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Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:49 PM

MIKER

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:14 PM

CHRISISALL


I'm again sensing the presence of a sock puppet.... but it can't be...
can it?

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:19 PM

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:28 PM

OONJERAH



I wasn't paying attention back then, nor ever thought much about him,
but I am fairly certain I never heard anyone say that Nixon was innocent.
He was a huge embarrassment. ... Please don't twist my meaning.

Since Chris uses the Enterprise, you must be complaining about my pic of
Morgan Freeman. He's my Avatar, not representing myself. Many folks put
someone or thing they admire as their avatar.

I'm fairly sure you're no one's sockpuppet. However, you are a Troll and
seriously OCD. You oughta look to that.

As for Chris, he's an original. He never goes along to get along.



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Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:42 PM

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:11 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Boy has your argument changed form something tangible to something out of desperation.

I'm sorry MIKER, but this is a classic AURaptor line. Don't sound like him if you don't want to be associated with him.
The fact is that Nixon was pardoned of crimes NOT YET PROVEN. I don't give a toss about what a pardon legally consists of, the law was BENT a little there. Happens all the time. Deal with it. He wasn't impeached, and going on like this in the face of the facts makes it seem like you are just Rappy tryin' to sound like a negatively-charged, anti-matter version of himself out to test the waters of politically fueled debate from the other side.
I was fully prepared to believe I was in error, as you plainly saw.
You need to consider yourself possibly capable of error too.

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:17 PM

MIKER

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
many have the opinion I do about Nixon.

This boils down to facts, not opinions. Once we can separate them, and you find yourself unable to argue your belief coherently you have to concede lest you look like a Raptor trying like Hell to make gold out of lead.

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:40 PM

MIKER

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
It is my facts that hold up. You can not change the definition of a word like pardon to suit you needs.

Then you ARE Rappy... or a clone... my god, this is an abomination!! Cloning AURaptor?!?!?!?!? That's the work of an evil mastermind bent on destroying the fabric of our great country!!
"The Liberals in the US will be slaughtered. Then we will overrun the Moderates. Then the Socialist god will fall. Then the Anarchist god will be cast down and forgotten. Soon NeoCon Ma will rule the world."

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:54 PM

MIKER

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:58 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Now your post is a good example of OCD. Thanks for making my point about that valid.

Game's up. Fuck you, Rappy.

OOps, sorry you're 'outed'.

AND, just in case I'm wrong, you're just as stupid & self aggrandizing as the real thing, so... heh heh, whatever.

I'm a bad man.

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:59 PM

MIKER

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:44 PM

OONJERAH



Sorry, Chris, but I don't think Rappy really deserves this.
I mean, their only really common trait is the persistent denial of
well-known proven facts. OK. That & seeing his own hostility in
all who disagree.

But Miker's more inclined to attack by misrepresenting what was said.
.
.
.
Lemme see now ...
Au's last post to you was at 10:42 p.m., new answer to everything!
& Miker has one in here at 10:40 p.m. That's pretty quick.



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Reminder to self: Change Sig at least twice more tonight. :)

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:49 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.

What don't I get Ric, that you're an idiot? I played this game too, and like Inara said, you can't play a player.
..unless you kiss me...
BUT THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ONLINE!!! Hahahahahaha!

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Sorry, Chris, but I don't think Rappy really deserves this.

Sorry Shepherd, but sermons make me sleepy.

Heh, you nailed it though!

Rappy sure is a squirrelly one. Got to hand it to him. An Operative, real and whole (hole-?)

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:08 AM

MIKER

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.

What don't I get Ric, that you're an idiot? I played this game too, and like Inara said, you can't play a player.
..unless you kiss me...
BUT THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ONLINE!!! Hahahahahaha!


LOL! Playing the Inara card? You really are a cruel bastard!

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:12 AM

MIKER

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:14 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Playing the Inara card? You really are a cruel bastard!

That I am.

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:15 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Forgive me for not folding under the pressure of being come at by those of you who

Oh, stop.

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:19 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Forgive me for not folding under the pressure of being come at by those of you who live on these threads like a wolf pack. Every thread, every day. Sad for you.



You're forgiven. ... Truly, I'd hate to see you leave.



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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
You're forgiven. ... Truly, I'd hate to see you leave.

Your sarcasm is delicious, dude.;)

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:46 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
You're forgiven. ... Truly, I'd hate to see you leave.

Your sarcasm is delicious, dude.;)



Are you havin' fun, Dude? If so, it's more truth than sarcasm. :)



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Monday, May 19, 2014 8:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

House Judiciary Committee can't impeach.
The House of Representatives didn't make haste to approve the Articles.
The House of Representatives can't impeach someone who is no longer a
federal employee, i.e., the EX-president.
Had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment was a near certainty.
O -- the Devil is in the Details.
Why do a lot of Olders call him "Tricky Dick"?



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Not sure about that non-employee part.

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Monday, May 19, 2014 10:21 PM

OONJERAH



From Wiki FWIW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#Officials_subject_to_impeachm
ent


Impeachment is a formal process in which an official is accused
of unlawful activity, the outcome of which, depending on the country,
may include the removal of that official from office as well as criminal
or civil punishment.

Officials subject to impeachment:
The central question regarding the Constitutional dispute about the
impeachment of members of the legislature is whether members of
Congress are officers of the United States. The Constitution grants
the House the power to impeach "The President, the Vice President,
and all civil Officers of the United States." It has been suggested that
members of Congress are not officers of the United States. Others,
however, believe that members are civil officers and are subject to
impeachment.

Process:
At the federal level, the impeachment process is a two-step procedure.
The House of Representatives must first pass, by a simple majority of
those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute
the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has
been "impeached". Next, the Senate tries the accused.



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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:21 AM

MIKER

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:30 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
or the person I am debating with hates America.



Quote:

Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.


You keep dropping lines that set off the rappy alarm... For a guy denying a connection, you have a surprising habit of repeating his phrasing.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:46 PM

MIKER

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Look, I don't even care if you're Rappy or not, just read the bullshit you write:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
it tickles me how some of you use what I post to attack him also. Every thread, every day. And as for you Jongsstraw almost all comments posted by you a little more that insulting and demeaning to whom ever you are replying to. Don't believe me go back and read your own words. Your are a very sad individual.

As for you others it is time to get back to the stroke fest. Tell each other how much you love each other and how wonderful you each are. So, so , sad.

And your intro blog says you have the utmost respect for your shipmates... blog, two sentences. This is a created character, pure & simple.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:23 PM

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:40 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

That's because you see ghosts.



Or I am capable of recognizing a pattern, both in language usage, and whiney behavior.

I agree with Chris - a constructed persona.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:57 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

It's not bull if it is accurate, which it is.



Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.
Thanks.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:17 PM

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

^ Maybe not.

"The House Judiciary Committee usually sends the greatest number of
substantive bills to the House Floor each year."

One of the things the HJC does is, it composes & proposes New Laws.
When they create a new bill and send it to the House for discussion &
ratification, it says much the same as it will when it's voted in or voted
down. A bill is a proposed law with no power to enforce anything.

The HJC wrote in present tense, "RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon,
President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and
misdemeanours ..." It wasn't a Law when it went to the floor on July
30th. It wasn't a law even on 9 Aug 1974, when Nixon resigned. ...
It was a suggestion.



He plead guilty to the charges because they were going forward with the impeachment.


Incorrect. He never plead guilty, because he was not guilty. On the other hand, you are now contradicting yourself, having claimed all this time that he was Impeached, and now you are saying he was going to be Impeached, which indicates you understand that he was not Impeached.
Quote:


There is no pardon without an admission of guilt to the charges.


Also incorrect. Ford administered an unconditional pardon to prevent further long drawn out political battle. There was no admission of guilt, because he knew he wasn't guilty. The pardon was pre-emptive.
Quote:


The charges were in the Articles of Impeachment.


You mean the proposed, suggested, presented, considered, discussed Articles. Only one Article had substance, and was only going to get near passage due to the 243-192 Democrat majority (242 Dems, 1 Independent voting as Democrat). It was only trumped up to a Committee vote based on hearsay and there was no truth to the claims. Nixon did finally admit that he should have dealt with the problem which did occur more forcefully, but he only found out about it after the event occurred.
The second and third Articles essentially say that if the First is found true, then Nixon did not notify proper authorities that the claims in the First Article did occur. These are merely piling on, as soon as the First Article is found baseless, the other 2 collapse completely. This is because, as Nixon knew, he could not have notified anybody about something which didn't happen. Also note that these 2 Articles required more arm-twisting of the Committee, barely passed out of Committee, and took more days to get a majority vote from the Committee.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
He plead guilty to the charges because they were going forward with the impeachment. You do not get to plead guilty and then suggest it never happened.



No one said it didn't happen. At least 2 of his staff went to prison.




Incorrect. He never said it happened. Two of his staff went to prison for what they did. Not the same as Nixon doing something.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
So is it safe to say we can put this to bed JSF, you seem to have lost all your supporters?


No. Just because some can be swayed by hyped up lies, does not mean I forsake the truth. Lack of support does not mean I succumb to falsehoods and failed logic based upon incorrect assumption or claims.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Jeeeesh .... what a bunch of dumb-ass buffoons!

There's all this mental masterbation here, and then there are historical facts.

It's simple research ... ONLY 2 U.S. Presidents have ever been impeached. They are Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. In BOTH cases the U.S. Senate acquitted them after a trial of the charges. Johnson was saved from removal by only one vote.

Nixon was never impeached, and he never plead guilty to anything. He resigned instead. He was later pardoned by Ford as protection against any future charges for crimes he may have committed.


A voice of reason amidst a cacophony of nincompoops.
Although, "BOTH cases" should actually be "ALL THREE cases".

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Jeeeesh .... what a bunch of dumb-ass buffoons!

There's all this mental masterbation here, and then there are historical facts.

It's simple research ... ONLY 2 U.S. Presidents have ever been impeached. They are Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. In BOTH cases the U.S. Senate acquitted them after a trial of the charges. Johnson was saved from removal by only one vote.

Nixon was never impeached, and he never plead guilty to anything. He resigned instead. He was later pardoned by Ford as protection against any future charges for crimes he may have committed.




He was being impeached and plead guilty, what is it you don't get. I don't care what Wikipedia says or answers dot com. In school our professors do not want us to use those sites for research because they are in many cases not accurate. The impeachment process and charges against him ended with his guilty plea and not before. You can not be pardoned for the not committing a crime or not having been found guilty of said crime.

You are saying he was pardoned for something he had not been found guilty of by the courts or by his own admittance. Not possible:)


You are correct about the accuracy of websites, which use fluid facts. Use Congressional Quarterly instead. Get your facts.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
A pre-emptive pardon?


Whoa!
The breezy logic swaying in the wind accidentally ventures into real facts.
I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, so how many posts before this one sways back to being convinced the lies are truths?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
You guys made me read too much!!!

Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment proceedings. Ford pardoned him from prosecution for any illegal activities HE MAY HAVE PERFORMED OR BEEN PARTY TO.

Bottom line: no he was not impeached.

No crow for me!



Nixon new by accepting the pardon he was admitting guilt. He accepted the charges in the Article of Impeachment without exception. I don't care if he was in China a freeman when he did so. By accepting guilt he completed the Impeachment process. First the Articles of Impeachment were drawn up. They were voted on to proceed. When he accepted the pardon he jumped that process to its end. The final outcome, his guilt.


Gee whiz, NOW who is jumping at straws?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Thanks, Jongs!

I don't understand the part about bein' pardoned for crimes not yet held against him.
And I'm not willing to dig for it.

But if I do think back, that Prom was a very long dance. A lotta people doin'
a lot of steps, most of them behind the curtain.

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
~Mark Twain




Right and all those dances revolved around the fact that Nixon would be accepting guilt if the pardon was to be issued. The democrats insisted that he did and made sure to suggest that in the press. No guilt, no pardon. Can't be done.

Merriam Webster, "Pardon; an act of officially saying that someone who was judged to be guilty of a crime will be allowed to go free and will not be punished".

"Who was judged to be guilty of a crime"....."Who was judged to be guilty of a crime".

Guilty of what, all the charges in the Articles of Impeachment. Even Gerald Ford can't change the definition in the dictionary and deem a pardon something it is not. A pardon by its very nature is given to show forgiveness for a crime. In other words, you have to admit a crime has taken place to offer it and in Nixon's case admitting to a crime in accepting it.

Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson

I see you gave up on just wanting a cookie.


Sorry, Merriam Webster did not write the Constitution of The United States of America.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm again sensing the presence of a sock puppet.... but it can't be...
can it?


You are admitting that MIKER is your newest sick puppet? You being the only poster known to have made sock puppet.
Well, this certainly explains a lot.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Boy has your argument changed form something tangible to something out of desperation.

I'm sorry MIKER, but this is a classic AURaptor line. Don't sound like him if you don't want to be associated with him.
The fact is that Nixon was pardoned of crimes NOT YET PROVEN. I don't give a toss about what a pardon legally consists of, the law was BENT a little there. Happens all the time. Deal with it. He wasn't impeached, and going on like this in the face of the facts makes it seem like you are just Rappy tryin' to sound like a negatively-charged, anti-matter version of himself out to test the waters of politically fueled debate from the other side.
I was fully prepared to believe I was in error, as you plainly saw.
You need to consider yourself possibly capable of error too.


Who is this and what did he do with chrissisall? This makes too much sense for the real chrisisall to post, plus he is correct and has valid points.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:34 PM

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:37 PM

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Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:41 PM

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Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:03 PM

MIKER

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Since there has been no rebuttal to my last posts, and I see some of you posting elsewhere, along with the thread count suggesting more than 100 views today, I will consider this matter closed.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
A pre-emptive pardon?


Whoa!
The breezy logic swaying in the wind accidentally ventures into real facts.
I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, so how many posts before this one sways back to being convinced the lies are truths?


OK, now I've caught up to this point, which was the end of the thread at that point.
I feel obligated to mention that I was incorrect to assume or suggest that chris would sway back to the fantasy and faulty logic. He has restrained himself from then til now. Good show. Whether he accomplished that solely to prove me wrong or not is irrelevant, the achievement was made.

You could conjure that was, like, an apology, man.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:30 PM

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