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GOP Operative Peter W. Smith's Cause Of Death Might Not Be Suicide, Reports Say

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Friday, July 14, 2017 7:47 AM

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The death record said that Smith died of "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium."

Read: Who Was Peter W Smith?

A suicide note found near Smith's body read, “NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER,” “RECENT BAD TURN IN HEALTH SINCE JANUARY, 2017,” and “TO LIFE INSURANCE OF $5 MILLION EXPIRING” seems to corroborate the cause of death mentioned in the death record.

But, according to police reports, Smith told one of the workers at the hotel where he had been staying for the past several days: “Tomorrow is my last day.” The message could have meant that he was planning to move out of the hotel the next day, or that he was thinking about ending his life.

A senior writer with the WSJ, Shane Harris, who spoke with Smith shortly before his death tweeted Thursday that he did not detect any signs that would lead people to believe that the GOP operative was unwell or planning to take his own life. And one of Smith’s former employees told the Tribune that the GOP operative was getting treated for a heart condition at the Mayo Clinic, which points to the fact that he was interested in getting better.

http://www.ibtimes.com/gop-operative-peter-w-smiths-cause-death-might-
not-be-suicide-reports-say-2565737

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Friday, July 14, 2017 8:34 AM

SIGNYM

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I heard a fascinating -if creepy - radio program about how to commit suicide with helium or nitrogen.

The problem with pills is that you need an RX from a doctor. The problem with carbon monoxide and most other poisons is that you feel shitty before you die. Guns ... so messy!

So the solution is to breathe an inert gas, like helium or nitrogen, to displace the oxygen. You pass out and then die from lack of oxygen, and I can tell you - from experience- that it is very quick: I almost passed out from two breaths of helium because I wanted to make that "Donald Duck" voice.

Now, it would be very obvious what happened because there would be a tank of gas with a hose leading to a plastic hood (bag) over the person's head, presumably with the person's hand still on or near the cylinder valve. Most of that is described in the article.

The reason why I even thought about this is because we once received a vacutainer of lung air from a body - the coroner was looking for exactly this (too much inert gas). So, depending on the "heart condition" that Smith was being treated for (idiopathic congestive heart failure, which never ends well?) suicide may have seemed the better option.

OTOH, I suppose someone COULD come in a put a bag over Smith's head. Being an elderly guy, he might not have put up much of a struggle, so you might not see any bruising or other signs of foul play. And this death surely does get in the way of Smith's plans to obtain the Hillary emails.

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Friday, July 14, 2017 8:52 AM

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They use to sell ( assuming no longer ) ' hits ' of * Nitrous oxide on Bourbon Street. Whippets. 10 bucks or so, if I recall, where the user would inhale it, feel high for about a minute, and then quickly the effect would fade.


Of all the folks who have died, suicide or drug OD, I don't recall death by helium ever being reported. Maybe because , as mentioned, it's such a quick death, the reports are downplayed , to avoid others from giving it a try ? IDK. Just seems curious that someone w/ this sort of story would off himself right BEFORE, and not after ...



Probably another case which will be deep sixed, like the Seth Rich " robbery " and we'll never hear the truth.

* A common source for nitrous oxide are whippets, which are small canisters that contain pressurized nitrous oxide. These are normally used in special devices for dispensing whipped cream. With a cracker, whippets can be opened and the nitrous oxide released into a balloon, from which it then can be inhaled.

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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

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Kids do the same thing when they "huff" those freon-based contact/ board cleaners, which also quite effectively displace oxygen. The problem with those cleaners is that they are -literally- heavier than air, so if the user is sitting even semi-upright the freon pools in the lungs and can't passively escape, even if the user is passed out. Kids accidentally kill themselves that way for a few moments of wooziness which - IMHO- isn't even particularly fun.

But you're right- we will never get to the bottom of this. We would have to go over the coroner's report in excrutiating detail to look for possible missed or misinterpreted evidence, and also try to backtrack things like .... did Smith purchase a cylinder of helium? Those details will never be available to us.


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:39 AM

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It was probably Nitrous Oxyde they were selling on Burbon Street. Helium just makes you talk funny.

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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:56 AM

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Sticking your head into an oven, or at least sitting quietly in your easy chair with the (unlit) gas jets on and the windows closed, was once a standard suicide method on stage, screen, and in real life. Black and white movies and mid-century pulp fiction are filled with nick-of-time rescuers breaking down doors, shouting "Gas!" and frantically opening the windows; real life victims include poet Sylvia Plath. Yet you never hear about this anymore. What happened?

Suicide by gas didn't go out of style - it just became a whole lot less convenient. The gas piped into your house these days is not your grandfather's gas, which was "coal gas" or "illuminating gas".

It was manufactured locally at "gasworks" from coal heated in airtight chambers. The gas produced, a mixture of methane, hydrogen and carbon monoxide, not only burned beautifully, but was perfect for the suicidally-inclined. The active ingredient was, of course, the carbon monoxide. With blood having more than 200 times the affinity for carbon monoxide than oxygen, it doesn't take much to saturate the blood and starve your brain and nervous system of oxygen. A few breaths of 1% carbon monoxide is enough to knock you out; a few minutes breathing it will kill you. With coal gas running 10% carbon monoxide, it's not hard to see why one psychologist called old fashioned coal gas ovens "the execution chamber in everyone's kitchen."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5959303/why-have-people-stopped-committing-suic
ide-with-gas


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 14, 2017 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Sticking your head into an oven, or at least sitting quietly in your easy chair with the (unlit) gas jets on and the windows closed, was once a standard suicide method on stage, screen, and in real life. Black and white movies and mid-century pulp fiction are filled with nick-of-time rescuers breaking down doors, shouting "Gas!" and frantically opening the windows; real life victims include poet Sylvia Plath. Yet you never hear about this anymore. What happened?

Suicide by gas didn't go out of style - it just became a whole lot less convenient. The gas piped into your house these days is not your grandfather's gas, which was "coal gas" or "illuminating gas".

It was manufactured locally at "gasworks" from coal heated in airtight chambers. The gas produced, a mixture of methane, hydrogen and carbon monoxide, not only burned beautifully, but was perfect for the suicidally-inclined. The active ingredient was, of course, the carbon monoxide. With blood having more than 200 times the affinity for carbon monoxide than oxygen, it doesn't take much to saturate the blood and starve your brain and nervous system of oxygen. A few breaths of 1% carbon monoxide is enough to knock you out; a few minutes breathing it will kill you. With coal gas running 10% carbon monoxide, it's not hard to see why one psychologist called old fashioned coal gas ovens "the execution chamber in everyone's kitchen."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5959303/why-have-people-stopped-committing-suic
ide-with-gas



That, and safety interlocks were put on water heaters and gas stoves and ovens so that you couldn't run gas unless the pilot was lit.

You want to read a gross story? I used to work for a guy, who lived in a Chicago apartment when HE was young, where someone committed suicide by gas (in this case, methane, not "coal gas".) Apparently the gas had seeped between the inner and outer walls of the building, so even when they vented the building it was still in the walls. Well, it DID flash ... and killed all of the vermin in the walls. Which was great, until they started to rot ... in summer ....

True story.

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Friday, July 14, 2017 8:13 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
It was probably Nitrous Oxyde they were selling on Burbon Street. Helium just makes you talk funny.



Probably right. Been a long time.


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Friday, July 14, 2017 8:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Helium, hydrogen, argon, nitrogen, krypton. methane (natural gas), the (many) freons, or any other gas that lacks oxygen, EVEN IF IT'S NOT TOXIC OR AN ANESTHETIC, will kill you. NOT because it's "toxic" and NOT because it can sedate you to death, but simply because it can displace the oxygen normally found in the air, and deprive you of the oxygen needed to sustain life. Normal air has about 21% oxygen in it; our exhaled breath is about 16% oxygen, so we clearly don't absorb all of it; some people can function on about 12%, and you can survive on about 6% (provided you're not doing anything other than breathing) but if you breathe pure ANYTHING which doesn't contain oxygen .... poison or not ... you will die for lack of oxygen.

Nobody needs to conjure up nitrous oxide as a cause of death. In fact, if I were to choose death by anoxia (lack of oxygen) helium would probably be the ideal gas because it's readily available, and it diffuses through the blood so quickly that it would act faster than bigger-molecule gases like nitrogen or argon.

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Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:52 PM

SIGNYM

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OR MAYBE THE CLINTONS AND THEIR DEEP STATE ALLIES ARE JUST CLEANING UP??

Quote:

Haiti Official Who Exposed The Clinton Foundation Is Found Dead

The mainstream media’s silence over Klaus Eberwein’s death is deafening.

Eberwein was a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week.

He has been found dead in Miami at the age of 50.

The circumstances surrounding Eberwein’s death are also nothing less than unpalatable. According to Miami-Dade’s medical examiner records supervisor, the official cause of death is “gunshot to the head.“ Eberwein’s death has been registered as “suicide” by the government. But not long before his death, he acknowledged that his life was in danger because he was outspoken on the criminal activities of the Clinton Foundation.

Eberwein was a fierce critic of the Clinton Foundation’s activities in the Caribbean island, where he served as director general of the government’s economic development agency, Fonds d’assistance économique et social, for three years. “The Clinton Foundation, they are criminals, they are thieves, they are liars, they are a disgrace,” Eberwein said at a protest outside the Clinton Foundation headquarters in Manhattan last year. Eberwein was due to appear on Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors. But this “suicide” gets even more disturbing…

Eberwein was only 50-years-old and reportedly told acquaintances he feared for his life because of his fierce criticism of the Clinton Foundation. His close friends and business partners were taken aback by the idea he may have committed suicide. “It’s really shocking,” said friend Gilbert Bailly. “We grew up together; he was like family.”

During and after his government tenure, Eberwein faced allegations of fraud and corruption on how the agency he headed administered funds. Among the issues was FAES’ oversight of the shoddy construction of several schools built after Haiti’s devastating Jan. 12, 2010, earthquake. But, according to Eberwein, it was the Clinton Foundation who was deeply in the wrong – and he intended to testify and prove it on Tuesday.

According to Eberwein, a paltry 0.6 percent of donations granted by international donors to the Clinton Foundation with the express purpose of directly assisting Haitians actually ended up in the hands of Haitian organizations. A further 9.6 percent ended up with the Haitian government. The remaining 89.8 percent – or $5.4 billion – was funneled to non-Haitian organizations. –WND

Eberwein was expected to testify against the Clinton Foundation in court and ends up committing suicide shortly before. Where have we heard this before?

Untimely deaths seem to follow the Clinton’s around, and this one especially is probably something – considering since the mainstream media is silent about this death.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-16/haiti-official-who-exposed-cl
inton-foundation-found-dead


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