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Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:21 PM

THGRRI


I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates as the gentlemen in the video describes as the death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video it's 18 minutes, and give this guys views some consideration.

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_wright_on_optimism

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So I listened to this guy's views, and all I got out of it is that we need to understand on another better because it's too dangerous not to.

Okie dokie.

On the other hand, he made it sound like these terror attacks were the product of poor, marginalized people who are simply expressing their frustration at their impoverished circumstances. While some ... perhaps many ... of the terrorists fit that mold, the funders and supporters of violent jihad are anything but.


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:00 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I listened to this guy's views, and all I got out of it is that we need to understand on another better because it's too dangerous not to.

Okie dokie.

On the other hand, he made it sound like these terror attacks were the product of poor, marginalized people who are simply expressing their frustration at their impoverished circumstances. While some ... perhaps many ... of the terrorists fit that mold, the funders and supporters of violent jihad are anything but.


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You missed the point. Much of our bigoted tendencies of the past have lessoned with time. In other words we used to be much worse. He also explained about how we have developed into societies and how those societies have grown more interdependent upon each other breading tolerance.

You guys are working towards falling back into a less tolerant world. How, by your inability to distinguish bad Muslims from good. By implying through carefully selected video's, press and blogs all Muslim refugees are subversive.


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think I've made it very clear that the terrorist aspect is coming primarily from the Saudi-funded Wahhabi/ Takfiri/ Salafist end of Islam. Yanno, the one that preaches "convert or die" and "all your bases are belong to us" ... and means it. And enforces their way with horrific torture, and uses terror to intimidate the masses.

THAT kind of Islam.

The problem is that with the masses of people moving into Europe, there is no way to screen, identify, or track anyone. With the very real possibility of terrorists being embedded in the migrants (most of whom don't seem to be refugees) that presents an unacceptable security risk.




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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I've made it very clear that the terrorist aspect is coming primarily from the Saudi-funded Wahhabi/ Takfiri/ Salafist end of Islam. Yanno, the one that preaches "convert or die" and "all your bases are belong to us" ... and means it. And enforces their way with horrific torture, and uses terror to intimidate the masses.

THAT kind of Islam.

The problem is that with the masses of people moving into Europe, there is no way to screen, identify, or track anyone. With the very real possibility of terrorists being embedded in the migrants (most of whom don't seem to be refugees) that presents an unacceptable security risk.




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SIG, I just can't seem to get you to realize how one dimensional your thinking is. Iran is the biggest exporter of terrorism and has been for a very long time.


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Iran trains and funds Hezbollah. Hezbollah is primarily centered in Lebanon, they defended Lebanon against an Israeli military attack - and won.

Southern Iraq is also full of (native) Shiite militias, who were organized by Iran. They're defending their territory against ISIL, like the Kurds are defending theirs.

What I don't see is Iranian-sponsored terrorists invading other nations, bringing down planes, bombing mosques, shooting down civilians. During the invasion of Iraq, there was a lot of internecine warfare between previously superior Sunnis (Baathists) and the Shiites, particularly in areas of contact, like between close neighborhoods in Baghdad. I chalked that up to general breakdown of society and security during war, and it's not like the Shiites were the only ones.

If you know of terrorist activities, please post them. I kind of anticipate that you won't, because you have a tendency to make broad, sweeping statements that you can't or won't back up.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:17 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Iran trains and funds Hezbollah. Hezbollah is primarily centered in Lebanon, they defended Lebanon against an Israeli military attack - and won.

Southern Iraq is also full of (native) Shiite militias, who were organized by Iran. They're defending their territory against ISIL, like the Kurds are defending theirs.

What I don't see is Iranian-sponsored terrorists invading other nations, bringing down planes, bombing mosques, shooting down civilians. During the invasion of Iraq, there was a lot of internecine warfare between previously superior Sunnis (Baathists) and the Shiites, particularly in areas of contact, like between close neighborhoods in Baghdad. I chalked that up to general breakdown of society and security during war, and it's not like the Shiites were the only ones.

If you know of terrorist activities, please post them.

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like I said


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:18 PM

THGRRI


double post


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:39 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979

Iran’s use of terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and South America has continued since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Not only is Iran currently the number one state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to pursue this policy despite international condemnation and will continue to do so unless effective policy is implemented that will force Iran into compliance. The especially disturbing aspect of this sponsorship is not the flagrancy with which Iran provides support, but the influence that Iran has – through its various proxies - on Middle East politics; projecting its power into Arab countries and disrupting the Middle East peace process. While Iran is unlikely to abandon its support of terrorism any time soon, there are certainly ways in which the international community can help reduce Iran’s reliance on terrorist proxies in projecting its influence. Yet, any effort will require the full support of Arab and Western states along with both patience and good diplomacy amongst those involved, with countries placing long-term stability and prosperity in the Middle East over short term political and economic aims.
Key Words: HAMAS, Hizballah, Iran, PIJ, Proxies, Terrorists
Introduction


http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Manni%20Iran%20Final.pdf

Here ya go sport


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:46 PM

THGRRI


Originally posted by THGRRI:

I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates as the gentlemen in the video describes as the death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video it's 18 minutes, and give this guys views some consideration.

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_wright_on_optimism


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979

Iran’s use of terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and South America has continued since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Not only is Iran currently the number one state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to pursue this policy despite international condemnation and will continue to do so unless effective policy is implemented that will force Iran into compliance. The especially disturbing aspect of this sponsorship is not the flagrancy with which Iran provides support, but the influence that Iran has – through its various proxies - on Middle East politics; projecting its power into Arab countries and disrupting the Middle East peace process. While Iran is unlikely to abandon its support of terrorism any time soon, there are certainly ways in which the international community can help reduce Iran’s reliance on terrorist proxies in projecting its influence. Yet, any effort will require the full support of Arab and Western states along with both patience and good diplomacy amongst those involved, with countries placing long-term stability and prosperity in the Middle East over short term political and economic aims.
Key Words: HAMAS, Hizballah, Iran, PIJ, Proxies, Terrorists
Introduction


http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Manni%20Iran%20Final.pdf

Here ya go sport




A report which doesn't implicate Saudi Arabia and Qatar is purely political. I noticed that this report, like your post, provides no details nor evidence. I wasn't looking for more US State Department talking points, but references to actual terrorist actions attributable to Iran.

Has Hezbollah brought down any airplanes recently?
No.
Set off any suicide bombs?
No.


It seems that if one wants to find prejudice, one can find it anywhere. So why don't you take your advice, and cut "the Muslims" some slack, and judge them based on what they do, not on whether or not they're Iranian or Saudi or Egyptian?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:02 PM

WISHIMAY


My views of Muslims:

Their history is rife with slavery and beheading people who didn't believe the same garbage.

Christianity has a history rife with slavery and murdering -in many ways- people who didn't believe in their garbage.

Modern Muslims (even the peaceful ones) still have as least a vague undercurrent notion that if you are not Muslim or pay the jizya tax, then you are inferior, and an enemy to their way of life.

Modern Christians still have a very vocal (but less physical) notion that you are going to hell if you do not believe or support them and that you are an enemy to their way of life (war on Christmas, ect).

The thing I see in common is fear and insecurity. The only difference I see is public level of intensity, and that can change on a whim. Both are just as potentially dangerous, but Muslims are currently winning in that department, and people hate to lose at ANYTHING. We don't really do vigilante style here, we just declare war and murder who we like, innocent or not, and I see no difference in style. This country has murdered whole buildings of people to get ONE PERSON. Whether War or Jihad... what's the difference?? I doubt posting HERE will change anything about either side.

I will cut no one slack of any kind, because as soon as you do- they will use it to hang you with.




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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.



Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979

Iran’s use of terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and South America has continued since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Not only is Iran currently the number one state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to pursue this policy despite international condemnation and will continue to do so unless effective policy is implemented that will force Iran into compliance. The especially disturbing aspect of this sponsorship is not the flagrancy with which Iran provides support, but the influence that Iran has – through its various proxies - on Middle East politics; projecting its power into Arab countries and disrupting the Middle East peace process. While Iran is unlikely to abandon its support of terrorism any time soon, there are certainly ways in which the international community can help reduce Iran’s reliance on terrorist proxies in projecting its influence. Yet, any effort will require the full support of Arab and Western states along with both patience and good diplomacy amongst those involved, with countries placing long-term stability and prosperity in the Middle East over short term political and economic aims.
Key Words: HAMAS, Hizballah, Iran, PIJ, Proxies, Terrorists
Introduction


http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Manni%20Iran%20Final.pdf

Here ya go sport




A report which doesn't implicate Saudi Arabia and Qatar is purely political. I noticed that this report, like your post, provides no details nor evidence. I wasn't looking for more US State Department talking points, but references to actual terrorist actions attributable to Iran.

Has Hezbollah brought down any airplanes recently?
No.
Set off any suicide bombs?
No.


It seems that if one wants to find prejudice, one can find it anywhere. So why don't you take your advice, and cut "the Muslims" some slack, and judge them based on what they do, not on whether or not they're Iranian or Saudi or Egyptian?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.



The oblivious difference between me and you SIG is that just today I posted about Saudi Araba creating the radical Sunni jihadists in their Madrasas. Why, because it's about the truth with me SIG. I am not trying to hide the truth by denying the guilt of other entities like you do.

The problem is you are a propaganda machine and that's why most of what I post in response to you is in setting the record straight comrade troll, by pointing out you post to fit your agenda.

For you it is always Russia good, America bad. The problem you, 1kiki and JAYNZTOWN have is your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

You three really are nitwits.


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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:52 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

You three really are nitwits.




Yanno, if you are going to call someone a nitwit you might at least use the word "YOU'RE" right... Kinda lessens the punch a bit.

Or at least, if you don't know which one to use, the word "yer" is punchy.

Just saying...

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:03 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

You three really are nitwits.




Yanno, if you are going to call someone a nitwit you might at least use the word "YOU'RE" right... Kinda lessens the punch a bit.

Or at least, if you don't know which one to use, the word "yer" is punchy.

Just saying...



I have posts from one thread to the next wishie. A grammatical error here and there is inevitable.

Do you think you have none in your many posts?


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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:33 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates a death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video. It's 18 minutes.

Demands for military intervention are constant and endless. But America's actual ability to engage in non-counterproductive interventions is quite limited.

What do you do when the moral and emotional stakes of an attack seem to call for war but there is no war that can be constructively fought? You watch the video that started all this bitterness and backbiting. Your unwillingness to understand one another, as in the clash between the Muslim world and the West, will lead to all of us losing the non-zero-sum "game" we are playing here at fireflyfans.net.

Start the video at 14:40. Or don't. It's your game to lose.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:42 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Sam Harris says it all - a free thinking Atheist, he's not too far removed from Mahers philosphy, he's teamed up with other ex-muslims and atheists to speak up


Harris a liberal, calls out other liberals for being spineless


http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/still-sleepwalking-toward-armage
ddon


Listen to his podcast, he's a great speaker

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:11 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates a death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video. It's 18 minutes.

Demands for military intervention are constant and endless. But America's actual ability to engage in non-counterproductive interventions is quite limited.

What do you do when the moral and emotional stakes of an attack seem to call for war but there is no war that can be constructively fought? You watch the video that started all this bitterness and backbiting. Your unwillingness to understand one another, as in the clash between the Muslim world and the West, will lead to all of us losing the non-zero-sum "game" we are playing here at fireflyfans.net.

Start the video at 14:40. Or don't. It's your game to lose.






This link is not about ISIS but instead about the fact that some here post as though all Muslims are a threat, and should not be allowed access to the rest of the world. It's bigotry plain and simple as well as being dangerous.

When you allow Muslims to migrate the process of migrating away from Islam starts to take effect. Even in places like Iran we can see the changes that have occurred lately. After the riots those seeking a more western life style have seen the reigns of oppression loosen its grip. The Mullahs knew they had to do this in order to survive. We need to survive as a race long enough to shed ourselves of religion.


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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:36 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Sam Harris says it all - a free thinking Atheist, he's not too far removed from Mahers philosphy, he's teamed up with other ex-muslims and atheists to speak up


Harris a liberal, calls out other liberals for being spineless


http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/still-sleepwalking-toward-armage
ddon


Listen to his podcast, he's a great speaker



I can find lots of Jew's willing to denounce Judaism, Muslims willing to denounce Islam and Catholics willing to denounce Catholicism ( I used to belong to this group ). You are talking about three people with opinions shared by other like minded people.

like I said in a previous post. The last time people listened to assholes like you we suffered WW11. Seventy two million people died. Some of us here see you for what you are. A hate monger...


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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The oblivious difference between me and you SIG is that just today I posted about Saudi Araba creating the radical Sunni jihadists in their Madrasas.
I guess you learned something here then.

Quote:

Why, because it's about the truth with me SIG. I am not trying to hide the truth by denying the guilt of other entities like you do.
If you're talking about Hezbollah, Hamas, etc... Did you even READ your own link??? No, of course not! If you had, you would have seen phrases like While it is questionable placing Hizbellah in the terrorist group... In that article, there is not one mention of "airplane", no mention of "suicide", and only one mention of "bomb", and that's referring to something that happened 40 years ago.

NOPE, you saw a recent article that you THOUGHT proved your point, and that's as far as you went!

Quote:

The problem is I'm are a propaganda machine and that's why most of what I post in response to you is troll, and I'm by pointing out that I post to fit my agenda.
Fixed in for you.

Quote:

For you it is always Russia good, America bad. The problem you, 1kiki and JAYNZTOWN have is your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.
False PROFITS??? What, do you think we're making some money offa this??? I think the word you're looking for is "prophet".

What I noticed about you is that you're VERY sensitive about people criticizing America. But it's a little hard not to, when the USA has killed so many people and destroyed so many nations since WWII.We will only get back to being a great nation when people (like you) stop supporting heinous policies.

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:02 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
A grammatical error here and there is inevitable.

Do you think you have none in your many posts?




I NEVER EVER said I didn't have errors, but I take extra care to at least get the sentence where I insult people for being stupid right.
Like I said, tends to negate what you say, for future reference.

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:13 AM

JAYNEZTOWN





http://twitter.com/WalidShoebat/status/666492042453774336





I wonder how true this one is
'On the verge of collapse from the Muslim invasion, Swedes are arming themselves… '


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Demands for military intervention are constant and endless.



Libertarians like Ron Paul are some of the others sometimes do come to make sense, however I am against Libertarians view on more open free borders, nations have borders for a reason, many of these in Europe are now crime ridden, welfare dependent, drug ridden rape riddeb....the liberal rightists of Europe thought to let more in over the years and gave none of them jobs....they got addicted to welfare and got addicted to re-electing government politicans who would reward with more socialist welfare programs and more big government....Sweden is the one to see the future and see the current failures of EU





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Originally posted by THGRRI:
[i can find plenty of]...Muslims willing to denounce Islam




No you can't because youre so full of sh*t, Apostacy is punishable by death across the muslim world
65%-70% of this islamic cultured world supports the death penalty for leaving Islam

If you do, as you claim to have Islamic-Apostate friends online willing to draw Mohammed cartoons then send me their skype, send me their twitter I would like to see their mohammed drawings and would like to chat with them

People like you make me embarassed for ever giving a vote to a Liberal politican, I was a strong supporter of the left but people like you have made Leftism a complete embarassment...whatever happened FDR liberals, JFK liberals, Truman Liberals? These days its a bunch of marxist regressive clowns running an insane asylum...I have trouble supporting some of you brainwashed fools anymore

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The last time people listened to assholes like you we suffered WW11.



You're completely fucking insane, turn off CNN, drop those marxistChomsky books for a while and get an opinion of your own


You are so full of sh*t I am against war, against these new illegal fake-ugees and was against the war in Iraq

I have been posting here since 2003 and you still have no idea who I am and are trying to make me out as some fictional Mississippi warmongering KKK cartoon character

What if I told you I wasn't even 'white'

You are a marxist-brainwashed moron of the highest standards

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:22 AM

THGRRI


SIG, get some help really. It's sad to see you change and deliberately misrepresent what others say to suit yourself. It's called delusion and you suffer it's affects. We here have demonstrably laid it out for you to see over and over again. It's has been pointed out in post after post that what you claim is not what has been said. In post after post that what you claim only applies to certain entities and not others. That in post after post the cut and pasted facts you present have been altered to reflect what you want it to reflect. In post after post you deny what is true even though it is indisputable.


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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:30 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Sam Harris says it all - a free thinking Atheist, he's not too far removed from Mahers philosphy, he's teamed up with other ex-muslims and atheists to speak up


Harris a liberal, calls out other liberals for being spineless


http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/still-sleepwalking-toward-armage
ddon


Listen to his podcast, he's a great speaker



Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

[i can find plenty of]...Muslims willing to denounce Islam



Quote you JAYNZTOWN

No you can't because youre so full of sh*t, Apostacy is punishable by death across the muslim world
65%-70% of this islamic cultured world supports the death penalty for leaving Islam


You just spew bullshit so it is easy to point out to others your lies and hipocrocies. Look at both of your posts. The top one is you telling us we should listen to the ex- Muslims and the next you are telling me I can't find any ex- Muslims because there are none.

See what a dick you are? Nitwits...The three of you are Nitwits

Again, the last time people listened to assholes like you seventy two million people died in world war two.


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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:06 PM

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Read this, I like this guy. Then read on, he well, goes nuts.
Quote:

..JAYNEZTOWN, Sept. 8th 2004

Hot headed reactions like these are kind of understandable. I saw much worse ideas than this Flynn guy on the Yahoo-news and MSN-news board

It's true that these Islamic terrorists are scum, and if they take human life, bomb hospitals or kill children they deserve to die.

However not all Arabs, Muslims or Islamics are like these radical nuts. Many are just ordinary folk and some don't give a damn about religion. Terrorism will always exist in some form, it is hard to defeat but it can be largely prevented.

Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong.

The probelm is that some try to strike back using overkill methods only to see terror groups spring back in other places and sometimes stronger.

Take the example of Clinton, he was a bullcrap president and spent much time with Monica and cigars. However he done ok for the USA and was smart when it came to global politics and events. In Kosovo, we had different ethnic groups and races killing ecah other. Clinton was forced to act and planes bombed. Afterwards there were big problems, yet Clinton set up the smart framework so that the area would be secure, safe and free from dictators or terrorists again. Clinton also done good in parts of Asia, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.

Now take our idiot Bush, all fight but no brains instead of finding the evil Binladen and his Taliban friends Bush is off causing trouble in the Iraq. Meanwhile N-Korea is building long range Nukes that reach the west coast and Iran has a real WMD program. Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong and this might be why it's now growing in Iraq, a place where Al-Quaida could not have existed some months ago as Saddam used to hatethem and other religious radicals. It seems Bush has plenty of bravado and fight in him, but no brains and tactics and no idea about peace, and security or winning the war.

There is no doubt these islamic extremists are evil and they should be killed for what they have done. However not respond by bombing a city
let's catch them , put them on trial and shoot them.

The worst thing Russia could do is play this like Bush has done, by pinning it on some other random city ( Baghdad-Iraq ) . When I speak of Clinton or Bush I don't just mean the presidents but the advisors and administartion which surrounds. Is Bush smart enough to win peace and security or are the terrorists coming back and more people going to die ?



See this guy I agree with. Then you became radicalized. I’ll let you argue with yourself.

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…JAYNZTOWN….In the past week

End Is Nigh 4 Europe, Refugees, Illegal Immigration, Muslim Invasion...alarmist doomsday post

By now the best outcome is a civil war within months, reversing this development. The worst outcome is complete disintegration of European nations within the next few years, rendering large parts of the continent ungovernable. The divorce between the government and the people is almost complete by now. No sane person believes the press or the politicians...end quote

No you can't because youre so full of sh*t, Apostacy is punishable by death across the muslim world 65%-70% of this islamic cultured world supports the death penalty for leaving Islam

If you do, as you claim to have Islamic-Apostate friends online willing to draw Mohammed cartoons then send me their skype, send me their twitter I would like to see their mohammed drawings and would like to chat with them
nations have borders for a reason, many of these in Europe are now crime ridden, welfare dependent, drug ridden rape riddeb....the liberal rightists of Europe thought to let more in over the years and gave none of them jobs....they got addicted to welfare and got addicted to re-electing government politicans who would reward with more socialist welfare programs and more big government....Sweden is the one to see the future and see the current failures of EU

I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus I travelled in myself with a group of others. They were throwing feces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany?

Why should 23-year-old Mohammed work for four decades so that Hans or Fritz across the way can retire at 61 and lie on a beach in Mallorca? The idea that Mohammed would ever want to do such a thing out of love for Europe was a silly fantasy that European governments fed their worried citizens.

Mohammed doesn’t share European values. Nor are they likely to take hold of him no matter how often the aging teachers, who hope he gets a job and subsidizes their retirement, try to drill them into his head.

Clinton got into the bed with the devil when they supported radical islamists

reminds me of a book and movie



Yep, you certainly have been radicalized. The difference between the guy up top and the guy down below is epic. You think I am wrong for taking you on the way I have. OK, I’ll use you arguing with yourself to make my case for why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack.



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Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:57 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I read the title and it seemed --- confused. "Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack" Which Muslims? All Muslims? That's as biased as hating all Muslims. All Muslims except the radical ones? What about the Muslim countries of Indonesia and Malaysia, where government is officially based on a forceful practice of Islam? Maybe we should only cut domesticated Muslims some slack, Muslims in small enough numbers who are tame enough to not actually affect anyone else's way of life. Or maybe we need to just cut the Muslims some slack if they're nominally our allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, no matter how much radical Islam violence and death they fund around the globe ...

I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

OTOH an endless blanket Muslim whitewash that you seem to propose as an alternative, or some other mindless reaction, is just as pointless. Especially because you seem to be proposing it to silence discussion of particulars.





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Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:23 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I read the title and it seemed --- confused. "Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack" Which Muslims? All Muslims? That's as biased as hating all Muslims. All Muslims except the radical ones? What about the Muslim countries of Indonesia and Malaysia, where government is officially based on a forceful practice of Islam? Maybe we should only cut domesticated Muslims some slack, Muslims in small enough numbers who are tame enough to not actually affect anyone else's way of life. Or maybe we need to just cut the Muslims some slack if they're nominally our allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, no matter how much radical Islam violence and death they fund around the globe ...

I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

OTOH an endless blanket Muslim whitewash that you seem to propose as an alternative, or some other mindless reaction, is just as pointless. Especially because you seem to be proposing it to silence discussion of particulars.




I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you.

Quote:

..JAYNEZTOWN, Sept. 8th 2004

Hot headed reactions like these are kind of understandable. I saw much worse ideas than this Flynn guy on the Yahoo-news and MSN-news board

It's true that these Islamic terrorists are scum, and if they take human life, bomb hospitals or kill children they deserve to die.

However not all Arabs, Muslims or Islamics are like these radical nuts. Many are just ordinary folk and some don't give a damn about religion. Terrorism will always exist in some form, it is hard to defeat but it can be largely prevented.

Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong.

The probelm is that some try to strike back using overkill methods only to see terror groups spring back in other places and sometimes stronger.

Take the example of Clinton, he was a bullcrap president and spent much time with Monica and cigars. However he done ok for the USA and was smart when it came to global politics and events. In Kosovo, we had different ethnic groups and races killing ecah other. Clinton was forced to act and planes bombed. Afterwards there were big problems, yet Clinton set up the smart framework so that the area would be secure, safe and free from dictators or terrorists again. Clinton also done good in parts of Asia, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.

Now take our idiot Bush, all fight but no brains instead of finding the evil Binladen and his Taliban friends Bush is off causing trouble in the Iraq. Meanwhile N-Korea is building long range Nukes that reach the west coast and Iran has a real WMD program. Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong and this might be why it's now growing in Iraq, a place where Al-Quaida could not have existed some months ago as Saddam used to hatethem and other religious radicals. It seems Bush has plenty of bravado and fight in him, but no brains and tactics and no idea about peace, and security or winning the war.

There is no doubt these islamic extremists are evil and they should be killed for what they have done. However not respond by bombing a city
let's catch them , put them on trial and shoot them.

The worst thing Russia could do is play this like Bush has done, by pinning it on some other random city ( Baghdad-Iraq ) . When I speak of Clinton or Bush I don't just mean the presidents but the advisors and administartion which surrounds. Is Bush smart enough to win peace and security or are the terrorists coming back and more people going to die ?


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
SIG, get some help really. It's sad to see you change and deliberately misrepresent what others say to suit yourself. It's called delusion and you suffer it's affects. We here have demonstrably laid it out for you to see over and over again. It's has been pointed out in post after post that what you claim is not what has been said. In post after post that what you claim only applies to certain entities and not others. That in post after post the cut and pasted facts you present have been altered to reflect what you want it to reflect. In post after post you deny what is true even though it is indisputable.



That would refer to you.

I've had you (and your idiot friends) say, over and over, that I said that Russian wasn't involved in/ helping Novorussia. Not true. what I said was that Russia hadn't INVADED Ukraine. I found myself repeating a list of six or seven activities that I thought Russia was involved in that didn't amount- IMHO- to an invasion. I think I repeated that list at least four times. No matter how many times I repeated it (and pointed out that I was repeating it) it never seemed to "take".

You've said, more than once, that I keep defending Russia in MH17. Not true. What I've said - many times, and for more than that event - to wait for EVIDENCE to be gathered. The Syrian sarin attack was another recent example. You have to get more than just Twitter-feed or Bellingcrap, there is real physical evidence (residues, interviews, autopsies etc) to be collected. Don't jump to conclusions.

Even in this thread, http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60157 where I said that the attacks worked in everyone's favor except ISIL,
Quote:

By engaging in terrorism against - well, everybody ... Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Lebanese, Russians, French, Egyptians (ETA: now Germans) etc ... they've painted a very large target on their backs!
you and your idiot friend GSTRING twisted that into implying that now everyone except ISIL was under my suspicion. Man, I can't dream up a more cowardly and underhanded way of disagreeing with somebody.

You just don't KNOW how to discuss anything, do you? You opine. When someone disagrees, you can find neither logic nor evidence to support you POV. Instead you resort to name-calling and lying.

ETA: And since you started posting here, nothing has changed, You were an idiot then, and you've learned nothing since.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58149

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:24 AM

THGRRI


Even in your above post SIG you are misrepresenting the context in which you posted your opinions.

Context; "The parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning." You post things where you say it doesn't make sense for someone to have done something yet you can't get the notion out of your head that they did. You do this to accuse, deflect, post subjectively, etc.

Misrepresent; distort, falsify, belie share the sense of presenting information in a way that does not accord with the truth. Misrepresent usually involves a deliberate intention to deceive.


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I read the title and it seemed --- confused. "Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack" Which Muslims? All Muslims? That's as biased as hating all Muslims. All Muslims except the radical ones? What about the Muslim countries of Indonesia and Malaysia, where government is officially based on a forceful practice of Islam? Maybe we should only cut domesticated Muslims some slack, Muslims in small enough numbers who are tame enough to not actually affect anyone else's way of life. Or maybe we need to just cut the Muslims some slack if they're nominally our allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, no matter how much radical Islam violence and death they fund around the globe ...

I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

OTOH an endless blanket Muslim whitewash that you seem to propose as an alternative, or some other mindless reaction, is just as pointless. Especially because you seem to be proposing it to silence discussion of particulars. - KIKI
I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you. - THUGR



Why??? I think you did an excellent job of explaining yourself already!

Quote:

"Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack"

I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates as the gentlemen in the video describes as the death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video it's 18 minutes, and give this guys views some consideration.

Followed by some guy's video who thinks we need to reach peace through better understanding otherwise we get into a death-spiral of "negativity".

Yanno what??? We're ALREADY in a "death-spiral of negativity" with these radical jihadists. They've taken the part of the Q'uran that gives them license to murder, torture, and terrorize, and they're using it to justify their actions. IF you want to "understand" them, just watch their videos.

And I agree with WISH .... there are parts of almost EVERY religion that can be used to justify murdering "the other". In fact, you can have religious intolerance in even traditionally tolerant and inclusive religions, like the upswing in Hindu religiously-motivated killings.

We don't base our murderous ways on Xtianity anymore ... we tend to justify our killing with words like "freedom" and "democracy" and "right to protect". But except for the excuses that we use, we do the same, if not worse: all you have to do is COUNT THE BODIES. If you want to devise a system of ethics that makes sense, come up with one that applies to the USA as well as the jihadists.


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:28 AM

THGRRI


Sensible people are trying to put the brakes on and point out to those not sure of what is happening, that the haters are actively engaged on both sides and the way forward is in not joining them.

So, you disagree with what JANYZTOWN posted in 2004 then?

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Even in your above post SIG you are misrepresenting the context in which you posted your opinions.

Context; "The parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning." You post things where you say it doesn't make sense for someone to have done something yet you can't get the notion out of your head that they did. You do this to accuse, deflect, post subjectively, etc.

Misrepresent; distort, falsify, belie share the sense of presenting information in a way that does not accord with the truth. Misrepresent usually involves a deliberate intention to deceive.

The "context" that you're referring to is the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD. I say one thing, but you hear another. You react violently to what you THINK I'm saying, and impute all sorts of opinions, background etc to me that don't belong- to the point of assuming that I'm not American, that I must be a Russian troll! Speaking of being delusional ... Maybe if you stopped reacting to the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD you would be able to respond to what I'm actually writing. So far, you haven't managed!

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sensible people are trying to put the brakes on and point out to those not sure of what is happening, that the haters are actively engaged on both sides and the way forward is in not joining them.
Yes, haters are actively engaged on both sides.

However, when a group is actively targeting you is not the time to stand up with a generic call for peace, because you lose credibility. People are quite naturally frightened. What you need to do is accurately identify who the group is that's targeting you, and then come up with a realistic plan for defense.

I noticed that when the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came up, and the destruction of Libya, there were no such calls (from you) for cutting "the Muslims" some slack. Why is that? ( I have my opinion, but it's unkind and off-topic.) Because, if we had cut "the Muslims" some slack back then we would not be facing a monster now.

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:20 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Even in your above post SIG you are misrepresenting the context in which you posted your opinions.

Context; "The parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning." You post things where you say it doesn't make sense for someone to have done something yet you can't get the notion out of your head that they did. You do this to accuse, deflect, post subjectively, etc.

Misrepresent; distort, falsify, belie share the sense of presenting information in a way that does not accord with the truth. Misrepresent usually involves a deliberate intention to deceive.

The "context" that you're referring to is the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD. I say one thing, but you hear another. You react violently to what you THINK I'm saying, and impute all sorts of opinions, background etc to me that don't belong- to the point of assuming that I'm not American, that I must be a Russian troll! Speaking of being delusional ... Maybe if you stopped reacting to the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD you would be able to respond to what I'm actually writing. So far, you haven't managed!

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My assertion wins out here over yours SIG because many here challenge you and what you post as being wrong headed. Only you and 1kiki would dispute this so trying to change your opinion is senseless.


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

My assertion wins out here over yours SIG because many here challenge you and what you post as being wrong headed. Only you and 1kiki would dispute this so trying to change your opinion is senseless.
First of all, I'm not sure that truth is decided by agreement. A billion flies eat shit, but it's still shit. And as far as I can tell, the "many" is just you and GSTRING and KPO.

Secondly, you don't even KNOW what my opinion is! You keep reacting to things I haven't said. Stop the voices in your head, respond to WHAT I WRITE, not what you THINK I write or who you THINK I am. Stay on-topic. Stop the name-calling. Find evidence for your opinions. Be prepared to argue it logically. We'll get along a lot better that way!

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:40 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Sensible people are trying to put the brakes on and point out to those not sure of what is happening, that the haters are actively engaged on both sides and the way forward is in not joining them.
Yes, haters are actively engaged on both sides.

However, when a group is actively targeting you is not the time to stand up with a generic call for peace, because you lose credibility. People are quite naturally frightened. What you need to do is accurately identify who the group is that's targeting you, and then come up with a realistic plan for defense.

I noticed that when the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came up, and the destruction of Libya, there were no such calls (from you) for cutting "the Muslims" some slack. Why is that? ( I have my opinion, but it's unkind and off-topic.) Because, if we had cut "the Muslims" some slack back then we would not be facing a monster now.




SIG
Yes, haters are actively engaged on both sides.

However, when a group is actively targeting you is not the time to stand up with a generic call for peace, because you lose credibility. People are quite naturally frightened. What you need to do is accurately identify who the group is that's targeting you, and then come up with a realistic plan for defense.

Me
You say I am generic (nonspecific) in my call for calmer heads to prevail. That’s because you have not read with honest consideration who and what I am defending. That would be the many innocent refugees. I have never suggested this mass migration was a desired outcome of mine, but the attacks have been unfair, cruel and based on fear.
As for Al Quade, DAESH, or Boko Haram who killed more than DAESH this year, Hezbollah, Iran and whomever promotes terrorism, I and completely against them.

Sig
I noticed that when the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came up, and the destruction of Libya, there were no such calls (from you) for cutting "the Muslims" some slack. Why is that? ( I have my opinion, but it's unkind and off-topic.) Because, if we had cut "the Muslims" some slack back then we would not be facing a monster now.

Me
That’s because you cannot distinguish between governments and its people, I can. In all the instances you mention we fought alongside Muslims.




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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:43 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

My assertion wins out here over yours SIG because many here challenge you and what you post as being wrong headed. Only you and 1kiki would dispute this so trying to change your opinion is senseless.
First of all, I'm not sure that truth is decided by agreement. A billion flies eat shit, but it's still shit. And as far as I can tell, the "many" is just you and GSTRING and KPO.

Secondly, you don't even KNOW what my opinion is! You keep reacting to things I haven't said. Stop the voices in your head, respond to WHAT I WRITE, not what you THINK I write or who you THINK I am. Stay on-topic. Stop the name-calling. Find evidence for your opinions. Be prepared to argue it logically. We'll get along a lot better that way!

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Sig

A billion flies eat shit, but it's still shit.

Me

Yes, but it's honey to them.

Now, do you disagree with JAYNZTIOWN's 2004 post about Muslims?


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:53 PM

THGRRI




"Dumb Hicks Are America's Greatest Threat

Many of America’s political leaders are warning of the dangers posed by Syrian refugees. They are underestimating, though, the much greater danger: dumbass hicks, in charge of things.

First of all, Roanoke is a real shit hole, and so is Jacksonville. No refugees want to go there anyhow. Don’t flatter yourselves.

Second of all, you, our elected officials, are embarrassing us. All of us, except your fellow dumb hicks, who voted for you in large numbers. You—our racist, xenophobic, knuckle-dragging ignorant leaders—are making us look bad in front of the guests (the whole world). You are the bad cousin in the family who always ruins Thanksgiving. Go in the back room and drink a can of beer alone please.

The important thing I want to communicate to the world is: these are dumb hicks. Many Southern mayors are dumb hicks. Many lesser known state representatives are dumb hicks. The governor of Texas has traditionally been, with notable exceptions, a dumb hick. It is wrong to think that our political leaders should be smarter than us. In fact, they are roughly as smart as the people who elect them—us, a nation that boasts large and coherent pockets of dumbass hicks, running things."

http://gawker.com/dumb-hicks-are-americas-greatest-threat-1743373893


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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey Thgrri,

I've worked with a few Muslims and non-Muslim people from Eastern countries back when I had a good job. In a way, you're right on the money. I never once considered any of them to be "terrorists", even though I knew most of them were learning my job to take back to their superiors at the SAME COMPANY so the SAME COMPANY could lay me and my friends off and pay them 1/10th what we got paid, which in the end is EXACTLY what happened.

Even knowing that, I wasn't mad at them personally. It was business. It's just the world we live in. They were VERY fluent in at least 2 languages. I wasn't. I could only imagine where I'd be and how much money I'd be making if I could speak their language as well as they spoke mine while they were here and I still had a good job...

I remember eating lunch one day outside cause it was a beautiful day and Harish came and sat down next to me. Everyone else we worked with called him "Harry", but I always called people by their given names out of respect. I'd get pissed if somebody at work called me "Jacky Boy"...

He was eating a burger from McDonalds! I said something like "WTF dude! I know most of that is made of soy, but aren't you eating your God?" or something along those lines.

He just laughed at me and said that just because he came from India doesn't mean he believes in all that bullshit.

I laughed harder than I remember laughing in a long time when he said that. Not because what he said was that funny in itself, but because it was funny and it opened my mind to ideas of how things are that I'd never considered before.



I think we need to do something to "curb" childbirth in this planet to ensure the future of the species, but I believe that even at nearly 7 billion Mother Earth can still take care of all of us, and for those of us who aren't power hungry and/or insane there is still plenty to go around.

Free Your Mind...



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THUGGR

"I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you."

Why does JAYNEZTOWN need to explain YOUR post, THUGGR? When you say 'we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack', who do YOU mean?




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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THUGGR

"I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you."

Why does JAYNEZTOWN need to explain YOUR post, THUGGR? When you say 'we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack', who do YOU mean?



Get a six your old to explain it to you.


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Friday, November 20, 2015 12:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, do you have a problem explaining your own post?




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Friday, November 20, 2015 2:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:


"Dumb Hicks Are America's Greatest Threat"



See...

When I see ignorant posts like this by supposed "Progressives" it just makes me laugh.

By "Dumb Hicks", of course you mean any white male who happens to stand up in today's "Progressive" society and say BULLSHIT!

I don't know if you're male or female, white or black or any of the colors in between, but YOU, my friend, are a racist.

For all I know you're just some sad, impotent white apologist living in his mama's basement, but whatever way you spin it you're still profiling racially.


I'm the first guy to admit that the guys in power over the last 200 years have done a fairly shitty job manning the ship and I have no disillusions that a majority of those men were privileged white males.

Being a non-privileged white male who has grown up with a litany of impossible struggles to overcome to get to this sad-sack of mediocrity I currently find myself in, I'm REALLY starting to get pissed off at the general media-driven hatred towards white males in this country, and I ESPECIALLY don't have any time for white male apologists if that's what you are.

Don't you fucking dare blame me or "my people" that Obama wasn't the hope and change he promised. White or Black, he was doomed from the start. We couldn't even begin to imagine the "reality check" a president has to go through on his first week in office after all those promises he or she made to get there....

Look back at my posts here 10 years ago. Sure, I always come at things with a slightly "Conservative" perspective, but long before Obama was president I must have said that Bush Jr. was the worst president we had no less than 100 times on this site.


There are actually a LOT of GOOD white males living in this country that SHOULD voice their opinion.... but they are afraid to.

At the VERY LEAST, they'll just be dismissed and labled as "white trash" by the likes of you. If they actually have good points and want to get into politics one day though, they'll never make it because somebody will "Watergate" them and drudge up every single demon they ever had in their past and give the world the microscope to dissect him with.


We all got skeletons in our closets THGRRI. Though not proudly, I happen to wear mine on my sleeve with my drinking.

What is it that you're hiding while you sit there all smug and high and mighty upon your perch and judge everyone else?

What is it that you do when you "know" nobody else is watching?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 20, 2015 11:16 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:


"Dumb Hicks Are America's Greatest Threat"



See...

When I see ignorant posts like this by supposed "Progressives" it just makes me laugh.

By "Dumb Hicks", of course you mean any white male who happens to stand up in today's "Progressive" society and say BULLSHIT!

I don't know if you're male or female, white or black or any of the colors in between, but YOU, my friend, are a racist.

For all I know you're just some sad, impotent white apologist living in his mama's basement, but whatever way you spin it you're still profiling racially.


I'm the first guy to admit that the guys in power over the last 200 years have done a fairly shitty job manning the ship and I have no disillusions that a majority of those men were privileged white males.

Being a non-privileged white male who has grown up with a litany of impossible struggles to overcome to get to this sad-sack of mediocrity I currently find myself in, I'm REALLY starting to get pissed off at the general media-driven hatred towards white males in this country, and I ESPECIALLY don't have any time for white male apologists if that's what you are.

Don't you fucking dare blame me or "my people" that Obama wasn't the hope and change he promised. White or Black, he was doomed from the start. We couldn't even begin to imagine the "reality check" a president has to go through on his first week in office after all those promises he or she made to get there....

Look back at my posts here 10 years ago. Sure, I always come at things with a slightly "Conservative" perspective, but long before Obama was president I must have said that Bush Jr. was the worst president we had no less than 100 times on this site.


There are actually a LOT of GOOD white males living in this country that SHOULD voice their opinion.... but they are afraid to.

At the VERY LEAST, they'll just be dismissed and labled as "white trash" by the likes of you. If they actually have good points and want to get into politics one day though, they'll never make it because somebody will "Watergate" them and drudge up every single demon they ever had in their past and give the world the microscope to dissect him with.


We all got skeletons in our closets THGRRI. Though not proudly, I happen to wear mine on my sleeve with my drinking.

What is it that you're hiding while you sit there all smug and high and mighty upon your perch and judge everyone else?

What is it that you do when you "know" nobody else is watching?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I'm white myself. No sorry if I offended you 6IXSTRINGJACK. I posted that without much thought because it was late. It was funny and immediately made me think of the far right nuts and to be honest, the many bigots that exist in the Republican party. It was a shot at those posting here labeling all refugees as bad while shitting themselves at the thought of them coming here.

There is a story at ABC I believe about Al Qaeda THAT HAVE come into America with refugees. It's not a pleasant thought but getting out of bed in the morning is a risk.



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Friday, November 20, 2015 1:34 PM

THGRRI


G
There are a lot of blanket assumptions being made both ways T.

Me

Not on this site G, it has been pretty one sided with JAYNZTOWN posting videos on every thread. Videos meant to sway people towards intolerance. I have seen little resistance to that here. Russia is now up to its neck in this so our local comrade trolls are actively spreading Putin’s agenda and it is not refugee friendly. Shit, Putin’s killing everything that walks that is not an Assad follower and no gripes from them. In fact just the opposite. They can hardly contain their pride in Russia acting like our own cowboy Bush.

G

I don't hate Muslims but I think it unwise to allow tens of thousands of Syrian or other refugees into this country at this time WITHOUT vetting the shit out of them. I've never been a Paul Ryan fan, but think there's some merit to his bill (I admit I have not read it).

Me

I’m not a fan of anyone (Ryan) who benefited the way he did from government programs only to want to shut them down when he was of an age where he had to pay taxes to support them. As for vetting the refugees I say fuck yeah; thoroughly. Right now it’s an 18 month to 2 year process. I don’t know what’s in the bill but the Republican rhetoric is a complete about face from what we stand for and it is scaring the world.

G

Unfortunately people will assume (with the help of cnn) that it's racist or anti-muslim, and no doubt the anti-muslim people will approve of any deterrent, even if it's just buying more time. But it seems like simple common sense to me. We can be made to look bad either way, so I'd prefer the looking bad because we were too cautious way.

Me

Bill Clinton: I’d rather look strong and be wrong then be right and look weak.

I agree with your assessment on the way the news works G. I have seen my stance on the illegal immigration problem in this country declared bigoted. However what I find myself doing on these threads is defending what America stands for, and is trying to accomplish going forward. I do this rather than going into depth about how I feel concerning each situation myself. This is because of the way others go about expressing their concerns that are classless, and based on hate. Not legitimate concerns but instead hidden agendas of hate permeating legitimate concerns.

Bush separated out the terrorists from Islam. He reminded the country what we stood for as a nation and he did that as often as he could. With this countries values constantly under attack from the likes of SIG and 1kiki I post back addressing the attacks. Right, but compared to what, Russia I’ll say. Give me a break. Yeah but compared to Assad in Syria or the Ayatollah in Iran that you two always protect, give me a break. They are not honest brokers of the topics they post about so posting back about the topic is difficult. I feel the real issue is their agenda and not so much the topic.

Then there are the oblivious bigots we have here, yes I mean oblivious. At this late date in their lives it is foolish to think they will reevaluate their thinking from what they believed in the past. Add to that they continually take stances that are completely politicized and based on a superior sense of self. Rather than go into who they are I will let that play out in my responses to their posts as I always have.

I have many concerns in common with you G. There are just not enough honest brokers here to discuss them with in an objective fashion. As I have said, honesty and the lack of an agenda are two of the reasons why I appreciate your input here.



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Friday, November 20, 2015 2:20 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


A pedophile network, a secret society operates between Saudi, California, Qatar, UAE, London, Dubai....hopefully group like Anonymous hashtag # OpDeatheaters exposes it on twitter and facebook in the next month

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/258279/hamas-linked-cair-rep-arrested-
pedophilia-robert-spencer


http://humanevents.com/2014/09/08/muslims-sexually-enslaving-children-
a-global-phenomenon
/

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2015/02/the-epidemic-tragedy-of-muslim
-child-brides.html


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1084346/pg1

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-epidemic-levels-of-pedophilia-ch
ild-sex-trafficking/article/2569241


http://awdnews.com/top-news/video-saudi-pedophiles-are-buying-syrian-c
hildren-in-jordan-border


https://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/tehmina-kazi/facing-up-to-bitter-tr
uths-rotherham-child-sex-exploitation-cases





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Friday, November 20, 2015 2:56 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
A pedophile network, a secret society operates between Saudi, California, Qatar, UAE, London, Dubai....hopefully group like Anonymous hashtag # OpDeatheaters exposes it on twitter and facebook in the next month






I followed your links and you know what I found, more proof or your agenda. It's easy to do, just look at the other stories they are covering and how they are doing so. This shows if they have an agenda and if it is repeatedly posted in thread after thread, it's the posters agenda as well.

We here have had to much experience with SIG and 1kiki to not be up date on ways of finding out someone's agenda. Again, nothing more than an attack on Muslims and a pro right wing Russia agenda.

Sell it some place else, no bites here except the usual suspects.


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Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:34 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Fuck Six, that was well put. I have met a few Muslims in my life, and I never got the impression that they were holed up in some basement plotting the next jihad bombing. But I did get a feeling that they weren't happy as to their treatment in
the good ole USA.

BTW, I'm with you on the whole "proper" name thing. Unless that person says to me
call me by my nickname, I'm going to call him by his proper name, out of respect.
I hated when people would call me or use the word "Hey Pay-dro" or "Mee-ra" or Ramon. I would ignore them. Funny thing is, they would get mad when I did that.
Fuck 'em.

We need to just leave people the fuck alone, and not pay any attention to the nutjobs calling for a special DNA testing to determine if they're terrorists.
Imagine this country letting only Catholics in.........what a fucking mess.
We'd be saying Hail Mary's all day long.............ha, ha!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Thgrri,

I've worked with a few Muslims and non-Muslim people from Eastern countries back when I had a good job. In a way, you're right on the money. I never once considered any of them to be "terrorists", even though I knew most of them were learning my job to take back to their superiors at the SAME COMPANY so the SAME COMPANY could lay me and my friends off and pay them 1/10th what we got paid, which in the end is EXACTLY what happened.

Even knowing that, I wasn't mad at them personally. It was business. It's just the world we live in. They were VERY fluent in at least 2 languages. I wasn't. I could only imagine where I'd be and how much money I'd be making if I could speak their language as well as they spoke mine while they were here and I still had a good job...

I remember eating lunch one day outside cause it was a beautiful day and Harish came and sat down next to me. Everyone else we worked with called him "Harry", but I always called people by their given names out of respect. I'd get pissed if somebody at work called me "Jacky Boy"...

He was eating a burger from McDonalds! I said something like "WTF dude! I know most of that is made of soy, but aren't you eating your God?" or something along those lines.

He just laughed at me and said that just because he came from India doesn't mean he believes in all that bullshit.

I laughed harder than I remember laughing in a long time when he said that. Not because what he said was that funny in itself, but because it was funny and it opened my mind to ideas of how things are that I'd never considered before.



I think we need to do something to "curb" childbirth in this planet to ensure the future of the species, but I believe that even at nearly 7 billion Mother Earth can still take care of all of us, and for those of us who aren't power hungry and/or insane there is still plenty to go around.

Free Your Mind...



Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:45 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


BTW, as an aside..................thanks for the En Vogue video - Free Your Mind!

I forgot how talented they were. They laid the groundwork for Destiny's Child and
Beyonce. What I particularly liked about them is that they stuck together as a
group. They were the shit back then, and mighty fine too!


SGG

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