possibly, it could be that there are some fake Google accounts - while the real world has known about bots for something like a decade or more. Great example of leadership in technology - be clueless about your realm.



I have to believe maybe as many as one in 30 google accounts is fake. I created one to join this site. I don't do anything else with it, but all the same it's fake.






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Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I see THUGGER continues to bravely resist factual, evidenced information and continues to hew to received doctrine.

GOOD JOB! keeping those blinders on.



Keep pulling that cart, little horsie!




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, November 4, 2017 6:35 AM

OONJERAH


Los Angeles Times Editorial:
No, Mr. President, it's not sad that you can't dictate to the Justice Department

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-justice-20171104
-story.html


... "The president is the head of the executive branch and appoints the attorney general, the FBI director and other law enforcement officials. In choosing those officials he can establish broad policy priorities. But presidents of both parties have recognized that they aren’t free to politicize criminal investigations." ...


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Saturday, November 4, 2017 11:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Loathe as I am to defend Billy-boy Clinton, politicized criminal investigations are nothing new, à la Ken Starr. Pretending like Trump was talking about some horrific novelty ignores history.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, November 4, 2017 10:09 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


It is much like separation of Church and State, the lines are constantly being blurred by the conservatives and alt-right of the country.

Quote:

The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"


And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on. I thought Americans respected the document that made our country great. Hell, that made our country.

There's supposed to be separation between the DOJ and FBI and the president. Otherwise we have a DICTATORSHIP. He can order to jail those who don't agree with him, and that isn't FAKE.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Los Angeles Times Editorial:
No, Mr. President, it's not sad that you can't dictate to the Justice Department

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-justice-20171104
-story.html


... "The president is the head of the executive branch and appoints the attorney general, the FBI director and other law enforcement officials. In choosing those officials he can establish broad policy priorities. But presidents of both parties have recognized that they aren’t free to politicize criminal investigations." ...


... oooOO}{OOooo ...


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Saturday, November 4, 2017 10:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on.'

You mean like how Obama was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'freedom from search and seizure' by funding the NSA to intercept and record all internet communications? Or how he was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' with his drone strikes targeting Americans?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, November 6, 2017 2:30 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on.'

You mean like how Obama was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'freedom from search and seizure' by funding the NSA to intercept and record all internet communications? Or how he was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' with his drone strikes targeting Americans?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, November 6, 2017 2:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, November 6, 2017 11:04 PM

OONJERAH


The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-other-huge-scandal-mueller
-brought-to-light-this-week/2017/11/01/5e05a458-bf4c-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.9a879615a687&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1


Opinions
The other huge scandal Mueller brought to light this week

"Robert Mueller brought to light a huge scandal this week, and
it has nothing to do with Russia.

"He has introduced the world to Sam Clovis.

"Clovis, we now know, was the Trump campaign official who oversaw
George Papadopoulos and encouraged his efforts to meet with
Russian officials. But what’s more interesting than what Clovis is
is what Clovis isn’t."


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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:30 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ha, ha.......you're funny............looking


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 2:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Okay Keeks, this is what I'm talking about. I was going to let this go, but no.
Although not as bad as in the recent past, why do you feel the need to insult people within your response?

Not needed or appreciated. Now, I could have answered in a much more robust manner, but no....I choose to answer in this manner...I await your response...


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:56 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.

Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.



Could you translate the above into English, or Americanism? I left my decoder ring in my other jacket.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.

He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.

SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that?

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)

I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
www.forbes.com/sites/dan
alexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a

Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?


Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.

Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.


bump so I can find this. 1Nov 0405.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 4:05 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I've been an escapist* all my life.

When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.

When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.

My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Veterans should not be forced to travel to a separate faraway landmass to get VA care.
As I recall, most of the Puerto Ricans I saw in the Corps were female. But I wasn't really the type to classify much, so there could have been a ton of guys as well.
I noticed more Canadians in the Marines compared to other branches, and the Philippinos went the Navy way.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:41 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The Puerto Ricans that I have met over the years served in the Army, although I did meet 2 Marines recently. One guy is a mean old SOB, a hard Republican and racist as all get-out, especially against Black Cubans. The other is a real Jarhead, but a decent enough fellow. He's about 6' 3" and about 240 lbs. and he doesn't look Hispanic, at all. I thought he was white.

Just sayin'


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I've been an escapist* all my life.

When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.

When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.

My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.

Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Veterans should not be forced to travel to a separate faraway landmass to get VA care.
As I recall, most of the Puerto Ricans I saw in the Corps were female. But I wasn't really the type to classify much, so there could have been a ton of guys as well.
I noticed more Canadians in the Marines compared to other branches, and the Philippinos went the Navy way.


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Sunday, November 12, 2017 12:00 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ooops!



Wrong hole!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, November 12, 2017 2:12 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.


???
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?

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Monday, November 13, 2017 3:30 AM

OONJERAH


Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html


"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Monday, November 13, 2017 4:24 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


OMFG, soooo funny!

I will be nice and not say which hole I was referring to. It happens sometimes when we're a bit anxious, if you know what I mean. Bears and Moose would know, especially in the Springtime - The Call of the Wild!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.


???
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?


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Monday, November 13, 2017 4:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I would think that the Bush family would have a table setting for Trump at the next family picnic. Stands to reason since he was so gracious to Jeb during the 2016 Campaign season.

"Remember to drink from the chalice with a picture of a palace." Poppa Bush was heard saying, "you dumb muthafucker" he muttered.

Ahhh, such goings on.


SGG




Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html


"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...


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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:35 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"

Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.

Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.



You know, I was re-reading your post (above) and it hit me rather sudden-like:

"Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand."

I was just wondering. You claim to be a-political (one word, by the way - apolitical) but you yourself state you try to steer clear of politics in other posts you've made. So posting comments here is like running out into the middle of traffic on the "political expressway" - so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.

Just sayin'


SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html


"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...


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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:02 PM

OONJERAH


SGG: "- so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.

Just sayin'"

People here mostly talk about politics.
When I do, it's my way of trying to join in ... & to a lesser extent,
take some responsibility as a citizen of the USA.

I probably learned most of what I know about it from reading what y'all say.

Sometimes I start threads that are non-political, like "Coffee - Cheers!"


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:41 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
OMFG, soooo funny!

I will be nice and not say which hole I was referring to. It happens sometimes when we're a bit anxious, if you know what I mean. Bears and Moose would know, especially in the Springtime - The Call of the Wild!

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?

That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.


???
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?


I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:39 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html


"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...



These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.






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Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?


I have no idea what you are talking about.



Simple, I was replying to Sixpack's stupid remark.


SGG


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Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:40 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.


I agree. This country is being led by the nose to a disastrous stretch of anti-democratic existence. Trump and company are slowly dismantling of democracy and both we, the people and Congress are standing there watching from the sidelines.

We gotta mobilize and get these fuckers off their collective asses and do something before it's too late. While we're busy watching what the left hand is doing, the Trump administration (and TPTB) are slowly defusing what we have become complacent with all these many years with the right hand, namely our way of life here in America. Our institutions are being demolished right before our eyes and that, along with us regular Joes, is the fabric of what makes us the United States. We are vulnerable right this minute, but it's not too late yet. We were able to reject the total destruction of Obamacare, which is key for affordable care for millions across this country; and now we must do the same for this proposed new Tax Bill.

Also, take a look at what Trump is doing to destroy the judicial system. He's handpicking unqualified dolts to lifetime seats in the federal system. Don't be fooled, write, tweet, email and call your Congress member and all representatives. We must demand impeachment now.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html


"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...



These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.







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Friday, November 17, 2017 2:47 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Understood. I will say no more on the subject.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
SGG: "- so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.

Just sayin'"

People here mostly talk about politics.
When I do, it's my way of trying to join in ... & to a lesser extent,
take some responsibility as a citizen of the USA.

I probably learned most of what I know about it from reading what y'all say.

Sometimes I start threads that are non-political, like "Coffee - Cheers!"


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