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Hillary v Trump Debate #2

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Friday, October 14, 2016 12:23 AM

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TRANSCRIPT: Donald Trump's Speech Responding To Assault Accusations
www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497857068/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-respo
nding-to-assault-accusations


Trump said everyone is out to get him. The Clintons, the press, conniving women, Wall Street, Washington DC, global special interests, corporations, Barack Obama, illegal immigrants—you name it, they're out to destroy our great nation. And Trump.

Here's a taste, but you can watch and read the whole speech at the URL, above:

In 26 days, we are going to win this great, great state and we are going to win the White House.

....For those who control the levers of power in Washington...our campaign represents a true existential threat like they haven't seen before. This is not simply another four-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we the people reclaim control over our government.

....The Clinton machine is at the center of this power structure. We've seen this first hand in the WikiLeaks documents, in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors....Honestly, she should be locked up. Should be locked up.

....This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system....Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe, and morally deformed. They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and your family, they will seek to destroy everything about you, including your reputation. They will lie, lie, lie, and then again they will do worse than that, they will do whatever is necessary. The Clintons are criminals, remember that. They're criminals.

....These people are horrible people. They're horrible, horrible liars. And interestingly, it happens to appear 26 days before our very important election, isn't that amazing?

....I've seen firsthand the corruption and the sickness that has taken over our politics. You've seen it and I've seen it and we're all watching together....I never knew it would be this vile, that it would be this bad, that it would be this vicious. Nevertheless, I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you.

Does Trump think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ returning to the earth to defeat evil and establish His reign of justice and peace? It's hard to tell, but one thing is certain: He's planning a scorched earth campaign for the next 26 days. If he's going down with the ship, he's going to take as many people down with him as he can.

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Friday, October 14, 2016 2:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/russia-us-election/index.html

… mounting evidence (never presented) ... US officials … one US official said … US intelligence officials still investigating (but despite the fact that they’re still investigating they’re nevertheless) … confident that Russia is behind the leaks … The Director of National Intelligence … leveled unambiguous charges against Russia on Friday (without presenting any evidence, I might add) … growing criticism of Russia Wednesday from the Obama administration … and Hillary Clinton's campaign … White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said … Podesta also pointed the finger … Podesta earlier accused Roger Stone … Ongoing questions about Trump's ties to Russia … interspersed with Democratic accusations … "We have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election," Clinton said … Garry Kasparov, a fierce Putin critic, took to Twitter …

A lot of people have accused them. So, I guess that’s all we need to know! Who needs freaking evidence? Right?

Scary times.

The article was an astounding piece, crazily barking and rabidly frothing at the mouth. Making up in volume what it lacks in coherence. Mai got. It’s full-on war-propaganda that’s not even TRYING to hide itself. But I’m betting a lot of people are buying what it says – worriedly, angrily, despondently – but buying it, nevertheless.

Russia is trying to alter the US elections !!!!!

Trump is the Manchurian candidate !!!!!!!!!

Putin is the devil incarnate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



RUUUUUUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN FOR YOUR LIVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Friday, October 14, 2016 6:32 AM

SIGNYM

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Trump said everyone is out to get him. The Clintons, the press, conniving women, Wall Street, Washington DC, global special interests, corporations, Barack Obama, illegal immigrants—you name it, they're out to destroy our great nation.
Trump is correct.

The "open border" international elites and neocons (as exemplified by George Soros) are terrified of a Trump win, and the press has been running a nonstop THUGR-style spew of hatred, fear-mongering, speculation, allegation, and even more fear-mongering.

For example, the time that the media spent on a snippet of tape from 11 years ago compared to the time that the press has spent on ALL of Wikileak's releases on Hillary is 20:1. Imagine that!

Their accusations are like Hillary's accusations, seamlessly blending fact (Trump had a loss), speculation (which could have resulted in him not paying taxes for X years), to allegation (Trump didn't pay taxes for X years) to emotive charge (Trump doesn't support our troops).

See how easy that is? Of course you do because you do it too, and I've certainly been the victim of your trolling often enough to recognize it. YOU don't recognize what you're doing tho, which is the scary part. You think you're reasonable, fair-minded and objective, and that you believe in freedom of speech!

The reality is that Hillary is the moral equivalent of Trump. She's a psychopathic delusional elitist warmonger, and Trump is an elitist narcissistic capitalist. If you're trying to pick "who is the better person" you're choosing from the wrong bin, although I give Trump the slight edge because he doesn't advocate killing millions of people.

There is more than enough dirt to tar Hillary IF the MSM were doing her like they're doing Trump ... but of course, they're not, because the elites really really just want "business as usual" and no interference in their money-making plans ... which btw includes war.




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Friday, October 14, 2016 6:58 AM

SIGNYM

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I sure hope you like war.



You honestly - key word: "Honestly" - think a guy who is as disrespectful of his own daughter is going to be more peaceful? The guy who said, "why can't we use nukes?" The guy who says he will get rid of ISIS in a month - all without knowing anything about the situation and the greater damage he can cause - or civilian lives he would (gladly) sacrifice while cleaning out our bomb arsenal. You've seen his scorched earth debate policy, how he's now claimed that "the shackles are off" which can't be one of the traits you want in someone with their finger on the button.
You can't possibly think that and expect anyone to think you have more than 2 IQ points or even a shred of honesty. OR not think you have an Agenda that makes truth telling secondary.



The answer is "yes". I believe that Trump is less warlike than Hillary, and far less likely than Hillary to start a war.

WHY do I think that? Because the neocons have come out in force against Trump, while Hillary has the full blessing of neocons in the State Department and Pentagon and has been running neocon policy for her entire political career, including in her current campaign.

How Hillary has bamboozled you all into thinking that she's a progressive, a liberal, or even a moderate it beyond me.





Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Friday, October 14, 2016 8:15 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The answer is "yes". I believe that Trump is less warlike than Hillary, and far less likely than Hillary to start a war.

WHY do I think that? Because the neocons have come out in force against Trump, while Hillary has the full blessing of neocons in the State Department and Pentagon and has been running neocon policy for her entire political career, including in her current campaign.

How Hillary has bamboozled you all into thinking that she's a progressive, a liberal, or even a moderate it beyond me.

This is how:

There is a slight difference between Trump’s and Hillary’s Tax Plans. Maybe the third debate will cover that.
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/final-numbers-are-trumps-t
ax-plan-huge-windfall-wealthy



Describing Trump’s Tax Plan, his national policy director, Stephen Miller, employs the key rhetorical strategy known in the industry, technically, as lying:

https://twitter.com/RichardRubinDC/status/785916117315309568
The Clinton Official-led Tax Policy Center has wasted everyone’s time with a fraudulent analysis after admitting they had a software bug that prevented them from scoring the plan’s economic effects. Moreover, the TPC was privately informed they had modeled the wrong plan — not ours — but refused to correct their extremely embarrassing error and model our plan. For instance, our plan has explicit safeguards to keep hedge funds from abusing the business rate — it’s Hillary who plans secret benefits for Wall Street, not us. In other words, this article isn’t even about the Trump plan — but about the gross malfeasance of the deeply-biased Tax Policy Center. The Trump plan is revenue neutral, massively cuts middle-class taxes, and has huge benefits for low and middle-income families. The Clinton plan, as released by WikiLeaks, is “open borders,” Medicare and Social Security cuts, and benefits only for Wall Street.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 14, 2016 9:34 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump is correct.

The "open border" international elites and neocons (as exemplified by George Soros) are terrified of a Trump win, and the press has been running a nonstop THUGR-style spew of hatred, fear-mongering, speculation, allegation, and even more fear-mongering.

For example, the time that the media spent on a snippet of tape from 11 years ago compared to the time that the press has spent on ALL of Wikileak's releases on Hillary is 20:1. Imagine that!

Their accusations are like Hillary's accusations, seamlessly blending fact (Trump had a loss), speculation (which could have resulted in him not paying taxes for X years), to allegation (Trump didn't pay taxes for X years) to emotive charge (Trump doesn't support our troops).

See how easy that is? Of course you do because you do it too, and I've certainly been the victim of your trolling often enough to recognize it. YOU don't recognize what you're doing tho, which is the scary part. You think you're reasonable, fair-minded and objective, and that you believe in freedom of speech!

The reality is that Hillary is the moral equivalent of Trump. She's a psychopathic delusional elitist warmonger, and Trump is an elitist narcissistic capitalist. If you're trying to pick "who is the better person" you're choosing from the wrong bin, although I give Trump the slight edge because he doesn't advocate killing millions of people.

There is more than enough dirt to tar Hillary IF the MSM were doing her like they're doing Trump ... but of course, they're not, because the elites really really just want "business as usual" and no interference in their money-making plans ... which btw includes war.

Trump threatened, if elected, to put Hillary Clinton in jail.

After appointing a special prosecutor, of course. The niceties must be observed. First, a fair trial, then a proper hanging. The day after the debate at a rally in Pennsylvania, Trump responded to chants of “lock her up,” with “Lock her up is right.” Two days later, he told a rally in Lakeland, Fla., “She has to go to jail.”

What makes Trump’s promise to lock her up all the more alarming is that it’s not an isolated incident. This is not the first time he’s insinuated using the powers of the presidency against political enemies. He has threatened Amazon’s Jeffrey P. Bezos, owner of The Post, for using the newspaper “as a tool for political power against me and other people. ... We can’t let him get away with it.”

Trump has gone after others with equal subtlety. “I hear,” he tweeted, “the Ricketts family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $’s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!” And after National Review editor Rich Lowry made a particularly cutting remark about him on Fox News, Trump tweeted, “He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!”

This election is not just about placing the nuclear codes in Trump’s hands. It’s also about handing him the instruments of civilian coercion, such as the IRS, the FBI, the FCC, the SEC. Think of what he could do to enforce the “fairness” he demands. Imagine giving over the vast power of the modern state to a man who says in advance that he will punish his critics and jail his opponent.

The prize for the winner is temporary accession to limited political power, not the satisfaction of vendettas. Vladimir Putin, Hugo Chavez and a cavalcade of two-bit caudillos lock up their opponents. American leaders don’t.

One doesn’t even talk like this. It takes decades, centuries, to develop ingrained norms of political restraint and self-control. But they can be undone in short order by a demagogue feeding a vengeful populism.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-the-locker-room-talk-its-the-l
ock-her-up-talk/2016/10/13/9dd5fbea-9172-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.168e176bae95


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 14, 2016 10:07 AM

THGRRI


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Trump said everyone is out to get him. The Clintons, the press, conniving women, Wall Street, Washington DC, global special interests, corporations, Barack Obama, illegal immigrants—you name it, they're out to destroy our great nation.
Trump is correct.



There's a sucker born every minute SIG and you're it. He's a loser and he's whining like a baby; poor me. He's weak SIG.

If you want start at the 5 minute mark. It's a kickass speech




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Friday, October 14, 2016 10:51 AM

SIGNYM

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How Hillary has bamboozled you all into thinking that she's a progressive, a liberal, or even a moderate it beyond me.= SIGNY


Well, I got two completely different answers to that:

SECOND
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This is how:
There is a slight difference between Trump’s and Hillary’s Tax Plans. Maybe the third debate will cover that.

Hillary's major donors... JPMChase, Citi, Goldman Sachs, wealth management firms like Mossack Fonseca, rich families like the Pritzkers of Chicago ...

... say, do you suppose it's her tax plan which had her reassuring them that there is a difference between her public and private positions? You don't suppose that she might actually be ... gasp! ... FIBBING about what she intends to do, don't you?

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what happens in the debates. Hillary will tell you whatever it is she thinks you need to hear so that you can justify to yourself why you should vote for her. Her promises and so-called plans are meaningless. Pay attention to who is backing her, and what she does, not what she promises.


G
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Perhaps because no one here thinks that? Perhaps because you're just making sh*t up again? If war is so good for making money as you say, then according to you, wouldn't Mr. Capitalist be all over that?
Well, SECOND seems to think so! I'll bet SGG and REAVERFAN think so too! Maybe this is something you should discuss amongst yourselves.

War is good for the military-industrial-security services complex for making money. Academi/ Xi. Northrop Grumman. The NSA. Also good for people who are positioned for international currency speculation and international loans, like large banks and George Soros. "The best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets" - Baron Rothschild

Not so much for hotels and gambling casinos.

Just like "workers" aren't identical, neither are capitalists, and there is an important demarcation between international capital and national capital, and another one between peace and war businesses.

But I AM curious, G, if Clinton is not a liberal, why would you even consider voting for her?



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Friday, October 14, 2016 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what happens in the debates.

And then it will be time for yet another Republican "autopsy" about what went wrong. The answer, of course, will be both familiar and obvious: as Sen. Lindsey Graham put it four years ago, "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2012/08/29/b9023a52-f1ec-11e1-892d-bc9
2fee603a7_story.html


Donald Trump put Graham's theory to a destruction test this year, and it turned out to be absolutely right. The hard part for the GOP is figuring out what to do about it. How do they attract more non-white votes without actually embracing any of the usual policy positions that would attract them?

It's a really hard question. In the meantime, there's one thing that Republicans still agree on: they hate Hillary Clinton, and from Day 1 they will be united in an effort to oppose everything she does. There will be no Obamacare fixes, no infrastructure bank, no debt ceiling hikes, and no maternity leave plans. They might be having second thoughts about their angry-white-guy strategy, but they still haven't figured out that pure obstruction isn't much of a winner either.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 14, 2016 1:59 PM

THGRRI


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But I AM curious, G, if Clinton is not a liberal, why would you even consider voting for her?




Why would I vote for her if she were a Liberal? Zero logic.
I would rather vote for a dead person than a Republican at this point in time + Trump is one of the most repugnant humans on the planet, so the choice is easy.



Long before I got here it must have been obvious 1kiki and SIG were morally bankrupt. Yet since Putin’s excursions into Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, it has been as clear as black ink on white paper. It has also become just as obvious they troll on behalf of Russia.

It is clear they hold no concerns about destroying this country as they promote overtly and covertly, someone who displays all the attitudes of an unstable dictator. Trump asked the Russian's to hack Americans. He has bragged about sexually assaulting women and threatened to jail his democrat opponent if she wins. He has threatened many of our other democratic intuitions, our free and independent media and the FBI with reprisals.

This is America not Russia. These things won’t stand. And when it comes to our freedoms, we are not inclined to stupidly give them up. What’s happening now is the result of the many who feel disenfranchised. Both Democrat and Republican. That, and the Republican Party’s whipping into a frenzy the extremist elements within their party for the past decade. They are out of control.

Clinton will win and hopefully the republicans and democrats will take heed of what transpired in the 2016 election. They should work together too exercise the demons they have created and replace them with civility. What is fore sure is that 1kiki and SIG will never get what they want; anarchy in America. A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority


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Friday, October 14, 2016 3:35 PM

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Donald Trump likes to repeat that he is a winner. It’s his claim to fame, his main virtue, and his qualification to be president of the United States. With his campaign in shambles, he will do anything to avoid going down as the unthinkable: a loser, a description that he happily slaps on his critics and political opponents.

If he can’t be a winner, he will be a martyr, whose demise was orchestrated by a globalist liberal conspiracy with Hillary Clinton at its helm.

On Thursday, Oct. 13, he told voters in Florida that he didn’t know that the presidential campaign would be so “vile” and so “vicious.” He said his life was “so simple” and “beautiful,” before he decided to run for president, and that he “didn’t need this,” implying the campaign process. But, he assured his supporters in Palm Beach, he is taking it all on him: “I take all these slings and arrows gladly for you.”

Of course, if you’re going to call yourself a 21st-century American Saint Sebastian—the Roman empire officer who was condemned to death by arrows when discovered to be Christian—you’re going to have to set the stakes. According to Trump, they are high: it’s the end of civilization as we know it. “I take them for our movement, so that we can have our country back. Our great civilization here in America and across the civilized world has come upon a moment of reckoning,” Trump added.

“This is not simply another four-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization,” he said.

So who is behind the impending apocalypse, trying to bring down Donald Trump, the savior? “This election will determine whether we are a free nation, or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system,” he said, cushioning his potential loss as the fault of powerful systemic forces turned against him.

Trump reportedly has a very clear picture about who is part of this “small handful of global special interests.” The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s campaign is planning to blame the candidate’s troubles on Mexican mogul Carlos Slim, who has a large stake in The New York Times, which published accounts of two women accusing Trump of groping and uninvited kissing. According to the Journal’s campaign source, attacking Slim would be a multi-pronged slam against the “‘failing’ New York Times, which he says had to be ‘rescued’ by a ‘foreigner.'”

http://qz.com/809812/2016-election-donald-trump-could-never-be-a-loser
-so-hes-making-himself-a-martyr-instead
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Friday, October 14, 2016 5:35 PM

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Long before I got here it must have been obvious 1kiki and SIG were morally bankrupt.


No, actually sig has undergone a pretty serious personality change. I know why - her old way of getting attention quit working. She needed a new spiel.

I wouldn't be surprised if she actually doesn't give a shit about Trump or Russia, but has invented the Russian Troll personality just to keep herself in the center of every thread. She is quite good at manipulation and, apparently, starved for attention.

Those are things that have not changed about her.




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Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM

THGRRI


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Long before I got here it must have been obvious 1kiki and SIG were morally bankrupt.


No, actually sig has undergone a pretty serious personality change. I know why - her old way of getting attention quit working. She needed a new spiel.

I wouldn't be surprised if she actually doesn't give a shit about Trump or Russia, but has invented the Russian Troll personality just to keep herself in the center of every thread. She is quite good at manipulation and, apparently, starved for attention.

Those are things that have not changed about her.




It is a possibility because a troll is a troll, and SIG is a troll. She's all doom and gloom. And even if what you say is true, what she is doing remains the same. She posts lies and bullshit. It would also mean she is sicker than believed. What about 1kiki?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:27 AM

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Sigs....

You are a Troll

A Troll that predates one of the two Hillary Bush Supporters here today that were nowhere to be found a decade ago.

We welcome you here, friends, but you can't just up and take over this board.

There are plenty of TRUE RIGHT HATERS and TRUE LEFT HATERS here LONG before either of you showed your face around here, and Sigs and I are far from either end of your spectrum.

BIG SHOUT OUT TO KANEMANN, PIRATE NEWS, AND NIKI!!!!!!

Truth be told, they're all Kapital CUNTS...

But that's besides the point.

We already knew that.

Don't be a Cunt.

Engage Me.

You can't do it.

Because Reality has finaly taken over.

Go ahead and make fun of me.

I already said that I'm crazy, I'm worthless and I have a small penis.



Let me repeat that for you.

I am crazy.

I have a small penis.

and I'm worthless.

oh yeah, I'm almost constantly drunk and still make idiots look like bitches.



Please, let me snake my 2 1/2" cock deep inside your ear on camera.


I'ts almost 3" when it's really hard. I know I can now since they're making me so hard.





Go ahead and try to make fun of me, friends. I don't know how you could. I have a 1" cock when I'm rock hard. I regularly bounce on my own thumb up my own asshole because it feels good. I eat poopie and I shit rainbows.



Don't be too hard on Sigs and me, beacause I'm fairly confident when Trump fucks it all up and doesn't do a thing we wanted that we're all the sudden going to be on the "same side".

Just don't take it too personally when sigs and I tell you to go fuck yourselves when that happens :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:09 AM

SIGNYM

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what he himself has already said on tape he has done.
Did you listen to the tape?
Here is the tape.






Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:24 AM

SIGNYM

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Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what happens in the debates. = SIGNY
And then it will be time for yet another Republican "autopsy" about what went wrong. =SECOND

But not from me. Because debates are meaningless. On Hillary's side, they consist of empty promises, well-rehearsed facial expressions, and personal attacks. On Donald's side they consists of off-the-cuff remarks and personal counter-attacks. Each candidate is performing a long-running commercial. Say, do you like commercials? Do you like being emotionally manipulated? Do you think commercials ever tell you anything meaningful about a product?

Just OOC, have debates EVER unearthed anything meaningful? Has a "debate point" ever made it into policy? Trump v Clinton. Clinton v Obama. Bush v Gore ... etc. I don't know the answer to that, but it seems to me that the defining feature of each admin has been unpredicted because of "black swan" events.

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The answer, of course, will be both familiar and obvious: as Sen. Lindsey Graham put it four years ago, "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."
Identity politics. The go-to of liberals everywhere. But only SOME identities are allowed. God forbid that someone speak out in favor of "Americans" because nationality and national interest are verboten in liberal-speak.

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Donald Trump put Graham's theory to a destruction test this year, and it turned out to be absolutely right. The hard part for the GOP is figuring out what to do about it. How do they attract more non-white votes...
MORE identity politics!

What does this have to do with rebuilding America? With wealth inequality? War in the Mideast? The role of banks in creating unsustainable debt? We are closer to war with Russia than the Cuban missile crisis, and Hillary is no JFK. It seems to me that you're focusing on trivia.




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:30 AM

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No, actually sig has undergone a pretty serious personality change. I know why - her old way of getting attention quit working. She needed a new spiel.

I wouldn't be surprised if she actually doesn't give a shit about Trump or Russia, but has invented the Russian Troll personality just to keep herself in the center of every thread. She is quite good at manipulation and, apparently, starved for attention.
Those are things that have not changed about her.

Haters gonna hate, and MAL4 is a hater. And paranoid.
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Long before I got here it must have been obvious 1kiki and SIG were morally bankrupt. Yet since Putin’s excursions into Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, it has been as clear as black ink on white paper. It has also become just as obvious they troll on behalf of Russia... Clinton will win and hopefully the republicans and democrats will take heed of what transpired in the 2016 election. They should work together too exercise the demons they have created and replace them with civility.
THUGR, thumping for "civility"! OMFG. He is the perfect ... and I mean PERFECT... example of "what is wrong with America today". THUGR can't even figure out what civility is ... and haters gonna hate, and THUGR is a hater.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Identity politics. The go-to of liberals everywhere. But only SOME identities are allowed.

It seems to me that you're focusing on trivia.

I "troll" on behalf of American morality and American interests.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE.

I think Signym is a persuader and con artist, as is Trump. The persuasion is not in our best interests. It is for the benefit of the con artist. Signym gets satisfaction from making an argument. From my watching him make speeches, it is the same with Trump, but he will also get rewarded money for his efforts. He doesn't need to persuade a majority to elect him, he needs only enough people to support his next move in business. He surrounded himself with the founder of Breitbart and he has Roger Ailes from FOX News. Trump will probably go into broadcasting.

It will probably be named Trump Network.

The Trump phenomenon is an example of what political philosophers have warned about for centuries: "that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms."

Throughout the campaign, GOP leaders, scientists, the media and even the business community have tried to place Trump outside the bounds of acceptability in American politics. They failed, in no small part because of the significant contingent of GOP voters who hold these institutions in such low regard.

Donald Trump's campaign has taken a "me-against-the-world" turn this week as the candidate, facing a torrent of new sexual assault allegations, lashes out against what he describes as as a global "power structure" determined to keep him out of the White House.

The players in that power structure, according to Trump's vitriolic speech delivered Thursday, include the "corrupt media," "the Washington establishment," corporations, international banks and global special interests.

President Obama, in a speech yesterday, attempted to cast this anti-establishment furor of the Trump campaign as the natural culmination of years of Republican efforts to sow doubt and distrust in the institutions that have long anchored American society: government, the press, business leaders and "experts" of all stripes.

"The problem is that [Republican leaders] have been riding this tiger for a long time. They’ve been feeding their base all kinds of crazy for years, primarily for political expedience," Obama said.

Polling data sheds some useful light on these claims. The General Social Survey, a biennial poll conducted by the National Opinion Research Center, has asked Americans about their confidence in various major institutions, like the press and the government, for more than 40 years now.

Across all 13 institutions the survey asks about, from the scientific community to organized religion, Republican distrust has remained at unprecedented highs during the Obama era.

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:02 AM

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But I AM curious, G, if Clinton is not a liberal, why would you even consider voting for her? - SIGNY

Why would I vote for her if she were a Liberal? Zero logic.
I would rather vote for a dead person than a Republican at this point in time + Trump is one of the most repugnant humans on the planet, so the choice is easy.



OKAY, why do you hate Republicans? Yanno, I've been open about the ISSUES I was voting on- With Obama, it was (1) health insurance, (2)war in the Middle East, (3) righting the economy and (4) Constitutional protections. (And what a disappointment he turned out to be!). With this election, it is (1) war with Russia (i.e. not a good thing just to clarify, since Hillary is "for"), (2) free trade. Climate change, sorry, just gonna have to wait, because one cannot do ANYTHING about climate change if your trade prices are set outside the USA by trade private tribunals.

So, what is (are) YOUR issue(s)? Gay rights? Immigration?

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If you think Trump - as president of the US - wouldn't be able to find a way to profit from WAR (or at least try to), then you are seriously not paying attention or just pretending to be stupid to avoid being honest.
No, I don;t think he can. Each area of speculation has a "heartbeat". Some people are just more attuned to one heartbeat versus another. Soros, for example, says he just gets a stomach pain when something isn't right. Just OOC have you ever tried to speculate outside of your nationality (whatever that is)? Tried buying ringit, or New Zealand bonds? Ever tried trading a currency swap? For us little people, it is out of the question. But even if you could find the sellers and buyers, it is unbelievably complex. I wanted to trade on several foreign currencies - just straight purchase and sale- but the leveraged forex markets are the only ones available to us, and when the leverage goes sideways ... even for a currency-pair outside of your interest .... the platform can lose all of its money, even yours.

Fortunately (for me) the leverage went sideway BEFORE I purchased anything, but when I saw what kind of pit opened up in front of me, I was glad I wasn't there.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:13 AM

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I think Signym is a persuader and con artist, as is Trump. The persuasion is not in our best interests. It is for the benefit of the con artist. Signym gets satisfaction from making an argument.
Yep, ya got me: I like making "arguments". Not heated debates, but "argument" in the sense of mathematical constructs: What about "this" logic? What happens when we take it to its extreme? What are its boundaries? Where does it break down? Why?

How did someone get "here"? What are their "assumptions"? Where do those assumptions take us?

It's a learning tool. I like to examine people's assumptions and their logic. It's learning tool because it helps me examine my own.

I always hope for a robust debate, not a heated, emotional one. People just get way too emotional about their ideas. That makes it impossible for them to examine their own ideas, which makes it impossible for them to self-direct. But unless you have some sort of distance from your ideas ... yanno, examine them with a bit of sang froid and change them if necessary ... you will always be "preprogrammed" by someone else. "Change" will be induced by someone else, i.e. not by you.





Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

How did someone get "here"? What are their "assumptions"? Where do those assumptions take us?

It's a learning tool. I like to examine people's assumptions and their logic. It's learning tool because it helps me examine my own.

I always hope for a robust debate, not a heated, emotional one. People just get way too emotional about their ideas. That makes it impossible for them to examine their own ideas, which makes it impossible to self-direct. But unless you have some sort of distance from your ideas ... yanno, examine them with a bit of sang froid and change them if necessary ... you will always be "preprogrammed" by someone else.

I see this as a simple contest between Democrats and Republicans. I pick Democrats because I know the policies they are selling and I know what real-life GOP voters in Texas want from their GOP, too. By the way, what Republicans say about Democratic policy in NOT even close to what I know the policy is. Does "Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE" sound familiar to you?

When I read that in Signym's sign-off, it reminds me that the GOP controlled Congress spends about a half trillion dollars a year too much on defense, the CIA, the NSA, the top-brass military retirement benefits, the H-bomb modernization program, the whole shebang. Obviously there will be war because Congress couldn't justify the annual expense if they were not always pushing the President to go to war. Congress will be pushing Hillary, as they did Obama and Bush, to do something, anything, just so long as it is military.

It is apparent to me that the average voter is content with a half trillion dollars too high military expenditure. Got to support the troops, you know.

www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison


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Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:20 AM

SIGNYM

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How did someone get "here"? What are their "assumptions"? Where do those assumptions take us? It's a learning tool. I like to examine people's assumptions and their logic. It's learning tool because it helps me examine my own.
I always hope for a robust debate, not a heated, emotional one. People just get way too emotional about their ideas. That makes it impossible for them to examine their own ideas, which makes it impossible to self-direct. But unless you have some sort of distance from your ideas ... yanno, examine them with a bit of sang froid and change them if necessary ... you will always be "preprogrammed" by someone else.= SIGNYM

I see this as a simple contest between Democrats and Republicans. I pick Democrats because I know the policies they are selling

Okay, let's go a little deeper on this. I known the policies they are "selling" too. So, how much have they accomplished? When I voted for Obama (yes, I did) I had a few goals in mind: Heal the economy. Make affordable healthcare available for our daughter, who has a pre-existing health condition. Stop meddling in the Mideast. Restore our Constitutional protections. So, do Dem party leaders believe in "truth in advertising"?

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and I know what real-life GOP voters in Texas want from their GOP, too. By the way, what Republicans say about Democratic policy in NOT even close to what I know the policy is. Does "Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE" sound familiar to you?

When I read that in Signym's sign-off, it reminds me that the GOP controlled Congress spends about a half trillion dollars a year too much on defense, the CIA, the NSA, the top-brass military retirement benefits, the H-bomb modernization program, the whole shebang. Obviously there will be war because Congress couldn't justify the annual expense if they were not always pushing the President to go to war. Congress will be pushing Hillary, as they did Obama and Bush, to do something, anything, just so long as it is military.

But "Congress" isn't "Trump". I noticed that altho the "Trump tape" had come out, it wasn't until Trump said in the debate that he DISAGREED with his running mate about who the real enemy is that Paul Ryan became "neutral" about Trump. Congressional, career, and think-thank neocons of both parties are against Trump. What does that tell you, if anything?

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It is apparent to me that the average voter is content with a half trillion dollars too high military expenditure. Got to support the troops, you know.
The average voter may be bamboozled- are you the average voter? Why do you even refer to them to explain your vote? I don't get your point. Your vote is YOUR vote, right?

Still, I wonder- What are you FOR? I hear that you are for Democrats and their advertising policies and platform. But which issues are meaningful to you?

You've mentioned taxes more than once. Is that of specific concern?




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Saturday, October 15, 2016 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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How did someone get "here"? What are their "assumptions"? Where do those assumptions take us? It's a learning tool. I like to examine people's assumptions and their logic. It's learning tool because it helps me examine my own.
I always hope for a robust debate, not a heated, emotional one. People just get way too emotional about their ideas. That makes it impossible for them to examine their own ideas, which makes it impossible to self-direct. But unless you have some sort of distance from your ideas ... yanno, examine them with a bit of sang froid and change them if necessary ... you will always be "preprogrammed" by someone else.= SIGNYM

I see this as a simple contest between Democrats and Republicans. I pick Democrats because I know the policies they are selling

Okay, let's go a little deeper on this. I known the policies they are "selling" too. So, how much have they accomplished? When I voted for Obama (yes, I did) I had a few goals in mind: Heal the economy. Make affordable healthcare available for our daughter, who has a pre-existing health condition. Stop meddling in the Mideast. Restore our Constitutional protections. So, do Dem party leaders believe in "truth in advertising"?

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and I know what real-life GOP voters in Texas want from their GOP, too. By the way, what Republicans say about Democratic policy in NOT even close to what I know the policy is. Does "Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE" sound familiar to you?

When I read that in Signym's sign-off, it reminds me that the GOP controlled Congress spends about a half trillion dollars a year too much on defense, the CIA, the NSA, the top-brass military retirement benefits, the H-bomb modernization program, the whole shebang. Obviously there will be war because Congress couldn't justify the annual expense if they were not always pushing the President to go to war. Congress will be pushing Hillary, as they did Obama and Bush, to do something, anything, just so long as it is military.

But "Congress" isn't "Trump". I noticed that altho the "Trump tape" had come out, it wasn't until Trump said in the debate that he DISAGREED with his running mate about who the real enemy is that Paul Ryan became "neutral" about Trump. Congressional, career, and think-thank neocons of both parties are against Trump. What does that tell you, if anything?

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It is apparent to me that the average voter is content with a half trillion dollars too high military expenditure. Got to support the troops, you know.
The average voter may be bamboozled- are you the average voter? Why do you even refer to them to explain your vote? I don't get your point. Your vote is YOUR vote, right?

Still, I wonder- What are you FOR? I hear that you are for Democrats and their advertising. But which issues are meaningful to you?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?



No SIG I agree with mal4prez about you just trolling for attention. I say this because you lose debate after debate because of the ridiculous things you say, and the things you take a stand on.

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:27 PM

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Haters gonna hate
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Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:57 AM

SIGNYM

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1) a variety of reasons.
2) 8 obstructionist years
3) party of Hate
4) Dems are far less war mongerish than Republicans.



So, those are reasons for voting the way you vote. Here are my questions and comments

1) "A variety of reasons" .... such as? Let's say I want to vote for Trump for "a variety of reasons". That's an inadequate description, right?

2) No, only 6 years of obstruction. From 2008 to 2011 Dems had majority in Congress; America was in the depths of a financial and economic collapse, and Obama had a popular mandate from the public. He could have done anything: Single payer healthcare/public options had a huge public approval (but, yanno, the elites didn't like it) and reining in the banks would have met with a roar of approval (but yanno, ditto). I find it unpersuasive. What do you think Obama was blocked from doing?

3) That's pretty generic. What do you mean by that? What evidence do you have to show for that?

4) "Dems less war-mongerish than repubs". In what way? What evidence?



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Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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1) I know the policies they are selling and I know what real-life GOP voters in Texas want from their GOP, too.
2) "Hillary is [NOT] a WAR CANDIDATE"
3) a half trillion dollars a year too much on defense, the CIA, the NSA, the top-brass military retirement benefits, the H-bomb modernization program, the whole shebang.



Same thoughts:
1) What policies are they [Dems] selling, specifically, versus GOP policies sold in Texas? Which ones do you approve, and why?

2) Do you think policies sold = policies implemented?

3) Evidence, please. And why is that important to you?

4) Too much spending on "defense"... would you use the savings to reduce the deficit, or to fill out the coffers of social spending? If social spending, which programs would you enhance?




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Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:09 PM

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“Saturday Night Live” skewers the most absurd moments of Trump and Clinton’s second debate -- Published on Oct 16, 2016

Donald Trump (Alec Baldwin) and Hillary Clinton (Kate McKinnon) take questions from undecided voters (Leslie Jones, Beck Bennett, Michael Che, Bobby Moynihan, Kyle Mooney) in the second presidential debate.



Donald Trump says Saturday Night Live spoof 'stinks'
www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37673337/donald-trump-says-saturday-nig
ht-live-spoof-stinks


Donald Trump says a spoof sketch about him on long-running US TV show Saturday Night Live is a "hit job".

Alec Baldwin has been playing the US presidential nominee for the past few weeks, alongside Kate McKinnon as Hillary Clinton.

In a tweet, Mr Trump said that Baldwin's portrayal "stinks" and furthered his claims that the media was rigging the election.

Donald Trump co-hosted the show himself in 2015.

In this week's sketch, Baldwin and McKinnon offered their take on the most recent head-to-head debate between the two candidates.

At one point, Baldwin's Trump moves around the set with the Jaws theme playing in the background.

That appears to reference Hillary Clinton's accusation that he was "stalking" her.

It's not just Donald Trump who is spoofed.

Jokes are made about both candidates.

Early on in the sketch, Kate McKinnon gets Hillary to perform an awkward "half-lean" pose, as if she were trying - and failing - to do it completely naturally.

Donald Trump said: "Watched Saturday Night Live hit job on me. Time to retire the boring and unfunny show. Alec Baldwin portrayal stinks. Media rigging election!"

“Saturday Night Live” skewers the most absurd moments of Trump and Clinton’s second debate
http://qz.com/810542/saturday-night-live-skewers-the-most-absurd-momen
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Written by Heather Landy, October 16, 2016

It’s hard to satirize a US presidential campaign that already has taken such a sharp turn into the absurd, but Saturday Night Live keeps trying.

On Oct. 15, the NBC comedy show’s cold open once again featured cast regular Kate McKinnon’s masterful impersonation of Hillary Clinton, and Alec Baldwin’s almost-too-on-the-nose Donald Trump. The setting: the second presidential debate, the one where the two candidates seemed to keep circling one another, and where undecided voter Ken Bone made the internet temporarily lose its collective mind.

There were a handful of funny moments in the sketch—namely Trump’s insistence that the women who’ve accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault “need to be heard” while the women who’ve accused him of sexual assault “need to shut the hell up,” and Clinton’s perfect unflappability at learning Trump had brought her husband’s accusers to the debate (“I’m made of steel. This is nothing. Hi, girls!”).

But the line of the night went to cast member Vanessa Bayer, who turned up later in the program in the character of Laura Parsons, a precocious child star invited to offer a kid’s perspective on the news during the show’s “Weekend Update” segment. Among her observations of the fallout from a leaked video of Donald Trump and a host of Access Hollywood: “Billy Bush said bad things, and my mom says he might get $10 million … from this network!”

There also was a music video parody of Beyonce’s “Sorry,” featuring five of the women in Trump’s life—and their warning to Trump that without them, “you’d just be that guy with the weird hair.” Episode host Emily Blunt stood in as Ivanka Trump, and regular SNL cast members filled the roles of Melania and Tiffany Trump, Apprentice star Omarosa, and Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway.

It was a solid effort by all, but as with most of the attempts to satirize the final stretch of the race, it mainly served as a reminder that lately, this race essentially has been satirizing itself.

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:42 PM

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SECOND- do you always let others do your speaking for you? I asked you for YOUR opinion, for YOUR reasons, for YOUR logic, not the comedy-writing team of SNL!



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Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:57 PM

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1) "A variety of reasons" .... such as? Let's say I want to vote for Trump for "a variety of reasons". That's an inadequate description, right?= SIGNY

I'd be happy to:
Fewer Human Rights (Includes Gays, Latinos, Blacks, Women. etc.)

What do you consider human rights? And who do you consider "human"?

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Bad for our International Standing
I have no idea what you mean by "international standing". GDP per capita? Scores in reading and math? Can you please explain what you mean?

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Against National Health Care
National, or nationalized?

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Pro War Mongering
Seems to apply to the Hillary camp too, so on what grounds do you distinguish?

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General lack of Intelligence as exhibited by many Republicans
What is intelligence to you?

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2) No, only 6 years of obstruction. From 2008 to 2011 Dems had majority in Congress; America was in the depths of a financial and economic collapse, and Obama had a popular mandate from the public. He could have done anything: Single payer healthcare/public options had a huge public approval (but, yanno, the elites didn't like it) and reining in the banks would have met with a roar of approval (but yanno, ditto). I find it unpersuasive. What do you think Obama was blocked from doing?= SIGNY

I disagree. You don't have to have a majority to be Obstructionist. But for the sake of discussion, let's say you are right, 6 years. So I Hate the Republicans for being Obstructionist and hurting our country for 6 years. Aren't you?

It seems to me that Obama did a lot of bad stuff all on his own. Yanno, drone-killing American citizens after a Star Chamber proceeding, droning foreigners, throwing money at the banks hand over fist, destabilzing more nations abroad, snooping on everyone, pushing for even more free trade .... it seems that the Obama administration was pretty much in line with the GOP.

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3) That's pretty generic. What do you mean by that? What evidence do you have to show for that?= SIGNY

Democrats have always been leaders when it comes to programs for those in need. You may hate the needy and think they don't deserve any help, but then you would just be proving my point.

Do you suppose you could be a little less snarky? I'm all for helping people who need help, but I would rather prevent them from NEEDING "help" in the first place. Example: If there was a job for everyone who could work, we wouldn't need welfare. If we stopped interfering internationally, we wouldn't need to "help" so many refugees. Inevitably, there will be people who need help: the young, the old, the sick, the disabled. We should help them.

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4) "Dems less war-mongerish than repubs". In what way? What evidence? = SIGNY

Hmmm, I don't think you're trying very hard. Maybe your posting quota is down? Getting heat from Putin for Trump HQ? Military spending as already posted by Second. Bush v Obama? How many wars have the repubs started in the last 50 years and how many have the Democrats been trying to get us out of?

At the beginning of Obama's terms, there were two failed states in the Mideast and N Africa - Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we can add Sudan, South Sudan, Libya, and Ukraine to the list of failed states, Guatemala to the list of military coups that we supported. and we are closer to war with Russia than we have been since the Cuban Missile Crisis. This is what Obama has presided over.




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Same thoughts:
1) What policies are they [Dems] selling, specifically, versus GOP policies sold in Texas? Which ones do you approve, and why?

2) Do you think policies sold = policies implemented?

3) Evidence, please. And why is that important to you?

4) Too much spending on "defense"... would you use the savings to reduce the deficit, or to fill out the coffers of social spending? If social spending, which programs would you enhance?

I post here for my entertainment, not for your edification, but I will pick one policy that differs between Dems and Reps: Greenhouse gas effect/Global Warming.

The Dem party believes there is global warming from greenhouse gases. Rep party denies it. I'll let Signym look at the evidence and decide which party knows the truth about Global warming.

The Dem party knows (yet is not talking about the cost) that preventing global warming will be very expensive, like on the order of the defense budget for every year going on decades, to stop global warming. Rep party says that switching back to coal from natural gas is the natural and simple solution to every problem in industrial America. One or the other party does not know what they are talking about.

I can see why Dem voters (the voters aren't same as the National party) would be strongly inclined to believe much the same as Republicans: that global warming is an over-hyped problem. That is why the Dem party can't push very hard to reduce greenhouse gases. Push hard to solve that problem and Dem voters will abandon the Dem party and vote for a Trump-like candidate in 2020 because those Dem voters don't want to pay the full cost of controlling global warming. Of course, Rep voters don't want to pay anything, no matter how little.

Same applies to every problem in the USA. If the Dem party makes a strong effort to solve a problem, a few percent of the Dem voters will abandon the party because it costs money to solve problems. For example, if the Dem party pushes too hard to reduce poverty, Dem voters will vote for the next Trump because the Rep party says that their tax dollars are being wasted on the poor.

Once hearing that, some small percent of Dem voters will provide the margin necessary to elect the next Trump-like candidate in 2020. At this moment, Hillary is expected to get 48.8% and Trump 43.7% of the popular vote. If only 3% switched to Trump, he becomes the next President.

The 2020 election won't be any different. Whenever the Dem party tries too hard to solve a problem, that 3% of the popular vote abandons the Dem party and the Rep party takes control with promises that all problems can be fixed for very low cost. Sometimes for free! See the Trump campaign for solutions that are free!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:42 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

G
I'd be happy to:
Fewer Human Rights (Includes Gays, Latinos, Blacks, Women. etc.)



SIG responding, What do you consider human rights? And who do you consider "human"?

Quote:

G

Bad for our International Standing



SIG responding, I have no idea what you mean by "international standing". GDP per capita? Scores in reading and math? Can you please explain what you mean?

Quote:

G

General lack of Intelligence as exhibited by many Republicans



SIG response, What is intelligence to you?




Holly shit G is she stupid.




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Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Holly shit G is she stupid.


DING DING DING DING DING DING DIIIIIING!!!

Sad thing is, she wasn't always. She's trapped herself into it with this current role she's playing.

Holy shit indeed! Signym is arguing that Drumph is a good option for President of the US. I recall Sig of a decade ago well enough to say that, no matter what she posts now, some little part of her dies inside every time she is faced with that reality. The reality of what she's come to, and what reasonable people must think of her.





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Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:10 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


second

Even with hillary as president the 'dem' party will get zero done about global warming, due to a republican congress.

So you have a choice
- hillary as president and zero accomplished on global warming AND the world on the brink of global thermonuclear warfare with Russia
OR
- Trump as president and zero accomplished on global warming BUT the world NOT on the brink of global thermonuclear warfare with Russia.

Which do you choose?






Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 17, 2016 12:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


Holly shit G is she stupid. - THUGR

DING DING DING DING DING DING DIIIIIING!!!- SECOND


Haters gonna hate, that's for sure.

Quote:

What is intelligence to you?
I noticed that your friend G is either having trouble answering the question, or he's busy. So how about that you two smart people help him out, and answer the question?




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 12:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



SECOND, thanks for you reply. I have a LOT ... and I mean a LOT ... of comments to you post. But if I really want to understand what you're saying, and not just do a "brain dump" on some interesting thoughts, my question goes to this ...


Quote:

The Dem party believes there is global warming from greenhouse gases. Rep party denies it. I'll let Signym look at the evidence and decide which party knows the truth about Global warming.


How does one come to "know the truth"? What is the difference between "believing" and "knowing"?



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 10:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

MAL4PREZ said the DING DING thing... - thank you for continuing to provide examples of what "lack of intelligence" means.
Well, what it sounds like to me is that you denigrate Republicans because of "lack of intelligence" .... but then you can't define what that is.

Correct?




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:01 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


Holly shit G is she stupid. - THUGR

DING DING DING DING DING DING DIIIIIING!!!- SECOND


Haters gonna hate, that's for sure.

Quote:

What is intelligence to you?
I noticed that your friend G is either having trouble answering the question, or he's busy. So how about that you two smart people help him out, and answer the question?




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?



The opposite of you SIG. How's that comrade.

Intelligence is when someone reads your posts and understands they consist of lies, deflection, spin and fear mongering designed to emotionally upset others. Yanno SIG, trolling.

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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sure thing SIG. Intelligence to me is the opposite of you. How's that comrade? = THUGR


Well, since you can't even define what you mean by "intelligence", then being opposite of you is a compliment! Thank you!



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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BUMPED so it doesn't get lost

MAL4PREZ said the DING DING thing... - thank you for continuing to provide examples of what "lack of intelligence" means.= G

Well, what it sounds like to me is that you denigrate Republicans because of "lack of intelligence" .... but then you can't define what that is.

Correct?




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BUMPED so it doesn't get lost


SECOND, thanks for you reply. I have a LOT ... and I mean a LOT ... of comments to you post. But if I really want to understand what you're saying, and not just do a "brain dump" on some interesting thoughts, my question goes to this ...

Quote:

The Dem party believes there is global warming from greenhouse gases. Rep party denies it. I'll let Signym look at the evidence and decide which party knows the truth about Global warming.


How does one come to "know the truth"? What is the difference between "believing" and "knowing"?




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Well, what it sounds like to me is that you denigrate Republicans because of "lack of intelligence" .... but then you can't define what that is.
Correct? = SIGNY

Sort of and No. Tell me your definition and I'll let you know if it's correct.= G


HAHAHAHA! That's a good one!

Hey, dood, I'm not the one who used the term, and I DID ask first. So put your thinking cap on! I'm not trying to be harsh, I just want to know what you mean. So I'll just ask questions. I promise!



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 12:45 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BUMPED so it doesn't get lost


How does one come to "know the truth"? What is the difference between "believing" and "knowing"?






Great question SIG. Explain to us what the difference is. Or can't you?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 3:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

How does one come to "know the truth"? What is the difference between "believing" and "knowing"?= SIGNY

Great question SIG. Explain to us what the difference is. Or can't you?- THUGR



I have MY answer. What I want to know is what SECOND thinks. You too, if you care to answer.



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Monday, October 17, 2016 4:29 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

How does one come to "know the truth"? What is the difference between "believing" and "knowing"?= SIGNY

Great question SIG. Explain to us what the difference is. Or can't you?- THUGR



I have MY answer.




Wonderful SIG, share it with us. In the mean time;

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Monday, October 17, 2016 4:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


WikiLeaks says that founder Julian Assange’s internet access has been cut by an unidentified state actor. Few other details were immediately available.

Gosh, who do you suppose that could be? Please don't tell me it's the purveyors of 'freedom' and 'democracy' who go around the globe imposing it at the business end of a gun and the target ground of a bomb!

Hm. wikileaks must be making them nervous.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:50 PM

OONJERAH



THGRRI, pg 2: "No Jack what they know is The Insanity of Alcoholism and alcoholic's.

Alcoholics Anonymous refers to, “the insanity of our disease.” This is a very literal
statement. I can tell you a bit about understanding the active alcoholic but I cannot
make it make sense to you because ..."


Hmmmmm.

  I thought we had a thread in here about Alcoholics
Anonymous & substance abuse in general.

  Many people practice substance abuse, and many die
from it. Many can't/don't recover on their own, but learn
how to do it in a 12 Step program. These programs have
saved many lives. They are about Recovery: emotional
changes, maturity.

  Some folks abstain for long periods, but are on a dry
drunk
. That's no fun and it's risky.

That's not all I have to say about it, but it'll do for now.



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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:18 PM

6STRINGJOKER


All due respect O, but unless you lived it and have some personal wisdom that you absolutely feel the need to impart, I'm not interested.

I'm certainly not at all interested in hearing any garbage that T saw on Dr Oz and passes off as professional advice on the subject.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
All due respect O, but unless you lived it and have some personal wisdom that you absolutely feel the need to impart, I'm not interested.



  What I've said here is based primarily on my own personal
experience. Once I got into recovery, I did quite a bit of reading.

  At this point, I've been sober for decades & twice as
long as my drinking years.

  I'm still a practicing addict tho: to sugar & computer games.



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Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:03 AM

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Well then. Much respect to you. It certainly isn't easy and no, it's not very fun. Then again drinking alone to life threatening excess wasn't either. It's been at least a decade since drinking was fun.

I don't know if A/A is something for me. I'm definitely not looking to find God at this point of my life. I could probably stand to become a bit more social though, since being alone with my own thoughts is kinda what got me into that dark place.

All I know is if I do it again, I die. It's pretty rare now for me to even have the desire to go out and buy some booze, but I just as myself if I'm ready to die and that's been enough up till now to keep me from doing it. Well, that and a lot of coffee and my hobbies and hell... even everybody here in a way.



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