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James Woods: ‘Free Speech Is Dead in Liberal America’

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Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


...did he really go rightwing...or has mainstream media drifted so far-Left?
https://www.lifezette.com/popzette/james-woods-free-speech-dead-libera
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conservative actor turns down most of the interviews he's offered these days

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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
...did he really go rightwing...or has mainstream media drifted so far-Left?
https://www.lifezette.com/popzette/james-woods-free-speech-dead-libera
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conservative actor turns down most of the interviews he's offered these days

Isn't that a couple decades old, what James said back then? With validity increasing each day.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:54 PM

RIVERLOVE


Long live the new flesh!



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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:32 AM

WISHIMAY


Left...Right...all roads lead to CircleJerk...

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:18 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Left...Right...all roads lead to CircleJerk...



LOL. Wishy, you made me laugh!


That's a really good point though. I started imagining people just walking in circles aimlessly.

It would probably be more appropriate to label the republicans Clockwise, and the democrats Counter-Clockwise.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:45 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:


It would probably be more appropriate to label the republicans Clockwise



OK, but walking backwards with blinders on and their thumbs up their asses.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:45 PM

WISHIMAY


(double post)

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

LOL. Wishy, you made me laugh!


That's a really good point though. I started imagining people just walking in circles aimlessly.

It would probably be more appropriate to label the republicans Clockwise, and the democrats Counter-Clockwise.

Walk around in Circles



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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:26 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:


It would probably be more appropriate to label the republicans Clockwise



OK, but walking backwards with blinders on and their thumbs up their asses.



It doesn't matter how somebody gets back to the beginning over and over and over and over again.

I think the problem is that all politicians are garbage people.

What is somebody to do when the people who run the show are the worst humanity has to offer?

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:05 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I think the problem is that all politicians are garbage people.

What is somebody to do when the people who run the show are the worst humanity has to offer?

What you are really doing is complaining that voters are some of the worse humanity has to offer. From my experience in Texas, the elected politicians' values are indistinguishable from their voters' values. That might not be true where you live and that might not be obvious unless you lived in Texas and it still might not be obvious even if you did live here but you don't pay enough attention to people's real lives as they live them and how they voted. People I don't admire (call them the chickens) turn out to vote for politicians I don't admire (call them the eggs laid by the chickens). A certain kind of politician follows inevitably from a certain kind of voter. That sounds too abstract until I give an example:

I don't share the values of Pres George Bush or Sen Ted Cruz (you have heard of them, right?) but the people who voted for them do share. If you don't like those two famous Texas politicians you won't like the people who voted for them, once you really get to know them. Even the people who voted for Bush don't like Bush as much as they once did, but not because their values started to differ from Bush's. They don't like Bush because of the Iraq War. They truly loved that war up until the point when Bush was losing, then Texans slowly turned on him. But losing was inevitable because Bush went to war in the same fashion as the Texans who voted for him go about their daily lives: over confident, half assed, and learning very slowly from mistakes.

If you aren't favorably impressed with politicians, you should see the unimpressive people who voted for them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:34 PM

REAVERFAN


He's always been a reichwing nutjob. Nothing new to see here, folks.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 6:48 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I think you're over-generalizing people and not giving them enough credit Second. I didn't like Obama at all, and I thought he was a terrible president. I like a lot of the people that I know who voted for him though. Well... as much as I actually "like" people.

So no, I was not at all saying that I don't like voters. That would mean that I only like people that don't vote. I'm sure there are a lot of lousy people who don't pay attention to politics at all. I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful people too.

I think, unlike you, I'm able to admit that there are plenty of shitty people on both sides and just because I don't see eye to eye with somebody on political ideas doesn't mean I think they're a shitty person.

The problem is that the money and the power that comes with politics draws the shittiest people like moths to a flame.

Politicians are garbage people.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I think you're over-generalizing people and not giving them enough credit Second. . . . Politicians are garbage people.

From the president of the United States, asked about the unemployment rate:

When we got those great reports, I kept saying—you know, those numbers were 4.2, 4.3—I said, for a long time, they don’t matter. But now I accept those numbers very proudly. I say they do matter.
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/887779487781441538

This is laughable, but here’s the thing: I know that his Texan supporters love this kind of attitude. After all, that’s how they treat information. (Not you, of course. I mean other people.) If it supports their opinion, they trumpet it. If it doesn’t, they dismiss it. That’s how "normal" people who want to win arguments deploy facts and figures, and Trump’s fans view him as a "normal" guy who wants to win, not some truth-seeking academic egghead. Which came first? Chicken or egg?

Bottom line: Donald Trump may be an asshole, but he’s their asshole.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:10 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I don't want to take things out of context, so I'd have to see the whole press conference... or at least the question that was asked of him before he said it.

That being said, on face value as it is presented with no context, that is a laughably stupid thing to say.


He wasn't right by saying those numbers "didn't matter" before either. Maybe he meant that they were bullshit numbers, which they were. They're not even close to describing the actual jobs situation.

If he is indeed all of the sudden saying that they are legitimate now that he's president that's bullshit.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't want to take things out of context, so I'd have to see the whole press conference... or at least the question that was asked of him before he said it. . . .

If he is indeed all of the sudden saying that they are legitimate now that he's president that's bullshit.

Trump has done this same thing before today. It made no difference to his followers in the past. Today will make no difference to his followers in the future. His followers only believe what supports their opinions, which is why Trump only believes facts that support his opinions. Or is it the other way around? Chicken/Egg. Which came first? Followers believing or Trump believing?

Trump's tone on the matter began to change shortly after he took office in January. In March, after a sizable gain in employment in February, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the president was pleased with the new numbers.

“I talked to the president prior to this, and he said to quote him very clearly: 'They may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now,' " Spicer said.

Trump also took issue in the past with the unemployment rate, arguing that it was much higher than reported under former President Obama.

"The unemployment rate is probably 20 percent, but I will tell you, you have some great economists that will tell you it's at 30, 32,” he said in September 2015. “And the highest I've heard so far is 42 percent."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342796-trump-monthly-jobs-r
eports-do-matter


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:04 AM

6STRINGJOKER


This isn't behavior exclusive to Republicans or supporters of Trump.

Barry was a terrible president who contradicted himself constantly over 8 years, yet in the eyes of many he could do no wrong. (I'm being diplomatic here and not outright saying he lied constantly).


Trump was right about the employment numbers during Obama, although he may have been exaggerating them a tad. I never heard that 42% number, but 20% is probably pretty accurate, especially if you include under-employment which in many cases is just as bad.


I take great issue with him staying that the numbers are correct now though, if that is what he is saying.


The 4% numbers are new to me though. My thoughts without seeing the entire press conference is that this was not a discussion about unemployment in America, but in one of the states that is doing better than average if they're throwing around numbers so low.

Would not surprise me if the MSM took footage of him talking about unemployment in a particular area or state and said he was talking about the numbers in the entire country.


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

The 4% numbers are new to me though. My thoughts without seeing the entire press conference is that this was not a discussion about unemployment in America, but in one of the states that is doing better than average if they're throwing around numbers so low.

Would not surprise me if the MSM took footage of him talking about unemployment in a particular area or state and said he was talking about the numbers in the entire country.

I know the video of the entire Q&A must be out there somewhere, yet I can't find the goddamn thing, but you can be certain that for years Trump attacked the Bureau of Labor Statistics' reports on the US labor market, except now that he is in charge he's singing a different tune.

The Business Insider said that the 4.2% - 4.3% numbers Trump uses are almost the same as the actual 4.4% from the June 2017 Bureau of Labor Statistic's report of unemployment for the entire country. That is not just for one state. It is the whole country, including where you are. Some states, and especially some counties, will do far worse than 4.4%. It all averages to 4.4%. www.bls.gov/cps/

www.businessinsider.com/trump-accepts-jobs-report-unemployment-number-
after-calling-hoax-2017-7


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I know the video of the entire Q&A must be out there somewhere, yet I can't find the goddamn thing, but you can be certain that for years Trump attacked the Bureau of Labor Statistics' reports on the US labor market, except now that he is in charge he's singing a different tune.- SECOND


Of course he is. But that doesn't change the fact that more people are unemployed than ever before.

EMPLOYED VERSUS OVERALL POPULATION-
TIME- 01/07-06/17
RANGE- 58-64%
BLS:


https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

And that's using the EXTREMELY generous BLS definition of "employed", which counts you as "employed" if you got paid for ONE HOUR that month. If anyone were to graph a population-wide "total number of hours worked" versus the total work-age population, I'd bet the numbers would look even crappier.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But that doesn't change the fact that more people are unemployed than ever before.

You're full of shit, Signym. Or more politely: On the same graph at BLS that you posted, go back to 1950 when America was at Trump’s Peak of Greatness Again.

Only 55% of people were working, less than 2017’s 60%.
You will have to click a link to get the oldest data, including 1950.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

What was your point, Signym? That my parents should get jobs at Walmart so that I could say they are employed and their lives would instantly be more meaningful because of the importance of work to their spiritual well-being? (And pushing labor participation rate higher than 60% on the statistics?)

My point would be that if you don’t have a job where you are living, move to where the jobs are. Don’t be ignorant and expect Trump to bring the jobs to you or other impractical people who are unemployed because they won’t understand that they will have to move or else live and die without money where they are.

Why did the factory cross the road? To get away from Donald Trump’s kiss of death.
https://qz.com/1013664

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Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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move to where the jobs are. - SECOND
SECOND, stuck with head in the sand.

Where is THAT, SECOND? Where should people move? Why not just say "Let them eat cake?"

Quote:

On the same graph at BLS that you posted, go back to 1950 when America was at Trump’s Peak of Greatness Again. Only 55% of people were working, less than 2017’s 60%.

I shouldn't have to tell you ... but apparently I do ... that in 1950, you could actually support a family on one wage. Because back in our days of greatness, the tax rate on the rich was 90%, and American industry was preeminent in a world destroyed by war.

The very best statistic for how "the middle class" is doing would be to multiply the total number of hours worked by the weighted average wage, add any "capital gains" that family might accrue, and then divide that by the total economy. Yanno, like this



Not a good stat for the Dems either.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Nine New Findings About Inequality in the United States

By JEREMY ASHKENAS DEC. 16, 2016

In a paper published last week, Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman expand their earlier work, examining how taxes and government spending affect income inequality.

1) The bottom half of the country has been shut out from income growth for 40 years.
The average pretax earnings of an American in the bottom 50 percent by income was $16,197 in 2014, a nearly invisible 2.6 percent gain over 40 years. Over the same period, the top 10 percent of Americans saw their pretax incomes grow by 231 percent.

2) Government spending has helped lift lower incomes, but only a little.
The study subtracts taxes, and then adds back the benefits of both direct (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps) and indirect (infrastructure, defense, education) government spending to arrive at an after-tax measure of income.

By comparing pretax income to income after accounting for taxes and government spending, we can see a clearer picture of how government policy has affected income inequality in the United States.

3 Increased health care spending on the elderly consumes most of the gains.
The effects of government assistance vary widely with age, especially within the lower half of incomes. Younger adults between 20 and 45 years old have seen their after-tax incomes flatline.

But over the same period, seniors in the bottom half have seen their after-tax incomes grow by over 70 percent. The bulk of that gain represents increased health care spending through Medicare.

4) The top 1% and the bottom 50% have swapped their relative shares of the national income.
Forty years ago, the top 1 percent of earners took home 10.5 percent of the total national income, and the bottom half earned 20 percent of it. By 2014, those percentages effectively flipped, with the top 1 percent earning a 20 percent share and the bottom half dropping to 12.5 percent.

5) Taxes in the United States are much less progressive than they used to be.
Between the end of World War II and the 1980s, the gap between effective tax rates on the rich and the poor narrowed as a result of reductions in corporate and estate taxes on the upper class, and increases in payroll taxes on the working class.

In 2013, the Obama administration sharply reversed the trend of declining top tax rates by allowing the 2001 Bush tax cuts to expire and introducing new surtaxes to fund the Affordable Care Act.

6) More women in the work force also helped mitigate rising inequality.
Since the 1960s, more American women have joined the work force and their pay has increased, counteracting measures of inequality. In 1964, women made up only 38 percent of the work force; they are now nearly half of it.

7)but there’s still a heavy glass ceiling.
Despite these gains, as you look farther up the income ladder, you find fewer and fewer women.
Women are 48 percent of the American work force, but only one in 10 of the top 0.1 percent of earners.

8) Since 1999, any upper-middle-class income growth has been after-tax.
Even for the upper-middle-class group, which the authors define as adults with incomes between the bottom half and the top 10 percent of Americans, pretax incomes haven’t grown over the past 15 years. Only rising public spending on benefits like health care has allowed upper-middle-class incomes to grow.

9) Taxes and spending helped blunt the effects of inequality and income stagnation.
Over the past 50 years, the total share of national income that flows back to individuals through the government has grown. And that income has increasingly been transferred to the bottom 90 percent of Americans, helping to slightly slow the rapidly growing income inequality in the United States.
Despite this, the study argues that more redistribution won’t fix the problem.

Because the labor income of the bottom 50 percent of Americans has weakened so drastically, Mr. Piketty, Mr. Saez and Mr. Zucman write, “there are clear limits to what redistributive policies can achieve.”

They argue that future policy should focus more on raising the primary income of the American working class. Possibilities include improving education and job training, equalizing distribution of human and financial capital, and increasing labor bargaining power, combined with a return to steeply progressive taxation.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/business/economy/nine-n
ew-findings-about-income-inequality-piketty.html


Nowhere in there does it say anything about Democrats changing the trajectory. You can argue all you want, SECOND ... and I know you will ... but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. It's that willful blindness of the DNC against the real problems that real people face, and towards favoring their wealthy sponsors that has cost the DNC votes. Not "Russia". Is Trump the answer? No, Trump was a protest vote.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion about James Woods ...

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Nowhere in there does it say anything about Democrats changing the trajectory. You can argue all you want, SECOND ... and I know you will ... but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. It's that willful blindness of the DNC against the real problems that real people face, and towards favoring their wealthy sponsors that has cost the DNC votes. Not "Russia". Is Trump the answer? No, Trump was a protest vote.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion about James Woods ...

Throughout history, plagues and wars have left greater equality in their wake. Can we get there again without violence? No is the short answer. Yes is the long answer, but American voters will need to act less in ignorance. The chances of that are close to zero when baby-boomers are dumb enough to keep electing Republicans to all offices.
https://aeon.co/essays/are-plagues-and-wars-the-only-ways-to-reduce-in
equality


Law 4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
https://qz.com/967554

Back when they were teens, the baby-boomers were dummies. They stayed stupid and we now live in the world full of problems those dumb-asses created:
Quote:

Americans are becoming increasingly ignorant about their own rights as citizens. Forty-seven percent of a sample of 17-year-olds, on the verge of becoming eligible voters, did not know the simple fact, according to a recent survey, that each state elects two United States senators. More than half of the 17-year-olds and more than three-fourths of the 13-year-olds in the survey could not explain the significance of the fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination. One out of every eight 17-year-olds believed that the president does not have to obey the law, and one out of every two students at both ages believe that the president appoints members of Congress. Half the 13-year-olds thought that the law forbids anyone to start a new political party. Hardly any of the students in either group could explain what steps the Constitution entitles Congress to take in order to stop the president from fighting a war without congressional approval. If an educated electorate is the best defense against arbitrary government, the survival of political freedom appears uncertain at best. Large numbers of Americans now believe that the Constitution sanctions arbitrary executive power, and recent political history, with its steady growth of presidential power, can only have reinforced such an assumption.
-- From The Culture of Narcissism, Chapter VI, “Schooling and the New Illiteracy”, by Christopher Lasch, 1979.

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Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:45 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What was your point, Signym? That my parents should get jobs at Walmart so that I could say they are employed and their lives would instantly be more meaningful because of the importance of work to their spiritual well-being? (And pushing labor participation rate higher than 60% on the statistics?)
https://qz.com/1013664



I'm kind of wondering what you're point is. "Labor Participation" and "Unemployment" are two very different things and are really not even comparable in any meaningful way. Labor participation in the 50's would have been much lower because a lot of women still didn't go to work for a living and took care of the house and the kids. Using that number to compare to today's workplace is not a good indicator of anything, except for maybe how little we get paid that most families MUST have two parents working today just to make ends meet.

Your parents are not part of the unemployment number. Neither am I. Neither are millions of Americans who have "given up" looking for work. Neither are the tens of millions of Americans working minimum wage part time jobs.

I just looked up the recent unemployment numbers and sure as shit I'm now seeing them as low as the mid 4% like you said.

What a load of horseshit.

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Friday, July 21, 2017 9:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:38 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Do you know how old that is?

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


Do you know how old that is?


Does it matter ? It sums up my views accurately.


But no, I don't. James Woods High has been a running gag on Family Guy for some time now, I believe.

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