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Friday, February 24, 2017 3:41 PM

THGRRI


What's next, we start seeing reporters turning up dead? Hey Trump fans out there. Is this how your American works?

“Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties,” said New York Times editor Dean Baquet."


The White House blocked several news outlets from attending a closed-door briefing Friday afternoon with press secretary Sean Spicer, a decision that drew strong rebukes from news organizations and may only heighten tensions between the press corps and the administration.


The New York Times and CNN, both of which have reported critically on the administration and are frequent targets of President Donald Trump, were prohibited from attending. The Huffington Post was also denied entry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-house-bars-news-organization
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Friday, February 24, 2017 3:50 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Freedom of the press is generally the first to go in fascist regimes

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Friday, February 24, 2017 3:55 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Freedom of the press is generally the first to go in fascist regimes



Recently said by Republican John McCain Magon. This was expected so my interest lies in how many so called Americans who post in these threads really believe in what America's about. Or, are they more interested in destroying her in favor of a racist, fascist state. My bet is they hide from the topic.

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Friday, February 24, 2017 4:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Freedom of the press is generally the first to go in fascist regimes


I am not aware of that many regimes which HAVE Freedom of the Press. In America this is our First Amendment Right, or the First Article of our Bill of Rights, effectively a Postscript of our Constitution. I am not sure how many other Nations have codified this concept - nor how many (if any) did so before us.

It's about time somebody stood up for reasonable people, the honest electorate. The Fake News outlets didn't make the cut this time - so what? How long has Michael Moore been excluded, where is the outcry from that? Joe McGinniss not present to perpetuate more lies? (big whoop) James Corden, Jon Stewart, Seth, Alec Baldwin, Colbert, the Jimmies, and Fake News King Dan Blather didn't get an invite? Good riddance. Was The Onion there? At least they have produced more news lately than the MSM.
As Spicer pointed out, there are more than 3,000 White House press credentials, and the room did not have that capacity. Just because NBC has ceased to be a News outlet, has intentionally made the editorial choice to be a font of Fake News while trying to claim title of "Press" does not mean that reasonable people object. If only those who have proven they can report the news are the ones allowed in the Press Room, then we may get better news. I have no doubt that the Press Room could overflow every day with the News outlets which are capable of reporting real News.

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Friday, February 24, 2017 5:27 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

It's about time somebody stood up for reasonable people, the honest electorate. The Fake News outlets didn't make the cut this time - so what?

I'll give you what:

No modern president would even think of taking revenge on a state that voted against him by refusing disaster aid. No modern president would dream of evicting news outlets from a press briefing because they had criticized him. No modern president would lie about easily checkable facts on a routine basis. No modern president would loudly cite every positive bit of economic news as a personal triumph. No modern president since Nixon would casually ask the FBI to take his side in an ongoing investigation.

It's not that modern presidents couldn't do these things. They just didn't. And we all came to assume that none of them would. The technical machinery of government—collecting data, hiring staffers, working by the rules—would be left alone to operate in a professional and impartial way. But that's no longer something we can assume.

Trump is going to find lots of things like this. Things that nobody ever thought of before, but aren't illegal. Or maybe just slightly illegal. And he's going to use them to demagogue his enemies and take revenge on people who badmouth him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 24, 2017 5:37 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


News media deserve a kick in the pants once in a while

Damn, I think he may be going too far, this is kinda typically red head Scots, Irish, Caucaus, Nordic thing ... didn't expect him to live up to the stereotype fiery passion, quick temper

From what I understand it wasn't a press briefing but a smaller private meeting in an office and smaller a more private discussion with news outlets

but then again the media have given him a shitty ride, 'Trump is crazy', Trump is Hitler, Trump wants to start Nuclear War, "Donald Trump is racist", Donald Trump banned islam, hates all Arabs is going to put Mexicans in concentration camps like Fascist Germany did, peaceful protestors are not burning and destroying stuff ....the media is beyond ridiculous now as it was once called Lügenpresse, lit. 'lying press'...maybe 'silenzio stampa' or FAKE NEWS.....and the whole so-called Pissgate scandal...a BS "Trump, Russian Spies, and the Infamous "Golden Showers" Memos"....the you have the whole Sweden-Gate reaction and more BS about Golden Shower and Russians winning the election for Trump.

Pissgate began after CNN refers to a report published by Buzzfeed, allegedly from a British former intelligence agent, that claims Russian intelligence has a lot of blackmail material on Trump. One of the main claims that he has hired strippers to urinate in front of him on a bed, piss on a bed where Obama or the Obama's were going to sleep....its stupid, dumb and beyond weird. There are alleged to be more details in the report, but that's the gist of it. Newsweek...Among journalists, Bob Woodward called the dossier a "garbage document," while others like Carl Bernstein took the opposite view, noting that the senior-most U.S. intelligence officials had determined that the content was worth reporting to the president and the president-elect...The bulk of the document seems to be rumors, random emails and internet gossip compiled by a respected former British MI6 agent named Christopher Steele, describes ties between Trump, his advisors, and Russia, along with various Russian efforts to exploit these. Steele was contracted to build a file on Trump’s ties to Russia as part of an opposition research effort

....So some of the media says wikileaks is dangerous and false, reports like arms going to ISIS wrong, Pizzagate untrue and Hillary and the DNC did nothing wrong, nothing against Sanders yet they are willing to believe 'Pissgate' and attack Trump with the latest bullshit rumor?


Huffington Post writer Ryan Clayton caught handing out Ruskie flag at CPAC to create their FAKE NEWS!? Fake story that Russian Trump flags at CPAC were handed out by (Democrat operative) Bob Creamer's employee, Ryan Clayton!
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/835167905113325568?ref_src=t
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and yes I know Trump is not the first, different Presidents have atced in different ways, some with 'War Powers Acts' and in 2009 Obama shut out, attacked & tried to delegitimize FoxNews not for Fake News but for an opposing opinion...Trump has possibly done more with his media 'opponents'

as dumb as the media has become, its not the end

He has not censored or deleted anyones papers...but he has no longer invited them to the conference and there will be no party invite

I still think he may have over-reacted and made a mistake

Media will exaggerate, continue to throw a hissy fit, while Trump Whitehouse ignores, even plays this one down.


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Friday, February 24, 2017 5:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

It's about time somebody stood up for reasonable people, the honest electorate. The Fake News outlets didn't make the cut this time - so what?

I'll give you what:

No modern president would even think of taking revenge on a state that voted against him by refusing disaster aid. No modern president would dream of evicting news outlets from a press briefing because they had criticized him. No modern president would lie about easily checkable facts on a routine basis.


Like Obama, Slick?
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No modern president would loudly cite every positive bit of economic news as a personal triumph.


like Obama, Slick Willy?
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No modern president since Nixon would casually ask the FBI to take his side in an ongoing investigation.


Like Obama/Hilliary? Like Slick Willie?
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It's not that modern presidents couldn't do these things. They just didn't. And we all came to assume that none of them would. The technical machinery of government—collecting data, hiring staffers, working by the rules—would be left alone to operate in a professional and impartial way. But that's no longer something we can assume.

Trump is going to find lots of things like this. Things that nobody ever thought of before, but aren't illegal. Or maybe just slightly illegal. And he's going to use them to demagogue his enemies and take revenge on people who badmouth him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Friday, February 24, 2017 6:23 PM

RIVERLOVE


Trump haters don't despair. Who knows, another protest march wearing your best Sunday pussy hats, or another violent riot with burning cars and smashing windows may just do the trick for ya. Never give up! Never surrender!

C'mon, that's the spirit!


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Friday, February 24, 2017 6:28 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Like Obama, Slick?

like Obama, Slick Willy?

Like Obama/Hilliary? Like Slick Willie?

You've got really thin skin, don't you? Trump can't tolerate criticism and has to hit back every time because he has little self-control of his anger. He needs a thicker hide or else step down and let someone not so mentally fragile take the job. I suggest Mike Pence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 24, 2017 7:31 PM

SOCKPUPPET


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Like Obama, Slick?

like Obama, Slick Willy?

Like Obama/Hilliary? Like Slick Willie?

You've got really thin skin, don't you? Trump can't tolerate criticism and has to hit back every time because he has little self-control of his anger. He needs a thicker hide or else step down and let someone not so mentally fragile take the job. I suggest Mike Pence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Suspectin' he doesn't have to do a thing for that to happen, just keep on tweetin'

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Friday, February 24, 2017 7:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


The best reporting that was every done was done by a guy who never talked to confidential sources or attended press briefings.

Why?

Because he didn't want to be beholden to those confidential sources, or to have his thoughts messed with by WH pronouncements.

That was I.F "Izzy" Stone:
Quote:

I. F. Stone (Isidor Feinstein Stone, 24 December 1907 – 18 June 1989) was an American investigative journalist and writer known as a man of great integrity (personal and political) who was an inspiration to other writers, and an intellectual annoyance to the American right wing.[1][2]

He is best remembered for the newsletter, I. F. Stone's Weekly (1953–71), which was ranked in 16th place among “The Top 100 Works of Journalism in the United States in the 20th Century”, and was ranked in second place among print-journalism publications.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone

You don't need to attend "press briefings" to know what's going on ... those are just dog-and-pony shows anyway, kind of like being embedded in the military. You'll only get to see what "they" want you to see.

To be a good investigative reporter you need sharp analysis and willingness to dig into actual records ... both public and private ... and not just listen to the "pronouncements" of the day (which are usually propaganda anyway). Reporters who are rejected by the Trump admin are being done a favor. Maybe that will boot them off their asses and get them to so some real investigation, instead of just schmoozing with TPTB.



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Friday, February 24, 2017 9:35 PM

THGRRI


They just want to troll SECOND. Hate spews out of their posts like crap through a goose. Ignorant haters are, well, ignorant haters. Lord knows we have our share here.

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Like Obama, Slick?

like Obama, Slick Willy?

Like Obama/Hilliary? Like Slick Willie?

You've got really thin skin, don't you? Trump can't tolerate criticism and has to hit back every time because he has little self-control of his anger. He needs a thicker hide or else step down and let someone not so mentally fragile take the job. I suggest Mike Pence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



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Friday, February 24, 2017 9:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Trump haters don't despair. Who knows, another protest march wearing your best Sunday pussy hats, or another violent riot with burning cars and smashing windows may just do the trick for ya. Never give up! Never surrender!

C'mon, that's the spirit!





LOL... What the hell was I just watching where they were talking about a big payoff they got in the late 90's and said "and that was like Chumbawumba money".

1998.... Please come back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 24, 2017 10:50 PM

THGRRI


“It’s not acceptable. In fact, it’s petulant,” he continued. He suggested the White House has difficulty telling the truth and referenced Trump calling the press the “enemy of the American people.”

Tapper then used White House press secretary Sean Spicer’s own words against him, cutting to a 2016 quote from Spicer promising that the White House wouldn’t ban media from government access.


“I think that’s what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship,” Spicer said in December.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jake-tapper-white-house-media-un-a
merican_us_58b0d79ae4b0780bac299f75?68zymuealwtg8k6gvi


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The best reporting that was every done was done by a guy who never talked to confidential sources or attended press briefings.

Why?

Because he didn't want to be beholden to those confidential sources, or to have his thoughts messed with by WH pronouncements.

That was I.F "Izzy" Stone:
Quote:

I. F. Stone (Isidor Feinstein Stone, 24 December 1907 – 18 June 1989) was an American investigative journalist and writer known as a man of great integrity (personal and political) who was an inspiration to other writers, and an intellectual annoyance to the American right wing.[1][2]

He is best remembered for the newsletter, I. F. Stone's Weekly (1953–71), which was ranked in 16th place among “The Top 100 Works of Journalism in the United States in the 20th Century”, and was ranked in second place among print-journalism publications.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone

You don't need to attend "press briefings" to know what's going on ... those are just dog-and-pony shows anyway, kind of like being embedded in the military. You'll only get to see what "they" want you to see.

To be a good investigative reporter you need sharp analysis and willingness to dig into actual records ... both public and private ... and not just listen to the "pronouncements" of the day (which are usually propaganda anyway). Reporters who are rejected by the Trump admin are being done a favor. Maybe that will boot them off their asses and get them to so some real investigation, instead of just schmoozing with TPTB.



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Friday, February 24, 2017 10:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Do you know what makes free press, THUGR?

No, of course not.

But I'll let that question marinade for a while before I get back to it.

Yanno, kind of like "WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?" That one had marinaded for a long time, and you still don't have the guts to answer it!



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Friday, February 24, 2017 11:20 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Trump haters don't despair. Who knows, another protest march wearing your best Sunday pussy hats, or another violent riot with burning cars and smashing windows may just do the trick for ya. Never give up! Never surrender!

C'mon, that's the spirit!





LOL... What the hell was I just watching where they were talking about a big payoff they got in the late 90's and said "and that was like Chumbawumba money".


That's funny, because I haven't thought about that song in like forever, but for some reason it was in my head today.


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Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
That's funny, because I haven't thought about that song in like forever, but for some reason it was in my head today.



I don't believe you. That song has been stuck in my brain space for 20 years now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-house-bars-news-organization
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The HuffingtonPost is not News.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:17 AM

DREAMTROVE


2nd,

We're just trying to help you see what your little follower won't. It's not a case of Saint Trump by any means. It's probably international criminal Trump. But there's much more going on here.

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Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:13 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


I think Mainstream media news is done


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Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:25 PM

THGRRI


I think your wrong. Most people are waking up to fake news and they are not as ignorant ( because they are not as angry ) as some who post here.

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Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

I think Mainstream media news is done

I'm tempted to agree. I didn't watch the video, but MSM viewship is nothing compared to social media now, and is usually just retweeting what social media said.

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Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


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Seriously?? You *really* think they don't know all of that already? Do you think they just do that and go home??
Yes, I think they do that and go home. Show me some evidence that the MSM is doing anything other than driving the emotional reactions of their readers/ viewers.

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"You'll only get to see what "they" want you to see.- SIGNY"
No sh*t - that's the point. If you understood what being a "reporter" means - G

fortunately, I know one in person
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you'd know from what the WH says you know where else to look, you can get a sense of what they're trying to hide. By their phrasing you can see what they're trying to hide.-G
WH reporters rarely give any indication that they know the truth behind the lies. What do we get? BUT RUSSIA! IRAQ WMD! LIBYA MASSACRE! All "the press" wants to do is wind people up, emotionally. Lies are used on both sides, but it IS very partisan.

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It also happens to be one of the
1) most prominent public facing interactions
2) of what the White House believes.
3) It has to be put into the public record and
4) chopped up and dissected by the press.
5) It has to be, or the White House - already a source of frequent lies - will feel unchecked.
6) Just like in Russia. Ding!

Going backwards thru this ...

6) How would you know how much the Russian press criticizes Putin or Russia? Do you ever read Russian press? Of course not.
5) I don't need to hear one lie countered by another lie ("BUT RUSSIA!"). Doing that cost Hillary her job. Both the press and the DNC need to be better than that.
4) The press reacts like people here: they have not a fucking clue how to do an analysis
3) Put into public record ... OK. A faithful continuous recording and reporting of what was said it always a good thing.
2) " ...of what the white House < insert> wants YOU to believe."
1) When Trump has access to Twitter, are these little get-togethers all that important? Twitter, for Trump, seems to be like the radio for FDR.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 9:39 AM

THGRRI


Trump says the press is spreading fake news. The news they are spreading they are getting from Trumps own people. And when they do wish to leak to the press, they contact the news agencies some here say are fake, and not the ones our friends here quote from.

Sean Spicer targets own staff in leak crackdown

Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-targets-own-staff-in
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Monday, February 27, 2017 9:43 AM

THGRRI


George Bush knows the real press when he sees it.




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Monday, February 27, 2017 12:08 PM

THGRRI


The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

"infringing on the freedom of the press"

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Monday, February 27, 2017 12:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.- CONSTITUTION


But even "free speech" has its limits, the most famous example: You can't yell FIRE!! in a crowded theater.

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Rulings on free speech and the press
Near v. Minnesota (1931)
A U.S. Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that prior restraint on publications is a violation of free speech and free press. In so doing, the Court struck down a state law that allowed the police to confiscate publications that were malicious, scandalous, or obscene. The case involved a virulently anti-Semitic pamphlet.

New York Times v. Sullivan (1964)
The U.S. Supreme Court decision that prohibited public officials from suing news organizations for inaccuracies made by mistake. This ruling, based on the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of the press, made it more difficult for public officials to sue the press for libel, because they had to prove not only that the information was wrong, but that the news organization published it with malicious intent or reckless disregard for the truth.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

THUGR ... is there anywhere in the Constitution that the WH has to invite every single representative of every media outlet to press briefings? That the WH has to roll out the red carpet and make itself accessible to any media representative any time, anywhere?

No?

Is it even possible to invite everyone?

No?

Do you see the WH restricting what media outlets can publish? Do you see Congress drafting laws to curtail content?

No?



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Now, my humble opinion on what constitutes "free speech" is different than current court opinion, but I believe it would curtail the overweening power of the major media (and entities like FB and Google) to shape public perception, and that is this:

Free speech (to me) is speech which nobody has to PAY FOR. But once someone has to start shelling out dollars to get their opinion broadcast, IMHO it should be counted as "advertisements" and the "truth in advertising" laws should apply.

But that's just me, and why I'm on the libertarian side of the chart and not the authoritarian one.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 1:03 PM

THGRRI


SIG, 99% of the Republican Party distances themselves from Trump on this. George Bush came out of retirement just one month after Trump took office to answer questions, knowing he would be asked about this and other things Trump is doing. And SIG, while he is very polite and classy, he disagrees with this and much more.

Your straw man defense of Trump means squat. It's just background noise.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.- CONSTITUTION


But even "free speech" has its limits, the most famous example: You can't yell FIRE!! in a crowded theater.

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Rulings on free speech and the press
Near v. Minnesota (1931)
A U.S. Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that prior restraint on publications is a violation of free speech and free press. In so doing, the Court struck down a state law that allowed the police to confiscate publications that were malicious, scandalous, or obscene. The case involved a virulently anti-Semitic pamphlet.

New York Times v. Sullivan (1964)
The U.S. Supreme Court decision that prohibited public officials from suing news organizations for inaccuracies made by mistake. This ruling, based on the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of the press, made it more difficult for public officials to sue the press for libel, because they had to prove not only that the information was wrong, but that the news organization published it with malicious intent or reckless disregard for the truth.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

THUGR ... is there anywhere in the Constitution that the WH has to invite every single representative of every media outlet to press briefings? That the WH has to roll out the red carpet and make itself accessible to any media representative any time, anywhere?

No?

Do you see the WH restricting what media outlets can publish? Do you see Congress drafting laws to curtail content?

No?



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Now, my humble opinion on what constitutes "free speech" is different than current court opinion, but I believe it would curtail the overweening power of the major media (and entities like FB and Google) to shape public perception, and that is this:

Free speech (to me) is speech which nobody has to PAY FOR. But once someone has to start shelling out dollars to get their opinion broadcast, IMHO it should be counted as "advertisements" and the "truth in advertising" laws should apply.

But that's just me, and why I'm on the libertarian side of the chart and not the authoritarian one.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

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SIG, 99% of the Republican Party distances themselves from Trump on this. George Bush
Which one? The deep-state snake, or the idiot son who was Cheney's sock puppet?
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came out of retirement just one month after Trump took office to answer questions, knowing he would be asked about this and other things Trump is doing. And SIG, while he is very polite and classy, he disagrees with this and much more. -THUGR
So now you care what Rethuglicans think?

Trump's reaction may be stupid but it's not illegal. It's not even unethical: the WH has NO obligation to do this dance with "the press". It was kind of sickening to watch, anyway. You can tell me all day long that it was a PR mistake on Trump's part, but find another issue to get all huffy about.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 5:48 PM

SIGNYM

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Yes, absolutely. How can they write about what the White House believes if they can't ask them?
I'm sure transcripts are provided.

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Actually, now that I think of it... there are so many people at the WH who keep leaking information maybe they don't need these briefings.
You're probably right. And then, there are those tweets, which seem remarkably uncensored and unprepared. In fact, cringe-worthy. TMI, if you ask me!

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BTW - you hear about the 10% increase in defense spending proposed? I guess that means less war, right?
Finally, an ACTUAL criticism of what Trump is doing! Good for you!



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Monday, February 27, 2017 5:49 PM

SIGNYM

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FWIW, the greatest boost to a free press is the FOIA. May it live forever.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 5:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump's reaction may be stupid but it's not illegal. It's not even unethical: the WH has NO obligation to do this dance with "the press". It was kind of sickening to watch, anyway. You can tell me all day long that it was a PR mistake on Trump's part, but find another issue to get all huffy about.



Again SIG, the first amendment. He does have to dance with the press. You claim he doesn't because you don't understand how America works and the absolute need for a free press. Neither does he apparently.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 5:57 PM

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What good are transcripts if his friends ask all the questions. Just how gullible are you? Or is your problem that you think everyone else here is?

3, 2, 1 till we read what SIG thinks will pass for witty banter.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yes, absolutely. How can they write about what the White House believes if they can't ask them?
I'm sure transcripts are provided.

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Actually, now that I think of it... there are so many people at the WH who keep leaking information maybe they don't need these briefings.
You're probably right. And then, there are those tweets, which seem remarkably uncensored and unprepared. In fact, cringe-worthy. TMI, if you ask me!

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BTW - you hear about the 10% increase in defense spending proposed? I guess that means less war, right?
Finally, an ACTUAL criticism of what Trump is doing! Good for you!



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Monday, February 27, 2017 6:12 PM

SIGNYM

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Again SIG, the first amendment. He does have to dance with the press.
No he doesn't. You clearly don't know the Constitution.



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Monday, February 27, 2017 6:47 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Again SIG, the first amendment. He does have to dance with the press.
No he doesn't. You clearly don't know the Constitution.





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He can ignore what they write, but he has to mostly answer their questions. He has, let me say that again, he has to give them access. If he choses to keep out the times and instead invite Breitbart News, then he will have to explain that and deal with the consequences. The American people and the rest of our elected officials, will have to deal with the consequences that poses with our allies.

He also cannot use the power of the presidency to try and destroy what is considered the main stream press. Well, he can't get away with it. It should also be noted that you would have him do exactly that. Just as you try to do that here.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 6:55 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

It's about time somebody stood up for reasonable people, the honest electorate. The Fake News outlets didn't make the cut this time - so what?

I'll give you what:

No modern president would even think of taking revenge on a state that voted against him by refusing disaster aid. No modern president would dream of evicting news outlets from a press briefing because they had criticized him. No modern president would lie about easily checkable facts on a routine basis.


Like Obama, Slick?
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No modern president would loudly cite every positive bit of economic news as a personal triumph.


like Obama, Slick Willy?
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No modern president since Nixon would casually ask the FBI to take his side in an ongoing investigation.


Like Obama/Hilliary? Like Slick Willie?
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It's not that modern presidents couldn't do these things. They just didn't. And we all came to assume that none of them would. The technical machinery of government—collecting data, hiring staffers, working by the rules—would be left alone to operate in a professional and impartial way. But that's no longer something we can assume.

Trump is going to find lots of things like this. Things that nobody ever thought of before, but aren't illegal. Or maybe just slightly illegal. And he's going to use them to demagogue his enemies and take revenge on people who badmouth him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



So, second's inability to deny or counterpoint these facts thereby endorses their validity in exposing the failure of his/her delusions (or selective memory)?

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Monday, February 27, 2017 6:59 PM

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The main stream press has been doing a fine job destroying themselves. And that includes giving all those free minutes of air time to Trump. Whoops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 27, 2017 7:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by G:
Yes, absolutely. How can they write about what the White House believes if they can't ask them?

I'm sure transcripts are provided.
Quote:

Actually, now that I think of it... there are so many people at the WH who keep leaking information maybe they don't need these briefings.
You're probably right. And then, there are those tweets, which seem remarkably uncensored and unprepared. In fact, cringe-worthy. TMI, if you ask me!
Quote:

BTW - you hear about the 10% increase in defense spending proposed? I guess that means less war, right?

So, um, did G accidentally swerve into a truth? Does G understand this is how it works, or do I detect sarcasm, inferring that no understanding is actually present?
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Finally, an ACTUAL criticism of what Trump is doing! Good for you!

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Sig, I ask that you please include the Quote Source in your posts. It is difficult enough following the many posters in a thread when the name is included, and matching the sub-conversation within.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 7:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally ;osted by THRGGI:
Again SIG, the first amendment. He does have to dance with the press.

No he doesn't. You clearly don't know the Constitution.

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Perhaps you and I are wrong, Sig. He claims he is educamated, making him better than any of us. He has proclaimed that he will help us out by explaining all to us. If we ignore the close-mindedness that he was indoctrinated to and which strangles his attempts at logical critical reason, maybe we might glean some insights from his ramblings.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 7:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The main stream press has been doing a fine job destroying themselves. And that includes giving all those free minutes of air time to Trump. Whoops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Now that's funny. And it's true. Sold a lot of papers though.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 7:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally ;osted by THRGGI:
Again SIG, the first amendment. He does have to dance with the press.

No he doesn't. You clearly don't know the Constitution.

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Perhaps you and I are wrong, Sig. He claims he is educamated, making him better than any of us. He has proclaimed that he will help us out by explaining all to us. If we ignore the close-mindedness that he was indoctrinated to and which strangles his attempts at logical critical reason, maybe we might glean some insights from his ramblings.



Yeah sorry but no. I was speaking to a post by sockpuppet or dreamtrove ( same thing ) that was a poke at college people. I responded in kind.

As for me saying I was better than anyone due to my education I would ask for cites. Do I think some here are dumber than a box of rocks, absolutely.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 8:30 PM

SIGNYM

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He can ignore what they write, but he has to mostly answer their questions.-THUGR
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! No, he doesn't. He, or any of his appointees, can say "I can't answer that". He can refuse to call on specific reporters. He can lie. What happens when the press asks about something classified? Have you not watched any press briefings or new conferences .... ever???

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He has, let me say that again, he has to give them access.-THUGR


NO. HE. DOESN'T. Different Presidents hold briefings and press conferences (where wide-ranging questions can be asked) with different frequencies. Eisenhower held 24 per year, Kennedy held 22. Nixon held 7, Reagan held 6. FDR held 73 per year. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/newsconferences.php It's strictly up to the President. He (or she) can hold five every day, or none at all.

It is a conceit of the media that the President "needs" them, and that they can extract concessions from the Presidency because they can "help" the President propagandize his (or her) position , but there is no Constitutional or regulatory obligation to invite any or all of the press to anything.


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If he choses to keep out the times and instead invite Breitbart News, then he will have to explain that and deal with the consequences. The American people and the rest of our elected officials, will have to deal with the consequences that poses with our allies.
Yes, that's true.

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He also cannot use the power of the presidency to try and destroy what is considered the main stream press.
Unless Congress writes a law that allows him to do that, or repeals the FOIA, or the President violates the Constitution (which both GWB and Obama have done) then I would say it's unlikely.

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Well, he can't get away with it.
Because???It's not fair? It's not Constitutional? Say, where were YOU when GWB and Obama were shredding the Constitution?

Just OOC, THUGR, what do you mean by "destroy"? Do you mean- make unprofitable? Do you mean - make unpopular? Do you mean - make illegal?

Give it some thought.
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It should also be noted that you would have him do exactly that.-THUGR
No, I wouldn't. Howver, he is free to criticize the MSM, just as I am, and just as you are free to criticize Breitbart (for example). I'm more concerned about FOIA and net neutrality than people moaning and bitching about the poor MSM.

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Just as you try to do that here.- THUGR
What a load of hogwash.

In what deluded world do you exist where you think Presidents have not held dark embarrassing secrets from the people, done dirty deeds, stole from the Treasury, had people killed for specious reasons, traded women like candy, and lied to the press about it? Do you think that every President who said "... and God Bless America ..." was sincere? Good grief, THUGR, you're an innocent.



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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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BTW - you hear about the 10% increase in defense spending proposed? I guess that means less war, right?
Finally, an ACTUAL criticism of what Trump is doing! Good for you!




And yet no comment on that.

In fact, a week ago when I asked you about these other things (below) you also had no comment. Hrmmm, what could be stopping you?

"I would rate his (a president's) honesty with US pretty high up there, but for the sake of conversation, what else is more important? And don't say 'deep state' - that's too predictable and lazy.

Infrastructure? Banks? Health Care? Tax relief? Small business relief? Security? Immigration? Wall Building? Military? Education? Gun Control? International Relations? I know it's early but he's running a deficit on almost all of those so far. I'd say the only one he's done well in in Military, one of your favorites, right?"

SIGNYM crickets ....



Yeah, that increase in military spending means less war. That was the point. You have to make the monster happy one way or the other. I think Trump has a strategy for his spending plans: hire nay-men to shoot down all his ideas.

Where the money it going? Besides the 92% pence takes for oil projects?
Trumpworld, the international Trumpstation and GMO beauty queens.


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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:22 PM

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It's amazing how many reichwingers are totally in favor of fascism around here.

You are "good Germans," aren't you?

We all know what happened to Hitler and Mussolini. Maybe you better think twice before backing the wrong side.

Traitors will be dealt with swiftly. You won't be laughing later.

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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:05 PM

DREAMTROVE


Troll much?
Nice godwin
- centrist dem and holocaust jew DT

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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:34 PM

DREAMTROVE


G,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but in Trump's own words, We've been locked into total war every day for 15 years. Yes, he's right. We have. And we need out. Winning, yeah, that was a worrisome comment, but his clarification was we need allies. Maybe he thinks he's going to get that, maybe it's a dodge, maybe he doesn't really mean it. At any rate, the US isn't going to get allies in its current position, unless we agree to play by their rules, meaning, Syria, Russia, Turkey, Israel and probably Iran. It's unlikely that we can fulfill our own agenda if those are our allies. I still prefer to see this glass of koolaid as half full.

Edit:
Who does the deep state overthrow, the one paying them, or the one cutting off their pay?
If you do what Bush and Obama did, and fight 16 illegal wars, then you pay for it with congressional supplemental and debt, added to the budget, and the total defense spending can be over a trillion a year.

Dumb old Trump

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Monday, March 6, 2017 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Yeah, that increase in military spending means less war. That was the point. You have to make the monster happy one way or the other.



Eh?? o_0 Not according to Trump:

"Trump says he wants America “to start winning wars again”. His first budget will certainly make it more likely that America will start fighting wars again – but that is hardly the same thing."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/donald-trump-mil
itary-spending-war


"The core proposal is for a massive increase in defence spending, with Trump seeking an extra $54bn for tanks, ships and weapons systems. The money will come from cutting – “dollar for dollar” – spending on foreign aid, diplomacy and environmental protection.

The myopia of that decision is astonishing. The US already spends more on defence than the next eight biggest defence-spending nations put together. The US enjoys “full-spectrum dominance”. It has a nuclear arsenal capable of destroying all human life on the planet many times over.

Yet apparently that’s not enough. Last week Trump told Reuters he believed the US had fallen behind in its nuclear capacity and he wanted to make it “top of the pack” – as if the US is not already at the nuclear summit and out of sight.

What makes this shift so misguided is not just the piling of excess upon excess, but the opportunity cost – paying for all this hardware by depleting the arsenal of US soft power. Trump’s plans call for a 30% cut in the state department’s budget, with reports of a 40% cut in US contributions to international agencies, such as the United Nations, and a 25% cut in funds for the the Environmental Protection Agency (which is already saddled with a boss who doesn’t believe human-made climate change is real). It’s as if Trump decided that the best way to protect his buildings and hotels would be to spend millions on shiny new fire engines – and rip out all the smoke detectors.

Now it will fall to Mattis and the other generals in key positions in the Trump administration to fight this deeply dangerous policy shift. Like most who’ve worn their nation’s uniform, they see war as a last resort, to be approached with no relish. But they work for a chicken hawk president, who avoided military service by claiming “bone spurs” in a foot – though he later couldn’t remember which one – and who called his subsequent efforts to sleep around without picking up a sexually transmitted disease his “personal Vietnam”."



The bestest way to win a war is to prevent it from happening. Talk softly and carry a big stick.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The bestest way to win a war is to prevent it from happening. Talk softly and carry a big stick.



We've had the biggest stick since WWII - how many wars has that kept us out of? We don't need another big stick.



The big stick wasn't the problem since WWII, it was the not talking softly part. If we just kept out of everybody else's business, we wouldn't be in so many wars that we started.

This is a bi-partisan problem.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The bestest way to win a war is to prevent it from happening. Talk softly and carry a big stick.



We've had the biggest stick since WWII - how many wars has that kept us out of? We don't need another big stick.



Trumps speaking about gutting soft power to grow the military. That means we will be fighting more wars. One source of soft Power is the State Department. He is completely incompetent.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:28 PM

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Quote:

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Trump


Not defend him, I just think it's clever. Like how he says he'll do something and then appoint someone in charge of doing that who hates that, which is a way to shirk a campaign promise while not doing so himself. His "win wars with allies" plan has an essential built in safety: we are never going to have any allies for Obama/Bush/Clinton still missions because they're basically genocide. Th one military suggestion Trump has made is that we aid the Assad regime. I don't think that's about to sail through congress any time soon.

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