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Flynn "has story to tell", asks FBI for immunity deal

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:56 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


The beginning of the end for Trump?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/flynn-immunity/52
1496/?utm_source=twb


Quote:


Why does someone request immunity from prosecution before speaking with federal investigators? That question will likely consume Washington in the weeks ahead after Thursday night’s bombshell Wall Street Journal report about former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

According to the Journal, Flynn is seeking an immunity deal from the FBI and the congressional intelligence committees in exchange for an interview on the Russia investigation, a potentially ominous move for a Trump administration struggling to move past the allegations surrounding it. What Flynn would discuss with investigators if granted immunity is unknown. According to the Journal, neither FBI investigators nor the congressional committees have accepted his offer so far.

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:05 PM

WISHIMAY


Or, he could get up there and go "I know nothing, where's my get-out-of-jail-free pass"?

Or "I only know this one thing that is really just as vague and hard to prosecute as all the other allegations".

This smells of an end-run around punishment to me.

I hope the FBI has done their homework on this one...

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:15 PM

SOCKPUPPET


Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Flynn:

"When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."



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Friday, March 31, 2017 10:44 AM

DREAMTROVE


I see Trump support's Flynn's immunity request.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 10:52 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I see Trump support's Flynn's immunity request.





Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamtrove

"When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."



What else is Trump going to say, except OH SHIT.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 11:51 AM

DREAMTROVE


I had that thought, but I think our politicians are pretty dumb. It would be easy to snark him, since he did say asking for immunity is an admission of guilt. HRC would've said "silence him" and then "he committed suicide"

You swear a gorram heckuva lot

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Friday, March 31, 2017 12:03 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

You swear a gorram heckuva lot



Actually I don't but you know that. It's the troll in you suggesting I do.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 12:13 PM

SIGNYM

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As far as I can tell, Flynn's conversations with "the Russians" were pretty innocuous, it was his conversations with Turkish Foreign Mevlut Cavusoglu to kidnap Gülen to Turkey that might be the real problem.

OTOH, apparently Woolsey was also at the meeting, so maybe this is just business-as-usual for the CIA ans DIA, and there is something else ... something worse ... in the background.

I'm beginning to see why Trump dumped Flynn though .... it did seem an outsized reaction to "he talked with the Russian Ambassador".

But this is a great benefit of the Trump Presidency ... by putting pressure on the deep state, all of this stuff starts to come out into the open, and if people keep their wits about them then we'll see all kinds of interesting things!

Who said what.
Where information flows.
Which media outlet carries which faction.




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Friday, March 31, 2017 12:19 PM

THGRRI


Doesn't matter, it has woken a sleeping United States. Japan did that once and look what happened.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As far as I can tell, Flynn's conversations with "the Russians" were pretty innocuous, it was his conversations with Turkish Foreign Mevlut Cavusoglu to kidnap Gülen to Turkey that might be the real problem.

OTOH, apparently Woolsey was also at the meeting, so maybe this is just business-as-usual for the CIA ans DIA, and there is something else ... something worse ... in the background.

I'm beginning to see why Trump dumped Flynn though .... it did seem an outsized reaction to "he talked with the Russian Ambassador".

But this is a great benefit of the Trump Presidency ... by putting pressure on the deep state, all of this stuff starts to come out into the open, and if people keep their wits about them then we'll see all kinds of interesting things!

Who said what.
Where information flows.
Which media outlet carries which faction.







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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:18 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:


You swear a gorram heckuva lot



EVERY GODDAMN DAY

They have not decided at this time to grant immunity. Playin' hardball!

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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:40 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:


You swear a gorram heckuva lot



EVERY GODDAMN DAY

They have not decided at this time to grant immunity. Playin' hardball!






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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

They have not decided at this time to grant immunity.
I guess they don't want us to know what Flynn has to say. They prefer to keep it quiet behind an official wall, for as long as they can. That can only benefit the deep-state coup against Trump. It's another signal about what's going on. The sides have lined-up.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:11 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Is that the same deep-state that helped him win?



Could be.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:17 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That can only benefit the deep-state coup against Trump.



Is that the same deep-state that helped him win?


No, it's Russia!

had to snark, that's just clearly , the Donald knows no one in Washington

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Friday, March 31, 2017 8:41 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That can only benefit the deep-state coup against Trump.



Is that the same deep-state that helped him win?


No, it's Russia!

had to snark, that's just clearly , the Donald knows no one in Washington



That's. Why. It. Was. Funny. They propped Hillary up for target practice twice which clearly helped him win. But now they are gunning for him? Maybe they just don't want any president? Maybe after they gut Trump they will drive up to the WH in a Starsky and Hutch General Lee Plymouth and drop their pants and moon everyone? What? Huh?



Or maybe Putin likes to see us in conflict. After all, his goal is to show Democracies don't work.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 9:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OK. You seem to need it spelled out for you.

Illegal intelligence leaks - without any evidence, mind you, just rehashing the same unsubstantiated claims - can only come from the intelligence community, especially the CIA. (The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.) Anyway, these CIA leaks are designed delegitimize and eventually remove our democratically elected president, as per CIA SOP (in increasing severity - corrupt, threaten, media campaign and paid agitators, assassination/ accident, covert ops, military - 'confessions of an economic hit man').

You with me so far? The deep state is running a soft coup against Trump through its minions in the 'intelligence community', using well-known techniques, including illegal leaks from that 'intelligence community'. Any claim, gossip, or allegation that might hurt Trump is freely publicized.

Information that might help Trump is quashed.






Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 9:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

That's. Why. It. Was. Funny. They propped Hillary up for target practice twice which clearly helped him win. But now they are gunning for him? Maybe they just don't want any president? Maybe after they gut Trump they will drive up to the WH in a Starsky and Hutch General Lee Plymouth and drop their pants and moon everyone? What? Huh?


Sorry, little bugs are eating my brain.
Yes, of course.

My take on what happened? First, the election:

So, they put Hillary up because they wanted her to win. HRC installed Trump as the GOP nominee because the polls showed he was the only one who she could beat.

And she fucked up. Here's how.

Initially, the Donald, Mr. New York, was playing the game completely according to script, including saying all the known vote losers that would throw it to his friends, the Clinton, with whom he used to regularly vacation, he'd play golf will Bill, and the girls, Ivanka and Chelsea, would talk business.

Then, HRC fucked up, all by herself, because she's a truly toxic individual. All of her communications with everyone confirm this endlessly. She bitches and whines about everything "How dare he ask a question I didn't pre-approve? Matt Lauer is finished" from her days as First Lady, to the "sh*t-kickers" who guarded her and "this fat lazy n*gger just here to take a bullet for you ma'am," all the way back to Arkansas, or her "Little Confederacy" as she called it, back in her Walmart Exec days, when she called her and Bill the "Bonnie and Clyde of politics" back to Law School, when "Team Clinton" tried to railroad the watergate prosecution and got thrown off the case, for being toxic. And she is.

So, she started dragging the name Trump through the mud. And the media joined in. Because they're pretty toxic. And here's the Donald. A man who has spent his entire life building his name into a brand to leave to his children. And she destroyed that name. And you could see it in his face and here it in his voice, the "Now it's on, bitch."

After that, everything changed. Trump tried to backtrack on a lot of the auto lose positions he'd take to throw the election, but it was no use. Nothing he could do was going to make latinos vote for him. So, he gathered a committee of everyone he trusted. His friends. And Chris Christie. And then they strategized. They threw out the republican playbook, and started looking at where in the blue states Mrs. Clinton was weakest. The answer was great lakes and inner cities. So, they analyzed why. And here was why:

Manufacturing. The rust belt had had it with empty democratic promises. Inner cities were a mess, and blacks were fed up with the lack of results. Even under Obama, who cared about the issue but was paralyzed by an in the ditch DC. Obama's own neighborhood had its biggest decline while Obama was president. Obama didn't move back there for a year, not so Malia and Sasha could finish school, but because he had to task Rahm to clean up Woodlawn and Kenwood so that it would be safe to move back. And in the rural areas, people were just as broke. It was just a solid belt of disenchanted blue from Detroit ot Philadelphia, and Trump hit it hard.

So, yes, Julian Assange, Australian Hacker and Russian journalist, released some damning stories about Hillary Clinton. On top of a long list of damning stories that were already out there. But the entire mainstream media, even fox, was releasing negative stories on Trump around the clock.

And he won. Because his message resonated with the people and they voted for him. He deserved to win, he fought hard. She cheated all she could. She had rigged Smartmatic on her side, she had the DNC on her side against Bernie, she was wiretapping, she had the questions to debates ahead of time, she thought she had it made. She was an arrogant "this was promised to me" yes she actually said that, entitled drama queen.

So, that was actually a total surprise. The system just fucked up. Once in, they want rid of him for anyone at all who is part of the system, even Mike Pence. They don't love Pence. But they want back in power. Please, they say, someone who drank our koolaid, someone we can control.

So, who pulls the strings. Not Bannon. He's a strategist, like Priebus. The Trumps decided to find new allies and fast. This probably came after Obama told them what a nightmare it was coming into town and knowing no one.

So, this is why Rex Tillerson. There had to be someone who could give them the kind of support they needed to stay in DC. Tillerson wasn't even a Trump supporter, but he had what Trump needed: a $20 trillion oil deal with Vladimir Putin. The arctic ocean is home to the largest oil reserves ever found, but also home to the Russian fleet, with their nuclear subs, icebreakers, and 1/2 the world's nuclear missiles. The arctic is armed to the teeth. It's like finding gold in a bear cage. Next step is talking the bear into the idea that this is going to be good for the bear.

And the media and elites know this. They know what's really up. They also know if they spill it, a whole lot of people will say "actually, that doesn't sound too bad. beats another war in the middle east." So they stack it up with false narratives "Oh, he said grab 'em by the pussy" or "he's a Russian agent" and all this nonsense that you see here and elsewhere that is part of a canned narrative being pushed by Huffington Post and NYT, WaPo and MSNBC, and a few others, that is basically "make a cartoon out of Trump so no one can take him seriously."

Once they get rid of him, they'd install Pence, and try to run his admin back to the NWO agenda, back in on the TPP and WTO, back sucking up to China, back into Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, on the Saudi/Turkey/Israel fusion ISIS side, not on the Assad-Russian side, like we are now. (The Yemen thing has been going on for a while, and someone must've corner him somewhere to get him into backing the Saudis in Yemen, because the Saudis have doe nothing for him. They're part of his problem)

"Call me Mr. Brexit" is just not what the NWO is looking for. They've spent the last three decades building multinational unions like the EU, to make the one world unelected totalitarian state. They almost had it, too. Putin was the last strongman in their way. Now we have one too. I'm actually okay with that. Sure, I have a lot of issues with Trump. but the NWO, IMF, World Bank, even the EU and NATO are very worrisome, far closer to a 4th reich than any American will ever get (child euthanasia, really?) China is a nightmare, and the Mideast is a gorram disaster.

So it all falls apart, for the want of a horseshoe nail. That's how I see it.

It's like the full transformation of the EU to a German Empire was embodied by the Lisbon Treaty, which dissolved national sovereignty. It almost passed. they bought every govt. Slovenia and Ireland had constitutions that could not be altered without referendum, so the EU spend billion on Slovenia and Ireland to make everyone happy. Slovenia voted for it. Ireland was going to, 60:40, until two days before the election when Gerry Adams said "Anyone who votes for this is a traitor." And then it failed in Ireland 48:52. And Germany kept pushing anyway, but others thought about it, read about it, the Czechs pulled out, and then it all fell apart. The best laid schemes of mice and men.

Sorry, that was long, but you sincerely asked, so that's my sincere take on it.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 11:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


SO, some people believe that Flynn has some serious (Russian) shit to lay on Trump. And they're for the idea that immunity would let Flynn spill the beans. But TRUMP is for immunity for Flynn, too! Why would Trump want to promote Flynn testimony if he believed there was anything damaging to reveal? Didn't anyone catch this logical flaw?

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:50 PM

DREAMTROVE


Yes, Thg thinks it's a sham reaction, he might be right.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:30 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:


Questions, comments?

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:35 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Liars, like Kiki and Trump, will lie even when all evidence is against them. Even when what they say is laughably, observably preposterous to everyone. It's what makes them shitty people.
First of all the person who seems to be the liar is you. And you're a shitty person, definitely, so maybe you have a point there!

But aside from that, then the Democratic answer to the situation should be to call Trump's bluff (or what they think is a bluff) ... push to give Flynn immunity too. Since this is what Trump wants, it should be pretty easy to accomplish. Just have him testify.

What's with all the bitching and whining about it? The solution seems to be pretty straightforward. I just don't get the problem.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:05 PM

THGRRI


To bad for you, to bad for Trump.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
OK. You seem to need it spelled out for you.

Illegal intelligence leaks - without any evidence, mind you, just rehashing the same unsubstantiated claims - can only come from the intelligence community, especially the CIA. (The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.) Anyway, these CIA leaks are designed delegitimize and eventually remove our democratically elected president, as per CIA SOP (in increasing severity - corrupt, threaten, media campaign and paid agitators, assassination/ accident, covert ops, military - 'confessions of an economic hit man').

You with me so far? The deep state is running a soft coup against Trump through its minions in the 'intelligence community', using well-known techniques, including illegal leaks from that 'intelligence community'. Any claim, gossip, or allegation that might hurt Trump is freely publicized.

Information that might help Trump is quashed.






Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.





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Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:10 PM

THGRRI


Nope, no amnesty, not yet. Russia sucks..

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Liars, like Kiki and Trump, will lie even when all evidence is against them. Even when what they say is laughably, observably preposterous to everyone. It's what makes them shitty people.
First of all the person who seems to be the liar is you. And you're a shitty person, definitely, so maybe you have a point there!

But aside from that, then the Democratic answer to the situation should be to call Trump's bluff (or what they think is a bluff) ... push to give Flynn immunity too. Since this is what Trump wants, it should be pretty easy to accomplish. Just have him testify.

What's with all the bitching and whining about it? The solution seems to be pretty straightforward. I just don't get the problem.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.






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Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:46 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I'd be interested in hearing what Flynn has to say.

I would grant him immunity with the only caveat being that it will be revoked if he himself was involved in any provable treasonous acts against the US.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 9:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


the CIA

while the military was sending intelligence to Assad and Russia, the CIA was still arming ISIS in Syria with weapons sent out from Libya through Turkey. In fact, the CIA had its own operation in Syria.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat
-line

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-eras
es-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government


it runs torture programs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_
CIA_torture


and renditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA

had an operation in Benghazi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-
a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z7&utm_term=.eca89bb69f7b


and still has one in Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_%28201
4%E2%80%93present%29


spies on embassies around the world
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merk
el-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html


and hacks and cracks, infects and spies on - anyone it damn well wants to
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/03/07/wikileaks-cia
-hacking-what-we-know/98849494
/



The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.



It's probably keeping an eye on everyone who has ever posted in the RWED too.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 11:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
It's probably keeping an eye on everyone who has ever posted in the RWED too.

Them and/or the NSA and/or the FBI. I'm sure it's a bottom tier assignment, and it/they sent their bottom tier guys. But Fireflyfans didn't fly under their radar.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 11:58 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

It's probably keeping an eye on everyone who has ever posted in the RWED too.

What other use is a deep state troll?

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:16 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh, while on the topic of the CIA

Quote:

https://wikileaks.org/vault7/?marble9
Today, March 31st 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Marble" -- 676 source code files for the CIA's secret anti-forensic Marble Framework. Marble is used to hamper forensic investigators and anti-virus companies from attributing viruses, trojans and hacking attacks to the CIA.

Marble does this by hiding ("obfuscating") text fragments used in CIA malware from visual inspection. This is the digital equivallent of a specalized CIA tool to place covers over the english language text on U.S. produced weapons systems before giving them to insurgents secretly backed by the CIA.

Marble forms part of the CIA's anti-forensics approach and the CIA's Core Library of malware code. It is "[D]esigned to allow for flexible and easy-to-use obfuscation" as "string obfuscation algorithms (especially those that are unique) are often used to link malware to a specific developer or development shop."

The source code released reveals Marble contains test examples in Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic and Farsi.

“This would permit a forensic attribution double game, for example by pretending that the spoken language of the malware creator was not American English, but Chinese, but then showing attempts to conceal the use of Chinese, drawing forensic investigators even more strongly to the wrong conclusion,” WikiLeaks explains, “But there are other possibilities, such as hiding fake error messages.”

Marble is used to trick forensics into mis-attributing code to the wrong source by inserting other-language fragments.





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:38 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Yeah. I wasn't joking, but I'm not too worried about it.

I don't think they'd be doing their job very well if they weren't looking though.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:05 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


They're not going to give immunity that easy. He would need to give up some pretty damning, credible evidence of the Big Fish; and there are none bigger than the Trump-master himself. So I don't see it happening.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Or, he could get up there and go "I know nothing, where's my get-out-of-jail-free pass"?

Or "I only know this one thing that is really just as vague and hard to prosecute as all the other allegations".

This smells of an end-run around punishment to me.

I hope the FBI has done their homework on this one...


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


G, Trump has never used the deflect/fake news ploy ever. The tweeting fool will stupidly use any tactic to through the investigators off the scent, but the more he tweets, the deeper he digs into the dog-shit of his presidency.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SO, some people believe that Flynn has some serious (Russian) shit to lay on Trump. And they're for the idea that immunity would let Flynn spill the beans. But TRUMP is for immunity for Flynn, too! Why would Trump want to promote Flynn testimony if he believed there was anything damaging to reveal? Didn't anyone catch this logical flaw?



I did catch the major logic flaw or outright lie that you would believe a compulsive liar.

"I did not have sexual relations with that women..."

Liars, like Kiki and Trump, will lie even when all evidence is against them. Even when what they say is laughably, observably preposterous to everyone. It's what makes them shitty people.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Didn't you know G, that our resident Russian trolls have their finger on the pulse of American espionage. They have discovered that the CIA/FBI/NSA is out to undermine the democracy of this country; and that our good friends
in Russia are our comrades in arms to defend our freedoms. Up is down, black is white, dogs and cats sleeping together (at least that's what they'll have you believe).


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.



If they're so independent then it doesn't matter who's president.

Damn! People's conspiracy theories keep changing! It matters, it doesn't matter. Silver bullets, you have to invite them in, on and on.

I know one thing for sure; you can't have a good Bogeyman without a good Bogeyman name, like "Deeeeeep Staaaaaate." Now say it with a lot of bass and add some echo... Dee eee eeep Staa aaa aate Sounds even scarier.

WARNING! Don't ever say it if you are home alone with the lights out and then go into the basement... BOO!

Come on children, it's bedtime.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:29 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Thanks for all of that Dream. You might be surprised, but...
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
"make a cartoon out of Trump so no one can take him seriously."



^ one of the few things I disagree with.

Hillary = Toxic = Bingo, totally. She use to be harder for me to listen to than Maddow (no, I'm not 6ix). I couldn't imagine 4 years of FAKE Hillary. And then Trump won the Rep nominee and it was easy.


I'm sure it wasn't a setup. Now the powers that be are losing it because they screwed up and a not-them got in. And most people are retweeting it without really thinking. 95% of CNN viewer trust CNN. When you strip away all the politics, FOX is just a blatantly better news source. Much. And 50% of FOX viewers trust FOX. So WTF is wrong with the CNN audience. I know you've seen Wolf Blitzer. Is there anything about him that says "Yes, I trust that guy" ? Or is it that James Earl Jones has such a convincing voice that when he says you can trust CNN, they believe it just as much as when he says "No, Luke, No, I am your father" ? Maybe they should've skipped all the rhetoric and just said "Come to the dark side" and left it at that.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:49 AM

THGRRI


Says the Russian troll.

---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
the CIA

while the military was sending intelligence to Assad and Russia, the CIA was still arming ISIS in Syria with weapons sent out from Libya through Turkey. In fact, the CIA had its own operation in Syria.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat
-line

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-eras
es-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government


it runs torture programs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_
CIA_torture


and renditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA

had an operation in Benghazi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-
a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z7&utm_term=.eca89bb69f7b


and still has one in Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_%28201
4%E2%80%93present%29


spies on embassies around the world
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merk
el-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html


and hacks and cracks, infects and spies on - anyone it damn well wants to
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/03/07/wikileaks-cia
-hacking-what-we-know/98849494
/



The CIA has not been under control of the entire constituted US government since the Iran-Contra collusion. Ever since, it's been deployed covertly at the behest of individuals in government, and has often been supplied and funded through extra-Congressional means such as deals with terrorists and foreign governments.





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.





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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:55 AM

THGRRI


Fox says what you want to hear. They are a joke as a news source because most of their viewers can't tell the difference between opinion pieces and reporting.


---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Thanks for all of that Dream. You might be surprised, but...
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
"make a cartoon out of Trump so no one can take him seriously."



^ one of the few things I disagree with.

Hillary = Toxic = Bingo, totally. She use to be harder for me to listen to than Maddow (no, I'm not 6ix). I couldn't imagine 4 years of FAKE Hillary. And then Trump won the Rep nominee and it was easy.


I'm sure it wasn't a setup. Now the powers that be are losing it because they screwed up and a not-them got in. And most people are retweeting it without really thinking. 95% of CNN viewer trust CNN. When you strip away all the politics, FOX is just a blatantly better news source. Much. And 50% of FOX viewers trust FOX. So WTF is wrong with the CNN audience. I know you've seen Wolf Blitzer. Is there anything about him that says "Yes, I trust that guy" ? Or is it that James Earl Jones has such a convincing voice that when he says you can trust CNN, they believe it just as much as when he says "No, Luke, No, I am your father" ? Maybe they should've skipped all the rhetoric and just said "Come to the dark side" and left it at that.





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Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

They are a joke as a news source because most of their viewers can't tell the difference between opinion pieces and reporting.
THIS from the guy who posted a while video of FAKE NEWS with FAKE PICTURES of FAKE EVENTS as shown on the TV show HOMELAND.

And, when I pointed out the ridiculousness of each and every allegation in the video, and the FAKENESS of each allegation, which depended on FAKE PICTURES to make their pointless points this is what THUGR posted ....

Quote:

I recently saw documents where SIG was interviewed about what it is like being a Russian troll. Later in the interview she also revealed she is a Hermaphrodite. She explained this is the main reason for her trolling on the internet. She was picked on as a child, hates herself, and can't stop masturbating. The interview was really quite illuminating.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61525&mid=1
027778#1027778


After that, he starts jonesing for WWIII.

THUGR: You can hardly tell others that they don't know opinion from fact, when you got fooled by/ posted. endorsed a blatant opinion piece yourself.


-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


And BTW it's not like THUGR is the only one who gets fooled by opinion pieces. After I pointed out the FAKENESS of each part of that video, GSTRING went on to say ...

Quote:

You're like someone who believes the WWF is real.
Those weren't suppose to be thee specific tweets OR THEY WOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THEM. They were GRAPHICS used to represent tweets. They DO THAT BECAUSE MOST OF THE WATCHING PUBLIC NEEDS THEIR HANDS HELD BRAINS WASHED

to which I replied

Quote:

NOTHING in this video was real. It was all FAKE PICTURES, designed to induce you, the audience, to react AS IF THE ALLEGATIONS WERE REAL ... to create the illusion of reality ... which of course they weren't. What is that called again? Prop ...propaga ... something like that.
Yep, leave it to GSTRING to defend and promote propaganda! Because people need their HANDS HELD BRAINS WASHED.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Now, as far as I can tell this is a pointless thread.

Either give Flynn his immunity and let him testify, or continue to be weenies but ... STOP WHINING about this.

The other option is that "investigation" will reveal "evidence" of "crimes" for which Flynn will be brought to trial and then he will testify.

But this "charging" someone by leaking bits of classified information and then "trying" them in the court of public opinion using propaganda from a complicit press ...isn't that what we say Russia does?

You know me... I'm all about evidence. I have asked you multiple times to think of yourselves as jurors on a jury box... demand more from the media than fake news, fake pictures, and propaganda.

It is Flynn's right to be able to face his accusers and to testify own his own behalf, so stop participating in this non-Constitutional process.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 1:28 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

It's amazing how sometimes lately you sound exactly like Sig, and not the non-sequitur, unique, poetry fount that was the DT I remember - hrmmmm.


Now Sig and I are on the same side, because she moved. But I remember, and am not about to forget.

As for DT? He was sometimes an a**hole. I'm prosaic at times, but I'm not about to post like Sig.

Fox and RT.com are 'you get what you pay for' news: complete with a very obvious slant. Here's another one: Al Jazeera. But they are news. If you remove the opinion, their actually reporting is lightyears better than CNN, whose reporting basically amounts to retweeting whatever someone says on social media.

CNN is a disaster. Any audience that believes its source 95% might as well be a cult. John Stewart had them right. Six year olds playing soccer. Hurting America.

As for the Russians, they really don't care what we think. If you want to a disruptive influence, the SJWs with their culture of pessimism garbage. 31 genders? It's all about your race and your gender. It's all Maddow and Milo, they're both Frankfurt School junkies. This is America's worst enemy. And that's the point, to hurt America.

You should join my Virtual America thread. I need sane people who disagree with me. We're gonna make a whole new govt, got great people, the best, and this thing, this virtual govt., it's gonna be yuge!

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:05 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You know me... I'm all about evidence.




Too funny.

-------------------------------------------------------

"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:25 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You know me... I'm all about evidence.




Too funny.

-------------------------------------------------------



---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SigbyM:
You know me... I'm all about evidence.

Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."





Too funny.





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

If they're so independent then it doesn't matter who's president.
Or Congress, as a matter of fact. The very definition of the Deep State.

I see you couldn't manage to refute any of my assertions. You were left with the lowest possible response, which is trolling.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Quote:

the CIA

while the military was sending intelligence to Assad and Russia, the CIA was still arming ISIS in Syria with weapons sent out from Libya through Turkey. In fact, the CIA had its own operation in Syria.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat
-line
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-eras
es-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government

it runs torture programs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_
CIA_torture

and renditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA

had an operation in Benghazi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-
a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z7&utm_term=.eca89bb69f7b

and still has one in Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_%28201
4%E2%80%93present%29

spies on embassies around the world
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merk
el-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html

and hacks and cracks, infects and spies on - anyone it damn well wants to
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/03/07/wikileaks-cia
-hacking-what-we-know/98849494/

https://wikileaks.org/vault7/?marble9
Today, March 31st 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Marble" -- 676 source code files for the CIA's secret anti-forensic Marble Framework. Marble is used to hamper forensic investigators and anti-virus companies from attributing viruses, trojans and hacking attacks to the CIA.

Marble does this by hiding ("obfuscating") text fragments used in CIA malware from visual inspection. This is the digital equivallent of a specalized CIA tool to place covers over the english language text on U.S. produced weapons systems before giving them to insurgents secretly backed by the CIA.

Marble forms part of the CIA's anti-forensics approach and the CIA's Core Library of malware code. It is "[D]esigned to allow for flexible and easy-to-use obfuscation" as "string obfuscation algorithms (especially those that are unique) are often used to link malware to a specific developer or development shop."

The source code released reveals Marble contains test examples in Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic and Farsi.

“This would permit a forensic attribution double game, for example by pretending that the spoken language of the malware creator was not American English, but Chinese, but then showing attempts to conceal the use of Chinese, drawing forensic investigators even more strongly to the wrong conclusion,” WikiLeaks explains, “But there are other possibilities, such as hiding fake error messages.”





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 'G':
why are they trying to get rid of Trump now?

Quote:


I see you couldn't manage to refute any of my assertions. You were left with the lowest possible response, which is trolling.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


the CIA

while the military was sending intelligence to Assad and Russia, the CIA was still arming ISIS in Syria with weapons sent out from Libya through Turkey. In fact, the CIA had its own operation in Syria.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat
-line
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-eras
es-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government

it runs torture programs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_
CIA_torture

and renditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA

had an operation in Benghazi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-
a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z7&utm_term=.eca89bb69f7b

and still has one in Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_%28201
4%E2%80%93present%29

spies on embassies around the world
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merk
el-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html

and hacks and cracks, infects and spies on - anyone it damn well wants to
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/03/07/wikileaks-cia
-hacking-what-we-know/98849494/

https://wikileaks.org/vault7/?marble9
Today, March 31st 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Marble" -- 676 source code files for the CIA's secret anti-forensic Marble Framework. Marble is used to hamper forensic investigators and anti-virus companies from attributing viruses, trojans and hacking attacks to the CIA.

Marble does this by hiding ("obfuscating") text fragments used in CIA malware from visual inspection. This is the digital equivallent of a specalized CIA tool to place covers over the english language text on U.S. produced weapons systems before giving them to insurgents secretly backed by the CIA.

Marble forms part of the CIA's anti-forensics approach and the CIA's Core Library of malware code. It is "[D]esigned to allow for flexible and easy-to-use obfuscation" as "string obfuscation algorithms (especially those that are unique) are often used to link malware to a specific developer or development shop."

The source code released reveals Marble contains test examples in Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic and Farsi.

“This would permit a forensic attribution double game, for example by pretending that the spoken language of the malware creator was not American English, but Chinese, but then showing attempts to conceal the use of Chinese, drawing forensic investigators even more strongly to the wrong conclusion,” WikiLeaks explains, “But there are other possibilities, such as hiding fake error messages.”





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.


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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:59 PM

DREAMTROVE


I more or less concur that the CIA was funding ISIS and the US Military is currently fighting against ISIS. The only gray point is how you define ISIS. In the US, we include militias like Al Nusra, so that would be a yes.

It's a pretty sorry state to be in when you're fighting against yourself. That said, the CIA is probably wrong, as ISIS is a religious extremist terrorist militia and Al Nusra specifically is not unequivocally the one who used chemical weapons on civilians. That said, it's harder to get the CIA to change than the US govt.

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