Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread by reaverfan

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
OH, btw, did you know that New York Jews can't for or against anyone in an Israeli election, and specifically not against Netanyahu ?

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-1.647133

All of the Dual Citizenship Israelis in New York can return home to vote. Those Israelis residing in New York and Florida predominantly vote against Netanyahu, and the resident Israelis voting in America via absentee ballot vote almost exclusively for the Democrat Party in America as long as it opposes Netanyahu, which it always does. In the same way the Libtard Jews vote against Netanyahu by voting for Democrats.

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Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:15 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Those Israelis residing in New York and Florida predominantly vote against Netanyahu .."

Cites?

"... resident Israelis voting in America via absentee ballot vote almost exclusively for the Democrat Party in America as long as it opposes Netanyahu, which it always does."

That's funny, because Google links say the relationship between bibi and the democratic party has been quite cozy for years. https://www.google.com/#q=netanyahu+democratic+party+position

And let me point out that once again you provided no evidence (DAMN that word!) for your assertions and posted something demonstrably false.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:59 AM

www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-new-york-brawler-20160
408-story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2016/04/12

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:10 PM

BYTEMITE

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Bush won through fraud in multiple states. And then the Supremes stepping in to decide the winner.

There was some Pirate-News-esque stuff that came out about this when Scalia died. Scalia was the deciding vote in that Supreme court decision to stop the recount. Legally speaking whole recount thing was a state level issue, there shouldn't ever have been involvement on a federal level.

And as it turns out, Scalia was a member of a secret hunting society that has connections to the Bohemian Grove. So does the Bush family, George H.W. Bush is a known member of Bohemian Grove.

So they're both members of the same secret society, and we're going to say there wasn't a conflict of interest when Scalia cast the deciding vote?

Interesting stuff.

Although I too think that Al Gore probably wouldn't have been that different from Bush. Granted, the Bush family and Cheney had that whole grudge against Iraq so maybe that war wouldn't have happened, but I think that 9-11 and all the security theatre stuff would have happened anyway. I think that the 9-11 hijackers slipped through the cracks, and would have no matter what, and I think that there's people in the intelligence community that took advantage of it after the fact to erode human rights in America. I think banks failed because of banking acts that had already been passed.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:15 PM

BYTEMITE

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I should google "Why are there no runoff elections in America?" But I don't care enough. Somebody do it for me and let me know the answer.

Because it reduces the power of the parties. I don't even have to google it, it's just an obvious logical conclusion.

Why join a party if they can't guarantee that you'll be the only candidate they're putting forward, and therefore the only candidate from that party with a chance to win?

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Scalia was the deciding vote in that Supreme court decision to stop the recount.

Having mentioned Scalia, the next Supreme Court justice will be another Scalia unless the next President is a Democrat.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/28/nation/la-na-tt-scalias-slam-2
0130228
Scalia is alleged to be one of the great intellects of conservative jurisprudence, but his comments during oral arguments over a challenge to the 1965 Voting Rights Act displayed all the mental acuity of a third-tier talk radio bozo.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

I think banks failed because of banking acts that had already been passed.

Since Americans are who they are, if they see an opportunity to make money, even if it means, perhaps, crashing the economy, by the holy US dollar they will crash the economy. Americans feel it is their destiny to be wealthy and if they have to smash millions of people’s dreams, too bad for dreams. To stop those crashes means stopping Americans from making all the money they desire. The details about how to stop them are very important. To Bernie, details are unimportant. To Clinton, details are everything.

There is an article about that very subject, contrasting Bernie and Clinton:
www.vox.com/2016/4/13/11415772/clinton-sanders-daily-news
Hillary Clinton does a better job than Bernie Sanders of explaining the details of his bank breakup plan

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:35 PM

BYTEMITE

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Scalia is alleged to be one of the great intellects of conservative jurisprudence, but his comments during oral arguments over a challenge to the 1965 Voting Rights Act displayed all the mental acuity of a third-tier talk radio bozo.

Hah, I know some lawyers who could tear apart a number of his decisions. They were never logically consistent with each other or the constitution, Scalia just tended to go with whatever was the most convenient interpretation for his interests.

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To Bernie, details are unimportant. To Clinton, details are everything.

Based on the entire transcript Sig posted, I wouldn't say they were unimportant to Bernie. I found his comments insightful - yes, more fluff and spin than I'd like, of course, but there were more concepts there than, say, Trump's completely unfounded and baseless campaign platforms that have no chance in hell of being implemented.

But I would agree that Hillary's explanation of her policies do have more substance behind them.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:
I should google "Why are there no runoff elections in America?" But I don't care enough. Somebody do it for me and let me know the answer.

Because it reduces the power of the parties. I don't even have to google it, it's just an obvious logical conclusion.

Why join a party if they can't guarantee that you'll be the only candidate they're putting forward, and therefore the only candidate from that party with a chance to win?

This was dumb when posted, and still dumb when quoted.
There are runoff elections all the time. We have primaries to narrow it down to 1 or 2 prime candidates, and then the general election we can vote for the runoff remainders.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:22 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hillary Clinton does a better job than Bernie Sanders of explaining the details of his bank breakup plan

That's your opinion - which I don't share.

But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?

And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.

Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:05 AM

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:11 AM

Have you read the article? Just curious.

Anyway, I'm kind of lost here. Oh and by the way, your arguments sound extremely similar to those that Bernie has. My guess is that he has really
influenced you and your way of thinking. Let's take the whole idea of Too Big To Fail. I watched an interview, and I read the transcript, where
Bernie says that he's not quite sure who would have the authority to
break up the banks.

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with you on one level.....that Bernie
means what he says. He has every intention of breaking up the banks. Saying it and doing it are parallel roads - which one do you think will actually get the job done? But in order to get on that road, you've got to know how
to read the map, and know where the pot holes are situated. Otherwise.....

Well, that is a way to learn the ropes.

A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has
his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob"
The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new
Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies"
written on the cover.

Susie says, don't hire Bluto over there (she meant Bob) he might know more than I do, but he has no intention of fixing your leak the right way. He just wants to milk you for more cash. Don't worry, I'll fix it and it won't
cost you nearly as much. Now, Susie is a great gal, she bakes a mean apple pie. But she's asked if she knows what to do.

Well, let's see. She opens the book and turns to the Table of Contents and looks up the word "leaks." Bob starts laughing (not too hard, mind you, he doesn't want to offend the lady of the house), he reaches into his left breast pocket, pulls out a business card, hands it to the lady and says...
"Call me when she's done." He hops into his truck and drives off.

What do you think the nice lady will do? Go with her next door neighbor to
the nearest Home Depot!? Saying it and doing it are two different things.

Bernie did not sound too sure of how exactly he would go about breaking up those BIG banks. One question that I have; why hasn't he even tried holding
the banks feet to the fire before this. Tell me, has he supported or introduced any legislation, during his many years in office, to effectively
start the ball rolling in that direction? Or does he only intend to do it
once he's president.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary Clinton does a better job than Bernie Sanders of explaining the details of his bank breakup plan

That's your opinion - which I don't share.

But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?

And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.

Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:34 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

That's your opinion - which I don't share.

But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?

And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.

Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.

I think Bernie will fall into the same obscurity of, say, Howard Dean from Vermont. His hopes and dreams will amount to nothing. The only previous thing Bernie has done of any importance is caucusing with the Democrats to give them a 51–49 majority in the Senate and thus thwarting evil Vice President Dick Cheney, who would have broken any tie votes in favor of the Republicans. Bernie has been bellyaching for 25 years about the rich ruining American, but he has nothing that will ever become law.

Bernie is neither devious enough nor energetic enough to make a difference. And just looking at the old man, I don't think he has the strength to run again for the Senate. Maybe he will fool me and live to be 80 in 2021 and die in office.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:52 AM

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Bernie Sanders, who has made it his business to police other people's transparency practices, has released full tax returns tax returns for... zero years, though he released the summary for a single year, 2014. Only Donald Trump has released less.

Hillary Clinton has released her full tax returns for every year since 2001.

John Kasich released seven years of partial returns. Ted Cruz (who released four years of partial returns) has shown more commitment to transparency than Bernie.
www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/12/bernie-sanders-tax-return-foot-d
ragging

Here is Bernie during CNN’s “State of the Union,” April 3, 2016
If I had been there, I would have yelled at the old fart to stop talking and just give me his goddamn tax returns.

Jake Tapper: “Let’s talk about taxes, specifically about your tax returns. I have to say, I’m kind of surprised that you haven’t gone further on transparency. You released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns. Hillary Clinton has posted on her website the last eight years of her personal returns, all of the returns. Before the New York primary, will you match her? Will you post your full returns for the last eight years?”

Bernie Sanders: “You know who does our tax returns? My wife does our tax returns. We’ve been a little bit busy lately. So we will get out as much information as we can. There ain’t going to be very much exciting in that. I get a salary from the United States Senate, you know, there’s not going to be anything new in it that people haven’t seen for the last many years, but we will get it out as soon as we can.”

Tapper: “But nobody has seen them at all, I guess, is the point, and whether or not there’s anything exciting in them –“

Sanders: “No, that is not true. That is not true. Of course, we have released them in the past. Our financial situation, to the best of my knowledge, has not changed very much, but we will get out all of that information as soon as we can.”

Second: "Is right this second too soon for you, Bernie? The IRS has already seen all your returns, so stop stalling!"
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss
-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/

I realize that Bernie will eventually post something about his taxes, but the point is he has everything about his taxes already completed at this very second and yet he delayed.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Howard Dean was sabotaged by both the "Democratic" party and the media. Are you old enough to remember the 'Dean scream'? - that well-timed media fabrication? How about H Ross Pee'roh and his daughter's wedding?

Maybe not. Maybe you really are too young to have seen the machinations that go into derailing any real threat to the power that sits behind behind the spectacle we see.

Hungry family, waiting for dinner. Gotta go.

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Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:08 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hillary Clinton

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Giddy with the thought of having a man sodomized with a bayonet and turning Libya into a cluster. George Bush couldn't have done better. She's either unbelievably stupid or unbelievably evil, or both.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Friday, April 15, 2016 7:58 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Hungry family, waiting for dinner. Gotta go.

"I'm horrified by all the elderly running for President, including Clinton. And Cruz believes gold should back the US dollar. Just that qualifies him as elderly. And senile." - second

Looking for president in the geriatric crowd
By Garrison Keillor
www.sltrib.com/opinion/3777098-155/keillor-no-dementia-for-president-p
lease

How did we wind up with these old people running for president? In 1960, the first election I voted in, Richard Nixon was 47 and John Kennedy was 43 and now, 56 years later, the candidates are mostly my age. Young people are flocking to Bernie Sanders who, given two terms in office, would be Leader of the Free World until age 83, setting a new record — Ronald Reagan was just shy of 78. Where is that new generation of leadership we keep hearing about at college commencements?

They say the voters long for a leader unlike the previous one and so after Nixon the schemer we elected the Baptist deacon. He turned out to be a detail guy and so was succeeded by a guy who thought in terms of Shining Good vs. Very Very Bad. After W, we elected a man who spoke in whole paragraphs. He was 47 when he took office. So now we’re longing for elder care and the full disclosure of the presidential prostate and colonoscopy analysis?

Speaking as an old guy, let me just say: Blecchhhhh. And let me add to that: Arghhhh. I don’t want a president who is groping for the word that means “no” and rhymes with “mosquito” or who needs to lie down every afternoon.

Tell me I’m an ageist and you’re right — I come by it honestly, I am that age. It’s a cruel age when you go out to dinner with friends and someone says, “Elevator or stairs?” and you shrug and take the stairs though you do feel short of breath and sit down in the restaurant which is clamorous and you can’t hear, which is a blessing, because your friends are telling bald-faced lies about how busy and happy they are, writing bad poetry and walking briskly with no particular place to go.

Meanwhile you gaze at the menu — you can afford the steak or lobster, but your metabolism is such that you order one sea scallop with a spoonful of rice and emulsified celery, with a pitted prune for dessert, lest you wake up at 3 a.m. whinnying in pain, begging to be shot and put out of your misery. And now the conversation is about calcium supplements. Chewable or the other kind. I’m dubious about entrusting someone from this age group with our foreign policy.

Listen to me. Old people run for office because they’re bored, hanging with their peers.

Bernie is tired of the club with Mitch McConnell, 74, Orrin Hatch, 82, John Mc-Cain, 79, Charles Grassley, 82, and is having the time of his life on the hustings, a teen idol at last. Fine.

But check out that 25th Amendment about presidential disability and how, if the boss’s brain turns to tapioca and he crouches behind bushes in the Rose Garden talking to Grover Cleveland, the vice president must conspire with the Cabinet to bounce him out of office. It isn’t exactly clear how this would actually work and the thought of three or four months of wrangling about incapacity is not a pleasant prospect. And two candidates seem incapacitated right now.

I remember Election Day 2008 and the vast crowd waiting in Grant Park in Chicago, and that young couple walking out on the big stage with the two little girls trotting alongside.

I get misty-eyed just thinking about it. All that it said about our country. My heart went out to them, the two young strivers from the South Side who took the high road and somehow knew exactly what to do in every situation. And how to bring up those girls.

The Obamas brought so much juice and style to the White House, and I will miss him in January, a cool president who could write a book and sing in public and show genuine emotion and speak for the nation at crucial times. And be genuinely funny.

As he winds up his presidency, people are thinking more highly of him, except for Republicans, only 11 percent of whom think he’s doing a good job compared to 54 percent who look on Mr. Trump favorably.

This tells you everything you need to know about the Republican Party. It has fought unceasingly on behalf of ignorance and superstition and Trump is its reward. It’s not easy to get people excited about fiscal sobriety, whereas two men arguing about their respective penises is something we can all respond to. Have mercy.

Good luck to the candidates and may the best woman win.

She’s 68, but women age more gracefully. Just ask your mother.

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Friday, April 15, 2016 9:03 AM

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Bernie Sanders has a very clear theory of what is wrong with Hillary Clinton: She is less left-wing than he is. She is less of a conviction politician, less politically daring, less consistent in her record, and more beholden to interests that benefit from the status quo. Agree or not, that's what he's saying. You don't need to agree with it or intend to vote for him to understand it and be able to repeat it coherently.

Clinton, by contrast, is all over the map. She can't quite decide what she wants to say about Bernie Sanders. . . she has an enormous lead at this point anyway, and the aversion to stark choices that makes it hard for her to develop a compelling line of attack would likely serve her well as president.
www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11436670/democratic-debate-new-york-clinton-mess
age

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Friday, April 15, 2016 9:12 AM

REAVERFAN

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Friday, April 15, 2016 9:19 AM

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I do not believe we live in a single issue country.

That is a message on which Clinton could hang most of her critiques of Sanders:

* Sanders' relentless focus on a single big idea about crushing corporate power prevents him from seeing that when you sit in the Oval Office it actually matters whether you get the details right.

* Sanders' self-righteousness about fundraising is going to make it impossible for him to build legislative coalitions and make even incremental progress on even his core issue.

* Sanders has been soft on guns, not because he's in the pocket of the NRA but because it's an issue that can't be easily assimilated into his class warfare worldview.

* Sanders voted against the 2007 immigration reform bill, not because he hates immigrants but because his passion for anti-business causes trumped other concerns.

* Sanders' ideas on health care might make sense in principle, but insisting on reopening this fight would prevent other issues from getting on the agenda.

The point would be not that Sanders is a bad guy or that his idea is wrong or even that he's a bad senator, but that he belongs in the Senate which is an ideal vantage point from which to flail away at one big idea.
www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11436670/democratic-debate-new-york-clinton-mess
age

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Friday, April 15, 2016 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

You seem nonplussed.

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:20 AM

You know, you're right..........they are more Uber-cons than Neo-cons. I stand corrected.

Oh, by the way, I get my info from Libtard Weekly, a subsidiary of Wiki-Leaks.
Not very much different than where you get your facts, only opposite (that's code
for WRONG) Dickhead Central, a subsidiary of Goose-steppers Bizarre

New policy, keep throwing insults; I'm ready, but, as they say in Dublin, duck &
cover - tira y tapate!

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:30 AM

It is kinda funny........lmao

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary Clinton

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Giddy with the thought of having a man sodomized with a bayonet and turning Libya into a cluster. George Bush couldn't have done better. She's either unbelievably stupid or unbelievably evil, or both.

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:32 AM

Actually, Uber-Neo-cons.................that's more like it!

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:33 AM

Actually, what is a conservative? Define that!!!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:38 AM

You know, I could stand for a politics lesson...........I'm not as politically
obtuse as you are............wait, I meant to say sharp. Damn, I always get those
mixed up. Ya see! I am in need of a good political ass whupping............

Teach me, O exalted one! Yep, I pick Option B.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...

Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.

I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?

So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?

SGG

I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.

Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney

Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!

SGG

Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 8:25 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Bernie would approve of Obama's eloquent description of the subtle corrupting effect from the fundraising process:
http://bit.ly/1NelzbK

I can’t assume that the money chase didn’t alter me in some ways. …

Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means — law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks. But they reflected, almost uniformly, the perspectives of their class: the top 1 percent or so of the income scale that can afford to write a $2,000 check to a political candidate. They believed in the free market and an educational meritocracy; they found it hard to imagine that there might be any social ill that could not be cured by a high SAT score. They had no patience with protectionism, found unions troublesome, and were not particularly sympathetic to those whose lives were upended by the movements of global capital. Most were adamantly prochoice and antigun and were vaguely suspicious of deep religious sentiment.

And although my own worldview and theirs corresponded in many ways — I had gone to the same schools, after all, had read the same books, and worried about my kids in many of the same ways — I found myself avoiding certain topics during conversations with them, papering over possible differences, anticipating their expectations. On core issues I was candid; I had no problem telling well-heeled supporters that the tax cuts they’d received from George Bush should be reversed. Whenever I could, I would try to share with them some of the perspectives I was hearing from other portions of the electorate: the legitimate role of faith in politics, say, or the deep cultural meaning of guns in rural parts of the state.

Still, I know that as a consequence of my fund-raising I became more like the wealthy donors I met, in the very particular sense that I spent more and more of my time above the fray, outside the world of immediate hunger, disappointment, fear, irrationality, and frequent hardship of the other 99 percent of the population — that is, the people that I’d entered public life to serve. And in one fashion or another, I suspect this is true for every senator: The longer you are a senator, the narrower the scope of your interactions. You may fight it, with town hall meetings and listening tours and stops by the old neighborhood. But your schedule dictates that you move in a different orbit from most of the people you represent.

And perhaps as the next race approaches, a voice within tells you that you don’t want to have to go through all the misery of raising all that money in small increments all over again. You realize that you no longer have the cachet you did as the upstart, the fresh face; you haven’t changed Washington, and you’ve made a lot of people unhappy with difficult votes. The path of least resistance — of fund-raisers organized by the special interests, the corporate PACs, and the top lobbying shops — starts to look awfully tempting, and if the opinions of these insiders don’t quite jibe with those you once held, you learn to rationalize the changes as a matter of realism, of compromise, of learning the ropes. The problems of ordinary people, the voices of the Rust Belt town or the dwindling heartland, become a distant echo rather than a palpable reality, abstractions to be managed rather than battles to be fought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It is kinda funny........lmao -SGG

Which part's funny? The part where Clinton turned Libya into a failed state crawling with jihadists? Or the part where she's so happy about it?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:50 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND, I assume that you posted those extended (negative) opinion pieces about Sanders because you agree with them.

So here's my take on those pieces:

Looking for president in the geriatric crowd: Garrison Keillor
I enjoy Keillor and his stories of Lives of the Cowboys, Guy Noir, and especially Lake Woebegone which in many ways was like my (small) hometown. I'm sad that he's retiring but I recognize that he's earned it. I guess I'll just have to content myself with rebroadcasts. But I'm not about to take political advice from a guy who seems to be swayed more by youth and style than by the issues. Sorry Garrison, you don't get my vote.

Hillary Clinton can't quite decide what she wants to say about Bernie Sanders
The problem with Hillary Clinton isn't that she's some sort of uber-wonk who can't draft a clear message because she's got all of the details in mind. HER problems is that she's been wrong on every single issue, from health care to NAFTA to Iraq to Libya. (I posted an article which lists all of her failings here: Would the World Survive President Hillary? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60433&p=1#1
009887.) That woman is a disaster. Trying to portray her as some sort of mastermind is tragically lame, since she's flubbed everything except getting $$$ stuffed into her pocket.

Bernie would approve of Obama's eloquent description of the subtle corrupting effect from the fundraising process
And, yes, even "mainstream" Democrats can admit to the corrupting influence of money. The difference between Sanders and Obama, however, is that Sanders has a history of actively fighting against it for decades, while Obama's record is pitifully weak.

One thing that the MSM repeats often is Clinton's "overwhelming" delegate lead. The part they leave out (I wonder why) is that much of that lead comes from "superdelegates". Like Colorado GOP handing its delegates to Cruz without even holding an election, the Dem party central committee is dedicated to disenfranchising its own voters. They've selected Hillary as the heir apparent since she won't upset their comfortable relationships with the banks, the CIA and T(other)PTB.
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As you know, I'm not a huge Bernie fan. But the thought of voting for that evil witch Clinton (with apologies to witches everywhere) makes me gag.

Bernie doesn't need to be on top of every detail. That's not the President's job. It's up to the President to assemble a team of trusted (and hopefully realistic) advisors who can get and keep those details for him.

But I don't expect Sanders to achieve his goals as President. Breaking up the banks (which BTW are still dangerously TBTF, an article about it here http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/04/the-fed-sends-a-frightening-lett
er-to-jpmorgan-and-corporate-media-yawns/) and getting money out of politics is not in the cards. It would be enough for him to simply veto the more egregious notions of Congress (like voting for the TPP/TTIP) and to block the more egregious actions of the State Department and the CIA (like destabilizing YET ANOTHER nation) and to nominate a reasonable Supreme Court Justice. If Bernie can do that - and I think those are all every achievable goals well within his grasp - then he deserves a vote.

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:56 PM

REAVERFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You seem nonplussed.

Never.

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:00 PM

REAVERFAN

For all her talk, Hillary has no problem whoring for every single thing Sanders is against.

She's without a conscience, and a complete sociopath. The video above proves it without question. She's every bit as evil as Bush, and is actually very friendly with all the PNAC neocons.

She WILL get us into another war. Put that in the predictions thread.

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:31 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SGG

Have you read the article? Just curious. You mean the one I quoted from beginning to end, with the FULL context of the questions and each entire reply in green; rather than the dishonestly reported version 2nd posted? Yes.

A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob" The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies" written on the cover. Yours is a wildly inaccurate analogy. The more accurate analogy would be - she sees a blind licensed electrician with a truck that says on its side "we break it"; and she also sees her concerned neighbor who says "we need to find a way to fix that". Because Hillary has never even admitted to the existence of the problems Bernie focuses on. That's why the woman with the major leaks sees a blind electrician, not a sighted plumber. Also, every decision of Hillary's has led to a disaster. Well, maybe those were her intended goals, but they look like disasters for the American people from where I am. That's why the logo on the truck says "we break it". Meanwhile, Bernie comes over, sees the leak, thinks it's a problem, and goes about finding the fix for it.

Who do you think has the better chance of fixing the leak?

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:21 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, I assume that you posted those extended (negative) opinion pieces about Sanders because you agree with them.

As you know, I'm not a huge Bernie fan. But the thought of voting for that evil witch Clinton (with apologies to witches everywhere) makes me gag.

It is second, not SECOND.

If Republicans had not revised the Constitution out of pure vindictiveness toward FDR and the New Deal, I would prefer Obama running for a third term to Clinton or Bernie. But I would prefer any Democrat to any Republican, partly because a Republican would pick a Scalia clone for the Supreme Court. I think Bernie has no chance of winning against any Republican, once their noise machine bombards us for months about Bernie's beliefs and the fact that Bernie still has not posted all his tax forms going back to year 2000. I know he has done them, so why is he waiting? I know why Republicans don’t post theirs: tax cheating and greed will be evident.

Pretty soon that will make no difference because the witch will beat Bernie. Then the noise machine will be turned on the witch, but it has been noisily pointing out the witch's faults since Benghazi and the emails, however many years ago that started.

To summarize:

1) I prefer Obama to Clinton or Bernie, but I can't have Obama because of far-sighted Republicans acting in 1947.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_St
ates_Constitution

2) Bernie has little chance at this second of being elected President and very soon everyone will know he has no chance.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new
-york-democratic/
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-res
ults.html?_r=0

3) That leaves Clinton. I do hope Democrats would vote for a witch rather than stay home and let the Republicans win. But, you know, Democrats tend to not go to the polls and then they tend to not understand that that is the reason the Republicans win. Or Democrats vote for a Ralph Nader and that is another reason the Republicans win.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:55 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I do hope Democrats would vote for a witch rather than stay home and let the Republicans win."

If the "Democratic" Party didn't learn from their losses in governorships over the last couple of decades, in the House, and in the Senate, maybe they'll learn if they lose the White House.

I kinda don't think so, but there's always a chance. And it would serve them right if Republicans elected the first populist president instead of the usual party handmaiden.

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:27 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND I capitalize everyone I address because that's the way it shows up on the site, and it also helps to get the attention of those whom I'm addressing.

You've usually been rational in the past, why are you so emotional over this discussion?

We're still at the primaries stage, so who you'll be voting for is not who'll be President but who'll be candidate.

But, OK, thinking ahead, what are the probabilities?

Clinton v Trump
Clinton v Cruz
Sanders v Trump
Sanders v Cruz

Now, personally, I can't imagine many Democrats who would "stay home" if either Cruz or Trump were on the ticket, no matter WHO is on the Democrat side. There's enough negatives with both Trump and Cruz to scare almost every Democrat into voting blue (except me, but I'm atypical). So why not vote for Sanders? It would send a big fat message to party hacks that maybe they should start working for their base again. And even if he wins, he may not "get much accomplished" but so what? Considering what Hillary has "accomplished" in her political life, less is probably better.

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:42 AM

Actually, BOTH!!! HI-larious!!!

You know what else is funny, how Libya is the only thing NOT Obama's fault.
Bush invades Iraq, well that's fine. Kills, or has killed, Sadam; oh, that's
applauded.............downright laughable.

Then Obama gets Osama (hey that rhymes!) and he's BBQ'd for actually doing
something right, and something that Bush had promised.

Stop it, my sides are hurting......lol

Benghazi Committee is actually set to meet AGAIN! Ha, ha I'm dying here. It is
now officially the longest government-sponsored investigation in America's
history, and the least effective.

http://democrats-benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/benghazi-commi
ttee-now-one-of-the-longest-and-least-active-congressional

"During this time, the Select Committee has identified no evidence to
support claims that Secretary Clinton ordered a stand-down, approved an
illicit weapons program, or any of the other wild allegations about the
Benghazi attacks Republicans have made about her for years."

Stop it, stop it you're killing me............lmao

SfGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It is kinda funny........lmao -SGG

Which part's funny? The part where Clinton turned Libya into a failed state crawling with jihadists? Or the part where she's so happy about it?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SGG, when did you turn into a jerk?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:59 AM

Lesson received loud and clear.

SfGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG

Have you read the article? Just curious. You mean the one I quoted from beginning to end, with the FULL context of the questions and each entire reply in green; rather than the dishonestly reported version 2nd posted? Yes.

A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob" The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies" written on the cover. Yours is a wildly inaccurate analogy. The more accurate analogy would be - she sees a blind licensed electrician with a truck that says on its side "we break it"; and she also sees her concerned neighbor who says "we need to find a way to fix that". Because Hillary has never even admitted to the existence of the problems Bernie focuses on. That's why the woman with the major leaks sees a blind electrician, not a sighted plumber. Also, every decision of Hillary's has led to a disaster. Well, maybe those were her intended goals, but they look like disasters for the American people from where I am. That's why the logo on the truck says "we break it". Meanwhile, Bernie comes over, sees the leak, thinks it's a problem, and goes about finding the fix for it.

Who do you think has the better chance of fixing the leak?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:01 AM

Just yesterday.................pretty becoming

Pretty darn awful, and becoming worse!

Ha, I kill me!

SfGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SGG, when did you turn into a jerk?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:04 AM

Right you are! I totally agree - Trump or Bernie should win, then we'll really see this country fly above all others. America will be Great Again!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I do hope Democrats would vote for a witch rather than stay home and let the Republicans win."

If the "Democratic" Party didn't learn from their losses in governorships over the last couple of decades, in the House, and in the Senate, maybe they'll learn if they lose the White House.

I kinda don't think so, but there's always a chance. And it would serve them right if Republicans elected the first populist president instead of the usual party handmaiden.

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:11 AM

It's a political statement using sarcasm. You guys spout off and make some
serious claims, mix in some "facts" and then complain when someone protests.
We are all here to express our opinion, right or wrong, which is an American
right and tradition.

Do you wish to deny me that right? So what if I'm being a jerk, sometimes that is needed to get a point across.

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SGG, when did you turn into a jerk?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:20 AM

You want to know the real reason why I laugh at this post.............Because,
it's so heavily "doctored" it's not even FUNNY.

SfGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SGG, when did you turn into a jerk?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:40 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Right you are! I totally agree - Trump or Bernie should win, then we'll really see this country fly above all others. America will be Great Again!

SGG

Are you drunk? High? Stoned? What's going on SGG? You're incoherent. Trump and Bernie aren't the same. And you may have noticed 'make America great again' is the Trumpette's slogan, not Bernie's.

What I'm getting from you and 2nd is that you fear Trump and despise Bernie - but neither of you have been able to point to one solid reason - backed up by history or experience - as to why Shrillary would be so great. And why the serious baggage of her bad decisions, bad policies, and bad company should be ignored.

Why should anyone vote FOR her? What is she going to do to stabilize the areas the US (and Shrillary herself) destabilized? Is she going to escalate tensions with Russia or deescalate them? And do you think limited nuclear warfare is possible? How will she deal with Israel's illegal behavior? What will she do to protect the economy from 'too big to fail' banks? Will she reverse 'bail-in' policies? Is she for or against 'free trade' pacts? And will she be the same tomorrow? There are critical issues facing the US where Shrillary has either been on the wrong side, or is silent.

As president, will she address them them in ways that represent the interests of us, the citizens of this country? Neither of you can answer that.

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 2:08 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
It's a political statement using sarcasm .... So what if I'm being a jerk, sometimes that is needed to get a point across.

Being a jerk is sometimes necessary to get your point across, but I have no idea what point that would be, and I daresay neither does anyone else.

So let's start with something simple:

Quote:
You want to know the real reason why I laugh at this post.............Because,
it's so heavily "doctored" it's not even FUNNY.

WHICH post is doctored? The Youtube of Hillary beaming and giggling because she just got someone killed?

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 3:00 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

2nd's tilted posts - a sampler

I was trying to get a sense of 2nd's thinking. But her posts were so incredibly dishonest and one-sided, all I came away with was the impression of a person with absolutely no integrity. And also, highly partisan, but not because of any support for Clinton's policies.

reasons to vote against Bernie
Sanders persuaded the jet’s manufacturer to put a research center in Vermont and bring 18 jets to the state National Guard.
what 2nd left out of her post from the same article
Even the Democrats are in on the game. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has yet to propose a military budget, but she has long pledged strong support for the troops.

now for some completely fictitious commentary
Just like he is getting more youthful looking and, any day now in order to win the general election, will be embracing Christ and throwing aside his Judaism/atheism/socialism.

Bernie has simple, crowd-pleasing answers to every question. He's for X, full stop. He's against Y, end of story. There's no nuance. As for Hillary's disastrous record ... crickets.
On whether Bernie supports fracking: "My answer is a lot shorter. No, I do not support fracking." And what is Hillary's policy? Surely there must be some statement amongst all the 'nuance'.
On reforming Wall Street: "If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist....Within one year, my administration will break these institutions up so that they no longer pose a grave threat to the economy." And Hillary? Does she even consider it a problem?
On whether there's even a "single circumstance" in which abortion should be illegal: "That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family. That's my view." What about Hillary?
On prison reform: "I promise at the end of my first term we won't have more people in jail than in any other country." And Hillary's position?

First, the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt ... In the video 2nd posted? Or the link? It didn't happen.

The entire future of America was suppose to depend on Ralph in the White House. Only Ralph could save the Nation. Nobody I knew, no story I read, ever made that point. Now there goes 2nd again, making up stuff. It's called a strawman argument and is a form of dishonesty.

I checked the betting sites. Bernie will not be President is a safe bet.

There was an article 2nd posted about Bernie where snippets of phrases were cut out of entire sentences Bernie said, and those isolated phrases were posted AS IF they were Bernie's entire answer. FOR SHAME 2nd. Talk about blatant dishonesty.

I am being mean to tired, old man Bernie but the easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. And Hillary's position? ... But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, yes and would breaking them up protect us from future crises? yes On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And Hillary's position?

How about reforming Wall Street. It's on Bernie's list. Is it on Hillary's?
And there's Bernie, saying 'too big to fail' banks are a problem. They just about brought down the global economy in 2008, and we and the EU have YET to recover. And they're poised to do it gain. "Quadrillion Dollar Derivatives Market 20 Times Global GDP" What about Hillary. Does she see a problem? Does she have even one answer?

And Bernie is saying an economy can't function with the income inequality we have. What about Hillary? Does she think it's a problem? Has she offered up any solutions? At all?

And what about Bernie's peace-mongering? How does Hillary stack up against that?

2nd and SGG both seem to have managed to avoid discussing Hillary, or any substantive discussion of policy, at all.

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Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:04 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

post to flip the database display out of a poorly defined state

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND . . . You've usually been rational in the past, why are you so emotional over this discussion?

. . .

Now, personally, I can't imagine many Democrats who would "stay home" if either Cruz or Trump were on the ticket, no matter WHO is on the Democrat side.

I am going to contradict you on your notion that Democrats will NOT "stay home". With the tiniest excuse, Texans Democrats will not vote. In Texas, Democrats do "stay home" all the time and that has warped state politics into a weirdness never seen before.

There are 14,000,000 registered voters in Texas. 5,000,000 more did not register, so that is 19,000,000 voters. Less than 5,000,000 vote for governor. From that, and personal observation, I draw the conclusion that Democrats are simply letting 2.8 million Republicans take control of the entire state at all levels of government, from highest to lowest.
www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtml

Repeating myself: The population is not Republican, but Texas government is Republican because Democrats are not voting. I know Democrats who think Republican Governor Greg Abbott is a “Democrat” and think that Bush was the most recent Republican Governor. I explain it to them and they say "Oh!" and they understand, but give them a few months and they go right back to confusing who is Republican and Democrat.

Unlike the Democrats, Republicans do not misidentify the Governor’s party.

Getting mixed up about parties has awful consequences. Why should a Democrat bother to vote when the Governor is already a “Democrat”? And if the “Democrat” acts just like Republican Bush, why bother to vote when there is no difference between political parties?
www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Texas-is-not-among-the-most-Republ
ican-states-as-6087850.php#photo-7448282

It is just mind-boggling in Texas. The winning side, the Republicans, have an organizational advantage because they know who they are and they reliably vote for their side. And those 14 million Texans who did not vote? They have no more control over Texas government than Canadians do.

Bernie and his followers are NOT helping the Texas Democrats by painting Clinton as a witch who makes the same mistakes as Republicans. What Bernie's people will accomplish is convincing Texas Democrats that there is no reason to vote in November since Clinton is no better than a Republican. And, once again, Texas Democrats will "stay home" by the millions and 2.8 million Republicans will control the local governments that rule over 28 million Texans. We can thank Independent Bernie for doing all he can to trash the Democratic party in his rush to make it the Bernie party of one.

And later on this year, Bernie will be back in the Senate, calling himself an Independent because he is purer and better than any Democrat that ever existed and thus helping Republicans win Texas local government.

Texas Governor Race 2010
Republican Rick Perry 55% 2,737,481
Democratic Bill White 42.3% 2,106,395
Libertarian Kathie Glass 2.2% 109,211
Green Deb Shafto 0.4% 19,516
Write-In Andy Barron 0.1% 7,267
Total Votes 4,979,870
Eligible voters 19,000,000
https://ballotpedia.org/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2010

Texas Governor Race 2014
Republican Greg Abbott 59.3% 2,796,547
Democratic Wendy Davis 38.9% 1,835,596
Libertarian Kathie Glass 1.4% 66,543
Green Brandon Parmer 0.4% 18,520
Write-in Sarah Pavitt 0% 1,062
Total Votes 4,718,268
Eligible voters 19,000,000
https://ballotpedia.org/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2014

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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