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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:49 PM

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Ex-Trump aide Nunberg reverses: Mueller probe not a 'witch hunt'

Former Trump campaign aide Sam Nunberg says that he believes special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is "warranted," walking back his previous remarks calling the probe a "witch hunt."

"No, I don't think it's a witch hunt. There's a lot there, and that's the sad truth," Nunberg told ABC News in an interview broadcast Saturday, a day after he answered a subpoena by Mueller's team to testify before a federal grand jury on his time in the campaign.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-aide-nunberg-reverses
-mueller-probe-not-a-witch-hunt/ar-BBK5aRJ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp





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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:49 PM

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EXCLUSIVE: ‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer

Guccifer 2.0, the “lone hacker” who took credit for providing WikiLeaks with stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee, was in fact an officer of Russia’s military intelligence directorate (GRU), The Daily Beast has learned. It’s an attribution that resulted from a fleeting but critical slip-up in GRU tradecraft.

That forensic determination has substantial implications for the criminal probe into potential collusion between President Donald Trump and Russia. The Daily Beast has learned that the special counsel in that investigation, Robert Mueller, has taken over the probe into Guccifer and brought the FBI agents who worked to track the persona onto his team.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-‘lone-dnc-hacker’-gu
ccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer/ar-BBKAawP?ocid=spartanntp



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Manafort associate had Russian intelligence ties during 2016 campaign, prosecutors say

The FBI has found that a business associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, including during the 2016 campaign when Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were in touch with the associate, according to new court filings.




I think this is what will play out in the end: Mueller finds the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to gain an advantage in the 2016 campaign, but Mueller will be unable to pin anything specific to Trump. He's been around too long to not know that when there are dirty deeds to do, you have your people do them for you and you stand clear while they take any heat. And when they do take the fall you say the nicest things about them as they are dragged off. "Flynn, he was a great guy, treated poorly."


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Manafort associate had Russian intelligence ties during 2016 campaign, prosecutors say

The FBI has found that a business associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, including during the 2016 campaign when Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were in touch with the associate, according to new court filings.




I think this is what will play out in the end: Mueller finds the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to gain an advantage in the 2016 campaign, but Mueller will be unable to pin anything specific to Trump. He's been around too long to not know that when there are dirty deeds to do, you have your people do them for you and you stand clear while they take any heat. And when they do take the fall you say the nicest things about them as they are dragged off. "Flynn, he was a great guy, treated poorly."



Remember, it's a conspiracy between both parties that is the chargeable offense. Mueller may have that when it comes to the campaign itself. Then there is the possibility they have evidence of a coverup by the president and others associated with the campaign. Or finally, obstruction of justice.

These only concern the election and I'm sure I've missed a few. Then there is the rest like money laundering. Has Trump been compromised by a foreign country? What if anything will his family be charged with? Will his wife leave him and what if anything will Mueller do with the Stormy Daniels case. She says she was threatened and the money used to pay her off may have violated campaign finance laws. She was paid off so she could not influence the election. That too may have ramifications.

Perhaps best of all is that Trump has shit lawyers. All the really good ones don't want any part of this, or him.


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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:57 PM

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Manafort associate had Russian intelligence ties during 2016 campaign, prosecutors say

The FBI has found that a business associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, including during the 2016 campaign when Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were in touch with the associate, according to new court filings.




I think this is what will play out in the end: Mueller finds the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to gain an advantage in the 2016 campaign, but Mueller will be unable to pin anything specific to Trump. He's been around too long to not know that when there are dirty deeds to do, you have your people do them for you and you stand clear while they take any heat. And when they do take the fall you say the nicest things about them as they are dragged off. "Flynn, he was a great guy, treated poorly."



Remember, it's a conspiracy between both parties that is the chargeable offense. Mueller may have that when it comes to the campaign itself. Then there is the possibility they have evidence of a coverup by the president and others associated with the campaign. Or finally, obstruction of justice.

These only concern the election and I'm sure I've missed a few. Then there is the rest like money laundering. Has Trump been compromised by a foreign country? What if anything will his family be charged with? Will his wife leave him and what if anything will Mueller do with the Stormy Daniels case. She says she was threatened and the money used to pay her off may have violated campaign finance laws. She was paid off so she could not influence the election. That too may have ramifications.

Perhaps best of all is that Trump has shit lawyers. All the really good ones don't want any part of this, or him.



Are you saying if individuals in his campaign are guilty of collusion then he is as well by extension? I'm not familiar with how that charge would work exactly.

Otherwise , yes - I agree with your list of other offenses he may be charged with.

I hope they don't try the campaign finance charge with him because of Daniels. I hate the guy and can't wait to see him gone, but that seems a stretch, even desperate to me.



I don't know if Trump is guilty by extension unless he was in the loop. It looks to me like he was. He was involved in creating a response to his sons contacts with the Russians. Even though it was after the fact, he may have been involved in real time with the Russian meeting.

Special counsel Robert Mueller and congressional investigators have interviewed roughly 50 people who work at the White House or were involved in Donald Trump’s campaign. That number needs to be updated. It's a month old. There is so much we don't know. Lets not forget Wikileaks.

Hey, campaign finance laws are very important and can not be ignored. The consequences could be catastrophic in the future if a precedent is set here. One that ignores Trump doing it because it is a hot button issue. And don't forget. Daniels said she was threatened.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:57 PM

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The New York Times reports that Trump's former lawyer John Dowd once discussed the idea of pardons for Paul Manafort and Mike Flynn. NYT reporter Michael Schmidt joins MSNBC to explain his latest report.Mar.28.2018

http://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/nyt-trump-s-former-lawyer-once
-discussed-pardons-for-manafort-and-flynn-1197058627642


If Trumps lawyer actually spoke to the attorneys of Flynn and Manafort as three different sources claim, and told them Trump would pardon them at the time he did, in an attempt to shut them up, think obstruction of justice big time.

One thing is certain. When charges are filed by Mueller they are thorough and appear to be unbeatable or unassailable so far.

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I'm beginning to think that Trump was just playing rope-a-dope, and took a lot of punches while his people were gathering evidence. Counter-investigations are heating up.

Did you come up with this on your own? Did somebody else spur you?
This could result in effective swamp drainage.
That tweeter storm was like a Royal Magnet of distraction and misdirection.
We can hope.
But all of the firings are confusing, or undermine the premise.



The Mueller investigation is now in it's collusion phase. If there are going to be charges filed they will be filed under the term conspiracy.

And sig, jsf. The fact that Sessions is responsible for a prosecutor from Utah opening an investigation. One looking into the the FBI's investigation into the role Russia played during the election, breaks his recusal agreement. Sessions is interjecting himself into an investigation that is investigating him.

Oops, because Mueller is now investigating that.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:58 PM

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Months of talks between Robert Mueller and President Trump's legal team have collapsed after the FBI raid on Michael Cohen's office and home.

http://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/talks-between-robert-m
ueller-and-pres-trump-teams-collapse-after-fbi-raid-on-michael-cohen-1209508931792


Trump, Mueller teams prepare to move forward without presidential interview

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-mueller-teams-prepare-to
-move-forward-without-presidential-interview/ar-AAvOP9H?ocid=spartanntp



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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:58 PM

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NBC News has learned that Mueller's team has requested 35 sets of subpoenas in advance of Paul Manafort's impending trial in a Virginia federal court.

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/mueller-requests-subpoenas-for-35-
witnesses-in-manafort-trial-1208724547979



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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:58 PM

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Mueller has evidence that Trump lawyer met in Prague with Russians during campaign, sources say

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump's personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy's report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.
It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the presidency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-has-evidence-that-trum
p-lawyer-met-in-prague-with-russians-during-campaign-sources-say/ar-AAvRnHE?ocid=spartanntp


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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:59 PM

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How much longer, one wonders, can a man who famously bragged that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it be expected to resist temptation to dismiss the special counsel?

After firing the special counsel, I knew Nixon was doomed politically when, just a week after the massacre, I received a letter from Irene Cloud, my aunt who lived in the tiny town of Kingman, Kansas, some 50 miles or so west of Wichita. Cloud was a dedicated Lincoln Republican in the moderate, anti-slavery Kansas tradition that had existed from the civil war to the 21st century, when the far right captured the state house.

An unmarried grammar school teacher, Cloud wrote me rarely but always to a purpose. When I opened the envelope, I found inside a light blue sheet of note paper on which in her perfect, schoolmarm’s hand, she had written “Dear Stanley, I have reached the conclusion that Mr Nixon is a bad man …”

If Nixon had lost my Aunt Irene, he had lost the nation.

Not everyone today believes that Donald Trump will necessarily suffer the same fate as Nixon should he fire Robert Mueller. At least two good friends of mine who are experts in measuring public opinion – and who are not themselves conservatives – told me recently that they believe Trump’s “base” in the Republican party will stick with him in a way that Nixon’s base, including my Aunt Irene, did not. “They would think firing Mueller was just another example of Trump bringing Washington to heel,” said one.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/18/a-political-volcano-just-erupt
ed-is-the-us-on-the-brink-of-the-next-watergate


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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:59 PM

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Watch how central Roger Stone could be to the Mueller probe
New reporting reveals the Mueller investigation is focusing on one of Trump’s closest confidants, Roger Stone, for reasons “beyond” his alleged connection to Wikileaks. Ari Melber breaks down how Stone is closely tied with indicted former Trump campaign manager

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-live-ari-melber

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:59 PM

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Dershowitz: Trump team playing 'into the hands' of Mueller investigation

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dershowitz-trump-team-playing-
into-the-hands-of-mueller-investigation/ar-AAwPZUX?ocid=spartanntp


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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:04 PM

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I notist, JJ. We've gon from 'Russianz? Wut are Russianz?' to 'No Collusion!' to 'Collusion iznt a crime.' to 'Nya! Nya! You cant touch me kuz I'm the Prezident!'

Herez an important thing to watch about impeachment:



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Enjoyed the video JO. This is certainly serous business.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:05 PM

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Suspicions, Demands and Threats: Devin Nunes vs. the Justice Dept.

WASHINGTON — Since Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee declared that they had found no evidence of coordination between Russia’s election interference and the Trump campaign, its chairman has decisively turned the panel’s attention from investigation to investigators.

The chairman, Representative Devin Nunes of California, has issued increasingly bold demands for access to some of the Justice Department’s most sensitive case files. He has courted a series of escalating confrontations over access to materials that are usually off limits to Congress under department policy. And when those efforts failed, he threatened top law enforcement officials — mostly Republicans appointed by Mr. Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/suspicions-demands-and-threats
-devin-nunes-vs-the-justice-dept/ar-AAx9o7s?ocid=spartanntp


This is the same guy who was forced to recuse himself from the Russian investigation because he showed himself to be untrustworthy when it comes to the truth.

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Mueller needs about 10 more Muellers. If anyone complains about how long this is taking, "if Trump and his a-clown posey weren't so corrupt we could have finished this 10 months ago."

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Suspicions, Demands and Threats: Devin Nunes vs. the Justice Dept.

WASHINGTON — Since Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee declared that they had found no evidence of coordination between Russia’s election interference and the Trump campaign, its chairman has decisively turned the panel’s attention from investigation to investigators.

The chairman, Representative Devin Nunes of California, has issued increasingly bold demands for access to some of the Justice Department’s most sensitive case files. He has courted a series of escalating confrontations over access to materials that are usually off limits to Congress under department policy. And when those efforts failed, he threatened top law enforcement officials — mostly Republicans appointed by Mr. Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/suspicions-demands-and-threats
-devin-nunes-vs-the-justice-dept/ar-AAx9o7s?ocid=spartanntp


This is the same guy who was forced to recuse himself from the Russian investigation because he showed himself to be untrustworthy when it comes to the truth.

JJ





Mueller needs about 10 more Muellers. If anyone complains about how long this is taking, "if Trump and his a-clown posey weren't so corrupt we could have finished this 10 months ago."



When anyone says this is taking to long they are lying. Mueller is moving forward at a breakneck speed. The White Water investigation took 4 years and more than 30 million dollars. It only uncovered an affair. With Watergate it took a year and a half to uncover that Nixon taped his Oval Office discussions. And the 30 plus Benghazi investigations took longer than this as well.

When all is said and done the historians will lay it all out. What you and I have posted in these threads will be validated again and again. Right now the Republicans are working feverishly to make sure Mueller's report never see's the light of day. Let's hope they fail.

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Mueller issues grand jury subpoenas to Trump adviser's social media consultant

U.S. Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller has issued two subpoenas to a social media expert who worked for longtime Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone during the 2016 presidential election campaign.

The subpoenas were delivered late last week to lawyers representing Jason Sullivan, a social media and Twitter specialist Stone hired to work for an independent political action committee he set up to support Trump, Knut Johnson, a lawyer for Sullivan, told Reuters on Tuesday.

The subpoenas suggest that Mueller, who is probing Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, is focusing in part on Stone and whether he might have had advance knowledge of material allegedly hacked by Russian intelligence and sent to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who published it.

One of the two subpoenas delivered last week requests that Sullivan appear before a grand jury on May 18 at the Federal Courthouse in Washington, D.C. The other orders Sullivan to bring documents, objects and electronically stored information.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-issues-grand-jury-subp
oenas-to-trump-advisers-social-media-consultant/ar-AAxnDk9?ocid=spartanntp



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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:06 PM

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Manafort ex-son-in-law agrees to plea deal: report

Ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort's former son-in-law has reportedly agreed to a plea deal with the Justice Department.
Jeffrey Yohai, who was divorced from Manafort's daughter last year, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as part of the deal, two people with knowledge of the situation told Reuters.

Manafort has been charged on several counts related to money laundering and other financial crime in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and is set to go on trial later this year.
The sources told Reuters that Yohai may be asked to help Mueller in his prosecution of Manafort in an effort to pressure him to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manafort-ex-son-in-law-agrees-
to-plea-deal-report/ar-AAxrj4v


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Exclusive: Special Counsel subpoenas another Stone aide in Russia probe

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed a key assistant of long-time Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone, two people with knowledge of the matter said, the latest sign that Mueller's investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election is increasingly focusing on Stone.

The subpoena was recently served on John Kakanis, 30, who has worked as a driver, accountant and operative for Stone. Kakanis has been briefly questioned by the FBI on the topics of possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, the WikiLeaks website, its founder Julian Assange, and the hacker or hackers who call themselves Guccifer 2.0, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-special-counsel-subp
oenas-another-stone-aide-in-russia-probe-sources/ar-AAxtYtC?ocid=spartanntp



I posted about this before and suggested it was coming. Grab your hats folks the rides about the get bumpy.

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Yup. And I see the regular Leftybots are coming in here and saying how stupid I am, yet they don't have any actual answers themselves.

That's because they can't answer the question.

This thread is more than a year old, and they still can't answer the damn question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump stands to gain from a $500 million Chinese loan his company received right before he flip-flopped on the Chinese company ZTE. It’s a national security risk to let US government employees use phones made by ZTE and private citizens should not do so either. But Trump is overruling his whole national security team’s assessment of ZTE’s role in the world. And it happened with no explanation from Trump.

Many Republicans in Congress are clearly aware that something fishy is happening with ZTE and Trump. But while they have extensive oversight powers that could be used to check Trump’s conflicts of interest, they uniformly decline to use any of them, leaving America to depend on nothing more than Trump’s say-so and goodwill for as long as the GOP retains the majority. And Robert Mueller can't do a damn thing about investigating whether the $500 million is a bribe from the Chinese government to get Trump to look the other way about ZTE.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/17355202/trump-zte-indonesia
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Watergate took over 2 years. We only know the tip of the iceberg of what Mueller knows.

Trump won't last, as long as we hang on to what little is left of democracy.


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Watergate took over 2 years. We only know the tip of the iceberg of what Mueller knows.

Trump won't last, as long as we hang on to what little is left of democracy.



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The hedline iz "Bloomberg: Mueller poized to zero in on Trump-Russia collusion allegationz"

In the Fox eko chamber it iz tranzlated to "Bloomberg: Zero Trump-Russia collusion"

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Mueller hires more prosecutors as Russia probe moves forward

Special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly hiring additional prosecutors to work on the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Several current and former U.S. officials said Mueller is adding prosecutors from U.S. attorney's offices and the Justice Department headquarters, Bloomberg reported Thursday.

Officials added that this could be a sign that Mueller is prepared to step away from the probe and leave it in the hands of a larger team of prosecutors, officials said.

Mueller's team, currently composed of 17 federal prosecutors, is handling a large amount of casework associated with the yearlong investigation into Russian meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

More money is being directed toward the Justice Department's permanent investigations rather than Mueller's temporary probe, according to recent expense statements.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-hires-more-prosecutors
-as-russia-probe-moves-forward-report/ar-AAzCvJm?OCID=ansmsnnews11


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Mueller: Congressional candidate sought stolen emails from Russian spies in 2016

Prosecutors wrote that on Aug. 15, 2016, the unnamed "candidate for the U.S. Congress" contacted the online persona Guccifer 2.0 to request stolen documents. Mueller's office charged that Guccifer 2.0 was a fictitious identity for a group of hackers who worked for the GRU, a Russian intelligence service.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-congressional-candidat
e-sought-stolen-emails-from-russian-spies-in-2016/ar-AAA2hIv?ocid=spartanntp


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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Golly! Who is this mysterious congressional candidate?

Could it be that they won't say, because he's about to get indicted?

Hmmmmmm???



It's telling that in our many different threads our Russian trolls have yet to deny the guilt, and face the truth revealed in the many many indictments so far by Mueller. The honest amongst us call it evidence.

All they can do is say no collusion. However we've now seen conspiracy charges against some of Trumps staff.

Stay tuned, the hair on the back of my neck says there is more to come.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:15 PM

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Mueller looking into Trump for obstruction.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Mueller looking into Trump for obstruction.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:15 PM

RUE

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Remember, Trump Jr. lied to congress about his father knowing about his meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower. That's a felony and you know if the democrats take the house he will be held accountable.

Anybody remember Trump asking Putin for Hillary's emails. It takes on a whole new meaning if Mueller has evidence Trump and his people were already talking with the Russians.

Can you say Trumps fucked? I can...

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:15 PM

RUE

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Trump calls on Sessions to end Mueller investigation 'right now'

President Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, one of the most direct demands he has made of the Justice Department to stop the probe since it began.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-calls-sessions-end-
mueller-s-witch-hunt-n896481


Can you say Trump is shitting himself? I can...

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Monday, March 25, 2019 8:35 AM

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Here Are the Other Investigations President Trump Still Faces
http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/

This is not an exhaustive list, as there may be investigations that have not yet been made public, and there are other loosely connected players also being investigated thanks to Mueller’s work. But here are the key legal threats still facing Trump and his inner circle.

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Monday, March 25, 2019 10:46 AM

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It’s worth remembering how Mueller’s investigation came into existence. Back in 2017, Trump’s relationship with Russia was the only question that Republicans, who controlled Congress, wanted to investigate. Even on Inauguration Day, there were plenty of other lines of inquiry. There were the campaign contributions that helped Trump University investigations go away, the fake charity Trump ran for years, the dubious financing of his real estate ventures, and the mystery of his tax returns.

More at www.vox.com/2019/3/25/18280122/congress-investigate-trump-tax-return

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Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:05 AM

THG


KIKI, you're a Russian troll. You are trolling this thread. You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. Read them, they are on the money. Now, one more round of hysterics by you and I will cut and paste all your tirade into your comrade sigs garden thread.

Do it again in any thread I create, and I will cut and paste it into sigs garden thread. Now, shoo comrade.

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Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:19 AM

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Hey Rue (comrade Kiki). First, yea America. Sorry you don’t practice this level of law in Russia. Hey, maybe someday. Here we celebrate the rule of law despite the protests of trolls. Here, unlike Russia, wrong doings that are uncovered are dealt with. Here, if enough evidence isn't uncovered to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt, then that too is recognized. This happens regardless of our personal opinions. Again, yea America.

Robert Mueller’s mandate was very narrow. What if anything did Russia do during the campaign. Then, because of their behaviors, Trump and others working within his campaign with deep Russian ties, forced Mueller’s mandate to be expanded. He indicted 34 to 37 individuals. Six, seven whatever from within Trumps campaign. Also Indicted were thirteen Russians, three Russian companies. The level of detail Mueller presented in these indictments was astounding. All guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That was the standard he used to determine if he could prove a Trump Russia conspiracy. He could not. However, we as a nation saw colluding for ourselves in Trumps behavior, plus Congress isn’t so restricted. The American people’s opinions are not so restricted either. Collusion will still be decided at the polls. It’s not a done deal.

Mueller stated in his report that he could not discount Trump obstructed justice. Further, if Mueller decided not to indict because of the Justice Department’s policy not to indict a sitting president, but felt Trump did commit obstruction, that is how he would proceed. His stating he could not discount obstruction puts the decision squarely in the hands of Congress. Mueller knows this. Barr showed poor judgement to say the least, deciding no obstruction occurred after only after a few hours reading Mueller’s report, when Mueller wouldn’t do it after investigating it for two years.

And thanks comrade Kiki. Thanks for re-posting some of my posts. After rereading them I was pleased to see that I showed such good judgement from beginning to current. It must be terrible for you seeing America shine while Russia fails so miserably.

Tick tock comrade

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:30 AM

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Only 2,228 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002430

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Hey Rue (comrade Kiki). First, yea America. Sorry you don’t practice this level of law in Russia. Hey, maybe someday. Here we celebrate the rule of law despite the protests of trolls. Here, unlike Russia, wrong doings that are uncovered are dealt with. Here, if enough evidence isn't uncovered to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt, then that too is recognized. This happens regardless of our personal opinions. Again, yea America.

Robert Mueller’s mandate was very narrow. What if anything did Russia do during the campaign. Then, because of their behaviors, Trump and others working within his campaign with deep Russian ties, forced Mueller’s mandate to be expanded. He indicted 34 to 37 individuals. Six, seven whatever from within Trumps campaign. Also Indicted were thirteen Russians, three Russian companies. The level of detail Mueller presented in these indictments was astounding. All guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That was the standard he used to determine if he could prove a Trump Russia conspiracy. He could not. However, we as a nation saw colluding for ourselves in Trumps behavior, plus Congress isn’t so restricted. The American people’s opinions are not so restricted either. Collusion will still be decided at the polls. It’s not a done deal.

Mueller stated in his report that he could not discount Trump obstructed justice. Further, if Mueller decided not to indict because of the Justice Department’s policy not to indict a sitting president, but felt Trump did commit obstruction, that is how he would proceed. His stating he could not discount obstruction puts the decision squarely in the hands of Congress. Mueller knows this. Barr showed poor judgement to say the least, deciding no obstruction occurred after only after a few hours reading Mueller’s report, when Mueller wouldn’t do it after investigating it for two years.

And thanks comrade Kiki. Thanks for re-posting some of my posts. After rereading them I was pleased to see that I showed such good judgement from beginning to current. It must be terrible for you seeing America shine while Russia fails so miserably.

Tick tock comrade

T



As a man far smarter than you has said, "Stupid is as Stupid posts" - or words to that effect.


You claim the quote what Mueller States in his report - do you have a copy you would like to share? Even if it takes simple-minded you more than a few hours to read and comprehend, many of us could get through it quicker.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:24 PM

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First JSF, you are referencing a fictional character moron. Second, I know very little of the Mueller report. As little as everyone else. That however, is subject to change.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
KIKI, you're a Russian troll. You are trolling this thread. You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. Read them, they are on the money. Now, one more round of hysterics by you and I will cut and paste all your tirade into your comrade sigs garden thread.

Do it again in any thread I create, and I will cut and paste it into sigs garden thread. Now, shoo comrade.

T





Way to put on those big boy pants.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 29, 2019 1:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Way to put on those big boy pants.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump pissed in his pants before a Michigan audience: The 43 most 'well, that happened' lines from Donald Trump's Michigan rally

1. "After three years of lies and smears and slander, the Russia hoax is finally dead. The collusion delusion is over."

For the record, the Mueller probe produced 199 charges against 37 people and entities. Seven people pleaded guilty. Five people were sentenced to prison. So, this investigation was not quite a "hoax." And away we go!

2. "The Special Counsel completed its report and found no collusion and no obstruction."

Not true! Yes, Mueller has ended his investigation. And, yes, according to the attorney general's summary of the Mueller report, there was no collusion established. But Mueller specifically wrote that while his investigation did not conclude the President committed a crime, that decision "does not exonerate" Trump on the matter.

3. "Total exoneration. Complete vindication."

Trump’s attorney general called Trump a liar: "Does not exonerate."

4. "The crazy attempt by the Democrat Party and the fake news media right back there and the 'deep state' to overturn the results of the 2016 election have failed."

To be clear: The special counsel investigation was launched by a Trump appointee -- Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein -- and run by a lifelong Republican (Mueller). It is not clear how that amounts to a "deep state" conspiracy aimed at overturning the results of the 2016 election.

5. "This is the one we want. We want ourselves. We want us and that's what we got."
"We want us and that's what we got." -- The President of the United States

6. "The Russia witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally regain power by framing innocent Americans, many of them."

Not to beat a dead horse here but ... seven people affiliated in a variety of ways with Trump and/or his campaign pleaded guilty to crimes ranging from financial fraud to lying to investigators about the breadth and depth of conversations with Russians. I am not sure how "those who lost the election" were able to make that happen. But remember that Trump and his base thrive on a) victimhood and b) conspiracy theories. And so, Trump leans heavily into both.

7. "And this group of major losers did not just ruthlessly attack me, my family and everyone who questioned their lies they tried to divide our country."

Victimhood + conspiracy, with a pinch of bullying ("major losers") thrown in for flavor.

Much more at www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/politics/donald-trump-michigan-grand-rapids-cam
paign-speech/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 29, 2019 2:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
KIKI, you're a Russian troll. You are trolling this thread. You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. Read them, they are on the money. Now, one more round of hysterics by you and I will cut and paste all your tirade into your comrade sigs garden thread.

Do it again in any thread I create, and I will cut and paste it into sigs garden thread. Now, shoo comrade.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 2:34 PM

RUE

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Originally posted by THUGGER:
You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. T

They show EXACTLY what I want. You, and SECOND, and others posting how Mueller will deliver you from the coils of Trump presidency - which SECOND claimed wasn't the case. Or do you dispute your own words?

BTW, I have NO idea how I can be trolling by reposting your posts word for word.

And finally, I'm not even halfway through the thread of you all looking to Mueller to end Trump's presidency. When I have the time, I'll get to the rest. Unless of course you want to do your famous post-edits and erase all the ticky-tackies and clocks that go round and round but never advance.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 2:44 PM

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Of course Trump and his campaign colluded. But charging a sitting president of treason is next to impossible. That's why you trun over your findings to congress. Schiff tells us some of how they colluded.

T


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Friday, March 29, 2019 2:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by THUGGER:
You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. T

They show EXACTLY what I want. You, and SECOND, and others posting how Mueller will deliver you from the coils of Trump presidency - which SECOND claimed wasn't the case. Or do you dispute your own words?

BTW, I have NO idea how I can be trolling by reposting your posts word for word.

And finally, I'm not even halfway through the thread of you all looking to Mueller to end Trump's presidency. When I have the time, I'll get to the rest. Unless of course you want to do your famous post-edits and erase all the ticky-tackies and clocks that go round and round but never advance.



Godd@m, who gives a f*ck?? You have nothing better to do with your retirement than copy and paste and re-post things people have already forgotten about?? Are you going to re-argue things like it will change anything? Have you ever seen anyone here change their mind? Ever? That's pretty sad. Spring is coming - get outside and get some fresh air.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 4:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THUGGER:
You're reposting posts that don't show what you want. That we posted incorrect information. T

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
They show EXACTLY what I want. You, and SECOND, and others posting how Mueller will deliver you from the coils of Trump presidency - which SECOND claimed wasn't the case. Or do you dispute your own words?

BTW, I have NO idea how I can be trolling by reposting your posts word for word.

And finally, I'm not even halfway through the thread of you all looking to Mueller to end Trump's presidency. When I have the time, I'll get to the rest. Unless of course you want to do your famous post-edits and erase all the ticky-tackies and clocks that go round and round but never advance.

Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
[u]Godd@m, who gives a f*ck?? You have nothing better to do with your retirement than copy and paste and re-post things people have already forgotten about?? Are you going to re-argue things like it will change anything? Have you ever seen anyone here change their mind? Ever? That's pretty sad. Spring is coming - get outside and get some fresh air.

Who gives a fuck? You apparently do, or you wouldn't have replied.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 4:54 PM

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Trump Aided and Abetted Russia’s Attack. That Was Treachery. Full Stop.

As the official GOP nominee, Trump received a classified intelligence briefing that included the intelligence community’s assessment that Moscow was the perpetrator in the email-hack-and-wikileak-dump operation. Despite knowing, Trump repeatedly downplayed or denied Russian involvement. He did this in public statements and at the debates.

This stance turned Putin’s attack into a political dispute. Top Republicans (and Trump-cheering pundits in the media) generally followed his lead and declined to rally against the Russian assault. This prevented the coalescing of a focused national response to Putin’s war on the election. (Mitch McConnell torpedoed the Obama administration’s request for a bipartisan pre-election statement calling out the Russians, for one example. www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article120718538.html )

Despite the attack and the official Obama announcement, Trump stuck to his false line: the Russians should not be held accountable. An overseas foe was striving mightily to undermine a US election, and Trump had been told this privately by US intelligence, and the US government had issued a public declaration. Yet Trump echoed and amplified Moscow’s denials. He was siding with the enemy.

A candidate seeking the job of defending the United States was facilitating an attack on the nation. And after winning the White House, Trump would keep on protecting Putin by dismissing Russian involvement and the significance of the attack.

Trump has diverted attention from the fact that he facilitated an assault on his own country. That may or may not have been illegal per Mueller’s report. But it was betrayal. It was treachery.

The bottom line was established before Mueller submitted his report: Trump committed the most significant political misdeed in American history. The public did not need the Mueller report to confirm this. The foundation of this scandal has for long resided within plain sight.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/trump-mueller-report-russia/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 29, 2019 5:18 PM

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Belligerence, shamelessness and partisanship are Trump's strategy

If Mueller’s inquiry had ended with a bombshell revelation like the one in Watergate — where Nixon essentially confessed to obstruction of justice on tape, asking the director and the deputy director of the C.I.A. to pressure the F.B.I. into ending its investigation of the break-in — Trump's strategy might have collapsed against the force of the facts. Instead, the report, at least as summarized by Attorney General William Barr, disappeared.

Trump choose an extremely partisan attorney general: Barr recommended pardons for key actors in Iran-contra as attorney general for George H.W. Bush in 1991 and had already ruled out charging Trump with obstruction in an unsolicited June 2018 memo.

Instead of ending in drama like Watergate, the Russia scandal is likely to fade away like Iran-contra. There is still a report to read — reportedly more than 300 pages long — but President Trump has already declared victory, a testament to how belligerence, shamelessness and partisanship can undermine any attempt to hold a president or his allies accountable for wrongdoing.

www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/opinion/trump-russia-iran-contra.html

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Friday, March 29, 2019 5:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Trump Aided and Abetted Russia’s Attack.


SECOND, been there, debunked that. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61853&p=1 posted by SIGNYM:
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A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Written by Patrick Lawrence of The Nation,

It is now a year since the Democratic National Committee’s mail system was compromised—a year since events in the spring and early summer of 2016 were identified as remote hacks and, in short order, attributed to Russians acting in behalf of Donald Trump. A great edifice has been erected during this time. President Trump, members of his family, and numerous people around him stand accused of various corruptions and extensive collusion with Russians. Half a dozen simultaneous investigations proceed into these matters. Last week news broke that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had convened a grand jury, which issued its first subpoenas on August 3. Allegations of treason are common; prominent political figures and many media cultivate a case for impeachment.

The president’s ability to conduct foreign policy, notably but not only with regard to Russia, is now crippled. Forced into a corner and having no choice, Trump just signed legislation imposing severe new sanctions on Russia and European companies working with it on pipeline projects vital to Russia’s energy sector. Striking this close to the core of another nation’s economy is customarily considered an act of war, we must not forget. In retaliation, Moscow has announced that the United States must cut its embassy staff by roughly two-thirds. All sides agree that relations between the United States and Russia are now as fragile as they were during some of the Cold War’s worst moments. To suggest that military conflict between two nuclear powers inches ever closer can no longer be dismissed as hyperbole.

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Lost in a year that often appeared to veer into our peculiarly American kind of hysteria is the absence of any credible evidence

HINT HINT!

Quote:

of what happened last year and who was responsible for it. It is tiresome to note, but none has been made available. Instead, we are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception. These officials profess “high confidence” in their “assessment” as to what happened in the spring and summer of last year—this standing as their authoritative judgment. Few have noticed since these evasive terms first appeared that an assessment is an opinion, nothing more, and to express high confidence is an upside-down way of admitting the absence of certain knowledge. This is how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept—as the record shows many of them have done.

We come now to a moment of great gravity.

There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.

This article is based on an examination of the documents these forensic experts and intelligence analysts have produced, notably the key papers written over the past several weeks, as well as detailed interviews with many of those conducting investigations and now drawing conclusions from them. Before proceeding into this material, several points bear noting.

One, there are many other allegations implicating Russians in the 2016 political process. The work I will now report upon does not purport to prove or disprove any of them. Who delivered documents to WikiLeaks? Who was responsible for the “phishing” operation penetrating John Podesta’s e-mail in March 2016? We do not know the answers to such questions. It is entirely possible, indeed, that the answers we deserve and must demand could turn out to be multiple: One thing happened in one case, another thing in another. The new work done on the mid-June and July 5 events bears upon all else in only one respect. We are now on notice: Given that we now stand face to face with very considerable cases of duplicity, it is imperative that all official accounts of these many events be subject to rigorously skeptical questioning. Do we even know that John Podesta’s e-mail was in fact “phished”? What evidence of this has been produced? Such rock-bottom questions as these must now be posed in all other cases.

Two, houses built on sand and made of cards are bound to collapse, and there can be no surprise that the one resting atop the “hack theory,” as we can call the prevailing wisdom on the DNC events, appears to be in the process of doing so. Neither is there anything far-fetched in a reversal of the truth of this magnitude.

American history is replete with similar cases. The Spanish sank the Maine in Havana harbor in February 1898. Iran’s Mossadegh was a Communist. Guatemala’s Árbenz represented a Communist threat to the United States. Vietnam’s Ho Chi Minh was a Soviet puppet. The Sandinistas were Communists. The truth of the Maine, a war and a revolution in between, took a century to find the light of day, whereupon the official story disintegrated. We can do better now. It is an odd sensation to live through one of these episodes, especially one as big as Russiagate. But its place atop a long line of precedents can no longer be disputed.

Three, regardless of what one may think about the investigations and conclusions I will now outline—and, as noted, these investigations continue—there is a bottom line attaching to them. We can even call it a red line.

Under no circumstance can it be acceptable that the relevant authorities—the National Security Agency, the Justice Department (via the Federal Bureau of Investigation), and the Central Intelligence Agency—leave these new findings without reply. Not credibly, in any case. Forensic investigators, prominent among them people with decades’ experience at high levels in these very institutions, have put a body of evidence on a table previously left empty. Silence now, should it ensue, cannot be written down as an admission of duplicity, but it will come very close to one.

It requires no elaboration to apply the above point to the corporate media, which have been flaccidly satisfied with official explanations of the DNC matter from the start.

Qualified experts working independently of one another began to examine the DNC case immediately after the July 2016 events. Prominent among these is a group comprising former intelligence officers, almost all of whom previously occupied senior positions. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), founded in 2003, now has 30 members, including a few associates with backgrounds in national-security fields other than intelligence. The chief researchers active on the DNC case are four: William Binney, formerly the NSA’s technical director for world geopolitical and military analysis and designer of many agency programs now in use; Kirk Wiebe, formerly a senior analyst at the NSA’s SIGINT Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, formerly technical director in the NSA’s Office of Signal Processing; and Ray McGovern, an intelligence analyst for nearly three decades and formerly chief of the CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy Branch. Most of these men have decades of experience in matters concerning Russian intelligence and the related technologies. This article reflects numerous interviews with all of them conducted in person, via Skype, or by telephone.

The customary VIPS format is an open letter, typically addressed to the president. The group has written three such letters on the DNC incident, all of which were first published by Robert Parry at www.consortiumnews.com. Here is the latest, dated July 24; it blueprints the forensic work this article explores in detail. They have all argued that the hack theory is wrong and that a locally executed leak is the far more likely explanation. In a letter to Barack Obama dated January 17, three days before he left office, the group explained that the NSA’s known programs are fully capable of capturing all electronic transfers of data. “We strongly suggest that you ask NSA for any evidence it may have indicating that the results of Russian hacking were given to WikiLeaks,” the letter said. “If NSA cannot produce such evidence—and quickly—this would probably mean it does not have any.”

The day after Parry published this letter, Obama gave his last press conference as president, at which he delivered one of the great gems among the official statements on the DNC e-mail question. “The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking,” the legacy-minded Obama said, “were not conclusive.” There is little to suggest the VIPS letter prompted this remark, but it is typical of the linguistic tap-dancing many officials connected to the case have indulged so as to avoid putting their names on the hack theory and all that derives from it.

Until recently there was a serious hindrance to the VIPS’s work, and I have just suggested it. The group lacked access to positive data. It had no lump of cyber-material to place on its lab table and analyze, because no official agency had provided any.

Donald Rumsfeld famously argued with regard to the WMD question in Iraq, “The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” In essence, Binney and others at VIPS say this logic turns upside down in the DNC case: Based on the knowledge of former officials such as Binney, the group knew that (1) if there was a hack and (2) if Russia was responsible for it, the NSA would have to have evidence of both. Binney and others surmised that the agency and associated institutions were hiding the absence of evidence behind the claim that they had to maintain secrecy to protect NSA programs. “Everything that they say must remain classified is already well-known,” Binney said in an interview. “They’re playing the Wizard of Oz game.”

New findings indicate this is perfectly true, but until recently the VIPS experts could produce only “negative evidence,” as they put it: The absence of evidence supporting the hack theory demonstrates that it cannot be so. That is all VIPS had. They could allege and assert, but they could not conclude: They were stuck demanding evidence they did not have—if only to prove there was none.

Research into the DNC case took a fateful turn in early July, when forensic investigators who had been working independently began to share findings and form loose collaborations wherein each could build on the work of others. In this a small, new website called www.disobedientmedia.com proved an important catalyst. Two independent researchers selected it, Snowden-like, as the medium through which to disclose their findings. One of these is known as Forensicator and the other as Adam Carter. On July 9, Adam Carter sent Elizabeth Vos, a co-founder of Disobedient Media, a paper by the Forensicator that split the DNC case open like a coconut.

By this time Binney and the other technical-side people at VIPS had begun working with a man named Skip Folden. Folden was an IT executive at IBM for 33 years, serving 25 years as the IT program manager in the United States. He has also consulted for Pentagon officials, the FBI, and the Justice Department. Folden is effectively the VIPS group’s liaison to Forensicator, Adam Carter, and other investigators, but neither Folden nor anyone else knows the identity of either Forensicator or Adam Carter. This bears brief explanation.

The Forensicator’s July 9 document indicates he lives in the Pacific Time Zone, which puts him on the West Coast. His notes describing his investigative procedures support this. But little else is known of him. Adam Carter, in turn, is located in England, but the name is a coy pseudonym: It derives from a character in a BBC espionage series called Spooks. It is protocol in this community, Elizabeth Vos told me in a telephone conversation this week, to respect this degree of anonymity. Kirk Wiebe, the former SIGINT analyst at the NSA, thinks Forensicator could be “someone very good with the FBI,” but there is no certainty. Unanimously, however, all the analysts and forensics investigators interviewed for this column say Forensicator’s advanced expertise, evident in the work he has done, is unassailable. They hold a similarly high opinion of Adam Carter’s work.

Forensicator is working with the documents published by Guccifer 2.0, focusing for now on the July 5 intrusion into the DNC server. The contents of Guccifer’s files are known—they were published last September—and are not Forensicator’s concern. His work is with the metadata on those files. These data did not come to him via any clandestine means. Forensicator simply has access to them that others did not have. It is this access that prompts Kirk Wiebe and others to suggest that Forensicator may be someone with exceptional talent and training inside an agency such as the FBI.

“Forensicator unlocked and then analyzed what had been the locked files Guccifer supposedly took from the DNC server,” Skip Folden explained in an interview. “To do this he would have to have ‘access privilege,’ meaning a key.”


What has Forensicator proven since he turned his key? How? What has work done atop Forensicator’s findings proven? How?

Forensicator’s first decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed.


Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds.

What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack. Other investigators have built on this finding. Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index.

We use speedtest.net to check our xfer rates from home. Just go to that website, it's very useful.

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It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second.

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote. “Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

Time stamps in the metadata provide further evidence of what happened on July 5. The stamps recording the download indicate that it occurred in the Eastern Daylight Time Zone at approximately 6:45 pm. This confirms that the person entering the DNC system was working somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. In theory the operation could have been conducted from Bangor or Miami or anywhere in between—but not Russia, Romania, or anywhere else outside the EDT zone. Combined with Forensicator’s findings on the transfer rate, the time stamps constitute more evidence that the download was conducted locally, since delivery overheads—conversion of data into packets, addressing, sequencing times, error checks, and the like—degrade all data transfers conducted via the Internet, more or less according to the distance involved.

In addition, there is the adulteration of the documents Guccifer 2.0 posted on June 15, when he made his first appearance. This came to light when researchers penetrated what Folden calls Guccifer’s top layer of metadata and analyzed what was in the layers beneath. They found that the first five files Guccifer made public had each been run, via ordinary cut-and-paste, through a single template that effectively immersed them in what could plausibly be cast as Russian fingerprints. They were not: The Russian markings were artificially inserted prior to posting. “It’s clear,” another forensics investigator self-identified as HET, wrote in a report on this question, “that metadata was deliberately altered and documents were deliberately pasted into a Russianified [W]ord document with Russian language settings and style headings.”

To be noted in this connection: The list of the CIA’s cyber-tools WikiLeaks began to release in March and labeled Vault 7 includes one called Marble that is capable of obfuscating the origin of documents in false-flag operations and leaving markings that point to whatever the CIA wants to point to. (The tool can also “de-obfuscate” what it has obfuscated.) It is not known whether this tool was deployed in the Guccifer case, but it is there for such a use.

It is not yet clear whether documents now shown to have been leaked locally on July 5 were tainted to suggest Russian hacking in the same way the June 15 Guccifer release was. This is among several outstanding questions awaiting answers, and the forensic scientists active on the DNC case are now investigating it. In a note Adam Carter sent to Folden and McGovern last week and copied to me, he reconfirmed the corruption of the June 15 documents, while indicating that his initial work on the July 5 documents—of which much more is to be done—had not yet turned up evidence of doctoring.

In the meantime, VIPS has assembled a chronology that imposes a persuasive logic on the complex succession of events just reviewed. It is this:

On June 12 last year, Julian Assange announced that WikiLeaks had and would publish documents pertinent to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

On June 14, CrowdStrike, a cyber-security firm hired by the DNC, announced, without providing evidence, that it had found malware on DNC servers and had evidence that Russians were responsible for planting it.

On June 15, Guccifer 2.0 first appeared, took responsibility for the “hack” reported on June 14 and claimed to be a WikiLeaks source.It then posted the adulterated documents just described.

On July 5, Guccifer again claimed he had remotely hacked DNC servers, and the operation was instantly described as another intrusion attributable to Russia. Virtually no media questioned this account.



It does not require too much thought to read into this sequence. With his June 12 announcement, Assange effectively put the DNC on notice that it had a little time, probably not much, to act preemptively against the imminent publication of damaging documents. Did the DNC quickly conjure Guccifer from thin air to create a cyber-saboteur whose fingers point to Russia? There is no evidence of this one way or the other, but emphatically it is legitimate to pose the question in the context of the VIPS chronology. WikiLeaks began publishing on July 22. By that time, the case alleging Russian interference in the 2016 elections process was taking firm root. In short order Assange would be written down as a “Russian agent.”

I will note AGAIN that Julian Assange unequivocally states that the files did not come from a "Russia"; Craig Murray - a close associate of Julian Assange - says that he received the information personally in package form. I have been repeating this over and over, but the usual unwitting deep state trolls here refuse to even remember it.

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By any balanced reckoning, the official case purporting to assign a systematic hacking effort to Russia, the events of mid-June and July 5 last year being the foundation of this case, is shabby to the point taxpayers should ask for their money back. The Intelligence Community Assessment, the supposedly definitive report featuring the “high confidence” dodge, was greeted as farcically flimsy when issued January 6. Ray McGovern calls it a disgrace to the intelligence profession. It is spotlessly free of evidence, front to back, pertaining to any events in which Russia is implicated. James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence
... and a known liar, who once said that “No, sir" and "not wittingly” to a question about whether the National Security Agency was collecting “any type of data at all” on millions of Americans, only to be revealed as a vigorous bulk collector of domestic call records and internet data three months later by Ed Snowden

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admitted in May that “hand-picked” analysts from three agencies (not the 17 previously reported) drafted the ICA. There is a way to understand “hand-picked” that is less obvious than meets the eye: The report was sequestered from rigorous agency-wide reviews. This is the way these people have spoken to us for the past year.

Behind the ICA lie other indefensible realities. The FBI has never examined the DNC’s computer servers—an omission that is beyond preposterous. It has instead relied on the reports produced by Crowdstrike, a firm that drips with conflicting interests well beyond the fact that it is in the DNC’s employ. Dmitri Alperovitch, its co-founder and chief technology officer, is on the record as vigorously anti-Russian. He is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, which suffers the same prejudice. Problems such as this are many.

“We continue to stand by our report,” CrowdStrike said, upon seeing the VIPS blueprint of the investigation. CrowdStrike argues that by July 5 all malware had been removed from the DNC’s computers. But the presence or absence of malware by that time is entirely immaterial, because the event of July 5 is proven to have been a leak and not a hack. Given that malware has nothing to do with leaks, CrowdStrike’s logic appears to be circular.

In effect, the new forensic evidence considered here lands in a vacuum. We now enter a period when an official reply should be forthcoming. What the forensic people are now producing constitutes evidence, however one may view it, and it is the first scientifically derived evidence we have into any of the events in which Russia has been implicated. The investigators deserve a response, the betrayed professionals who formed VIPS as the WMD scandal unfolded in 2003 deserve it, and so do the rest of us. The cost of duplicity has rarely been so high.

I concluded each of the interviews conducted for this column by asking for a degree of confidence in the new findings. These are careful, exacting people as a matter of professional training and standards, and I got careful, exacting replies.

All those interviewed came in between 90 percent and 100 percent certain that the forensics prove out. I have already quoted Skip Folden’s answer: impossible based on the data. “The laws of physics don’t lie,” Ray McGovern volunteered at one point. “It’s QED, theorem demonstrated,” William Binney said in response to my question. “There’s no evidence out there to get me to change my mind.” When I asked Edward Loomis, a 90 percent man, about the 10 percent he held out, he replied, “I’ve looked at the work and it shows there was no Russian hack. But I didn’t do the work. That’s the 10 percent. I’m a scientist.”






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SECOND, been there, debunked that.

Too bad that Mueller already debunked your debunking.
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