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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wrong kind of lab, sweetie.

And that still doesn't change the fact that one of THE most vital claims - that Veselnitskaya has links to the Kremlin - is completely unsupported by anything. Without that vital piece of information, every attempt to link Trump Jr to the Kremlin goes out the window. How could such an important piece of information have been given such shoddy reporting, one has to wonder. Because - AS I ALREADY POINTED OUT - ASSUMING that it's not fabricated completely, WaPo got that piece of information SOMEwhere. Don't you agree? So, why not divulge the source and buttress that one vital fact about something that actually happened?

Reporters may or may not have motivation to fake their news reports, depending on how heavily their bosses pressure them to produce a certain kind of story. But if reporters had zero motivation, we'd never have heard the phrase FAKE NEWS.

And FAKE NEWS is everywhere.

LOGIC. Learn it. Use it.




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:11 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wrong kind of lab, sweetie.

And that still doesn't change the fact that one of THE most vital claims - that Veselnitskaya has links to the Kremlin - is completely unsupported by anything. Without that vital piece of information, every attempt to link Trump Jr to the Kremlin goes out the window




Opps


Donald Trump Jr.’s Russian Connection Has Ties to Former Kremlin Spies

William Browder, an American financier who has investigated Russian corruption for more than a decade, will brief the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing next week on the lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya’s ties to the Russian government—including to former top members of the GRU and the FSB, two of the Kremlin’s main intelligence agencies. Those ties were spelled out in documents that Browder shared with the committee and provided to The Daily Beast this week.

The documents provided by Browder delve into the backgrounds of attorneys, lobbyists, and business executives behind what Browder says is a concerted push by the Russian government to roll back U.S. sanctions imposed in 2012. That network is also at the center of new evidence that Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, solicited damaging information on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton from people whom he was told were representing, and passing on information from, the Russian government.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jrs-russian-connection-has-t
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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:11 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wrong kind of lab, sweetie.

And that still doesn't change the fact that one of THE most vital claims - that Veselnitskaya has links to the Kremlin - is completely unsupported by anything. Without that vital piece of information, every attempt to link Trump Jr to the Kremlin goes out the window. How could such an important piece of information have been given such shoddy reporting, one has to wonder. Because - AS I ALREADY POINTED OUT - ASSUMING that it's not fabricated completely, WaPo got that piece of information SOMEwhere. Don't you agree? So, why not divulge the source and buttress that one vital fact about something that actually happened?

Reporters may or may not have motivation to fake their news reports, depending on how heavily their bosses pressure them to produce a certain kind of story. But if reporters had zero motivation, we'd never have heard the phrase FAKE NEWS.

And FAKE NEWS is everywhere.

LOGIC. Learn it. Use it.

1kiki, would it really have been too much trouble for you to repeat what kind of lab you work at, in what city? It would have given me a clue to check. I need soft verification that you are what you claim you are. For example, you once passed yourself off as the lefty hater of Hillary to Signym's right-winger Hillary hater. Now you're using the FAKE NEWS mime. That is a right-wing concept to protect themselves. Accusing the media of being FAKE doesn't work, except inside your head. The GOP claims that the media is a liberal conspiracy against them and they prove it by saying FAKE NEWS frequently, as if lying about what is FAKE changes anything outside your head.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:13 PM

THGRRI


SECOND, don't follow the lights.





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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wrong kind of lab, sweetie.

And that still doesn't change the fact that one of THE most vital claims - that Veselnitskaya has links to the Kremlin - is completely unsupported by anything. Without that vital piece of information, every attempt to link Trump Jr to the Kremlin goes out the window. How could such an important piece of information have been given such shoddy reporting, one has to wonder. Because - AS I ALREADY POINTED OUT - ASSUMING that it's not fabricated completely, WaPo got that piece of information SOMEwhere. Don't you agree? So, why not divulge the source and buttress that one vital fact about something that actually happened?

Reporters may or may not have motivation to fake their news reports, depending on how heavily their bosses pressure them to produce a certain kind of story. But if reporters had zero motivation, we'd never have heard the phrase FAKE NEWS.

And FAKE NEWS is everywhere.

LOGIC. Learn it. Use it.

1kiki, would it really have been too much trouble for you to repeat what kind of lab you work at, in what city? It would have given me a clue to check. I need soft verification that you are what you claim you are. For example, you once passed yourself off as the lefty hater of Hillary to Signym's right-winger Hillary hater. Now you're using the FAKE NEWS mime. That is a right-wing concept to protect themselves. Accusing the media of being FAKE doesn't work, except inside your head. The GOP claims that the media is a liberal conspiracy against them and they prove it by saying FAKE NEWS frequently, as if lying about what is FAKE changes anything outside your head.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly






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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:46 PM

JO753

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Thats odd, 1KIKI. Iznt Siggy also in California working for sum gummit regulatory ajensy?

Sorry, I havent followed everybodyz posts here, so get confuzed about who everybody iz. But there seemz to be sum coisidens going on here. Perhaps sum sock puppetry?

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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Thats odd, 1KIKI. Iznt Siggy also in California working for sum gummit regulatory ajensy?

Sorry, I havent followed everybodyz posts here, so get confuzed about who everybody iz. But there seemz to be sum coisidens going on here. Perhaps sum sock puppetry?



Son, there are so many regulatory labs in CA, even I don't know them all!

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:51 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


OK. That soundz reazonable.



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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just to give you more info, I started tying to total up the ones I knew about ...


Each Sanitation District has at least one lab. The one I'm most familiar with, LA County Sanitation District, or LACSD for short - which operates landfills and sewage treatment plants- has three large labs and 14 outlying locations.

The CA state Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC) has several labs in Sacramento (state capital) and at least one in Pasadena (LA area).

Each large water provider has a lab: DWP, MWD, EBMUD etc

Each air pollution control district (approximately one per county, except San Joaquin Valley AQMD and South Coast AQMD, which are multi-county special districts) has a lab, and CA state Air Resources Board (CARB) has one lab in the LA area and many lab locations in Sacramento.

And then there are the oddball "Health Department" labs; the one we've worked with most frequently is Long Beach.

Plus the Inspection lab that examine imports for things like radiological hazards, heavy metals, and phthalates in children's toys.

I haven't even gotten to the various government-hospital labs.

Not trying to drive a point home, I just thought you'd find the info interesting, since most people don't know about that aspect, and would probably never find out unless you specifically went looking, yanno?




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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:18 AM

JO753

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Trump & frenz are now in staje 5, denying that collusion iz illegal (the equivelent uv a heroin addict claiming its not harmful). Trumps lawyer, Sekulow haz been spouting that for the last 9 dayz on hiz I'm Not Don Jr'z Attorney tour.

Herez sum uv the actual lawz relating to this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/904

https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

An interesting read:
https://www.gsa.gov/portal/forms/download/116390, the SF86 aplication for security clearans.

Its foolish to believ that its just a wild coinsidens that ALL the Trump gang memberz 'forgot' to mention their Russian contacts on this form. It wuz obviously an order by The Donald himself in servis uv the cover up.



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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Trump & frenz are now in staje 5, denying that collusion iz illegal (the equivelent uv a heroin addict claiming its not harmful). Trumps lawyer, Sekulow haz been spouting that for the last 9 dayz on hiz I'm Not Don Jr'z Attorney tour.

Herez sum uv the actual lawz relating to this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/904

https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

An interesting read:
https://www.gsa.gov/portal/forms/download/116390, the SF86 aplication for security clearans.

Its foolish to believ that its just a wild coinsidens that ALL the Trump gang memberz 'forgot' to mention their Russian contacts on this form. It wuz obviously an order by The Donald himself in servis uv the cover up.




Sad when you see people parrot FoxNews.

Just to review because some people here don't seem to understand: people don't lie to cover up their good deeds.

And: the more dangerous and incriminating the deed the bigger the lie, the bigger the (attempted) cover up. That indicates to me that we're talking whopper sized misconduct by Trump and team.

Sekulow was so funny in how much of a hurry he was in to established, "I'm Not Don Jr'z Attorney!" Don Jr., meet bus. Then Trump's send off to his son, the almost melancholy, "Don's a good boy" which had the ring of, "he's weak, he's honest and that never gets anyone anywhere! You see this parent's dilemma? You have to love you kids no matter what tho, right?"

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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

... without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to, or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
Who is "the enemy"? Are we at war with Russia? Did you miss that part?

You see, JO, GSTRING .... you only see what you want to see.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:36 PM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Are we at war with Russia?



Paid by the post - there's no other explanation. Here's 5 cents.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:42 PM

SECOND

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

... without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to, or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
Who is "the enemy"? Are we at war with Russia? Did you miss that part?

You see, JO, GSTRING .... you only see what you want to see.

Donald Trump Had a Very, Very Private Meeting With Vladimir Putin

President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group….Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin’s translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.

Two things. First, if Trump were really a decent negotiator, he would have insisted on not even having Putin’s translator present. Putin speaks perfectly good English.

Second, what the fuckety fuck fuck? A meeting with only Rex Tillerson present wasn’t enough? Trump had to have another meeting with literally no other American in the room? What does he have to say to Putin that he’s afraid of anyone hearing him say?

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/donald-trump-had-a-very-very-pr
ivate-meeting-with-vladimir-putin
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Friday, July 21, 2017 3:15 PM

THGRRI


Exclusive: Moscow lawyer who met Trump Jr. had Russian spy agency as client

MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr. after his father won the Republican nomination for the 2016 U.S. presidential election counted Russia's FSB security service among her clients for years, Russian court documents seen by Reuters show.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-lawyer-exclusive-id
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Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:18 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Deeep doodoo getting deeper & deeper faster & faster.

Collusion passed the point uv undeniability a long time ago. Its only Putin operativez and idiot Trump supporterz who are still denying it.

I'm thinking uv making up an award contest. You haf to be an anti-Sherlock Holmes to not be able to put the cluez together on this. The dots are so numorous and big that they overlap, so no connecting iz needed. The anti-Sherlock haz to actually shrink and spred them apart to support hiz opinion!

How about The Kolresh Semlo Prize? (cant just revers Sherlock Holmes bekuz uv the non-fonetic nature uv English spelling)

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Saturday, July 22, 2017 11:27 AM

6STRINGJOKER


The people getting paid to do it should probably do something about it then, huh J0?

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So put those dots together. With links and quotes and EVIDENCE. Where was the collusion? Who was in on it? What came out of it? You seem to think the whole package is there. Spell it out.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Deeep doodoo getting deeper & deeper faster & faster.

Collusion passed the point uv undeniability a long time ago. Its only Putin operativez and idiot Trump supporterz who are still denying it.

I'm thinking uv making up an award contest. You haf to be an anti-Sherlock Holmes to not be able to put the cluez together on this. The dots are so numorous and big that they overlap, so no connecting iz needed. The anti-Sherlock haz to actually shrink and spred them apart to support hiz opinion!

How about The Kolresh Semlo Prize? (cant just revers Sherlock Holmes bekuz uv the non-fonetic nature uv English spelling)

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:01 AM

JO753

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A commentator I saw on an MSNBC show a few weeks bak sed sumthing like 'we got drunk on the scandalz Trump iz creating. With each wun we are taking a swig uv wisky, slamming down the glass and thinking 'thats it, he'z dun for now!' and yet he'z still the Prez. Still not in jail.'

He wuz rite about that, so I think its jenerally a good thing that Mueller iz keeping a lid on the leaks, even tho it feelz like we are going to be kept in the dark so they can sweep it all under the rug.

This leavez us to speculate on wut he iz up to.

Mueller'z stratejy must be to get Trump & Pence out uv offis befor filing any inditements in order to cut off the pardon power.

With Sessionz and at least sum memberz uv the GoP house & senate working to hinder the investigation, it coud end with Meuller having to go to the Supreme Court to bring the perps to justis.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:04 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
A commentator I saw on an MSNBC show a few weeks bak sed sumthing like 'we got drunk on the scandalz Trump iz creating.



He left out the part about getting rich off of the scandals Trump was creating.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Mueller'z stratejy must be to get Trump & Pence out uv offis befor filing any inditements in order to cut off the pardon power.




Some speculate New York State attorney general, Eric Schneiderman is acting in part as a way to avoid the pardon power Trump would be able to wield if Mueller's investigation gets too deep. He is already going after the son and some of Trump's other dealings (god bless him). I've only seen him speak for a short segment, but my impression is he's pretty deeply offended by Trump's behavior and general contempt for the law.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/ny-ag-sues-trump-for-peeling-back-ob
amas-fuel-efficiency-rules
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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I seriously doubt that Trump would ever pardon himself or his family or cronies that actively committed treason or whatever. You guys really got an imagination on you. Or at least the people writing the scripts for MSNBC do anyhow.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:21 PM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I seriously doubt that Trump would ever pardon himself or his family or cronies that actively committed treason or whatever. You guys really got an imagination on you. Or at least the people writing the scripts for MSNBC do anyhow.



So he would pardon Sheriff Joe but not his son? Yeah, that makes sense.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:05 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Sheriff Joe was doing his job. Even if he had done something wrong, criminal contempt of court charges aren't anywhere close to treason.



You're saying that Trump or somebody close to him commits treason and is nailed for it, and he gives himself or them a get out of jail free card immediately with the eyes of the world watching it happen.

Huge difference.


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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:26 AM

JO753

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It bizar and funny that you think Trump wud think twise about pardoning himself or any uv hiz gang. Az if the crimez themselvez were the limit for him. 'That woud be too outrajus! I will not cross that line!'

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:49 AM

6STRINGJOKER


It's only bizarre and funny to somebody who drank the Kool Aid that Rachel Maddow and crew has been passing out.

I haven't seen any proof that Trump did any of this shit you've been talking about J0. Just a bunch of anonymous sources and circumstantial evidence, and a press that has dogged him since before he took office.

There's no reason to believe that Trump would pardon anyone, particularly himself, if he were convicted of treason charges. I'd like to think that even if this were true that we have a system of checks and balances in place that would nullify such actions.

If it ever were to happen. I'll admit I was wrong and rally against him like I did GWB.

G's example of Sheriff Joe is textbook false equivalency. What do you have?

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:28 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I'd like to think that even if this were true that we have a system of checks and balances in place that would nullify such actions.



The system iz dependent on the senatorz and congressmen to be loyal to the country above all else. The swer an oath to uphold the Constitution. They prezumably hav the best interest uv their districts in mind.

That iznt the case. They are more loyal to their party, especially the GoPs.

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If it ever were to happen. I'll admit I was wrong and rally against him like I did GWB.


Then you are depending on the GoPs to hand you your opinion.

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G's example of Sheriff Joe is textbook false equivalency. What do you have?


No it iznt. Look up false equivelensy. Even if it fit the definition, it woud be rong. Malfeazans & disobediens are far below treazon.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:41 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I'd like to think that even if this were true that we have a system of checks and balances in place that would nullify such actions.

The system iz dependent on the senatorz and congressmen to be loyal to the country above all else. The swer an oath to uphold the Constitution. They prezumably hav the best interest uv their districts in mind.

That iznt the case. They are more loyal to their party, especially the GoPs.-J0



Especially the GOPs? [Citation Needed]

You've watched too much TV or something J0. I can't even respond to your fantasy bullshit here. I think a treason conviction on the President would immediately terminate his position, in the first place. There wouldn't be any pardon power left. If I'm wrong about that, this is a major fucking flaw in the system that somebody should have addressed in the last 240 years.

I'm not even going to bother listing the many, many ways and reasons that this would never happen. It will never happen.

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If it ever were to happen. I'll admit I was wrong and rally against him like I did GWB. -6ix

Then you are depending on the GoPs to hand you your opinion. -J0



Bullshit. I would be relying on a court of law presenting a case and finding Trump guilty of Treason. Then I would watch with the rest of the world as your wet dream comes true and he uses his pardoning powers to absolve himself of it.

Pot calling Kettle, aren't you J0. You haven't had a thought in your head since January that Maddow or Olbermann didn't put there.

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G's example of Sheriff Joe is textbook false equivalency. What do you have?

No it iznt. Look up false equivelensy. Even if it fit the definition, it woud be rong. Malfeazans & disobediens are far below treazon.



Yes it is. You just illustrated my point with your last sentence. G was falsely equvilating Trump pardoning Sheriff Joe for criminal contempt of court to pardoning his son from Treason.

Criminal Contempt of Court = Treason?

I don't think so.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
G's example of Sheriff Joe is textbook false equivalency.



It's text book NOT false equivalency. I'm showing you how they are in fact, completely DIFFERENT. How if he'd pardon a mostly complete f*cking stranger who was found guilty by his own dept of justice btw, he'd sure as hell pardon his own kid, BECAUSE they aren't the same. F*cksake.... the charges don't matter because his family means more.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:36 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
G's example of Sheriff Joe is textbook false equivalency.



It's text book NOT false equivalency. I'm showing you how they are in fact, completely DIFFERENT. How if he'd pardon a mostly complete f*cking stranger who was found guilty by his own dept of justice btw, he'd sure as hell pardon his own kid, BECAUSE they aren't the same. F*cksake.... the charges don't matter because his family means more.

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He pardoned Sheriff Joe because of the idea, not the person. Sheriff Joe was doing his job. The court told him not to do his job. He was found guilty of contempt of court and they threw the book at him as hard as they could to make an example of him.

Sheriff Joe was also turned into a criminal because of an idea, not the person.




It does matter, and your comparison is bunk. Criminal Contempt of Court is a slap on the wrist compared to Treason, which is punishable by death. If they actually committed Treason and then he somehow hands out pardons without people burning down the white house.... why am I even talking about this.

It won't happen.

You are basing this off of nothing but feels.

Crazy talk, is all.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

He pardoned Sheriff Joe because of the idea, not the person.



Sheriff Joe was pardoned because he was a loyal Trump supporter who furthered Trump anti-immigration agenda. This was what his base loves to see. You can't pardon someone for "an idea."

Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
He was found guilty of contempt of court and they threw the book at him as hard as they could to make an example of him.



Great.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Sheriff Joe was also turned into a criminal because of an idea, not the person.



He turned himself into a criminal by breaking the law. That's how it happens.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
It does matter, and your comparison is bunk. Criminal Contempt of Court is a slap on the wrist compared to Treason, which is punishable by death. If they actually committed Treason and then he somehow hands out pardons without people burning down the white house....



So you think Trump won't pardon his kids if they are faced with a "punishable by death" illegal act?? You still don't see how different these cases are even though YOU point out how different they are?

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
why am I even talking about this.



I have no idea, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:30 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

You are basing this off of nothing but feels.

Crazy talk, is all.

Why Mueller is drilling into Trump’s role in drafting Don Jr.’s false Russia statement

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-mueller-is-drilling-into-trump%e2%
80%99s-role-in-drafting-don-jr%e2%80%99s-false-russia-statement/ar-AArS8aB?oci


Earlier this year, when reporters were sniffing around Donald Trump Jr.’s now-infamous June 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney, some people inside the Trump camp wanted to come clean: to issue a statement saying that Trump Jr.’s meeting was about getting Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The president, however, disagreed.

During a flight on Air Force One in July, he personally dictated a statement to White House spokesperson Hope Hicks saying that the meeting “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children.”

That statement, released on July 8 and attributed to Donald Trump Jr., was quickly shown to be verifiably false. And several reports released in the past week indicate that special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating just how it was drafted. The Daily Beast, for example, reported on September 8 that Hicks herself will almost certainly be questioned regarding the statement’s composition. The Washington Post reported on the same day that five other Trump aides would also be questioned, and that the July 8 statement would likely be a focus of some of those conversations as well.

Lying to the press is not a crime. But there’s a reason Mueller seems to be focusing so much on this statement anyway: The circumstances around its drafting may be a uniquely good source of evidence of obstruction of justice, committed either by Trump or his close associates. It’s the kind of evidence that could be used to support impeachment charges against the president and criminal charges against some of his associates.

“The fact that the president was so intensely involved in it, and felt a desire to intensely involved in crafting it, raises questions about his intent and knowledge,” Renato Mariotti, a partner at Thompson Coburn LLP and former federal prosecutor, says. “That could make it easier for Mueller to meet his burden of proof as to an obstruction of justice charge.”

The reason this matters so much: it speaks to Trump’s intent.

To prove obstruction of justice, the law requires prosecutors to prove that their intentions were corrupt. But intent is hard to prove in a criminal case. It requires prosecutors to show what someone was thinking, and people often don’t leave verifiable proof of their thought process lying around. The conversations surrounding the July 8 letter’s drafting, however, create a situation where intent could actually be uncovered.

During the Air Force One flight, Trump and his top associates sat down and discussed how to handle the Trump Jr. Russia meeting. The specific reasoning that led them to decide on lying as a PR strategy could end up pointing to evidence of intent to obstruct justice by the president and/or his staff.

“It helps to establish a pattern of deception,” says Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security. “If Mueller’s point is that the president has been trying to either interfere with the investigation into any potential ties between the Trump campaign with the Russians, or himself might be implicated ... engaging in this form of deception could be significant and could be entered into a trial.”

This what makes Hicks, who was officially appointed White House communications director in mid-September, such a significant figure. She reportedly argued in favor of coming clean about the meeting’s true purpose in July and was overruled. This means she could speak to the reasoning that was used to overrule her — reasoning that could, arguably, reveal criminal intent. So too could any other Trump aides present during the discussion.

It’s unlikely that anything uncovered by Mueller would lead him to file criminal charges against Trump.

The Office of Legal Counsel, whose guidelines govern the Justice Department, has advised since 2000 that sitting presidents cannot be indicted. Legal experts disagree about whether this guidance is correct, but both Mariotti and Goodman believe that Mueller would be unlikely to try to push it. Instead, they say, any untoward behavior by Trump uncovered during an investigation of July 8 statement could be handed over to Congress for impeachment proceedings. So even though Mueller isn’t likely to indict Trump himself, he’ll continuing investigating potential criminal wrongdoing by the president.

When it comes to Trump associates, like Donald Trump Jr. or Jared Kushner, the indictments are a very real possibility. This meeting could uncover either evidence of their intent or even evidence of new crimes, like lying to Congress.

“It puts Donald Trump Jr. into great jeopardy: According to news reports, Don Jr. told the Senate Judiciary committee that he did not inform his father about the meeting. That would be a materially false statement,” Goodman says.

None of this means that the July 8 meeting is the smoking gun, that it will provide the single piece of evidence necessary for Trump Jr.’s indictment.

What it does show, though, is that Mueller is systematically compiling evidence that could be used to put together criminal indictments or fuel an impeachment drive. He’s doing what federal investigators do when they’re getting a serious case: Building up as much evidence as possible in order to guarantee a conviction if they go to trial. That should very much worry the Trump team.

“Proving that someone obstructed justice, particularly in a very unusual fact pattern like this, is a challenge,” Mariotti says. “Anything like this that makes his job significantly easier is important, because it suggests that something that seems on its face very difficult to do is closer to the realm of possibility.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:13 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Bill Mahr puts it all together the old skool way - on a cork bulletin board!



He really underlinez how stoopidly obvious this hole thing iz near the end.

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Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:29 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Hole thing?

Like this?


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Monday, October 2, 2017 3:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Billy must be smoking some primo stuff to spout that kind of gibberish on national TV without the least bit of embarrassment.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, October 2, 2017 5:12 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


BRAKING NEWZ!!!!

Trump, Pence, Kushner & 53 more administration officialz and personel led away in cuffs! Further indictments filed on cabinet!

Kerfuffle at JFK az Trump family attempts to flee to Moscow on Trump's private airliner. Secret Service, DC sherrif's deputyz tangle with private security goonz.

Manafort, Flynn flip with plea dealz.

Roger Stone escapes to Venezuella.

Eric slips away, found later hiding behind toilet in airport ladyz washroom with bakpak full uv cash.

Its all happening NOW! More detailz & links later.




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Monday, October 2, 2017 5:20 PM

6STRINGJOKER


lol... links to come later because there aren't any now.

What are you smokin' buddy?

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Monday, October 2, 2017 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's kind of a measure of desperation when the paranoids have to switch from the news, no matter how biased (WaPo, NYT, CNN) to "commentators" (Maddow) to comedians (Maher) for their "evidens".

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, October 2, 2017 6:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's kind of a measure of desperation when the paranoids have to switch from the news, no matter how biased (WaPo, NYT, CNN) to "commentators" (Maddow) to comedians (Maher) for their "evidens".

Don't forget how they have to resort to making up fake news right here on this website ...





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, October 2, 2017 6:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Speaking of fake news and things that never happened ...

remember when our so-called Department of 'Homeland' Security went all like 'they hacked voting systems!' on us?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/dhs-tells-state
s-about-russian-hacking-during-2016-election/2017/09/22/fd263a2c-9fe2-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html

DHS tells states about Russian hacking during 2016 election

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/23/what-we-know
-about-the-21-states-targeted-by-russian-hackers
/
What we know about the 21 states targeted by Russian hackers

It turns out that didn't happen, exactly. After both Wisconsin and California*
examined the claim and found it seriously flawed

https://www.apnews.com/10a0080e8fcb4908ae4a852e8c03194d?utm_campaign=S
ocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APCentralRegion

Homeland Security now says Wisconsin elections not targeted

* “Last Friday, my office was notified by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Russian cyber actors 'scanned' California’s Internet-facing systems in 2016, including Secretary of State websites. Following our request for further information, it became clear that DHS’ conclusions were wrong.”

“DHS confirmed that Russian scanning activity had actually occurred on the California Department of Technology statewide network, not any Secretary of State website. Based on this additional information, California voters can further rest assured that the California Secretary of State elections infrastructure and websites were not hacked or breached by Russian cyber actors.”

“Our notification from DHS last Friday was not only a year late, it also turned out to be bad information. To make matters worse, the Associated Press similarly reported that DHS has reversed itself and 'now says Russia didn’t target Wisconsin’s voter registration system,' which is contrary to previous briefings.”

“The work of our intelligence agencies is critical in defending against cyber threats. I remain committed to a partnership with DHS and other intelligence agencies, however, elections officials and the American public expect and deserve timely and accurate information.”




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, October 2, 2017 10:00 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:Don't forget how they have to resort to making up fake news right here on this website ...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol... links to come later because there aren't any now.

What are you smokin' buddy?



So you can tell the differens! Such a suprize, I thot I coud get away with anything with you guyz.

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Tuesday, October 3, 2017 1:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SECOND would be a more appropriate subject, since it does nothing BUT spread fake news. But then, you're too much of a dimbulb to notice.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, October 3, 2017 12:03 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:Don't forget how they have to resort to making up fake news right here on this website ...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol... links to come later because there aren't any now.

What are you smokin' buddy?



So you can tell the differens! Such a suprize, I thot I coud get away with anything with you guyz.



Yep. Because I have proven time and time again that I believe everything that the MSM tells me. I am the most gullible person in the world.

Oh wait. Sorry. My reply had our pronouns mixed up.

Replace the I's with You's.

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Tuesday, October 3, 2017 12:34 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
BRAKING NEWZ!!!!

Trump, Pence, Kushner & 53 more administration officialz and personel led away in cuffs! Further indictments filed on cabinet!

Kerfuffle at JFK az Trump family attempts to flee to Moscow on Trump's private airliner. Secret Service, DC sherrif's deputyz tangle with private security goonz.

Manafort, Flynn flip with plea dealz.

Roger Stone escapes to Venezuella.

Eric slips away, found later hiding behind toilet in airport ladyz washroom with bakpak full uv cash.

Its all happening NOW! More detailz & links later.




Young Donald Jr, Crushed by angry Moose! Stuck in antlers for days!

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Tuesday, October 3, 2017 1:06 PM

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Tuesday, October 3, 2017 10:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Bill Mahr puts it all together the old skool way - on a cork bulletin board!



He really underlinez how stoopidly obvious this hole thing iz near the end.

More and more postings of....no evidence.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:37 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/24/1709425/-Abramson-The-Impe
achable-Crime-from-which-the-cover-up-flows


Even the stoopid GoPs are starting to realize Trump iz a liability to them. In my opinion they hav earned a Treazon charje for themselvez.

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Friday, October 27, 2017 3:52 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


A hint that panic iz setting in?

The GoPs are refloating the long debunked Uranium 1 / Billary 'scandal' to try to distract from the Trumputin conspirasy.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-uranium-20171027-story
.html


(edited to replase a deleted video for the 2nd time. The repackajed MSNBC stuff duznt seem to last long)
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Friday, October 27, 2017 5:10 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This thread just seems like the biggest circle jerk for gullible Libtards. Nothing of substance, but the Libtards are getting covered in splooge.

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Friday, October 27, 2017 9:28 PM

OONJERAH



JSF: "the Libtards are getting covered in splooge."

I'm really curious about What is splooge?
But as I never took HS chemistry,
Pretty sure I wouldn't understand the answer.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 4:01 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


No splooj here. Funny claim kuming frum a fan uv the splooj-monkey-in-chief.

To me, the actionz uv the GoPs in Congress and Senate are dispicable. It wuz bad enuf wen they were working dilijently to thwart Obama az he pulled the country off the ej uv the cliff, but this iz plainly treazon.

The founding fatherz woud recognize it instantly and there woud be executionz forthwith. Too bad the nation'z politics hav been so skewed over the last 30 yirz (by the GoPs) that outrite TREAZON can be conducted for so long with impunity and the waterz so mudied that they will likely get away with far less serious charjez and many uv them will not be charjed at all.

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