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The State of Freedom in Russia

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:56 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you. Is that what you want me to respond to?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you.= KRAPO
Why should we listen to you blather on about the "state of freedom in Russia" when it's clear you couldn't give two shits about the "state of freedom" in the USA or Britain?

Do you have anything relevant to say on the topic of freedom anywhere? Apparently not! That's why I haven't been discussing anything with you, you Nazi, you.



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Monday, October 30, 2017 11:03 AM

THGRRI


I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.






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Monday, October 30, 2017 11:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And I'll say it again: You have no idea what you're talking about. So, just to prove me wrong, here's a challenge: What's "freedom", THUGR? Define it for us.
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Originally posted by THGRRI: I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.


I'll bet you dollars to donuts you never answer the question. Just like you've never answered what you think "America's" interests are because ... get this ... you think it's a "trick" question.

Yanno, I chuckle every time I think about that. The only thing that makes it a "trick" question is your inability to answer it.





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Monday, October 30, 2017 11:52 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And I'll say it again: You have no idea what you're talking about. So, just to prove me wrong, here's a challenge: What's "freedom", THUGR? Define it for us.
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI: I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.


I'll bet you dollars to donuts you never answer the question. Just like you've never answered what you think "America's" interests are because ... get this ... you think it's a "trick" question.

Yanno, I chuckle every time I think about that. The only thing that makes it a "trick" question is your inability to answer it.



It doesn't surprise me that I need to explain the meaning of freedom to you. Something I did and do with other questions posed to me by you. Including the one you imply I didn't.

Political freedom, political autonomy or political agency, is a central concept in history and political thought. It is one of the most important features of democratic societies.

These freedoms are currently being targeted for destruction by Russian trolls like you and kiki. How, by the delegitimation of our democratic institutions. These institutions are fighting back through our legal system. The rule of law. Those corrupted by Russia in our political system are heading to jail. As they do it is I who chuckles.

Tick tock, tick tock SIG. I have been taking a break from here but as the indictments start to unfold, you can bet my laughing and saying I told you so will be a constant ringing in your ears.






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Monday, October 30, 2017 3:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tony Podesta Resigns As Head Of Lobbying Firm After Becoming Target In Mueller Probe

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/tony-podesta-resigns-lobbying
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Monday, October 30, 2017 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So let's see ... freedom means people setting their goals as the politician's agenda, and getting their needs met.

Let's see, how did that work for single payer or public option?

How did that work for reining in the banks and reducing the wealth inequity?

How did that work for keeping a robust manufacturing sector at home?

In general, when it comes to people "push" versus elite "shove", who gets their way?

Quote:

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

The report, "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" (PDF), used extensive policy data collected between 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the U.S. political system.

After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.

The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."

The positions of powerful interest groups are "not substantially correlated with the preferences of average citizens," but the politics of average Americans and affluent Americans sometimes does overlap. This is merely a coincidence, the report says, with the interests of the average American being served almost exclusively when it also serves those of the richest 10%.

The theory of "biased pluralism" that the Princeton and Northwestern researchers believe the U.S. system fits holds that policy outcomes "tend to tilt towards the wishes of corporations and business and professional associations."


http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oli
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DO "the people" get their way? ARE they able to determine outcomes through their vote? The results say no.


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Monday, October 30, 2017 4:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So THUGR: Is there political freedom here? Or even a functioning democracy?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 4:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So what's your excuse for not addressing YOUR OWN TOPIC? Could it be you were too stupid to think it through? And now you can't help but bite your own ass if you reply to my post?
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Originally posted by kpo:
Yawn.

Well at least you're on topic now.

And you STILL can't address my post. For the fourth time.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 5:20 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Kiki, you amusing loon, I'm tying to pinpoint what exactly you are asking me to address.

Let me repeat:

Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you. Is that what you want me to respond to?



?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I have a question for you, krappo.

It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.

Why are you so comfortable with that?



And why have you ducked this question seven times?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:25 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Kiki wants to crow about me not answering her question, but is afraid of me actually answering

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I have a question for you, krappo.

It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.

Why are you so comfortable with that?



And why have you ducked this question eight times?





HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 7:11 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR: Is there political freedom here? Or even a functioning democracy?



I've said my piece. I have no intention of entering into a protracted discussion with a witless worm and emptied headed troll.






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Monday, October 30, 2017 8:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

I've said my piece.
Yes, you trolled and you're incapable of the simplest of discussions.

Tell us something we don't know.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:04 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I have a question for you, krappo.

It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.

Why are you so comfortable with that?



So kiki, let's deal with this. Answer me straight, if you can. Don't spam, and don't try to change the subject.

In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you. Is that what you want me to respond to?

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:33 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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I use to dread visiting my wife’s grandfather because he had this knack for asking us questions that seemed brilliantly crafted for how unanswerable they were. You felt him staring at you waiting for an answer, while my wife and I would stare at each other trying to think of one. This would go on for hours. He was 94, so love and respect.
When KillKill asks if we control our Media I’m transported back to grandpa Smith’s livingroom. “Media???” What does she mean by “Media?” Television? CNN, RT, Fox? Maybe Radio? Or, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter? Google News? Google News Italy? Newspapers perhaps? National Review? Maybe Magazines? Scienctific America, Time, Christian Science Monitor? Maybe Newsletters or blogs? Maybe Mailing lists? Maybe she means political forums? Sci-fi forums? Podcasts perhaps? How can you answer such a poorly worded question? Does she even know what she means by “Media?”

G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:31 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


So once again, after being directly challenged, kiki has gone quiet.

I'm guessing she'll return in a few posts time and resume spamming, hoping no one notices.

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I have a question for you, krappo.

It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.

Why are you so comfortable with that?



And why have you ducked this question nine times?

It's obvious this is the question I'm asking you to respond to.

What's your next excuse for ducking the question?



HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think you've just provided the perfect rationale for why krappo is utterly incapable of addressing anything related to Russia.

BRILLIANT!
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I use to dread visiting my wife’s grandfather because he had this knack for asking us questions that seemed brilliantly crafted for how unanswerable they were. You felt him staring at you waiting for an answer, while my wife and I would stare at each other trying to think of one. This would go on for hours. He was 94, so love and respect.
When KillKill asks if we control our Media I’m transported back to grandpa Smith’s livingroom. “Media???” What does she mean by “Media?” Television? CNN, RT, Fox? Maybe Radio? Or, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter? Google News? Google News Italy? Newspapers perhaps? National Review? Maybe Magazines? Scienctific America, Time, Christian Science Monitor? Maybe Newsletters or blogs? Maybe Mailing lists? Maybe she means political forums? Sci-fi forums? Podcasts perhaps? How can you answer such a poorly worded question? Does she even know what she means by “Media?”

G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:26 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think you've just provided the perfect rationale for why krappo is utterly incapable of addressing anything related to Russia.




I don’t think even you are dumb enough to believe what you just posted.

G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.

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Friday, November 3, 2017 9:40 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I have a question for you, krappo.

It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.

Why are you so comfortable with that?



And why have you ducked this question nine times?

It's obvious this is the question I'm asking you to respond to.



Hurray! We got there. So you're talking about Iraq. I mocked you for this in the other thread. But the mockery has a logic behind it:

1. You are arguing that our governments lie to us constantly, but Iraq is only a single instance of government lying. Where is the other evidence? Where is the recent evidence? The fact that you have to go back 15 years for an example of something government does 'constantly'... do you not see how that makes your case incredibly weak?
2. You are equating lying with propaganda. A democratic government lying is comparable to a totalitarian state propagandising? Wow. Your thinking is either incredibly lazy, or ignorant about how totalitarian states work. I'm guessing the former, since I already explained the difference: a democratic government does not control the media.

There's the answer to your question kiki. I gave it all to you before in mockery form, but now I've spelled it out for you as well. You're welcome.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Friday, November 3, 2017 11:03 AM

THGRRI


I believe because of the title of this thread, ( The State of Freedom In Russia ), that I remind the readers there is no such thing as freedom for those living in Russia.

That said, it is their own faults. They seem to enjoy living under the thumbs of a few, a dictatorship.

A dictatorship is a type of authoritarianism, in which politicians regulate nearly every aspect of the public and private behavior




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Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:28 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Goodbye Russia: A generation packs its bags

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-42431009

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But success came at a cost. Chirikova was arrested several times and other activists and journalists were set upon by unknown assailants. When Khimki newspaper editor Mikhail Beketov raised suspicions that local officials were profiting from the motorway project, his dog was killed, his car was set on fire and finally he was attacked so brutally that he suffered brain damage and never regained the power of speech.

Chirikova remembers going to visit him in intensive care. He had lost several fingers, had a leg amputated and part of his skull was missing after a beating with an iron bar.

"My legs were shaking so badly that I just sat on the hospital floor," she says. "For the first time, I was really afraid. Anyone who could do such a thing to another person has no moral principles and I understood that a bandit regime had seized power in my country."



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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Friday, February 23, 2018 1:48 PM

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