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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Which sentence? I count 9 of them.


I agree though. A year later and now we supposedly have some real evidence, but they're not showing it to us.

#ReleaseTheMemo2

Which sentence? This sentence:
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Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted.



Thanks for clearing that up. Including the sentence you wrote yourself in parenthesis after that, there were 10 sentences before you mentioned a specific one. I didn't even go back that far. I thought you were talking about one of the 9 in the last paragraph, or you were including all 9 of them as one sentence.


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Mueller is not showing you the real evidence because Trump and his lawyers would then know and then their new strategy would be to destroy evidence. Trump can order assassinations and Mueller probably doesn't want Trump killing his witnesses. Mueller is treating Trump as if Trump is the head of an organized crime family.

In more ordinary situations, prosecutors never share their evidence with the defendant's attorney until the last moment that the judge will allow.

Sharing evidence with 6ixStringJack would screw-up Mueller's investigation by tipping off Trump's lawyers. It’s not just Russia — Mueller is digging into Trump associates’ potentially corrupt foreign ties. He’s looking at Trump associates’ dealings with investors or governments in Qatar, the UAE, Turkey, and China.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/5/17080302/trump-russia-news-ku
shner-mueller


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Well either that or there is nothing. I give it all 50/50.

I have absolutely no stake in this whatsoever. Aside from a hundred or two dollars I'll be getting back in taxes next year, Trump being president hasn't really done anything for me. Same old shit, different day.

I just come here to see the crazies fight about everything that is completely out of their control.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:57 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Oops...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#1048876
] You mean a lady of the evening is trying to get out of a Thai jail and avoid extradition to Belarus by claiming unspecified information about unnamed people? I'm smelling a lot of if coming off of that.




No, she named quite a few of them. That said she'll have to produce the tapes and prove what she claims.

Point is, it may be true. If it is it is over for Trump. Hey, I see you changed the link I posted so people will go to the wrong place. Fixed that for you.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#1048876



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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Instead of going on ... and on ... and on ... about what OTHER people say about the dossier, why not look for yourself?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


Some things don't make sense to me.
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2015 Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.
Putin courted Trump for at least 5 years before the campaign as a political influence? What crystal ball was Putin using? I want it, too! Aside from finding amusement, this is a ridiculous premise. Russia was feeding Trump dirt on Hillary for YEARS before either ran in the primaries or was a presidential candidate? Anything related to that claim needs a whole lot of explaining, which it never gets. As does the fact that Trump never, according to Steele, took up any of Russia's business offers.

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A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by Russian Intelligence Services over many years and comprises mainly bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ...
That means that there should be evidence of this in OUR records. And that means, either our 'intelligence' services are insufficiently non-partisan and diligent, or the dossier is bunk.
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2016 Source E
This section is nearly completely comprised of the unverified claims of Source E. And that requires a lot of trust in whoever that source is, their position to acquire knowledge, and their ability to transmit it without embellishment or bombast.

The rest of the document reads like a lurid diary. It makes many, many, many claims of contacts between Trump's people and various Russians, and documents the supposed Russian/ wikileaks efforts (but managed to not notice the 13 Russians in social media efforts).

Items of interest are that at least THREE secret overseas meetings between Trump's representatives and Russian government officials are alleged to have occurred. Trips should be easy enough to document.

Finally, one of Steele's sources claimed Russia attempted to curry favor with Jill Stein and others by arranging to have their visit to Russia paid for. I thought Stein being questioned was bizarre. But that's one thing in the dossier that can be definitively crossed off the list as completely bogus. Stein paid for the trip herself. And that means, the OTHER thing that can be crossed off the list as bogus is the claim that nothing in the dossier has been disproven.




Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election? The other links report on other good questions.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/why-didn-t-democrats-use-the
-dossier-during-the-2016-campaign-1177592387714?playlist=associated&v=a


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/report-raises-specter-of-a-t
rump-russia-dossier-related-death-1177585219786


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/report-russia-vetoed-romney-
favored-tillerson-for-state-dept-1177585219570



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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?

There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I have absolutely no stake in this whatsoever. Aside from a hundred or two dollars I'll be getting back in taxes next year, Trump being president hasn't really done anything for me. Same old shit, different day.

I just come here to see the crazies fight about everything that is completely out of their control.

For your $200, 6ix, you got raped by the one-percenters. If you were a 1%er, you'd know that Good News from Trump! It turns out that American corporations aren’t spending their tax windfall solely on pointless stock buybacks that do little except enrich CEOs and investors. They’re also spending their money on pointless mergers and acquisitions that do little except enrich CEOs and investors. $325 billion so far in 2018. All of 2017 was $210 billion. Obama’s last year was $183 billion.

www.wsj.com/articles/tax-cuts-fuel-biggest-merger-spree-since-2000-152
0340897


Firms in the S&P 500 are expected to spend $800 billion buying back their own shares in 2018.

www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-companies-expected-to-buy-back-800-bi
llion-of-their-own-shares-this-year-2018-03-02

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?

There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.

What it actually said is different than what you said it says. What it says is: "Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years." What do you say, 1kiki? I say, "Shove it up your ass, 1kiki."

www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations
.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?

There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.

What it actually said is different than what you said it says. What it says is: "Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years." What do you say, 1kiki? I say, "Shove it up your ass, 1kiki."

www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations
.html





Yes second true. What's another point we could make again? A point we've made over and over again in these threads?

Because kiki lies, kiki knows she is wrong. And because she does it anyway, she is a troll. In her case, someone who trolls on behalf of Russia.


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


page 1 par 4
"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly (emphasis is mine) comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ..."

page 2 par 2.
"... including democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 2-3 par 5.
" ... rumors about a Russian dossier of 'kompromat' on Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 3 par 6
"... the CLINTON dossier was controlled exclusively ..."




Since roughly 50% of the first two pages are devoted to Hillary, both of you are wrong, once again, when it comes to the facts.





So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:27 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


page 1 par 4
"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly (emphasis is mine) comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ..."

page 2 par 2.
"... including democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 2-3 par 5.
" ... rumors about a Russian dossier of 'kompromat' on Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 3 par 6
"... the CLINTON dossier was controlled exclusively ..."




What evidence against Hillary. The Russians released everything they had through wiki leaks. Everything they produced was proven to be lies or amounted to nothing. Some bad behavior, golly gee.

Yet you still make false claims. Still post those same accusations against her. The same ones that did not bear fruit the first, second, third and even more times you trolls bring them up. So many times in fact you no longer bother.

I notice you make claims of improprieties in your post but don't list them. Loser kiki, you're a loser.


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:43 PM

THGRRI


Ethics Office Finds Kellyanne Conway Broke Law in Alabama Race

White House aide Kellyanne Conway twice violated the law that forbids officials from engaging in political activity in their government capacities with comments she made in television interviews about last year’s Alabama Senate election, the Office of Special Counsel said in a report sent Tuesday to President Donald Trump.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-06/ethics-office-finds
-trump-aide-conway-broke-law-in-alabama-race


Anyone surprised??


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
What evidence against Hillary. What evidence against Hillary. The Russians released everything they had through wiki leaks.

I suggest you read the first two pages of my link, which makes it quite clear that their information was (mostly) comprised of phone calls intercepted over the years while Hillary visited Russia. Which, and I apparently have to spell this out for you, is separate from the DNC files, the Podesta files, and Hillary's private State Department server.

You know, you could save yourself from being so stupendously, embarrassingly wrong by doing just a small amount - less than 2 complete pages - of reading plain English.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
What evidence against Hillary. What evidence against Hillary. The Russians released everything they had through wiki leaks.

I suggest you read the first two pages of my link, which makes it quite clear that their information was (mostly) comprised of phone calls intercepted over the years while Hillary visited Russia. Which, and I apparently have to spell this out for you, is separate from the DNC files, the Podesta files, and Hillary's private State Department server.

You know, you could save yourself from being so stupendously, embarrassingly wrong by doing just a small amount - less than 2 complete pages - of reading plain English.




Who posted that document to the internet kiki? Did they doctor it? Is it completely made up? I also recommend everyone look at the first two pages. It offers nothing of what you claim, troll.

We both know it's not a truthful document. Did you cut and paste it, highlight what you wanted, changed what you wanted and then post it?


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, if you can believe that, you can believe anything.

AND YOU DO!!! No matter how stupid it is.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:31 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, if you can believe that, you can believe anything.

AND YOU DO!!! No matter how stupid.




You're just to stupid and dishonest to have a good conversation with. If everyone clicks on your documents link, then clinks onto the document cloud link on the right, they are brought to the sauce where your document was created and edited. I suggest everyone give it a go.

You asshole. https://www.documentcloud.org/


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"brought to the sauce" HA HA HA ! That's funny!

"Now BuzzFeed News is publishing the full document so that Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government." https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-d
eep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.rhOAyBnP9#.amDeL78dP


link in original goes to document cloud url

Maybe BuzzFeed planted a fake document! 'Ya think, THUGGER?





So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


page 1 par 4
"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly (emphasis is mine) comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ..."

page 2 par 2.
"... including democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 2-3 par 5.
" ... rumors about a Russian dossier of 'kompromat' on Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 3 par 6
"... the CLINTON dossier was controlled exclusively ..."


Since roughly 50% of the first two pages are devoted to Hillary, both of you are wrong, once again, when it comes to the facts.

1kiki, start with a clearer reference, one that is easy to read: https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/
1kiki, it is transparently obvious that you're misleading us by cutting off the quote where you did.

"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia . . ." and intercepted phone calls rather than any embarrassing conduct. The dossier is controlled by Kremlin spokesman, PESKOV, directly on PUTIN’s orders. However it has not as yet been distributed abroad, including to TRUMP. Russian intentions for its deployment still unclear

Detail

Speaking to a trusted compatriot in June 2016 sources A and B, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure and a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin respectively, the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years. Source B asserted that the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN. Its aim was to sow discord and disunity both within the US itself, but more especially within the Transatlantic alliance which was viewed as inimical to Russia’s interests.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your link is not a secure connection.

I just hand-typed short phrases that included the name CLINTON because I was too lazy to type the whole thing out by hand. Which is why I provided BOTH THE LINK AND SPECIFIC DOCUMENT REFERENCES so people could look for themselves.

And I proved you wrong. There were many, many references to the dirt on Clinton that Steele's sources said Russia had. So sorry you can't take being wrong, but if you did a little more reading and thought just a twees, you wouldn't be so very, very wrong, so very, very often.

So, aside from you being an ass, do you have a point of fact to make?

Well, for SURE you're an ass !!!

And let me add - if you believe Steele's dossier about Trump, then it means that the Russians also had dirt on Clinton. Which is what I said at the top of the page, where you accused me of lying. So, isn't it you who's lying, SECOND-RATE?




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And btw, I already discussed this: "Speaking to a trusted compatriot in June 2016 sources A and B, ..." Search on the phrase 'crystal ball' and you'll find it.

And, once again - you are so wrong. So very, VERY wrong.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:16 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And btw, I already discussed this: "Speaking to a trusted compatriot in June 2016 sources A and B, ..." Search on the phrase 'crystal ball' and you'll find it.

And, once again - you are so wrong. So very, VERY wrong.



Lets get back to reality shall we...


Publics Worldwide Unfavorable Toward Putin, Russia but few see Russian power and influence as a major threat

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/08/16/publics-worldwide-unfavorable-towa
rd-putin-russia
/


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


97% of people 'believed' Iraq had WMDs. And how did that work out? As they say, a million flies eat shit.

That's the problem with assuming public opinion is reality. It isn't.




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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:43 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Your link is not a secure connection.

Look, 1kiki, it is https : https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/ The "s" in https means "secure". This is a typical deliberate misdirection. It is both not true and, if it were true, it would be a meaningless statement about Trump. Are you sure you are the same 1kiki from 2016, back when you were a Bernie supporter before you became a Trump person? Because you're not as good a troll as you were during the election.
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

And I proved you wrong. There were many, many references to the dirt on Clinton that Steele's sources said Russia had. So sorry you can't take being wrong, but if you did a little more reading and thought just a twees, you wouldn't be so very, very wrong, so very, very often.

So, aside from you being an ass, do you have a point of fact to make?

Well, for SURE you're an ass !!!

1kiki, you proved nothing. You asserted you've proven your point without you doing the work proving your point.
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

And let me add - if you believe Steele's dossier about Trump, then it means that the Russians also had dirt on Clinton. Which is what I said at the top of the page, where you accused me of lying. So, isn't it you who's lying, SECOND-RATE?

1kiki, that is stupid what you wrote. You got nothing. 1kiki, you are just a fucking nut. Or you are a Russian. But whatever you really are, you are not truthful.


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:47 PM

THGRRI


And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.

I could smack 1kiki for this statement:
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97% of people 'believed' Iraq had WMDs. And how did that work out? As they say, a million flies eat shit.

That's the problem with assuming public opinion is reality. It isn't.

That 97% doesn't cover the reality in Texas which is expressed with two numbers: 0% and 100%. I knew no Democrats in Texas (0.00%) that believed in WMD in Iraq. All who were familiar with Governor George Bush being a liar, disbelieved President Bush. All the Texas Republicans (100.0%) believed in WMD. There was many reasons to believe all Texas Republicans were delusional at the time:
www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02
www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/meast/iraq-weapons-inspections-fast-facts
/index.html


Even until today, there are reasons to believe Texas Republicans live inside a delusion about Trump.


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:00 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.

I could smack 1kiki for this statement:
Quote:

97% of people 'believed' Iraq had WMDs. And how did that work out? As they say, a million flies eat shit.

That's the problem with assuming public opinion is reality. It isn't.

That 97% doesn't cover the reality in Texas which is expressed with two numbers: 0% and 100%. I knew no Democrats in Texas (0.00%) that believed in WMD in Iraq. All who were familiar with Governor George Bush being a liar, disbelieved President Bush. All the Texas Republicans (100.0%) believed in WMD. There was many reasons to believe all Texas Republicans were delusional at the time:
www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02
www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/meast/iraq-weapons-inspections-fast-facts
/index.html


Even until today, there are reasons to believe Texas Republicans live inside a delusion about Trump.




The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They chose wrong.


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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They choose wrong.

Let’s not lose the main point that idiotic Republicans (and 97% are idiots) wanted the Iraq War and they had the votes, no matter what the Democrats voted.

Even if every Democrat had voted No, the Iraq resolution still would have passed:

United States Senate
Party Yeas Nays
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Independent 0 1
TOTALS 77 23

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays Not Voting
Republican 215 6 2
Democratic 82 126 1
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 297 133 3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/who-voted-to-authorize-fo_b_85652.ht
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I guess some Democrats decided that since the damn war was going to happen, they might as well get some credit for supporting it. They didn’t imagine that Bush would eventually lose the War. But what would you expect from an idiot and liar like Bush, other than a loss? What would you expect from an idiot and liar like Trump? An even bigger loss. There was an article written before the war explaining how it could go wrong:

The Fifty-First State?
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/11/the-fifty-first-state/302
612
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Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders—and doing it all for years, or perhaps decades. Are we ready for this long-term relationship? Bush was NOT ready. He wasn't even ready to run Texas, even after two terms as Governor.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They chose wrong.




The Republicans allowed it too. They chose wrong also.


There was a time when the President didn't have the power to do that type of thing. Obama was supposed to change that. Bet you wish he had now that Trump is president.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you proved nothing.

I proved you're an ass!
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And let me add - if you believe Steele's dossier about Trump, then it means that the Russians also had dirt on Clinton. Which is what I said at the top of the page, where you accused me of lying. So, isn't it you who's lying, SECOND-RATE?

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
1kiki, that is stupid what you wrote.

No, I'm just pointing out your pervasive, blatant hypocrisy. And lying. You're willing enough to believe the Steele dossier when it comes to Trump. But can't credit the multiple statements in the very first pages of exact same document when it comes to the Russians having dirt on Hillary. Even though it's all there, in black and white, in the document BuzzFeed says is the entire Steele dossier, that it posted to the cloud, and linked for all to read.

But you're going to pretend I'm just making up lies out of thin air. Because you're an ass !




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Democrats were even more craven when it came to the US Patriot Act.

https://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml
These are the 98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.

House vote
Republican 211y 3n 5nv
Democratic 145y 62n 4nv
Independent 1y 1n




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I'm feelin a major inditement rumbling down the chute, probably Kushner. Maybe Don Jr. Maybe both!

I'll be looking for those indictments against Kushner and/ or Trump Jr. this week and next week.

If you're wrong, will you admit it?



Uv course! How coud I deny it?

It may not be so soon, but they will be indited eventually.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Maybe... maybe not.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:43 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Its going to be a little harder for traffic cops to do their job if the Trump gang arent in prizon befor 2020.

"A 2 bit con man got away with treazon, and youre hassling me for not uzing my turn signal?"

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Its going to be a little harder for traffic cops to do their job if the Trump gang arent in prizon befor 2020.

"A 2 bit con man got away with treazon, and youre hassling me for not uzing my turn signal?"



Maybe for your "side".

I'm already there man. If it wasn't Hillary, I can name a very long list of politicians on both sides that should be in prison, not to mention business owners.



Plus, you're already convinced that Trump committed Treason. I've seen absolutely no evidence of that yet.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:15 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've seen absolutely no evidence of that yet.



Thats bekuz the old saying 'you can provide Rachel Maddow links to 6stringjack, but you cant make him watch' iz true.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:44 PM

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've seen absolutely no evidence of that yet.



Thats bekuz the old saying 'you can provide Rachel Maddow links to 6stringjack, but you cant make him watch' iz true.



You're talking about woman who actually cried on air when Hillary lost, J0. A very well paid professional, I might add.

Do you honestly believe that anything she has to say about this matter is not coming from an extremely biased and not at all objective place?

Maddow doesn't deal in objective journalism. That's not her job. She gives daily affirmations and "hope" to people who want to believe what she wants to believe in. She's left wing Alex Jones.

For the rest of us... yanno... not necessarily Trump supporters but ranging anywhere from "die hards" all the way down to "don't give a shits" that weren't on the Hate Trump bandwagon from day one, the only "evidence" that matters will be if he is found guilty.

Most of us don't have the time for any of this bullshit. Too much stuff to do in the actual real world.

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Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:23 PM

OONJERAH


A cousin of mine cried a Lot when Trump won the election.
It had nothing to do with Hillary.

I Do Not Know Why both major parties offered us Shit Candidates!



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:08 PM

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Its kuz the prosess iz junk. It duz not select the best & britest.

No defens agenst parasites (political partyz) and insufficient immunity to money.



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Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'm in 100% agreement with the previous two posts.

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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:15 PM

THGRRI


White House Refuses House Investigation Request On Rob Porter

WASHINGTON ? White House officials are refusing to turn over information to congressional leaders on their handling of domestic abuse allegations against former top aide Rob Porter, further raising questions about the Trump administration’s already muddled explanations.

House Oversight Committee chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) launched an investigation into the White House’s handling of the matter on Feb. 14, giving chief of staff John Kelly a deadline of Feb. 28 to submit information, particularly on why Porter worked under an interim security clearance to handle sensitive information.

But in a letter on Thursday night, first reported by Talking Points Memo, White House Director of Legislative Affairs Marc Short did not provide answers to the committee’s questions about Porter, and suggested to Gowdy that officials would not cooperate until a later time.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-refuses-house-investigation-163
143421.html



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Friday, March 9, 2018 7:59 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Thats bekuz the old saying 'you can provide Rachel Maddow links to 6stringjack, but you cant make him watch' iz true.



You're talking about woman who actually cried on air when Hillary lost, J0.


You gotta help me on that one - I searched youtube and only found "Maddow Breaks down" clips that were obviously phonies. Did you see it or just hear that?

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]




That is the face of a woman who just lost her children in a house fire.

As you know, Maddow or her news network doesn't keep her videos online very long. Many times when J0 posts a link to one of her videos they don't work a few weeks later.

If anybody could find the actual video of her realizing that Hillary lost, I would appreciate it.



I actually did see it. I was enjoying watching people like her and The Young Turks heads explode, so I stopped watching people that were hopeful for a Trump win so I could see the breakdowns instead. Admittedly, I was still in a pretty dark place back then.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:29 AM

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#10,235
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/russian-connection-what-h
appened-moscow-inside-story-trump-obsession-putin-david-corn-michael-isikoff
/
Quote:

Trump was finally on his way in Russia. And shortly after the Miss Universe event, Agalarov’s daughter showed up at the Miss Universe office in New York City bearing a gift for Trump from Putin. It was a black lacquered box. Inside was a sealed letter from the Russian autocrat. What the letter said has never been revealed.


Wy do you think Mr. Shameless Braggart woud not be Trumpeting hiz special messaj from hiz hero to the world? Completely out uv karakter for the guy who puts framed picturez uv himself everywhere. A man so desperate for adulation that he put framed picturez uv hiz inaguaration az Prezident up 2 dayz afterward bogusly claiming 'the biggest crowd ever'!

Yet here he gets a sealed letter in a fansy black laquered box hand delivered and he keeps it a secret. Hmmm.

Gotta be bad. REEEELLY FREEKIN BAD!

My gess: It wuz to inform him uv all the Kompromat Putin haz on him. A document uv ownership. 'You are my puppet.'

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
#10,235
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/russian-connection-what-h
appened-moscow-inside-story-trump-obsession-putin-david-corn-michael-isikoff
/
Quote:

Trump was finally on his way in Russia. And shortly after the Miss Universe event, Agalarov’s daughter showed up at the Miss Universe office in New York City bearing a gift for Trump from Putin. It was a black lacquered box. Inside was a sealed letter from the Russian autocrat. What the letter said has never been revealed.


Wy do you think Mr. Shameless Braggart woud not be Trumpeting hiz special messaj from hiz hero to the world? Completely out uv karakter for the guy who puts framed picturez uv himself everywhere. A man so desperate for adulation that he put framed picturez uv hiz inaguaration az Prezident up 2 dayz afterward bogusly claiming 'the biggest crowd ever'!

Yet here he gets a sealed letter in a fansy black laquered box hand delivered and he keeps it a secret. Hmmm.

Gotta be bad. REEEELLY FREEKIN BAD!

My gess: It wuz to inform him uv all the Kompromat Putin haz on him. A document uv ownership. 'You are my puppet.'

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Quote:

This is the first of two excerpts adapted from Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump (Twelve Books), by Michael Isikoff, chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News, and David Corn, Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones. The book will be released on March 13.


So we're supposed to believe that Trump allowed a guy from Yahoo News and Mother Jones to tag along and document stuff they could have otherwise never known as it occurred?

I don't see anything in the article stating where this information would have been obtained.


Maybe I missed Trump's tweet where he said "Neener Neener, America! You'll never know what was in Agalarov’s daughter's box!"

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:17 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That is the face of a woman who just lost her children in a house fire.

As you know, Maddow or her news network doesn't keep her videos online very long. Many times when J0 posts a link to one of her videos they don't work a few weeks later.

If anybody could find the actual video of her realizing that Hillary lost, I would appreciate it.

I actually did see it. I was enjoying watching people like her and The Young Turks heads explode, so I stopped watching people that were hopeful for a Trump win so I could see the breakdowns instead. Admittedly, I was still in a pretty dark place back then.




Yeah, that's what I thought - you were drunk or full of shit or both. People can manipulate video just like still images and if a person wants to bad enough they'll fall for anything.
I switched around to all channels that night including Fux. I had never watched MSNBC because I couldn't stand her (shrill) and Williams was tainted, but their coverage was superior to the others imho. Matthews has some serious political chops, and Maddow actually held her own with him. She actually was laughing after they called it and made jokes and that made me want to watch her more, see if she knew her stuff (she did, she does). She has so far been the best MSM show for content that I've seen. Not surprised you fell for it - content ain't your thing.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 5:00 PM

THGRRI


Paper says Lamb win could lead to impeachment

The conservative Pittsburgh Post-Gazette editorial board has offered a novel endorsement of Republican Rick Saccone in Tuesday's surprisingly competitive special congressional election.

The newspaper says Democrat Conor Lamb is impressive, but argues that an upset in Pennsylvania could start a "Democratic wave" that would lead to President Donald Trump's impeachment.

https://www.ajc.com/news/the-latest-paper-says-lamb-win-could-lead-imp
eachment/wekjxq3eCV0bjSNgCd6QGM
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Monday, March 12, 2018 6:20 PM

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Quote:

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Yeah, that's what I thought - you were drunk or full of shit or both. People can manipulate video just like still images and if a person wants to bad enough they'll fall for anything.
I switched around to all channels that night including Fux. I had never watched MSNBC because I couldn't stand her (shrill) and Williams was tainted, but their coverage was superior to the others imho. Matthews has some serious political chops, and Maddow actually held her own with him. She actually was laughing after they called it and made jokes and that made me want to watch her more, see if she knew her stuff (she did, she does). She has so far been the best MSM show for content that I've seen. Not surprised you fell for it - content ain't your thing.



I didn't say that I was full of shit. I was drunk, but remember that night I was the one who wrote a post that T said was "righteous" and I was imploring you idiots to stop fighting.

Are you saying that those vid clips of her were doctored and she didn't cry? There are obvious tags underneath her that this was coverage from election night.

That was a very long night. Maybe at the end of it she "manned up" and stopped her crying and put on a happy face, but those images of her crying were real, and they were from that night. That was her initial and honest response to the events as they began to unfold.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 11:07 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Introduction to Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump
www.amazon.com/Russian-Roulette-Inside-America-Election-ebook/dp/B075W
VX3MS


Donald Trump was suspicious from the start.

It was the afternoon of January 6, 2017, and for two hours, the president-elect had sat in a conference room at Trump Tower and listened to the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community brief him on an extraordinary document: a report their agencies had produced concluding that the Russian government had mounted a massive covert influence campaign aimed at disrupting the country’s political system and electing him president of the United States. Trump had controlled his anger during this meeting—at times raising questions, expressing doubts, and clinging to the idea that it might all be a lie, part of some Deep State plot to taint his defeat of Hillary Clinton the previous November and undermine his authority as president.

When the spy chiefs—Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, CIA director John Brennan, and National Security Agency director Adm. Michael Rogers—left the room, one of them stayed behind. FBI director James Comey then handed Trump something else. It was a two-page synopsis of reports prepared by a former British spy alleging that Trump and his campaign had actively collaborated with Moscow. The memos claimed Russian intelligence had collected compromising material on Trump that could be used to blackmail him, including a tape of him engaging in sordid behavior with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room. The FBI was not giving him this information because it believed the reports, Comey explained to Trump. In fact, the Bureau hadn’t confirmed any of the lurid details—and Comey told him that he was not personally under investigation. But the material was circulating within the media and might become public. The intelligence community, Comey said, merely wanted to provide him a heads-up.

When Comey left, Trump was incensed. “It’s bullshit,” he told his aides. None of this was true. The discussion turned to why Comey had gone through this exercise. Suddenly, it all made sense to Trump. He knew exactly what this was.

“It’s a shakedown,” Trump exclaimed. They were blackmailing him. Comey—no doubt, with the approval of the others—was trying to send him a message. They had something on him.

Trump had seen this sort of thing before. Certainly, his old mentor Roy Cohn—the notorious fixer for mobsters and crooked pols—knew how this worked. So too did Comey’s most famous predecessor, J. Edgar Hoover, who had quietly let it be known to politicians and celebrities that he possessed information that could destroy their careers in a New York minute.

Now, as Trump saw it, Comey and the rest were trying to do this to him. But he was not about to let them.

Trump’s anger that day helped set the tone for one of the most tumultuous presidencies in American history. His first year in office would be filled with fits of rage at his political enemies, bizarre early-morning tweet storms, and repeated denunciations of the purveyors of “fake news” who challenged his honesty, his competency, and even his mental stability. Much of this turmoil related to the relentless investigations of Russia’s attack on the 2016 election—a subject that infuriated Trump more than anything else. Russia had become a rallying cry for his tormentors—the original sin of his presidency, a scandal that raised questions about both his legitimacy and the nation’s vulnerability to covert information warfare. Yet Trump defiantly refused to acknowledge Russia’s extensive assault as a real and significant event. In his mind, any inquiry into the matter was nothing but an effort to destroy him.

The Russia scandal, though, dated back decades. For years, Trump had pursued business deals in Russia, continuing to do so even through the first months of his presidential campaign—and this colored how he would engage with the autocratic, repressive, and dangerous Russian leader, Vladimir Putin. The Trump-Russia tale was rooted in the larger post-Cold War geopolitical clash between the United States and Russia, a conflict that Moscow in 2016 shifted into the cyber shadows to gain a strategic advantage.

With Trump unable or unwilling to come to terms with Putin’s war on American democracy, it fell to government investigators and reporters to piece together the complete story—an endeavor that could take years to complete. This book is a first step toward that. No matter how Trump regarded the scandal, one thing was for certain: To prevent a future attack, the American public and its leaders had to know and face what had occurred. A thorough accounting was a national necessity.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

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Donald Trump was suspicious from the start.

It was the afternoon of January 6, 2017...



Can you see how this doesn't mean anything when it comes from people who woke up on November 8, 2016 after a full night of tears and a vendetta on their brain?

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:56 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


No.

But I can see how Trump supporterz can uze that to frame a story about bias.

The Congressional 'investigation' found no evidens uv colusion. They shoud start working on improving conditionz in prizonz wile they can.

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