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Thursday, December 1, 2016 7:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.

This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.



Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.

I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.

Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!

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Friday, December 2, 2016 2:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yep, I remember watching Fox that night of the Rove Freak Out and my bullshit radar was peaked watching him brow beat the poor schlubs at Fox HQ. It doesn't surprise me that the repubs had the fix in.

But what does surprise me is that "someone" was watching and smacked Rove's hand away from the cookie jar. "Uh no, mustn't fix"

I have a question Frem. Do you think that this may have been the case this year with the Donald "winning" the electoral college; this comes from a report I heard on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow show that Congressional Dems from the Intelligence Committee have publicly released a letter to POTUS Obama regarding classified information about the Russian hack. They want him to declassify and release the info to the public.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.

This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.



Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.

I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.

Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!


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Friday, December 2, 2016 10:18 AM

SIGNYM

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Was there a server crash this year, Frem?



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Friday, December 2, 2016 11:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA


There were all manner of crashes, skips, and other irregularities, as well as strong evidence of negative vote uploading (aka Hursti Hack), and we now have figured out how the 'Red Shift' is being done.

Here's the data showing that the Red Shift is blatant evidence of manipulation.

Richard Charnin
http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/tag/mathematical-proof-of-election
-fraud
/

Bob Fitrakis
http://freepress.org/columns/display/3/2012/1936

I note that very recently both Richard Charnin and Nate Silver have displayed behavior I can only classify as bizarre, given that Charnin has been harping on this since 1998, and now both of them are twisting and turning trying like hell to explain it all away - in a total 180 from decades of previous activity, which I find mighty suspicious.

As to the exact how of things, this is the short version of the mechanics of how this is done, Bev Harris has a longer and more detailed version but it gets kinda technical, so you can go look for that too if ya like.

Fraction Magic



HOWEVER....
Within this clip is mentioned something called a "Recorded Ballot Image" aka RBI - these machines take a screenshot of the ballot itself as a protection against data loss, corruption, power outage, etc...
AND - those can *NOT* be altered by any currently known hack.

Which means we have an audit trail, and so far the evidence is pretty damning.

Recorded Ballot Images
http://blackboxvoting.org/ballot-images/

The question is, what to DO about it... and I doubt my opinion on the matter is the right course, cause I am all for hauling out the guillotenes.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.

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Friday, December 2, 2016 1:24 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Which means we have an audit trail, and so far the evidence is pretty damning. . . .

The question is, what to DO about it... and I doubt my opinion on the matter is the right course, cause I am all for hauling out the guillotines.

-Frem

As of today, Hillary leads Donald Trump in the popular vote by 2.56 million. In the three key swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin that gave him his victory, Trump's combined lead is less than 80,000 votes. By any measure you can think of, Trump has the narrowest victory of any president in the last century; the smallest mandate; and is by far the least liked.
http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174

To hold onto his lead, attorneys for President-elect Donald Trump have moved to block the vote recount in Pennsylvania, adding to complaints filed to stop similar proceedings in Michigan and Wisconsin.

The filing comes on the heels of the Trump camp's complaint reported earlier Thursday in Michigan dismissing Green Party candidate Jill Stein's claims of impropriety during the 2016 presidential race, and a day after the the Wisconsin Republican Party logged a complaint with the Federal Election Committee arguing that Stein was seeking to benefit Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton.

Trump really does not want any proof he lost. Stopping every recount stops the proof.

www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-pennsylvania-recount-232103?cmpid
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Friday, December 2, 2016 1:25 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

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Friday, December 2, 2016 1:52 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by G:
I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

How about this outrageous suggestion? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have a runoff election. Since Trump's cabinet appointments have shown how he will govern ("personnel is policy") he might not win.

Or this outrageous suggestion? In states where no candidate received a 50% majority (Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, once again) the electoral votes are assigned proportional to the popular vote, rather than 100% to a single candidate.

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Friday, December 2, 2016 2:38 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by G:
I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

How about this outrageous suggestion? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have a runoff election. Since Trump's cabinet appointments have shown how he will govern ("personnel is policy") he might not win.

Or this outrageous suggestion? In states where no candidate received a 50% majority (Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, once again) the electoral votes are assigned proportional to the popular vote, rather than 100% to a single candidate.



Is there any legal precedent for either of those? I doubt anyone would trust another election.

If I had to make a guess I'd say it's going to the courts, whichever ones those would be.

Funny - back when he said he wouldn't accept the outcome if he lost, I had this inkling that it was because he knew he couldn't, that he knew his fix was in.

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Friday, December 2, 2016 4:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA



None too worried about the opposition knowing the why and how, given the intel we have in hand already it's too damn late for them to do anything about it but whine, even if they somehow roadblock the official recounts, the work will go on and this evidence will remain a sword of damocles hanging over the bastards for all time.

Now as I might have mentioned, most people in MI vote a straight ticket, especially Detroit, and this was the first clue something fishy was going on.
http://www.alternet.org/why-trump-fighting-so-hard-stop-recount-michig
an

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On Monday, the Michigan Board of State Canvassers certified that Trump won by 10,704 votes, or a margin of just 0.22 percent of the total vote. But computer scientists and election experts have raised serious concerns about election results in papers filed for the Wisconsin recount. These include the vulnerability of voting machines that can be breached without detection and have a tendency to misread ballot markings. In Michigan, there were 75,335 under-count tallies—votes that machines did not record as selecting anyone for president—nearly double the amount recorded in 2012.

It wasn't just the undercount, which of itself is strong evidence of a Hursti Hack, it was the fact that this happened with STRAIGHT TICKET BALLOTS.
That's a binary decision, one box, or one other box, on the ballot and stick it in, and thus it is, as I said, mechanically impossible for this to happen - either the machine accepts the vote and all party candidates on it, or it rejects it and spits it out, period.

So the ONLY way this could happen with a straight ticket ballot, is if there was manipulation at the central tabulator, and right now we're working on tracking who had access, when they came and left, and comparing that to a timed evolution of the vote (simulated) whereupon we will probably know who it was even if we can't convince partisan state authorities to issue a warrant.

The other way it can happen is on a non straight ticket ballot, and a machine that is badly calibrated and only picks up part of a ballot, but that would also generate all sorts of errors and fault codes on site, thus calling attention to the machine and very likely getting it pulled for service.

Anyhows, straight ticket is like a light switch, it's on or it's off, and when you have those ballots recording votes for all the downballot candidates, but not for president, that's the smoking gun right there.

Oh, and why we have so much evidence not yet available elsewhere, is that we've been laying the groundwork for this since 2012, in preparation for just this sort of eventuality....
And it matters not to the mouse if the trap makes noise AFTER the bar has landed on it's neck, ya ?

-Frem

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Friday, December 2, 2016 8:30 PM

RIVERLOVE


Way to stand up to The Man!






Never give up, never surrender!






You know what you got to do. Fight the good fight!


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Friday, December 2, 2016 10:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Arrogance, complacency and not taking ones opposition seriously are bad mistakes to make... and right now bricks are being shat at every GOP headquarters nationwide.

Trump Campaign and GOP Allies in Full Legal Panic as Recounts Could Create Electoral College Crisis
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-campaign-and-gop-allies-fu
ll-legal-panic-recounts-could-create-electoral-college


selected highlights...
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However, it is the Pennsylvania lawsuit, filed by that state's Republican Party and the Trump campaign, which shows the most hypocrisy. The Greens' recount has faced the roughest going in that state. The Secretary of the Commonwealth, Democrat Pedro Cortes, and other top elected Democrats are not on board. That’s prompted the Greens to file petitions signed by voters representing hundreds of the state’s 9,163 precincts, for a citizen-initiated recount. The Green Party also filed a lawsuit seeking to preserve the right to argue for a state-ordered recount once the results of its smaller effort are known.

Since filing last week, county election offices have been turning in official results and Trump’s lead has been cut by a third from more than 70,000 to 46,435 votes. It is now within 0.2% of triggering an automatic statewide recount.

...

The Greens issued an update on Friday listing the vote count anomalies they are hoping a recount will clarify. In Wisconsin, they noted that two-thirds of the counties are doing hand-counts of paper ballots, which is this only way to check against machine-induced errors. One of those counties, Ottagamie, where observers noticed that an early tabulation counted 1,500 more votes than actual ballots cast, will not be doing a hand count, which is very frustrating to election integrity activists.

...

Their update said “there are a number of statistical irregularities in voting data, which merit heightened scrutiny given the historic level of concern over hacking during this election:

“Wisconsin: Three counties saw large discrepancies in votes between 2012 and 2016, with the margin of victory for Donald Trump in some cases being ten-fold higher than the GOP’s average in the last four presidential elections.

...

“Michigan: More than 75,000 Michiganders cast no vote for president in the 2016 election—almost twice as many 'under-votes' than were cast in the 2012 election (49,840). The high number is a red flag, especially when considering that these 'under-votes' were concentrated in the heavily Democratic precincts of Detroit.”


Annnd so forth and so on, red flags abound, evidence is being collected and that razor thin margin is rapidly shrinking with every precinct re-counted, and so it is almost a given at this point that MI, then WI will flip to blue, and then the fight will go tooth and claw in PA.

Ole Billy Boy Schuette is already gonna face a reckoning for covering Snyders ass over poisoning Flint, and it doesn't look too good for that vulture Snyder either, but trying to block the recount for obvious partisan purposes, from an office that is supposed to be impartial.. is steadily ruining his credibility as state AG, and if he's hoping for anything like gratitude out of the schmucks he's trying to bail out here, he's outta luck.

As to more, erm, mundane methods, wellll... the usual crowd of GOP bullyboys isn't much of a hinderance when we got a bakers dozen of hefty ex marines fully on-side with this, and they got no use for such pettifoggery as "reasonable force".. as one of them so adeptly put it, marines don't DO 'reasonable' - so far nobody has been dumb enough to push that issue with them, and that's in addition to the obligatory pack of bullygirls with more loyalty than good sense.

There's some other factor or faction doing much the same pushing in WI, and definately one in Lancaster PA, although there doesn't seem to be any coordination between them, or even between them and Green or Democratic parties, for all that it seems unlikely so far these seem to be spontaneous developments, local movers and shakers getting pissed off or somesuch.

Anyhows, things are pushing forward, and as more and more evidence of malfeasance builds and the blame-the-russians excuse wears thinner and thinner, soon enough comes the question of what to DO about it.
Best if they don't ask my opinion on that, though.



-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

TYPICAL BULLSHIT

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How about this outrageous suggestion? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have a runoff election. Since Trump's cabinet appointments have shown how he will govern ("personnel is policy") he might not win.

Or this outrageous suggestion?

Yes, it is.

Has anyone even READ FREM'S link?

FREM, have YOU read your link??

I DOUBT IT.

Because, in the very same link that Frem provided (Which went on and on about the 2004 and 2008 elections) when I went looking SPECIFICALLY for the 2016 election discussion, the very first thing I came across was this:

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The 2016 presidential recounts: why not add these six states?

The 2016 Election Model exactly forecast the official recorded electoral vote: 306 – 232. It also forecast the True electoral vote as 351-187 (after undecided voter allocation). Trump would win the True EV if he won six states he narrowly lost: VA NV MN NH ME CO

Which according to the models posted ON FREM'S LINK, is what should have happened: TRUMP SHOULD HAVE WON.

SECOND, if you're going to question the integrity of the vote, then you should question the integrity of ALL close votes, including the ones that Trump lost by a small margin, and not just the ones that Hillary lost. But I have to say, you have NEVER been unbiased or objective, so why not continue the tradition, eh?
to you, SECOND!

Having scanned FREM'S linked 2016 documents, it has a SERIOUS flaw: It uses the Gallup Poll as its baseline. There was a lot of discussion about polling, and the Gallup Poll's methodology was so seriously flawed as to not even be credible this year.


And, BTW, FREM isn't exactly unbiased or objective. His objective was to kill the Republican Party first, and then move on to the Dems.

I got news for you, FREM, you're not about to "kill" the Republican Party. And the problem isn't "Dem" versus "GOP", since both parties are fully corrupted. Hillary is not worth all of your spittle and outrage. She would have turned on you in a heartbeat, but you're just too blind to see it.

The DNC should not have run such a corrupt candidate. Bernie would have won. But because of CORRUPT politics (you should look at Hillary donor list, FREM) the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz specifically went with the money. That was their undoing: their faithlessness to the working people of the USA, NOT the vote and vote-counting shenanigans that go on.

Sure, we need to clean up our voting system, but not home in on JUST the votes "we don't like".



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Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just to drive the point home - and using FREM'S favorite phrase - I'm going to "call BULLSHIT" on FREM.

Here is the "intro" to FREM'S LINK

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The 2016 Democratic primaries have finally awakened the public to Election Fraud. Millions of voters who were unaware or in denial came to realize that our election system was rigged and that the mainstream media is complicit in covering up Election Fraud.

The media and its cadre of exit poll naysayers in the corporate media don’t dare mention the third-rail of American politics – election fraud. The media pundits remain silent on electronic vote rigging. They maintain that the exit polls are inaccurate and call truth-seeking activists conspiracy buffs.

The media is silent on the 2015 Year in Elections report, an independent research project by 2,000 elections experts from Harvard University and the University of Sydney. The report ranked the United States dead last in electoral integrity among established Western democracies in evaluating the integrity of 180 national parliamentary and presidential contests held July 1, 2012 to December 31, 2015 in 139 countries worldwide.

This book focuses largely on exit polls since they are the focus of virtually all naysayer arguments. But cumulative vote share analysis is based on actual vote counts and is a companion method. The two mathematical methods confirm each other and overwhelmingly prove election fraud. The State Department relies on exit polls in elections overseas to check for fraud if the discrepancies exceed 2%. There is no such check in the U.S.

Overwhelming evidence shows that Sanders won the primaries
, despite the 3 million Clinton vote margin repeated endlessly in the media. He won the vast majority of 18-34 year-old voters. His positions on Wall Street corruption, universal health care, eliminating student debt, etc. made him an overwhelming favorite among young voters.



https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/10/07/77-billion-to-one-2016
-election-fraud
/

So, that's Charnin's position: Bernie won the primaries.

But I already knew that.

So what about Hillary?

There are a lot of "scenarios" on Charnin's website, but from my perspective ... as a data analyst and QA person ... I find the woulda-coulda-shoulda scenarios unconvincing. I mean, so far it looks like some guy pointlessly whacking off in Excel. Charnin focuses on what MIGHT happen, as opposed to what DID happen. Data and investigation from 2000 and 2004 was a lot more convincing. I'm going to look at the website in detail, but as far as I can tell it's just a lot of Excel spreadsheets with various projections on it ... something I do quite often ... which are based on a flawed model.





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Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA



1. Well aware Bernie won the primaries, especially since many of the same hacks and manipulations we're discussing here were also used then and much less cleverly.
However, rigging a primary isn't even necessarily illegal and there was not sufficient support to overcome obstacles to addressing the matter at that time.
That is not to say we shouldn't, or that I ain't pissed about it, just that we were unable to freakin DO it in time enough to matter.

2. Apparently you aren't paying attention, one of the problems Charnin notes is that exit poll data is "adjusted" AFTER THE FACT to make it more closely match the results, even if they have to fold, spindle and mutilate - hell, he wrote a book on it, fer cryin out loud.
What you needs be obtaining and comparing is the "raw" numbers, used before the election and crossreffed with more than one system to eliminate as much bias or skew as possible.
Come on, yer a scientist, you should know this better than I do.

3. Yes, I am well aware that Hillary is a damn crook and has nothing to offer but more of the same status quo we're fucking drowning in - hell, I consider her husband better POTUS material, which is saying something given what a sleaze he is... although that's not totally a negative since he's a charming and convincing one, and I still think he'd serve us well as a UN Ambassador, cause if anyone could schmooze that snakepit, well...

4. Do you really think anyone around here is at all unaware I have an agenda, especially when I have been up front about it the whole bloody time ?
Sheeeeit, I pointed out every step of this march to Fascism amongst the GOP long before they took it, warned and bitched about it, and have been dead-bang right on that and much else often enough that maybe you oughta listen sometimes.
And yeah, I do believe that the GOP needs to be smashed to flinders, cause every time we FAIL to do that, we get slimed with worse and worse from that quarter.

And yeah, sure, I mean to burn the Dimbulbcrats too, either by getting behind Sanders and a progressive front and steamrollering them in an internal coup, or by forming an Independant progressive faction to go head on with them and plow them under - the latter would be my preference cause what happened to Howard Dean (who I have NOT forgiven for crawling back to his betrayers) is a good example of what trying to work within that system gets ya, and the primaries another more recent one.

This ain't about Hillary, this is about keeping a lunatic con man who's a cross between PT Barnum and Mussolini from illegitimately seizing the reins of power - and if that means putting up with her awfulness, that's what it freakin means.
And coming in a close second is the integrity of our elections process as a whole, believe me, if I could GET a recount for every goddamn precinct nationwide I'd fekkin DO it, but I gotta work with what we have here.

Oh, and just as an aside, this first past post system is bullshit and it sucks, we really need to push for an IRV system and open the door for actual representation.



-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


FREM, you posted and EXTREMELY one-sided snippet out of Charnin's blog, which appears to be an attempt to seriously mislead the readers here.

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Do you really think anyone around here is at all unaware I have an agenda
yes, many of the new posters
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especially when I have been up front about it the whole bloody time ?
Sheeeeit, I pointed out every step of this march to Fascism amongst the GOP long before they took it, warned and bitched about it, and have been dead-bang right on that and much else often enough that maybe you oughta listen sometimes.
And yeah, I do believe that the GOP needs to be smashed to flinders, cause every time we FAIL to do that, we get slimed with worse and worse from that quarter.

Uh huh.

HOW, pray tell, are you going to "smash" the Republican party? Are you trying to get them to disband? Are you aiming for a Democratic monopoly? Are you trying to grow another party and make the Republican Party a minor third party? What's the plan? What's your endpoint? How do you know you've succeeded?

Unless you have an actual plan with an actual endpoint, you will use "smashing the Republican Party" as a ideological rationalization for all kinds of activities, yanno kind of like the government uses "fighting terrorism" to excuse a lot of IT'S actions.




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Monday, December 5, 2016 12:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Bollocks.
Charnins entire damn blog is a decade of constant harping about this issue, it's only been very recently that he's done this out-of-the-blue sudden 180 and is trying to explain it all away, something I find extremely suspicious.

As to crushing the GOP, remember that once upon a time WWASPS was also seen as an unassailable monolith, and we all know how that turned out, don't we ?
Of course I have plans and contingencies, most of which revolve around bleeding them financially and ruining what little credibility they have left, while removing various barriers to prosecution such as is feasible.
Not an alpha strike, just a million little pinpricks.

The one key factor to the plan though is having something else on hand to prevent a Democrat monopoly cause that has it's own very obvious problems, and we have some real potential for a new progressive movement from those who supported Sanders.

And that's all I got time for, cause I gotta get down the way here to go help with the recount.

-Frem

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Monday, December 5, 2016 1:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Bollocks.

Charnins entire damn blog is a decade of constant harping about this issue, and it swings in BOTH directions. Including his comment that Hillary "won" CA with more votes that Obama ... as in ... How the fuck is that even possible?

It's not that vote fraud isn't a concern, it's just that Charnin seems to be making a point that it's NOT JUST REPUBLICANS who are doing it, and your attempt to bamboozle people otherwise (What, you think someone wouldn't actually read your link?) is pathetic.

Maybe you have a personal stake in Obamacare. God knows you need good coverage. Or maybe you're just partisan. I can understand the one motivation, but the other is incomprehensible: The DNC scraped you and yours off, a long time ago.





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Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Riiight, so why then do almost all of these anomolies overwhelming favor the GOP ?
That's like flipping a coin a hundred times and it comes up heads ninety of em, wouldn't you be a bit suspicious of it ?

As for tampering on behalf of the DNC, ain't like we ain't seen it, NY was pretty damn obvious, as was fudging the caucases, and speakin of laughably unrealistic coin tosses...

Still doesn't overturn the massive advantage of the incestous relationships between the companies that own and produce the voting machines and their seriously fucked up and insecure software, and the GOP - we actually had a lead on that at one time via Michael Connell, who then subsequently had an ever so convenient small plane crash.

And if yer gonna accuse me of being a shill, get it right, imma friggin ANARCHIST - and in the unfortunate position of having to temporarily lay off a vile and destructive status quo in order to make a full court press upon utter madness and oblivion.
Reminds me of an old Naval joke, of sorts...

Captain: "Well, if we can get five minutes on them we can..."
Bosun: "SIR!"
Captain: "Bosun?"
Bosun: "Sir, first, get the five minutes."


And if you don't think there's a very real possibility of mushroom clouds on the horizon, you seriously underestimate how crazy some of these bastards are, ole "Mad Dog" Mattis makes Curtis LeMay and Thomas Power look downright sane in comparison, the guys as rabid as McCarthy was and even less connected to reality - towards the end of his career with CentCom they had to all but literally wall him in with saner folk to keep him from going off the rails.
(I still suspect that the producers of Star Trek: Into Darkness based Admiral Marcus off him)

And that's all I got time for as I gotta get back to providing tech assistance, a lot of the recount volunteers are elderly and not very tech-savvy, which means someone has to walk them through some of this mess, urgh.
And it's every damn bit the bloody disaster I thought it'd be, too.
Quote:

Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month.

Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.


Which is another big red flag, but until we get further into this we won't know which are suspicious, glitches or just piss poor math skills on behalf of poll workers - need more evidence to sort the sheep from the goats on this one.

We do have a guy coming in from Vegas who does the cert stuff for electronic gambling machines and has some familiarity with voting systems too, although less than we'd like, and we'll see about him checking some of these machines out under the watchful eyes and cameras of state officials.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2016 6:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Riiight, so why then do almost all of these anomolies overwhelming favor the GOP
Cites please? I've looked at Charnin's blog and nowhere does he seem to make that contention.

One of the things I can't figure out is how the Democrats think that the votes were swung in favor of the GOP, especially since (I assume) that Democrats were in charge of the city voting districts. As afar as I can tell, many of the hacks require voting machine-by-voting machine, or vote-counting machine-by-vote-counting machine access. In other words, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE to reprogram the machines. If there's a Detroit/ Wayne County hack, wouldn't it be by Dems, not the GOP?





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Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.

This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.



Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.

I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.

Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!


You say "red shift" and i assume you mean a shift to the Right.
Where do you see this?

In the elections I observe I normally see a shift to the Wrong (or Left) about 3-4 hours after the polls have closed, when the Right-leaning wards have already had their vote counted, even though they are hours from the Clerk's Office. This effect occurs after the Wrong-leaning wards, which are only blocks from the Clerk's Office, have determined how many ballots need to be stuffed to compensate for the honest votes, and then submit their 140% voter turnout to confiscate the election victory.

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Friday, December 9, 2016 8:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Right here is one of the many places he mentions it - that's kind of his whole point, that the anomolies overwhelmingly favor one side instead of being evenly distributed is very very suspicious.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/election-fraud-an-intr
oduction-to-exit-poll-probability-analysis
/

And yes, one would think that the Dems would be the ones trying any funny business, but it doesn't work that way in Michigan - elections are in the domain of the Secretary of State, who somehow manages to ALWAYS be a Republican, and usually "wins" by exactly 18181 votes, despite polls going massively in the other direction.
You can imagine this complicates matters, when the very officials in charge of voting integrity are more or less making damn sure it ain't.

Still workin the problem, we've found about half a dozen machines in WI with the anti-tampering seals broken, and have verified that those were broken before election day (which shoulda deadlined the machine!) and that those machines were used.
Also having issues getting the damn RBIs up there, very stubborn officials who either do not understand, or do not care, that they are public records - hell, one county tried to friggin purge them!

Also hittin my desk was an odd bit from GA, apparently DepHomeSec tried to breach the firewall protecting the voter registration base, and so clumsily that it was not only noticed, the GA Secretary of State sent em a sternly worded letter over it - be very interesting to see what the response is.

Here in MI things are kind of stalled cause the GOP prettymuch owns the legal system around here, and is using some badly written legislation to roadblock the recounting of the places that most need it - basically if the poll book doesn't match, which they don't in 60% of Detroit, that means said district cannot be recounted, despite that such flaws are WHY we need recounts in the first damn place.
There's also some low end stuff, like polling places being "accidently" equipped with the wrong kind of pens, so that the optical scan machine would record the votes as blank - lookin into that, oh yes.
And waiting for the expert to finish up the job he's on and get his ass over here to check some of these impounded machines.

-F

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Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!




Give me a moment to compose myself. I think I just had an accident in my shorts.....

Well now... AHEM!



Honestly FREM, I'm just glad that people from both sides are waking up to the fact that Voter Fraud and Election Fraud are a real thing in the first place.



Even Psycological Tactics are being used, from my experience. When I went to my local polling place there was a middle eastern kid of about 20 years old who was voting several people before me.

As if I'm supposed to believe that any kid of 20 years old doesn't understand how a voting machine works, let alone a brown skinned kid who speaks with a heavy accent, he asked out loud for everyone to hear "will it vote all Democrat if I press this button?".

Part of me really wanted to say "Why Bother? My vote is just going to cancel yours out", but I don't want anyone following me home and throwing bricks through my window. It turns out that by only around 10AM this polling place had already seen it's largest turnout EVER, and at least 3 people I talked to hadn't voted in years.




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