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President Trump: good, bad, and ugly

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Monday, February 13, 2017 8:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, how is Trump doing on the three things that I thought were so important that they outweighed the fact that Trump would be a loose cannon ... something that I mentioned frequently BEFORE the election?
1) FREE TRADE
Two backed out of (TPP, TTIP) two more (NAFTA, CAFTA) to go. The WTO might be too big to tackle. The quality of Trump's "bilateral" deals has yet to be demonstrated.

2) MAKE NICE WITH RUSSIA
Trump is getting a lot of pushback from neocons in both parties. No progress in this area.

3) ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
So far, I've been very pleased with Trump's temporary pause on visas from seven war-torn, terrorist-burdened nations, plus his "surge" of raids and deportations. People who are in this country illegally shouldn't expect ICE to ignore the law on their behalf, and if they get swept up because they were in the company of drug-runners, gangbangers, and murderers ... oh well, maybe people will start being a little more careful about the company that they keep.

Things I KNEW I was going to be against
1) ENVIRONMENT AND ENERGY
However, by withdrawing from TPP and TTIP, the venue for disagreement is in the US courts and Congress, not secret tribunals in Brussels or Singapore. Different states can adopt different policies, and (strangely) it may be the liberal states arguing about "states' rights", which I find to be a positive development.

Things I suspected I might be against
1) REGULATORY POLICIES
Yes, I know that businesses - especially small businesses - face a welter of regulations. However, businesses have proven to be incapable of regulating themselves. There's a reason why regulatory agencies came into being in the first place. We all know what we want out of businesses: don't sell us contaminated products, don't shit up the environment, don't brutalize your workers. Why can't we simplify?

2) TAX POLICIES
I have no idea what will come out of the Trump administration. Our tax laws desperately need reform, but I doubt that Trump's reforms would match mine.

3) CHINA AND IRAN
Unnecessarily confrontational, militarily. China is an economic adversary, not a military one. Iran isn't our enemy at all, it's Saudi Arabia's - but who the heck cares?

Things I suspected I might be for
1) BORDER TAX
However, there will be a lot of pushback from out "trading partners" involving possibly the WTO
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-13/biggest-case-wto-history-euro
pe-prepares-legal-challenge-against-trump-border-tax

so it may have to be framed as a Value Added Tax reform, to make our taxes more like other nations and to level the playing field.

Issues that are complete unknowns:
1) OBAMACARE
Obamacare needs to be replaced, but it depends on with what. If Trump makes the government negotiate for best drug prices, he will do more to save Medicare than all of the liberal hand-wringing. It would also help Obamacare be more cost-effective. But what comes out is unpredictable.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


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Monday, February 13, 2017 9:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As far as I can tell, so far Trump has TALKED about a lot of things, which is open to opinion but hasn't resolved into fact. When he TALKS about Russia, for example, I interpret it as pre-positioning for Trump-style negotiations. What'll come out of it is anybody's guess.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/executive-orders-presidents-act
ions-presidential-memoranda
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executive orders

¤ Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal
¤ Expediting Environmental Reviews and Approvals for High-Profile Infrastructure Projects
¤ Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements (the wall)
¤ Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States (deportation, reducing funding to 'sanctuary entities)
¤ Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States
¤ Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Appointees (lifetime ban on administration officials lobbying for foreign governments, and a five-year ban for other lobbying)
¤ Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs (every new regulation requires two be phased out)
¤ Core Principles for Regulating the United States Financial System (directive for regulatory agencies to consider Trump's set of priorities and return a report within 120 days on which current laws don't abide by the order and the actions that may need to be taken)
¤ Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety (Trump outlines a commitment to reducing the US crime rate by tackling illegal immigration, drug trafficking and violent crime. It directs Attorney General Jeff Sessions to establish a task force that will collaborate with law enforcement nationwide and design new strategies to reduce crime.0
¤ Enforcing Federal Law with Respect to Transnational Criminal Organizations and Preventing International Trafficking (an order targeting transnational drug cartels)
¤ Preventing Violence Against Federal, State, Tribal, and Local Enforcement Officers
¤ Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice

presidential memorandums

¤ Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies -- An order to halt any new federal regulations until they can be reviewed by the new administration. This was a near exact replica of executive orders that the past two presidents have had their chiefs of staff issue at the beginning of their administrations.
Day 3:
¤ Regarding the Mexico City Policy -- Reinstates a policy that, among other things, restricts US funding to nongovernmental organizations that provide abortions.
¤ Regarding Withdrawal of the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership Negotiations and Agreement -- Withdraws the United States from a massive trade deal that was negotiated by the Obama administration, but not yet ratified by Congress. It was largely a symbolic move since the TPP was never officially enacted.
¤ Regarding the Hiring Freeze -- Institutes a freeze on the hiring of new federal workers, except for the military.
¤ Construction of American Pipelines - Says new pipelines should be made using US-produced materials.
¤ Regarding Construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline -- Kick starts a pipeline the Obama administration had quashed. Trump's order allows the pipelines to proceed but the projects are still a long way from getting underway. Trump himself said the US would renegotiate the terms of the pipelines, which implies a lengthy process with several competing interests.
¤ Regarding Construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline -- Prioritizes a controversial pipeline that was the subject of protests in North Dakota
¤ Streamlining Permitting and Reducing Regulatory Burdens for Domestic Manufacturing -- Requests a plan to make the permitting process easier for US manufacturers.
¤ Rebuilding the US Armed Forces -- spurs military spending and directs Defense Secretary James Mattis to begin "developing a plan for new planes, new ships, new resources and new tools for our men and women in uniform."
¤ Plan to Defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria -- Trump orders a new plan to defeat ISIS to be drawn up within 30 days. It will include mechanisms to cut off all of the terror group's funding, including sale of oil and historical artifacts.
¤ Organization of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council -- Elevates the President's chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, to full membership of the NSC and downgrades the roles of director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who "shall attend where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed."
¤ Presidential Memorandum on Fiduciary Duty Rule -- It's an apparent response to Obama's 2016 Fiduciary Rule, which prohibited retirement advisers from accepting incentives for promoting a particular fund over others. Trump's presidential memo calls for the Labor Department to review the rule.









How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 PM

THGRRI


The truth of what is going on is playing out in public. What you two post here is a joke.




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Monday, February 13, 2017 10:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, February 13, 2017 11:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Flynn resigns amid controversy over Russia contacts




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:26 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
How is Trump running the government?



Not sure why you quoted me on this one. I don't see how that reply pertains at all to what I was talking about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Cynically, Trump claims he will run the government like a business. Trump promised 6ix a good job (6ix is an unemployed Ne'er-do-well) and promised second a huge tax cut (second is the 1%). We can judge Trump by how soon he meets these goals and the cost to meet them. Since he is running the USA like a business, we need to also look at the National Debt. He could meet every goal almost instantaneously if he expands the National Debt very fast. But that would not be business-like, would it? You can read about these kinds of trade-offs between goals and expenditures at "Donald Trump is about to find out you can’t run government like a business"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/24/14346270/government-business
-chaos
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:50 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Liberal Democrats are becoming a joke, party greatly needs reform, if Trump continues having some media trouble they in the Dem party might stumble into a few new seats with midterm election but the Left Democrats have lost their way. I still Predict a growth in Third-party, independent, Libertarian and unaffiliated ...some media celeb types might start getting active in politics Roseanne Barr, WWE Dwayne 'the Rock' Johnson and others getting active online.

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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, let's see! A lot has happened in the past three years, by now enough to get a bead on Trump's performance as President! It will take me a while to go back over the record and process what has happened, but here's my top-of-the-head reaction

Trump has actually been relatively successful at getting traction on illegal immigration issues. The wall is getting built, without help from Congress. Visitors from wartorn jihadist-filled nations are blocked. Policy is changing on asylum, which economic migrants have been abusing for decades. Most successfully, Trump or one of his appointees did some out-of-the-box thinking and put pressure on Mexico to stem the surge of Central American migrants passing thru Mexico instead of just funneling them to the border, which has reduced pressure at the border by something like 50% from its peak. I think when Trump puts his mind to it, he knows how to accomplish.


Trump does seem to have a penchant for breaking up old agreements and old arrangements that he didn't have a hand in negotiating.

Sometimes that's a good thing, like with TTP and TTIP

Sometimes it's a neutral thing, like with the Paris Climate Accord (which was a feckless attempt at window-dressing a serious problem).

Sometimes that's a bad thing, like with the JCPOA and the INF.

Sometimes that's a nascent thing yet to occur like with NATO, the EU, N Korea, Israel, the Mideast, and Russia.

Sometimes that's a thing with many moving parts, like our trade relationship with China, which needed a serious reset but has both good and bad effects, yet to be determined.

In any case, Trump is a disruptor, or ... as I called him BEFORE the election ... a loose cannon. Now, I happen to believe that many of our former alliances, agreements and arrangements needed serious disruption, so shaking things loose is a necessary step towards improvement. OTOH, Trump has not been able to reach good conclusions for these disruptions. Part of this may be his combative approach of applying "maximum pressure" and sending out mixed signals before "the big ask"; part of this may be internal contradictions in his own set of goals (make nice with Russia, make war on Iran which I pointed out even before he was elected couldn't both be accomplished); and part of this may be resulting from neocon/deep state interference.

I think this requires a serious picking-apart. I suspect quite a bit of this chaos is due to deep state interference, given the CIA's feeding bad info to Trump via Gina Haspel (Syria, Skripal) and people like Bolton constantly monkey-wrenching Trump's foreign policy (N Korea, Venezuela, Iran, Syria, etc) It didn't help that Trump was being pressured by an internationally-coordinated covert operation and psyop against the American people.

But at this point it may not matter whether this is Trump's innate combative and disruptive approach to negotiations or lack of clarity of objectives or whether this is the deep state constantly throwing Trump's initiatives off track, because at SOME point the various negotiators across the table are going to throw in the towel and say that the Trump administration is (as the Russians say) "not agreement-capable" and I believe that point has been reached. And even if Trump manages to fire some of the sabateurs in his administration and rein in the rest, it's too late to pull the foreign policy bacon out of the fire.

Wittingly or not, thanks to sanctions and threats, what Trump has managed to do is consolidate Russia, China, Iran, and (sometimes) India, plus most of the 'stans into a trading and security bloc which will not be using either SWIFT or the dollar. For example, India just announced a deal to invest in Russia's northeast energy sources (I'll try to get the value, but it's in the realm of "billion"), while China just announced a $400 billion dollar deal to invest in Iran over 5 years, with Russian partners. (For comparison, Iran's GDP is about $400 billion, the same as the investment amount.) All of this investment will be in "soft" currencies ... ie not the dollar.

He is also consolidating the EU to some extent, since both France and Germany realize that the USA isn't going to automatically swoop in and save their hide in a conflict with Russia.

I personally think that this decentralization is a good thing; if you've read my posts about "robustness" you'll understand why but not going to re-explain it here. And this may in fact be Trump's overall goal: to reach a state whereby other nations disengage from the USA, instead of fighting his way to "our" disengagement" from "them". If that's the case, then he's one wily guy, because that effect will persist even when Trump is out of office.

*****

In any case there is much to discuss about Trump's effects on our trade balance, the value of the dollar, our economy, Federal budget, overall level of indebtedness, military preparedness, health care, media monopolization and "fake news" and so forth, I'm looking forward to a good discussion about the good, bad, and ugly of Trump's tenure so far. But please leave the trolling and delusions at the door.



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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Interesting and usually insightful analysis can be found here

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

THE DURAN




TOM LUONGO: GOLD, GOATS AND GUNS



Breaking headlines here, but allotacrap also
https://www.zerohedge.com/




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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Thursday, September 12, 2019 3:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hmmm ... anyone agree? Disagree? No takers on discussion?



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Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Trump's immigration crackdown starts to gain traction

Trump's immigration crackdown starts to gain traction
[AFP]
Sebastian Smith
,AFP•September 12, 2019

US President Donald Trump, pictured on September 11, celebrated a string of immigration victories this week
US President Donald Trump, pictured on September 11, celebrated a string of immigration victories this week (AFP Photo/NICHOLAS KAMM)

Washington (AFP) - With a little help from the Supreme Court and Mexico, US President Donald Trump's fitful crackdown on immigration is finally gaining traction.

Trump has spent his entire presidency promising to stop illegal immigration, shut out asylum seekers and wall off the Mexican border.

The far-reaching policies sparked an avalanche of court challenges, complaints from human rights organizations and derision from opposition Democrats ahead of next year's elections.

Undeterred, Trump has hammered away, making construction of a US-Mexican border wall one of his presidency's centerpieces -- and a key part of his 2020 reelection platform.

And this week he celebrated a string of victories.

The latest boost came Wednesday when the Supreme Court said he could enact severe restrictions on asylum seekers.

The ruling requires would-be refugees to ask for asylum in the first country they visit and only then -- if they are rejected -- can they attempt to apply in the United States.

The ruling -- which has temporary effect while challenges play out in lower courts -- shuts out large numbers of people fleeing violence and poverty in Central America. They will now have to apply for asylum in Mexico, rather than head directly to the United States.

Trump's opponents, as well as dissenting Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, say the change upends decades of tradition in which the US, itself founded by waves of often poor immigrants, has welcomed refugees.

But Trump, who argues that economic migrants abuse the system with fraudulent asylum claims, went on Twitter to herald the "BIG United States Supreme Court WIN for the Border on Asylum!"

"The Southern Border is becoming very strong despite the obstruction by Democrats," he tweeted.

- Mexico comes on board -

That's far from all.

In July, the Supreme Court backed Trump's move to divert billions of dollars in Pentagon funds to pay for extending or rebuilding stretches of wall on the Mexican border. This lets him circumvent fierce resistance to funding in a divided Congress.

The Pentagon also said this Tuesday that the deployment of 5,500 troops on the border -- something that was initially highly controversial -- was being extended for the coming year.

While Trump exaggerates the amount of wall-building activity there's no question that momentum is gradually shifting his way.

"The Wall is going up very fast despite total Obstruction by Democrats in Congress, and elsewhere!" he tweeted Wednesday.

Perhaps the most significant shift has happened on the other side of the long, rugged frontier, where the Mexican government has set aside previous hostility to cooperate with Trump.

The change in mood follows threats by Trump to impose trade tariffs on Mexico, even though the two countries are in a free trade agreement together with Canada.

Not that Mexico is entirely happy. Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard called the new US asylum restrictions, which could mean a torrent of new cases for his country, "unprecedented."

"Or course we disagree," he said.

But Mexico appears to have accepted it has no choice but to play by Trump's rules.

On Monday, Mark Morgan, head of the US border patrol service, welcomed "unprecedented support" from Mexico, which he said has deployed 10,000 troops on its own southern border with Central America and 15,000 on the US border.

Proof that the joint crackdown is having an effect is in the numbers, US officials say.

August detentions of undocumented migrants numbered 64,000, down from 82,000 the previous month and 144,000 in May, Morgan said. Mexico, he said, has apprehended 134,000 people so far this year, compared to 83,000 in all of 2018.

Democrats use the immigration issue to paint Trump as heartless, even racist. But the president feels he's on the right track.

On Monday, as streams of Bahamians tried to exit islands ravaged by Hurricane Dorian, Trump made clear the United States would eye this latest group of asylum seekers skeptically.

"I don't want to allow people that weren't supposed to be in the Bahamas to come into the United States, including some very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers," he said.

The language echoed his long-term characterization of Central American migrants as potential rapists and gang members.


https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-immigration-crackdown-starts-gain-tracti
on-171804088.html


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Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:57 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

In any case, Trump is a disruptor, or ... as I called him BEFORE the election ... a loose cannon. Now, I happen to believe that many of our former alliances, agreements and arrangements needed serious disruption, so shaking things loose is a necessary step towards improvement. OTOH, Trump has not been able to reach good conclusions for these disruptions. Part of this may be his combative approach of applying "maximum pressure" and sending out mixed signals before "the big ask"; part of this may be internal contradictions in his own set of goals (make nice with Russia, make war on Iran which I pointed out even before he was elected couldn't both be accomplished); and part of this may be resulting from neocon/deep state interference.

And part Trump is not well. Accepting the reality about the president’s disordered personality is important — even essential.

Trump’s psychological impairments are obvious to all who are not willfully blind. On a daily basis we see the president’s chaotic, unstable mind on display. Are we supposed to ignore that?

Donald Trump’s disordered personality — his unhealthy patterns of thinking, functioning, and behaving — has become the defining characteristic of his presidency. It manifests itself in multiple ways: his extreme narcissism; his addiction to lying about things large and small, including his finances and bullying and silencing those who could expose them; his detachment from reality, including denying things he said even when there is video evidence to the contrary; his affinity for conspiracy theories; his demand for total loyalty from others while showing none to others; and his self-aggrandizement and petty cheating.

It manifests itself in Trump’s impulsiveness and vindictiveness; his craving for adulation; his misogyny, predatory sexual behavior, and sexualization of his daughters; his open admiration for brutal dictators; his remorselessness; and his lack of empathy and sympathy, including attacking a family whose son died while fighting for this country, mocking a reporter with a disability, and ridiculing a former POW. (When asked about Trump’s feelings for his fellow human beings, Trump’s mentor, the notorious lawyer Roy Cohn, reportedly said, “He pisses ice water.”)

The most recent example is the president’s bizarre fixation on falsely insisting that he was correct to warn that Alabama faced a major risk from Hurricane Dorian, to the point that he doctored a hurricane map with a black Sharpie to include the state as being in the path of the storm.

“He’s deteriorating in plain sight,” one Republican strategist who is in frequent contact with the White House told Business Insider on Friday. Asked why the president was obsessed with Alabama instead of the states that would actually be affected by the storm, the strategist said, “You should ask a psychiatrist about that; I’m not sure I’m qualified to comment.”

We have repeatedly heard versions of that sentiment over the course of Trump’s presidency.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/donald-trump-not-well/597640/

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Friday, September 13, 2019 12:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


blah blah blah



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 13, 2019 6:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
blah blah blah

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You could get exactly the same policies from V.P. Mike Pence without Trump's sudden U-Turns, dithering, confusion, and long delays because the machinery that's doing the actual work -- the GOP -- would be exactly the same.

For 8 months George Bush's presidency was as peaceful as Trump's first 33 months, but if there was another 9/11, Trump would react the same as Bush, except the target would be Iran rather that Iraq because Trump has a funny thing going around in his head about Iran, same as Bush had with Iraq. I am unsure if President Mike Pence would arbitrarily and capriciously target Iran after another 9/11, since Pence is not nuts. But Iran might be the GOP's preferred next target, and hence Pence's: "Bolton Is Gone, but Tensions With Iran Remain High"
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/12/bolton-is-gone-but-tensions-with-
iran-remain-high-rouhani-jcpoa-oil-sanctions-trump
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Friday, September 13, 2019 11:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How do you know that Pence isn't nuts?



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 13, 2019 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

How do you know that Pence isn't nuts?

The baseline is Trump. Compared to Trump, Pence is an exemplary model of stability and rectitude. There are long, long lists of how many times Trump lied; not so long for Pence.
www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/fals
e
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The beauty of Pence is that he has all the same policy preferences as Trump, but without the dizzying spin of Trump, who is bouncing randomly around like a steel ball on a whirling roulette wheel. Somebody needs to up Trump's dosage of medication for bipolar syndrome. He is in the maniac stage all the time.
www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/hypomania-mania-symptoms




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Friday, September 13, 2019 6:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Somebody needs to up Trump's dosage of medication for bipolar syndrome. He is in the maniac stage all the time.
www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/hypomania-mania-symptoms



That's called Mania. If he is in that stage all of the time than he doesn't have Bipolar Disorder.

Don't quit your day job as a goat herder or whatever it was.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 3:34 AM

SIGNYM

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You could get exactly the same policies from V.P. Mike Pence ...
Like what? Just OOC what policies would Pence follow that would be exactly the same as Trump?

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 8:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

You could get exactly the same policies from V.P. Mike Pence ...
Like what? Just OOC what policies would Pence follow that would be exactly the same as Trump?




He couldn't possibly have an answer for that question. Pence is a completely unknown quantity. I can't recall a time in my life where there ever was a VP who was less talked about than Pence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 10:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Not only is it impossible to know what policies Pence would follow, I'll bet SECOND can't describe Trump's policies either.Which is why I don't really discuss much with SECOND, because he keeps making fatuous statements that he can't possbly have spent even three seconds thinking about.

But yeah, I'd be interested to see if SECOND has an answer for this one.

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not only is it impossible to know what policies Pence would follow, I'll bet SECOND can't describe Trump's policies either.Which is why I don't really discuss much with SECOND, because he keeps making fatuous statements that he can't possbly have spent even three seconds thinking about.

But yeah, I'd be interested to see if SECOND has an answer for this one.

Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP's elders. So would Trump's if only Trump could understand what he is being told. If you haven't noticed, Trump is stupid and he doesn't know the difference between what he is being told to do and what he does do. He's just such a numbskull. Pence is not, or at least he hides his ignorance better than Trump does.

For an example that is purely technical and has nothing to do with the difference between Democrats and Republicans, Trump has been told the predictable and obvious consequences of his economic policies, but he doesn't grasp what he has been told. I'm pretty sure Pence does, but Pence is not in charge. Pence isn't in a position to prove, yet, that he is smarter than Trump on economics:

www.nytimes.com/2019/09/12/opinion/trump-economy.html

Trump’s two signature economic policies were his 2017 tax cut and his rapidly escalating trade war with China. The first was "supposed" (if you believed what Trump believed for no real reason) to lead to a decade or more of rapid economic growth, while the second was "supposed" to revive U.S. manufacturing.

In reality, however, the tax cut delivered at most a couple of quarters of higher growth. More specifically, huge tax breaks for corporations haven’t delivered the promised surge in wages and business investment; instead, corporations used the windfall to buy back stocks and pay higher dividends.

At the same time, the trade war has turned out to be a major drag on the economy — bigger than many people expected. Until last fall the general expectation was that Trump would deal with China the way he dealt with Mexico: make a few mainly cosmetic changes to existing arrangements, claim victory, and move on. Once it became clear that he was really serious about confrontation, however, business confidence began falling, dragging investment down with it.

And voters have noticed: Trump’s approval rating on the economy, while still higher than his overall approval, has started to decline. Hence the panicky demands that the Fed pull out all the stops.

But while Trump realizes that he’s in trouble, there’s no indication that he understands why. He’s not the kind of person who ever admits, even to himself, that he made mistakes; his instinct is always to blame someone else while doubling down on his failed policies.

Even actions that look like a slight policy softening, like his announcement of a two-week delay in implementing some China tariffs, betray a deep incomprehension of the problem — which has as much to do with his capriciousness as with the tariffs per se. Policy zigzags, even if they involve delaying tariffs, just add to the will-he-or-won’t-he uncertainty that’s causing companies to put investment on hold.

So what happens next? Trump could reverse course, and do what most people expected a year ago, reaching a deal with China that more or less restores the status quo. But that would be a de facto admission of defeat — and at this point it’s not clear why the Chinese would trust him to honor any such deal past Election Day 2020. The fact is that when it comes to economic policy, Trump has trapped himself in a bad place.

More at www.nytimes.com/2019/09/12/opinion/trump-economy.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:59 AM

SIGNYM

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Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP's elders.
Which are ... what?

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So would Trump's IF only Trump could understand what he is being told.
So, Trump's policies ARE NOT what the GOP elders want (whatever those are) and since Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP elders (whatever that is) the only logical conclusion is that Pence's polices WOULD NOT be the same as Trump's.

Seriously dood, does it not trouble you that you contradict yourself within the space of three posts? That's why I barely read your posts. You're a shit-skimmer; you skim for shit and post it without applying even the slightest filtration. And now you're busy shitting up this thread too. Why should I bother reading shit?


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Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:22 PM

SIGNYM

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A critical commentary about Trump's foreign policy with a critical description of Moke Pennce

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Trump Foreign Policy as Theater of the Absurd
A nightmare that one never wakes up from
Philip Giraldi • September 10, 2019

One might be forgiven for thinking that the foreign policy of the United States is some kind of theatrical performance, like a comic opera, with new characters appearing on stage willy-nilly and then being driven off after committing an incredible faux pas only to be replaced by even more grotesquely clownish figures. Unfortunately, while the musical chairs and plot twists contrived by a Goldoni or Moliere generally have a cheerful ending, the same cannot be said about what has been taking place in the White House.

The latest White House somewhat unexpected departure was that of ex-real estate lawyer Jason Greenblatt, who has been hanging around for over two years putting together the Deal of the Century for the Middle East. The Deal will reportedly end forever the possibility of any real Palestinian state but has run into a problem because Israel does not want its hands tied in any way while the Saudis and friends are reluctant to come up with the cash to fund the arrangement. Back to square one, though the Administration has replaced Greenblatt with thirty-year old Avi Berkowitz, whose only qualification for the position is that he is a friend of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner and whose most recent job at the White House consisted of managing “daily logistics like getting coffee…” The president is nevertheless still insisting that the peace plan will be revealed in all its glory after the Israeli election on September 17th.

Another administration notable who now appears to be waiting for the hook to come out from offstage and take him away is National Security Adviser John Bolton.

timely prediction

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Bolton has long been regarded by those who still believe that Donald Trump actually has a heart and a mind as the eminence grise seated behind the throne who has encouraged the president’s bad angels. That may indeed be so, but leaks are now suggesting that the president has been disagreeing with his chief minister and marginalizing his presence in meetings. But as bad as Bolton truly is, one should not dismiss from consideration Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Vice President Mike Pence, both of whom, like Bolton, have exhibited extraordinary ability to provide bad advice and to simultaneously say and do stupid things.

Pence’s recent error plagued trip to Ireland left one exasperated Irish journalist complaining that it was as if the Vice President had been invited to someone’s home and had “shat on the new carpet in the spare room, the one you bought specially for him” before his departure. Pence had unwisely made comments about Brexit that were both uninformed and regarded as “humiliating” by his hosts. But his real crime was that he blamed his boss for the ridiculous decision to stay at a Trump property 180 miles away from Dublin. President Trump denied the claim and, as he does not like being embarrassed by his subordinates, there is already talk that Pence will be replaced on the Republican ticket in 2020.
Unfortunately, Attila the Hun is no longer available but it is certain that the GOP will be able to come up with someone else who will, like Pence, offend almost everyone. Tom Cotton maybe? Nikki Haley?

Now that North Korea is not cooperating with Trump’s distinctive brand of diplomacy, the Great Negotiator has turned to America (and Israel’s) enemy number one, suggesting a sit down with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. The only problem with that is that Rouhani is not playing because the United States has been engaged in nothing less than “maximum pressure” economic warfare against his country. End the sanctions and Rouhani would consider talking directly.

Israel, of course, is deeply concerned lest American and Iranian heads of government actually get together to discuss things. According to some observers, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is believed to be somewhat nervous over that possibility and wants to get a hotter war going in the region to disrupt any consideration of entente between Tehran and Washington. That is why the Israelis have been escalating their attacks against claimed “Iranian targets” in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon, an initiative intended to provoke an Iranian reaction which will then be escalated by Netanyahu to draw Washington in supporting Israel while also putting an end to any consideration of top-level talks.

Also the West Bank and Gaza. Netanyahu is running for office; elections to be held in just a few short days (sept 17). Much of what comes out of Netanyahu's mouth is electoral campaigning, hence the "maximum warhawk" positioning.

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As a side show to the deep thinking going on in the White House, there is the Iranian tanker saga. One might recall that the tanker Adrian Darya 1, which claimed to be registered in Panama while carrying alleged Iranian oil allegedly bound for Syria, was halted in Gibraltar by the British at the request of the American State Department even though it was in international waters at the time. The U.S. has been sanctioning nearly everything having to do with Iran, to include its export of oil, and is also enforcing sanctions imposed on the government in Syria. Pompeo claimed, in fact, that he had “reliable information” the ship was transporting oil to Syria in defiance of wide-ranging U.S. and European Union initiated sanctions directed against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over false claims that it had been using chemical weapons. The Treasury Department added that the vessel was “blocked property” under an anti-terrorist order, and “anyone providing support to the Adrian Darya 1 risks being sanctioned.”

After six weeks detention, the British released the tanker on August 18th when a Gibraltar judge ruled that there were no grounds for seizing it in the first place, adding that it could not be turned over to Washington. Since that time, it has been making its way across the Mediterranean headed for ports unknown. It is, inevitably, being stalked by the United States Navy, which may or may not attempt to take control of it before it heads to shore in Lebanon or Syria.

The entire situation is farcical, but here is where the fun comes in: Brian Hook, a true Trumpean know-nothing who somehow has been designated U.S. Grand Poobah for Iran, sent an email on August 26th to the ship’s Indian captain Akhilesh Kumar. The message said “This is Brian Hook?.?.?.?I work for secretary of state Mike Pompeo… I am writing with good news.”

The “good news” consisted of an offer to give Captain Kumar millions of dollars if he would sail the Adrian Darya 1 to a port that would impound the ship for the U.S. Kumar did not respond to the offer to turn pirate and steal the vessel, so “Captain” Hook dropped the hammer in a second email, writing that: “With this money you can have any life you wish and be well-off in old age. If you choose not to take this easy path, life will be much harder for you.”

The sublimely ridiculous proposal to Kumar comes on top of a similar appeal from the Department of State, which last week offered rewards of up to $15 million for information that would enable the disruption of the financial mechanisms used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). State, acting through its humorously named “Rewards for Justice” program, will pay money for any information regarding the revenue sources of the IRGC, which was listed as a foreign terrorist organization in April.

The State Department announced the rewards at a briefing late last Wednesday morning, with Brian Hook saying that “The IRGC trains, funds, and equips proxy organizations across the Middle East. Iran wants these groups to extend the borders of the regime’s revolution and sow chaos and sectarian violence. We are using every available diplomatic and economic tool to disrupt these operations.”

Having experienced schemes involving paying rewards for information while I was overseas with the CIA, I can with considerable confidence predict that the U.S. Embassies in Turkey and Dubai will be flooded with desperate Iranians peddling what stories they have made up in exchange for money or visas. The actual information obtained will be approaching zero.

The American beneficence towards the Middle East currently also includes, apparently, intervening yet again in Syria to prevent the Syrian Army and its Iranian and Russian allies from eliminating the last major terrorist pocket in the country’s Idlib province. Fact is, it is the United States being led by the nose by Israel that has both supported terrorists and created most of the unrest and violence in the Middle East, central Asia and North Africa.

Additionally, also last week, the Treasury Department’s Office for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence headed by Under Secretary Sigal Mandelker, an Israeli, sanctioned more than two-dozen entities and individuals as well as 11 ships allegedly supporting IRGC oil shipments going to Bashar al-Assad’s Syria and other “illicit actors.” One has to wonder if the Treasury’s Office “for Terrorism” might actually be “for Terrorism” as long as it is carried out by the U.S. and its “best friend and closest ally” in the Middle East.

All in all, one hell of a week. A Greenblatt gone replaced by a Berkowitz, possibly Bolton and Pence going, piracy on the high seas, cash for info schemes, and lots more sanctions. Can’t get much more exciting than that, but let’s wait for next week to see what Donald Trump will give his good buddy Benjamin Netanyahu as a pre-electoral gift. Rumor has it that it will include American recognition of Israel’s right to annex most of the rest of the West Bank plus security guarantees that the U.S. will have the Jewish state’s back no matter what it seeks to do with its neighbors. Stay tuned!



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Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:23 PM

SIGNYM

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The dratted double

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:23 PM

SIGNYM

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The terrible triple!

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 2:59 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP's elders.
Which are ... what?

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So would Trump's IF only Trump could understand what he is being told.
So, Trump's policies ARE NOT what the GOP elders want (whatever those are) and since Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP elders (whatever that is) the only logical conclusion is that Pence's polices WOULD NOT be the same as Trump's.

Seriously dood, does it not trouble you that you contradict yourself within the space of three posts? That's why I barely read your posts. You're a shit-skimmer; you skim for shit and post it without applying even the slightest filtration. And now you're busy shitting up this thread too. Why should I bother reading shit?

You want to talk Trump's "policy", as if Trump is designing, crafting something. He can't do it because he is stupid. Please remember that Sharpiegate was only last week, Signym. Trump was showing himself as a real idiot on something completely trivial, but he is even worse at understanding economic predictions then he is on weather predictions. Mike Pence would never fall into the confusion and silliness that Trump does every day about everything.
www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/this-isnt-just-a-stupid-story-i
ts-a-big-story-an-oral-history-of-sharpiegate/2019/09/13/504b63c4-d404-11e9-9610-fb56c5522e1c_story.html


You can actually see how stupid Trump is if you watch the video. He hasn't the good sense to shut up on the stage. Read one those tell all books written about the early months of his administration (Fire and Fury Inside the Trump White House by Michael Wolff [2017]). Trump is the same way in all areas: Meetings, diplomacy, speech-making, whatever he does. He pleased his voters for "telling it like it is" but Trump cannot turn his mouth off and think for 10-minutes before rambling on some more, saying the stupidest stuff. And then making the stupidity his new policy. You will never see Pence be this idiotic in unscripted remarks:



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 3:11 PM

SIGNYM

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You want to talk Trump's "policy", as if Trump is designing, crafting something- STUPID


No, YOU want to talk Trump "policy".
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You could get exactly the same policies from V.P. Mike Pence


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Saturday, September 14, 2019 6:54 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You want to talk Trump's "policy", as if Trump is designing, crafting something- STUPID


No, YOU want to talk Trump "policy".
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You could get exactly the same policies from V.P. Mike Pence


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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

The difference between Pence and Trump come down to competence. It is excruciatingly obvious that Trump is incompetent, but there is a funny thing I've noticed: incompetent people can't tell that Trump is incompetent, since he is continually bragging that he is great at his job. Hint: if you think Trump is great, you don't know what doing a great job is. Another oddity: the higher your income, the less likely you are to vote for Trump.

In the distant past, the richer you were the more likely you were to vote for a Republican. That’s held true in every single presidential election since 1948 — until you get to 2016. In that year, the top two income deciles (D9 and D10) suddenly diverged from their usual historical pattern and voted for Democrats by about 30 points more than they should have.

The upper middle class and the rich like Donald Trump way, way less than they like the average Republican.

In 1948, highly-educated voters preferred Republicans by 16 points. That’s changed pretty steadily, and in the 2016 election highly-educated voters preferred Democrats by 24 points. That’s a swing of 40 points.

Those voters with high incomes could predict that Trump would be grossly incompetent. He has since proved it, day after day.

It is unsurprising that Trump can't understand what the GOP elders want him to do. He loses track of the GOP plan and gets hopelessly confused by the details. It is not that he doesn't want to do what the GOP wants him to do. He can't because he is stupid as hell and too proud to get help. On the other hand, Pence is not stupid nor confused.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/raw-data-we-have-met-the-merito
cracy-and-it-is-us
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:09 PM

SIGNYM

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The difference between Pence and Trump come down to competence.
How would you know?

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It is excruciatingly obvious that Trump is incompetent
It's obvious that he's inconsistent and unpredictable. That might be a deliberate tactic. And even if it isn't, it may have a positive effect.

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but there is a funny thing I've noticed: incompetent people can't tell that Trump is incompetent
By logic, incompetent people can't tell that he's competent either, since they're unlikely to be able to recognize either one.

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:12 PM

SIGNYM

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I'm trying to figure the guy out, SECOND, not bag on him or praise him.

Trump is combative, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because if you're trying to change long-standing policies that are advocated by pretty much everyone in government, such as outsourcing American jobs and tolerating (if not outright encouraging) illegal immigration, hemorrhaging money to our bought-and-paid-for "allies" ... well, it helps to be combative because you're going to have a fight on your hands.

Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right!

But I am frustrated with his inability to stop the neocons and his (apparent) constant sucking up to Israel. (if Netanyahu fails to get elected, Kushner will have to find a new BFF in Israel.) His foreign policy is a mess, and he can't really blame Bolt-on because after all, he was the one who appointed him. And his economic policy is pretty pointless ... if you're going to revitalize manufacturing you're going to have to do more than repatriate capital, tarrif imports, and cross your fingers; American financialists aren't "into" investing, they're into speculation. Trump would have to find some way of actually mandating investment in manufacturing or having the governent invest directly itself. Plus, he's way overbudget.

So I'm just trying to get an overall bead on whether or not Trump is lurching in generally a good direction or not.

We (Americans) are facing a long list of problems NOT caued by trump; these are problems literally 50+ years in the making. The question is, is Trump solving them, making them worse, sliding sideways, or something else?

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm trying to figure the guy out, SECOND, not bag on him or praise him.

It is perfectly obvious that Trump is attempting to follow the standard GOP designs, but he deviates from those designs because he is stupid.

Why would you think Trump can solve 50+ year old of problems? He might want to talk about them, and brag that only he could solve the problems, but the GOP doesn't care to help Trump on his ego trip to a glorious story about Trump. It has a different set of tasks, and Trump either does what the GOP wants or the work does not get done.

Trump is like somebody assembling furniture from the IKEA Catalog, but he does poor quality work. His shelves and tables are wobbly and his chairs might collapse when sat in. On the other hand, Pence would actually read and follow the instructions and his finished IKEA/GOP furniture would be solid. But what both Trump and Pence are trying to build would be the same old highly recognizable GOP/IKEA designs. Trump is bad at assembling and Pence is probably better. But what they are doing is assembling furniture. It is not at all about solving problems that attracted Signym's attention.

For one example: if Trump wanted to actually solve the illegal alien problem, he wouldn't start with building the Texas/Mexico Wall, which requires GOP Congress to agree. Instead he'd be enforcing already existing laws about illegal aliens and he would be going full speed ahead with deporting those 25,000,000 aliens who have addresses, phone numbers, cars, jobs, everything that citizens have except citizenship. It ought to be pretty damn easy to figure out who is not a citizen, then deport them. But Trump hasn't figured out anything. I'm pretty sure that is because the GOP hasn't told Trump how to do it since the GOP elders want a large supply of cheap illegal immigrant labor that is easy for bosses to intimidate. But the GOP elders cannot talk in public about that because GOP voters would not agree.

"Trump vowed millions of immigration arrests in dramatic raids. ICE caught 18 family members."
www.texastribune.org/2019/07/24/trump-promised-massive-immigration-rai
ds-ice-caught-18-family-members
/

"Largest US immigration raids in a decade net 680 arrests"
www.apnews.com/bbcef8ddae4e4303983c91880559cf23

The GOP is not helping Trump think his way to a solution. Without help, Trump is flailing around.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 8:02 AM

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Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right!




You should read your own posts sometimes - hi-larious.

You realize you bring up RUSSIA! more than anyone else here except lately 6, and sometimes Kookie, right? I also think it's funny that you care about it so much. Why? So what if people want to know more about Trump's involvement with Putin. Doesn't that just make sense? Isn't it prudent? Why does that bother you so much? He and his family have been lying about their relations with Russia since before the election. Aren't you curious why?

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:13 AM

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Because, Captain, they railed on it non-stop for 2 1/2 years and it was all bullshit.



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Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:07 AM

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Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right! SIGNY


You should read your own posts sometimes - hi-larious.
You realize you bring up RUSSIA! more than anyone else here except lately 6, and sometimes Kookie, right? I also think it's funny that you care about it so much. Why? So what if people want to know more about Trump's involvement with Putin. Doesn't that just make sense?

No BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY OF SIGNIFICANCE.

It's like obssessing over Saddam's WMD, or Alex Jones' lizard people: It's delusional. Your minds (yours, WISHY's, JO's, SECOND.s, THUGR's) keep circling this non-event like our planet circles the sun, you can't seen to escape its attraction. You've been captured by a psoyp, and you can't seem to get out.

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Isn't it prudent?
NO IT'S DELUSIONAL

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Why does that bother you so much?
BECAUSE IT'S DELUSIONAL

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He and his family have been lying about their relations with Russia since before the election.
NO THEY HAVEN'T

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Aren't you curious why?
NO, BECAUSE I'M NOT DELUSIONAL.

Lookit CC, anyone who does business or politics internationally will have SOME contact with Russia somewhere along the way. Why do you insist on turning this into something it isn't?

I'm more concerned about Trump's ties to ISRAEL, which are MUCH more apparent and MUCH more dangerous, since "Bibi" seems intent on getting us into a war with Iran and fighting his wars for him. Why aren't you worried about that?

I know the answer: BECAUSE YOU'RE DELUSIONAL AND I'M NOT.

Your delusions (colletively) are preventing you from seeing and responding to real problems. You're kike the guy glued to his smart pone as he walks off a cliff.


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Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:27 AM

SIGNYM

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huh?


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Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:37 AM

SIGNYM

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Another "where did THAT come from"?

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Consider this thread to be an exercise in thinking about Trump without thinking about Russian "collusion", since that didn't happen and Russia is insignificant in that context.

Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please?

Negative interest rates?
War with Iran?
Exploding debt load?

Any of this ringing a bell?

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right!




You should read your own posts sometimes - hi-larious.

You realize you bring up RUSSIA! more than anyone else here except lately 6, and sometimes Kookie, right? I also think it's funny that you care about it so much. Why? So what if people want to know more about Trump's involvement with Putin. Doesn't that just make sense? Isn't it prudent? Why does that bother you so much? He and his family have been lying about their relations with Russia since before the election. Aren't you curious why?


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Sunday, September 15, 2019 12:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Please leave your delusion at the door ...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Consider this thread to be an exercise in thinking about Trump without thinking about Russian "collusion", since that didn't happen and Russia is insignificant in that context.

Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please?

Negative interest rates?
War with Iran?
Exploding debt load?

Any of this ringing a bell?



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Sunday, September 15, 2019 12:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



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US, Israel talk about mutual defense treaty – Trump
Oy vey!
Of course, one never knows how seriously to take what Trump says ... There is a lot of oover-the-top electioneering going on in Israel right now, and the Trump administration is ready to hop onboard with allegations against Iran.

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The US and Israel are discussing a mutual defense treaty that would further cement the already “tremendous” alliance between the two countries, President Donald Trump has revealed.

"I had a call today with Prime Minister Netanyahu to discuss the possibility of moving forward with a Mutual Defense Treaty, between the United States and Israel, that would further anchor the tremendous alliance between our two countries," Trump tweeted.

....between our two countries. I look forward to continuing those discussions after the Israeli Elections when we meet at the United Nations later this month!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2019

Trump voiced not-that-veiled support for Benjamin Netanyahu ahead of the upcoming parliamentary elections in Israel.

“I look forward to continuing those discussions after the Israeli Elections when we meet at the United Nations later this month!” Trump wrote.

The support surely comes in handy, as Netanyahu’s backing appears to be quite shaky. The September 17 polls are the second snap legislative elections this year after Netanyahu failed to form the government back in April.

The outcome of the upcoming vote is hard to predict, as Netanyahu’s party, Likud, has almost equal support as their main opponent the Blue and White led by Benny Gantz, opinion polls show.

Netanyahu was quick to respond to Trump’s announcement, lauding the prospects of the alliance and managing to call the US president a “friend” twice in a single tweet.

Thank you my dear friend President @realDonaldTrump. The Jewish State has never had a greater friend in the White House. I look forward to our meeting at the UN to advance a historic Defense Treaty between the United States and Israel.
— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) September 14, 2019

Forging a proper US-Israel alliance won’t be that great a step, since the standing agreements already oblige Washington to protect Tel Aviv in case of a war, former Pentagon official Michael Maloof believes. Still, such a deal somewhat increases the chances of the US being “lured into a conflict we don’t want.”

“In one sense, it would commit the United States to Israel’s defense, even if Israel decides to attack, let’s say, for example, Iran, then we will be committed to back them up without any hesitation. Already we have what amounts to a defense arrangement,” Maloof told RT. “Even without a piece of paper, the United States would come to Israel’s assistance, if it was physically attacked en masse.”

What I’m concerned about is that with someone like Netanyahu it will actually commit us even more to going into a conflict that he may drag us into.

Trump’s decision to announce such plans just a few days before the Israeli elections is not a coincidence, Maloof noted, and it clearly shows that he tried “to send a message that he wants Netanyahu re-elected.”

ie. the USA interfering in an Israeli election ...

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Relations between Washington and Tel Aviv have always been quite cozy – and got even closer under Trump – yet the two countries do not have a full-fledged military alliance.

Israel was one of the first major non-Nato ally (MNNA), a designation that goes with a whole set of benefits, such as generous loans, a priority in delivery of various military surplus, possession of war reserve stocks of Pentagon-owned hardware outside US military bases (Israel is said to have at least six sites) and others.

Yest in 2014 the US enshrined Israel into a new class of ally – a major strategic partner. The new designation, which is a step above MNNA, was basically established specifically for Israel. It greatly expanded the US wartime stockpiles in Israel from $200 million in value to a whopping $1.8 billion.

Under the Trump administration, the trend has continued, and in 2017, the US established its first permanent military base – an air defense facility – in Israel.

If the mutual defense treaty between the two countries fleshes out, it would be the first such deal for Washington in decades. The US has standing agreements of such sort with Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and the Philippines. The latest one was signed with Japan in 1960, and since then the US has apparently opted for dragging countries into NATO instead of striking bilateral deals.

Another, quite antiquated, mutual protection agreement is the Rio Treaty signed by the US and the nations of Central and Southern Americas back in 1947. Several countries have withdrawn from it since then and the deal was breached several times. Still, US officials dusted off the deal earlier this year amid attempts to overthrow the Venezuelan government. The self-styled ‘interim president’ Juan Guaido and his rogue National Assembly “reinstated” Venezuela on the treaty which was denounced by legitimate Caracas authorities back in 2013.


https://www.rt.com/news/468831-us-israel-negotiate-mutual-defense/


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Sunday, September 15, 2019 1:23 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Consider this thread to be an exercise in thinking about Trump without thinking about Russian "collusion", since that didn't happen and Russia is insignificant in that context.



How do you know "it" didn't happen? Too many connections for there to be nothing. Plus, Trump's a dealer and a compulsive liar, some would say a loose cannon even...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please?



Those are your big problems? Bigger than having a crime family in the WH who are under our greatest advesary's thumb?

Negative interest rates? - List any long term (more than 5 years) successful uses.
War with Iran? - Without Bolton this is unlikely (not that it was ever likely). It would cost us way too much without any ROI.
Exploding debt load? - Personal or Gov? Trump?

I can think of much more important problems - in no particular order:

Tariff war with China
Health Care
Opioid Addiction
Gun legislation
Human trafficking
Alternative Power
Climate
Infrastructure
Russia!
Kneeling Black pro football players

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 1:29 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by THG:

video



Funny video, T! Him and what's his name, Shep Smith? And Wallace - they actually have some decent talking heads that have their lights on.

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Sunday, September 15, 2019 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Consider this thread to be an exercise in thinking about Trump without thinking about Russian "collusion", since that didn't happen and Russia is insignificant in that context. - SIGNY

How do you know "it" didn't happen?- CC

Because despite a REAL TIME counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign (which ran a number of "dangles" on campaigners), and an after-the-fact multi-year "investigation" (which btw used such sleazy and illegal tactics as hiding exculpatory evidence (eg an internal memo which cleared Flynn of "collusion" with Russia) in order to pressure potential witnesses) there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any such "collusion" occurred.

Seriously, if there had been collusion it would have left traces ... electronic communications, at least ONE packet captured by the NSA, real-time humint... but there's nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. Just your paranoia.

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Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please?- SIGNY

Those are your big problems? Bigger than having a crime family in the WH who are under our greatest advesary's thumb?- CC

Not real, just your delusion, which you can't seem to shake.

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Negative interest rates? - List successful uses
None
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War with Iran? - Without Bolton this is unlikely (not that it was ever likely)
I hope you're right

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IF the unlikely were to happen... it won't be because of Israel. It will cost us way too much without any ROI.
And all of our other ME wars? Why did THEY happen? There was no ROI either, and over a trillion dollars were spent - not chump change!
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Exploding debt load? - Personal or Gov? Trump?
At all levels- corporate, personal, public, trade.

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I can think of much more important problems:

Tariff war with China
Health Care
Opioid Addiction
Gun legislation
Human trafficking
Alternative Power
Climate
Russia!

Jeezus
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Kneeling Black pro football players


Health care and tariff war - check. Opioid addiction is a subset of healthcare.

Gun legislation ... ho hum

Human trafficking - a tragedy, but we can stop it without too much trouble. Starting with securing our borders.

Climate- yep.

Fractional reserve banking, probably THE source of many of our economic and financial problems. Lots of things to discuss BESIDES your paranoid delusion. Is Trump making progress anywhere? Is it important? Is he going backwards anywhere? Is THAT important?


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Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:42 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump canceled a meeting with the Taliban at Camp David. The meeting was to have been secret. It was scheduled for the week of the anniversary of 9/11. He canceled it by tweet.

Does this strike you as even remotely rational?

Before that, Trump canceled a state visit to Denmark because Denmark wouldn’t sell Greenland to the US. Hello? Greenland wasn’t for sale. The US no longer buys populated countries. The state visit had been planned for months.

He has repeatedly told senior officials to explore using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes hitting the US. He believes video games cause mass shootings. He thinks climate change is no big deal.

He says trade wars are “good and easy to win”. He insists it’s Chinese rather than US consumers who pay his tariffs. He “orders” American firms to stop doing business in China.

He calls the chairman of the Federal Reserve an “enemy”. He retweets a comedian’s sick suggestion that the Clintons were responsible for the suicide of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

I think we have to face the truth. This is no longer a case of excessive narcissism or grandiosity. We’re not simply dealing with an unusually large ego.

Trump is mentally unstable. And he’s getting worse by the day.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 16, 2019 8:29 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump is compared to the main character in #1 out of "The 100 best films of the 21st century".

#1 -- There Will Be Blood (2007)

Paul Thomas Anderson’s strange masterpiece, freely adapted by him from Upton Sinclair’s 1927 novel Oil!, has a dark title that threatens a calamity now visible on the horizon: destruction of the Earth itself. And it is all inscribed in the story of the movie’s leading character, a man with the Bunyanesque name of Daniel Plainview. Daniel Day-Lewis gives perhaps the greatest, certainly the most exotic performance of his career as an oil prospector in the early 20th century, rewarded with colossal wealth that never gives him the smallest pleasure.

The movie perhaps looks even stranger, starker and more unforgiving now than it did in 2007 when it first came out. But from 2016, there has been a raging Plainview in plain sight in the White House: Trump, the eccentric property billionaire and spoilt baby whose cranky tweets are as crazy as Plainview’s deranged “milkshake” pronouncement. What a spectacle Anderson and Day-Lewis create: a portrait of male belligerence and fear, a Tutankhamun of misery, walled up in his own sarcophagus of wealth and prestige.

www.theguardian.com/film/2019/sep/13/100-best-films-movies-of-the-21st
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 16, 2019 8:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Never heard of that flick.

Never heard of Peter Bradshaw either, for that matter.


Hey everybody... This guy

doesn't like Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 16, 2019 9:06 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Never heard of that flick.

Never heard of Peter Bradshaw either, for that matter.


Hey everybody... This guy doesn't like Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There are many rich and Trump-like characters in Texas. Ross Perot, for one example, who received 19% of the popular vote in 1992. Most of these characters are smarter, better spoken, and have better organizing skills than Trump, and are less than half as crazy. None of them should be President. Neither should Mr. Plainview, from the movie "There Will Be Blood":



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 16, 2019 9:40 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Because despite a REAL TIME counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign (which ran a number of "dangles" on campaigners), and an after-the-fact multi-year "investigation" (which btw used such sleazy and illegal tactics as hiding exculpatory evidence (eg an internal memo which cleared Flynn of "collusion" with Russia) in order to pressure potential witnesses) there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any such "collusion" occurred.

Seriously, if there had been collusion it would have left traces ... electronic communications, at least ONE packet captured by the NSA, real-time humint... but there's nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. Just your paranoia.



That's not true of course. There was evidence, just not enough to successfully prosecute a president. Big difference.

Here's a thought experiment:
If Hillary won the election and stood at a podium next to Putin during a public press conference and said, "I know my people believe Russian hacked the election, but I think they're wrong because Putin told me they were. He was very strong and powerful in doing so." (fwiw I seriously believe Putin even told him to use those words). If Hillary dissed her own country publicly to side with Putin or Xi? Yeah, we'd want to know wtf they had over her. That's not paranoia or delusion, that's basic logic.


Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please? - SIGNY

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Negative interest rates? - List successful uses
None - SIGNY
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War with Iran? - Without Bolton this is unlikely (not that it was ever likely)
I hope you're right - SIGNY

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IF the unlikely were to happen... it won't be because of Israel. It will cost us way too much without any ROI.
And all of our other ME wars? Why did THEY happen? There was no ROI either, and over a trillion dollars were spent - not chump change! - SIGNY
It's called learning, evolving.

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Exploding debt load? - Personal or Gov? Trump?
At all levels- corporate, personal, public, trade. - SIGNY

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I can think of much more important problems:

Tariff war with China
Health Care
Opioid Addiction
Gun legislation
Human trafficking
Alternative Power
Climate



Health care and tariff war - check. - SIGNY

Opioid addiction is a subset of healthcare. - SIGNY

Gun legislation ... ho hum - SIGNY

Human trafficking - a tragedy, but we can stop it without too much trouble. Starting with securing our borders. - SIGNY

Climate- yep. - SIGNY

Guess we're done, then! Great discussion!

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Monday, September 16, 2019 9:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


But Trump is for the next five years. You'll have plenty to bitch about for a long time. That should make you happy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 16, 2019 9:48 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But Trump is for the next five years. You'll have plenty to bitch about for a long time. That should make you happy.



Trump is what? You already know I think he'll "win." The only good thing I can say about him next to the 100 sh*tty things, is that he's not fucked anything up too bad yet. He doesn't do much of anything, really. Talks and tweets mostly. He is good at feeding his desires. He's enriched himself and his fellow rich people. He hates non-whites with a passion, and has worked hard to "clean up" this country. That's it.

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