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Hillary's health

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Monday, September 5, 2016 4:14 PM

WHOZIT


http://ntknetwork.com/hillary-clintons-cough-returned

It's only a matter of time until she vomits on stage...and then I will laugh

Hillary --->

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Monday, September 5, 2016 6:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You mean with the millions of dollars of speaker's fees she's accumulated she can't afford good enough health care to take care of some simple allergies?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 5, 2016 6:26 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
You mean with the millions of dollars of speaker's fees she's accumulated she can't afford good enough health care to take care of some simple allergies?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!


Allergies? What is she allergic to, people? It's only a matter of time she'll have to leave the stage.

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Monday, September 5, 2016 6:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


She kept blaming 'allergies' for her intractable, disabling coughing. Whether you believe the explanation or not I leave up to you.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:12 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
She kept blaming 'allergies' for her intractable, disabling coughing. Whether you believe the explanation or not I leave up to you.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!


She's allergic to brain damage, which is what she has

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Oh noes!

IT'S COUGHGAZI!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!

No one has ever had a cough before!

Be afraid!

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:43 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Oh noes!

IT'S COUGHGAZI!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!

No one has ever had a cough before!

Be afraid!



YES! I find her brain damage funny too!

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Never known " allergies " to cause anyone to cough so violently like that. Runny nose, watery eyes... maybe a scratch throat, but such hacking ?

I don't have allergies, so I can't empathize.


Seems to be a year round thing for her though.

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


RF

This has been a repeated problem. Certainly not something you'd THINK would go unaddressed by a person who has the need and the means to fix it.

Now I can't see making a big deal about it. But it does seem excessive to me.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:49 AM

WHOZIT


FOX News is reporting that Hillary has had a "medical episode" at the 9/11 service

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-has-medical
-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html


Quote:

Hillary Clinton had a “medical episode” that required her to leave a 9/11 commemoration ceremony early, a law enforcement source who witnessed the event told Fox News.

The Democratic presidential nominee appeared to faint on her way into her van and had to be helped by her security, the source said. She was “clearly having some type of medical episode.”

Clinton's stumbled off the curb, her "knees buckled" and she lost a shoe as she was helped into a van during her "unexpected early departure," a witness told Fox News.

A separate law enforcement source told Fox News that Clinton left the event because she wasn't feeling well.

Clinton's campaign did not immediately respond to calls seeking comment.

The Clinton campaign would not confirm Clinton’s location to an NBC pool producer. After Clinton left the ceremony, the reporters following her on the campaign trail were prevented from leaving the media area for a period of time.



WHOZIT, I think you should change the title of this thread to something more general, like "Hillary's Health". When you open this thread, in the upper right-hand corner you should see "Your Options" beginning with "New Thread" and, underneath "Edit Thread".

As the originator of the thread, you have the option of editing the title of the thread if you click in "Edit Thread".

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:49 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-has-medical
-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html


Quote:

Hillary Clinton had a “medical episode” that required her to leave a 9/11 commemoration ceremony early, a law enforcement source who witnessed the event told Fox News.

The Democratic presidential nominee appeared to faint on her way into her van and had to be helped by her security, the source said. She was “clearly having some type of medical episode.”

Clinton's stumbled off the curb, her "knees buckled" and she lost a shoe as she was helped into a van during her "unexpected early departure," a witness told Fox News.

A separate law enforcement source told Fox News that Clinton left the event because she wasn't feeling well.

Clinton's campaign did not immediately respond to calls seeking comment.

The Clinton campaign would not confirm Clinton’s location to an NBC pool producer. After Clinton left the ceremony, the reporters following her on the campaign trail were prevented from leaving the media area for a period of time.



WHOZIT, I think you should change the title of this thread to something more general, like "Hillary's Health". When you open this thread, in the upper right-hand corner you should see "Your Options" beginning with "New Thread" and, underneath "Edit Thread".

As the originator of the thread, you have the option of editing the title of the thread if you click in "Edit Thread".

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.



I didn't think I had to start a new threat or have to change the title of this one

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


VIDEO OF HILLARY leaving 9-11 ceremony



Yanno, the one topic that her campaign and the presstitude media stamp down are concerns about Hillary's health. Despite multiple on-scene videos, they claim it's "nothing".

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:45 PM

WHOZIT


Even her former defenders at the NY Times, CNN and MSNBC are all over this. Even TMZ is reporting this along with most of the other entertainment sites. She's having a bad week and it's only Sunday.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:33 PM

WHOZIT


It is now being reporting that Hillary has Pneumonia...or cooties.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well ... Hillary hallucinating on stage during the convention, coughing and being unable to speak for over 3 minutes, and pneumonia - I'd say she had a movement disorder, possibly Parkinson's. She could be unable to swallow normally leading to swallowing saliva down the wrong pipe, leading to extended coughing and speech difficulties; pneumonia due to aspiration is a common complication of Parkinson's and other movement disorders; and hallucinations, particularly visual hallucinations, are a common side effect of l-dopa treatment.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:02 PM

THX


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
VIDEO OF HILLARY leaving 9-11 ceremony






That is disturbing.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What I find disturbing is that she even HAS pneumonia. Debilitated people get pneumonia, not healthy people with the best 24/7 medical care money can buy.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:29 PM

WISHIMAY


Walking pneumonia doesn't have many symptoms, and it's easy for older people to get walking in and out of a/c. And having long speeches in a/c.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


walk·ing pneu·mo·ni·a
noun
noun: walking pneumonia; plural noun: walking pneumonias

a type of pneumonia caused by mycoplasmas, with symptoms similar to but milder than those of bacterial or viral pneumonia. It spreads easily and typically affects school-age children and adults under 40.




Does Hillary fit that description?

I PERSONALLY find the 'pneumonia' story troubling for a few reasons.

The video shows a person on the point of physical collapse. She's not a person steadily weathering some slight infection. How does a person with the best care money can buy end up with such advanced pneumonia? How does a person with the best care money can buy end up so dehydrated she can no longer stand on her own? As an explanation, it doesn't make sense. Her medical team should have been up on either, or both.

So either it's true, in which case Hillary is far more frail than admitted to, and pneumonia and dehydration can so quickly overwhelm her dedicated, expert medical team so that, despite their best efforts, they can't stay ahead of her illnesses.

Or it's a relatively benign cover story for something worse.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:52 PM

THX


Bill probably gave her HIV.

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Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I don't think that's the problem, fwiw. HIV medications are very effective nowadays.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hillary Clinton at the Convention



Hillary freezes



Hillary bobblehead



Hillary endless head-nodding



More endlessly agreeable head-nodding



Hillary "faints" onstage



Hillary "faints" at 9-11 memorial



Now, since I have had the "great fortune" of having one close family member with a rare intractable epilepsy syndrome and one close family member with Parkinson's ... BOTH of whom were treated with dopamine .... from experience it looks to me like Hillary is NOT having "seizures". It appears to be a movement disorder - like Parkinson's- and the side-effects of dopamine treatment. Pneumonia is one of the consequences of Parkinson's.

I've been wondering for the past month or so about Hillary's health.

Clearly, the security detail that works with her knows about ... whatever her problem is... because they are very quick to step in with a pat on the back or an arm under the armpit. The MEDIA has been warned away from the topic, so they must have some sort of inkling as to what's going on too. And I imagine the DNC does, too.

Why would anyone forward such a compromised candidate? The irregular hours and stress seem to be playing havoc with Hillary's health, and all I can figure is that whoever is behind her candidacy is just going to wrap up the nag's legs, inject it with meds, and whip it over the finish line.












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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 2:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Assuming we find out that Hillary is ill ...

... will her backers here get up on their hind legs and finally, FINALLY, protest being herded like dumb animals, by people who have as much concern for them as a wolf does for a flock of sheep? Or will they give up every semblance of thought and rally round poor sainted Hillary, martyr to the DNC cause - whatever that is?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 10:39 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Does Hillary fit that description?


Or it's a relatively benign cover story for something worse.




I'm saying that the a/c-heat thing causes damage that leaves you susceptible. Just ask any EMT. Old people walk out of a/c into heat and boom, down they go. Old lungs get pretty brittle. I'm sure she's had everyone passing their kids at her to bless like a holy roller...

And I'm pretty sure being married to Bill all those years she has half the STD's in the know world...

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:00 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ha! Good One!

What's that idiots name, Gowdy....Howdy....Dumbo, he'll convene a select committee on Coughazi to get to the bottom of why she's still among the living.

Meanwhile the Donald suffers from microscopic pee-pee. Film at 11!

Ha! I kill me!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Oh noes!

IT'S COUGHGAZI!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!

No one has ever had a cough before!

Be afraid!


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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:03 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Finally, we've found an expert in the Brain Damage Department.

Good of you to step forward Zit!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Oh noes!

IT'S COUGHGAZI!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!

No one has ever had a cough before!

Be afraid!



YES! I find her brain damage funny too!


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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:05 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Seriously!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
She kept blaming 'allergies' for her intractable, disabling coughing. Whether you believe the explanation or not I leave up to you.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:09 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Rumors of her death have been greatly exaggerated. I can't see making a big deal about it...........but excessive..........naaaaahhhh!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
RF

This has been a repeated problem. Certainly not something you'd THINK would go unaddressed by a person who has the need and the means to fix it.

Now I can't see making a big deal about it. But it does seem excessive to me.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:13 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, Dr. Kiki........is there a cure?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well ... Hillary hallucinating on stage during the convention, coughing and being unable to speak for over 3 minutes, and pneumonia - I'd say she had a movement disorder, possibly Parkinson's. She could be unable to swallow normally leading to swallowing saliva down the wrong pipe, leading to extended coughing and speech difficulties; pneumonia due to aspiration is a common complication of Parkinson's and other movement disorders; and hallucinations, particularly visual hallucinations, are a common side effect of l-dopa treatment.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:17 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


That's great, "Dog pile on the rabbit, dog pile on the rabbit."


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Assuming we find out that Hillary is ill ...

... will her backers here get up on their hind legs and finally, FINALLY, protest being herded like dumb animals, by people who have as much concern for them as a wolf does for a flock of sheep? Or will they give up every semblance of thought and rally round poor sainted Hillary, martyr to the DNC cause - whatever that is?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:21 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

She kept blaming 'allergies' for her intractable, disabling coughing. Whether you believe the explanation or not I leave up to you.



Actually that did happen to me. A cat got into the trash on my back porch that caused a severe sneezing fit when I went to clean it up, I ended up with pneumonia three times from the lung damage, that only cleared up after the fourth round of anti-biotics.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What's with the dark, dark blue sunglasses, Hillary?


Quote:

I'm saying that the a/c-heat thing causes damage that leaves you susceptible. Just ask any EMT. Old people walk out of a/c into heat and boom, down they go. Old lungs get pretty brittle. I'm sure she's had everyone passing their kids at her to bless like a holy roller...
As a person who avowedly deals with a "non normal" family, you should be pretty attuned to what "normal" looks like and what it doesn't look like.

Hillary's odd behaviors aren't "seizures". OTOH, they aren't "nothing" either.

From my decades-long experiences with close family members who were both in neurological crisis, I've come to realize that if you're looking very closely at something wondering if it's "normal", chances are it isn't.

I also know something about denial, because you want so badly for this latest treatment to be working and for your loved one to be well... or at least not disappearing before your eyes ... it's easy to come up with excuses about how this particular thing and that particular thing are meaningless, temporary, or have alternate explanations.

Having gone through all of that personally, and having done a great deal of research on neurology, my experience tells me that there is much much more going on with Hillary than "pneumonia" and the occasional strange behavior. Hillary has a medical history of stroke in the venous sinus, which does NOT just run under the skull but actually drains deep brain tissue.



It's a little hard not to connect the dots.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 2:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'm saying that the a/c-heat thing causes damage that leaves you susceptible. Just ask any EMT. Old people walk out of a/c into heat and boom, down they go.


So now it's NOT pneumonia? Btw, the temp where she was was 80F. That doesn't strike me as excessively hot.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 3:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Originally posted by 1kiki:
She kept blaming 'allergies' for her intractable, disabling coughing. Whether you believe the explanation or not I leave up to you.


Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Seriously!?
SGG



And THIS is your 'discussion', SGG? Yeah, whatever.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 3:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally posted by 1kiki:
RF
This has been a repeated problem. Certainly not something you'd THINK would go unaddressed by a person who has the need and the means to fix it.
Now I can't see making a big deal about it. But it does seem excessive to me.


Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Rumors of her death have been greatly exaggerated.



Once again, your USUAL strawman. Why is it that you Hillary supporters can't seem to come up with a single honest argument?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!


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Monday, September 12, 2016 3:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well ... Hillary hallucinating on stage during the convention, coughing and being unable to speak for over 3 minutes, and pneumonia - I'd say she had a movement disorder, possibly Parkinson's. She could be unable to swallow normally leading to swallowing saliva down the wrong pipe, leading to extended coughing and speech difficulties; pneumonia due to aspiration is a common complication of Parkinson's and other movement disorders; and hallucinations, particularly visual hallucinations, are a common side effect of l-dopa treatment.


]Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, Dr. Kiki........is there a cure?
SGG



Once again, your USUAL ad hominem. Why is it that you Hillary supporters can't seem to come up with a single honest argument?





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!


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Monday, September 12, 2016 3:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally posted by 1kiki:
Assuming we find out that Hillary is ill ...
... will her backers here get up on their hind legs and finally, FINALLY, protest being herded like dumb animals, by people who have as much concern for them as a wolf does for a flock of sheep? Or will they give up every semblance of thought and rally round poor sainted Hillary, martyr to the DNC cause - whatever that is?


]Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That's great, "Dog pile on the rabbit, dog pile on the rabbit."
SGG



Once again, your USUAL ad hominem. Why is it that you Hillary supporters can't seem to come up with a single honest argument?





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!


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Monday, September 12, 2016 3:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, SGG

In four posts to me you had one off-topic non-response, once strawman and two ad hominems - and contributed, literally, NOTHING of value to the discussion. For the record.

I don't know what you think you're accomplishing with your posts. But they're just as valueless as the ones above. There's a reason why I usually just scroll past them.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 4:08 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

So now it's NOT pneumonia? Btw, the temp where she was was 80F. That doesn't strike me as excessively hot.




"Pneumonia is usually caused by infection with viruses or bacteria and less commonly by other microorganisms, certain medications and conditions such as autoimmune diseases"

I think you think pneumonia is like a cold. Pneumonia is just a term for any lung infection or inflammation. Most of us inhale lots of bad juju on any given day, and if you cough or sneeze a lot or even have dry lungs and a weak immune system from the pace she has kept up all the hot summer, it's easy for it to turn into an infection. It certainly can affect neurological function, there were days I was totally non-functioning meself...
DO I think she has a neurological condition? It's certainly possible at her age, but it's also highly likely for Trump to have a heart attack at his size. Most of us have a couple conditions in us that could surface at any time.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 4:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hillary could lay all this to rest by submitting to a physical by three unaffiliated, impartial doctors and releasing the results.

Do you think she will? I don't.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I think you think pneumonia is like a cold.


I was responding specifically to your post where you claimed it was walking pneumonia. Walking pneumonia doesn't have many symptoms, and it's easy for older people to get walking in and out of a/c. And having long speeches in a/c. And I quoted the definition of walking pneumonia, and pointed out the it didn't fit the picture of walking pneumonia. It was neither milder than other kinds of bacterial pneumonias (Mycoplasma is a peculiar type of bacteria) or viral pneumonias, (or even chemical or fungal pneumonia, or aspiration pneumonia); in addition Hillary didn't fit the susceptible profile.

So, no I don't think pneumonia is like a cold. I was responding to your post re walking pneumonia and you failed to read my post in the context of walking pneumonia.

Pneumonia is just a term for any lung infection or inflammation. Really? I didn't know that!

and if you cough or sneeze a lot it has nothing to do with your susceptibility to GETTING pneumonia.

or even have dry lungs and a weak immune system from the pace , which means, she's debilitated - which is what I said.

DO I think she has a neurological condition? It's certainly possible at her age ... , but if she has an existing neurological condition, it means that all the statements made about her being fit and healthy are false.

In any case, if she's frequently - as in, every few weeks - experiencing abnormal health, she's neither fit nor healthy.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 5:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Hillary could lay all this to rest by submitting to a physical by three unaffiliated, impartial doctors and releasing the results. Do you think she will? I don't.- SIGNY

Do you think Trump would?- G



Supposedly Trump just had a physical and he says he'll release the report when it's completed. Since nobody has caught Trump on camera looking ill or doing strange things - except just being himself- that should be good enough, assuming it happens.

Hillary, OTOH, has been recorded doing a LOT of questionable things.... I didn't even post the video of her hanging onto tables and railings while visiting Biden's old home, or some of the other odd gestures that she's made while speaking. And her campaign has ALREADY lied about her health (covering up her "pneumonia") so she would have to take extra care to demonstrate that whatever information they released was legitimate.



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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 6:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The 9-11 'sode by Hillary is bad. Looking at the video, she's resting on the bollard, which is keeping her upright. As soon as the SUV rolls up, she tries to move forward, but she simply can't move. Her knees lock, then buckle. Her head flops around and her body is damn near limp. She's not " helped " , but carried the few feet to the SUV.

Temp at that time of the morning was high 70's, with a light breeze. Hardly anything near 'sweltering' for the time of year. Unless... you're wearing heavy clothes. Hillary can often be seen in a jacket and pantsuit / Mao like garb, even when others are dressed in more light attire. What's she wearing all that heavy clothing for if she's prone to getting overheated ? I won't speculate.

The sunglasses have already been addressed. She's the only one I see wearing them. Not even her SS detail are wearing shades.

The head bobbing incident w/ the 2 girl reporters... It looks as if their high pitched voices caught Hillary off guard, and it's almost as if she first tried to act surprised, at them both yapping at her in unison, but she lost control of her motor skills , and it just carried on for a bit... The look on the one girl's face is priceless.

The ' nodding ' thing she does, I'm almost inclined to think that's a subconscious thing she's doing to appear positive and reassuring. I bet it's a focus group move she learned, and now has become almost a nervous tick sort of response. Normally, I'd say it's nothing, but in connection to the other issues she's had, now I'm not so sure.

Funny, but this 'health' stuff did get many to forget about the ' basket of deplorables ' comment, or her e-mail woes, for just a bit. Of course, the e-mails where Huma talks about Hillary often being confused, doesn't play well into this latest story line either.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 7:16 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Scott Adams predicted back in April 2016 that Clinton has a 50% chance of making it to November with sufficiently good health to be considered a viable president.
In December 2015, Adams predicted a 75% chance that we learn of an important Clinton health issue before the general election.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150284922631/checking-my-predictions-abou
t-clintons-health
:

I have blogged and tweeted that Hillary Clinton looks unhealthy to me. And I have mentioned on Twitter that one of the skills of a hypnotist is identifying subtle bodily changes. Observation is a huge part of a hypnotist’s skill. You look for micro changes in muscle tone, breathing, posture, and anything else that can tell you whether your technique is working or you need to quickly pivot to a new approach. Think of it as rapid A-B testing on humans. And like any skill, one gets better with practice. I have more than three decades of practice for this specific skill.

What I see in Clinton’s health is an unusual level of variability. Sometimes her eyes bug out, sometimes they are tired and baggy. Sometimes she looks puffy, sometimes not. It would be easy to assume fatigue is the important variable. And that is clearly a big factor. But notice that the other candidates have little variability in their physicality. Trump always looks like Trump. Cruz always looks like Cruz, and so on. Sometimes we think we can detect fatigue in their answers, but visually the other candidates appear about the same every day.

Clinton, on the other hand, looks like an entirely different person every few days. That suggests some greater variability in her health. And that’s probably a tell for medications that are waxing and waning but rarely at the ideal levels. Or perhaps the underlying conditions have normal variability. Or both.

Under normal circumstances it would be deeply irresponsible for a cartoonist to give a medical diagnosis to a stranger he hasn’t met. I trust you to ignore my medical opinions. I do this to build a record of my persuasion-related predictions and to show you the method.

I give Clinton a 50% chance of making it to November with sufficiently good health to be considered a viable president. Judging from her performance on the campaign trail, she is managing her health effectively to get the job done. But I would think most people who run for president end up sacrificing their health in some measure. The big question is how much buffer she has left.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Blah blah blah blah



There I fixed it.

All I was trying to do was give reasons she might have developed pneumonia.
A coughing fit can lead to pneumonia.

Don't care anyway.
We'll never know the truth and everything else is speculation.




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Monday, September 12, 2016 7:40 PM

WHOZIT


You're right Sig, it was time to change the title

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Monday, September 12, 2016 8:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


9 posts on the first day of this post.
Then 41 more in the past day.

Whozit is quite prescient, again.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 9:16 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
9 posts on the first day of this post.
Then 41 more in the past day.

Whozit is quite prescient, again.

If Whozit is "quite prescient" then Scott Adams, famous for being the Dilbert cartoonist and a professional observer of people, must be superlatively prescient because he saw this coming in December of 2015. He wrote an "I told you so" blog yesterday.

Scott Adams predicted back in April 2016 that Clinton has a 50% chance of making it to November with sufficiently good health to be considered a viable president.
In December 2015, Adams predicted a 75% chance that we learn of an important Clinton health issue before the general election.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150284922631/checking-my-predictions-abou
t-clintons-health


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:18 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Preserved for the future, especially "A coughing fit can lead to pneumonia."
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Blah blah blah blah



There I fixed it.

All I was trying to do was give reasons she might have developed pneumonia.
A coughing fit can lead to pneumonia.

Don't care anyway.
We'll never know the truth and everything else is speculation.









Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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