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Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July

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UPDATED: Saturday, April 26, 2014 09:30
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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:29 PM

AURAPTOR

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Gee, if ONLY someone had said this sort of thing is what would happen if marriage was redefined.

Quote:



The world's only 'married' lesbian threesome are expecting their first child.
Doll, Kitten and Brynn, from Massachusetts, were joined together in a marriage-style ceremony last August and are expecting a daughter in July.
Kitten, 27, is pregnant after undergoing IVF treatment using an anonymous sperm donor, and the trio eventually plan to have three children - one for each of them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-
lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl5f6A3f





If only we could have known...

Oh, wait. We DID!

Ha!

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:39 PM

REAVERFAN


The third member of this "marriage" is not legally wed to either of the other two. She was "handfasted," which can count as a legal marriage for two, but not three people.

Whether multiple marriage partners should be legal or not is another discussion.




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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


There has been nothing stiopping people living in a variety of relationships, including multi partner, multi/single gender. the only issue is really about its about what happens legally with these kinds of relationships? DO we need the law to recognise any kind of relationship?

Working with the people at the end of relationships, this one would be a mighty complicated one for the kids if it all ended in tears. Let's hope they can make it work.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:49 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:


Yeah, from the Bible!

Rumor has it that the Koch brothers are direct descendants of Solomon!

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The third member of this "marriage" is not legally wed to either of the other two. She was "handfasted," which can count as a legal marriage for two, but not three people.

Whether multiple marriage partners should be legal or not is another discussion.






Doll, Kitten and Brynn Young married in a ceremony in August 2013, when each of their fathers walked them down the aisle. All three women wore white wedding gowns and exchanged rings.

The so-called 'throuple' worked with a specialist family lawyer who drew up the paperwork and drafted the ceremony so that all three of them were obligated and bound to each other .

While Brynn and Kitten are legally married, Doll is handfasted to both so the threesome are as equally married to each other as legally possible.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-
lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zlDtL8lE

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:56 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The third member of this "marriage" is not legally wed to either of the other two. She was "handfasted," which can count as a legal marriage for two, but not three people.

Whether multiple marriage partners should be legal or not is another discussion.








Doll, Kitten and Brynn Young married in a ceremony in August 2013, when each of their fathers walked them down the aisle. All three women wore white wedding gowns and exchanged rings.

The so-called 'throuple' worked with a specialist family lawyer who drew up the paperwork and drafted the ceremony so that all three of them were obligated and bound to each other .

While Brynn and Kitten are legally married, Doll is handfasted to both so the threesome are as equally married to each other as legally possible.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-
lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zlDtL8lE



...and this is bad why?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:59 PM

AURAPTOR

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I missed the part where anyone said this was 'bad'.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:30 PM

WISHIMAY


Your initial post sounded like scorn and derision.

Maybe you were just pointing out the whole "this is gonna complicate things" angle, but it sounded bad.

I wish everyone were as free to do as they pleased (*disclaimer* in a positive way). World might be a nice place. Long as they are good parents, is all I care about...

And I sincerely doubt this is a *first. First public maybe. They're gonna wish they hadn't gone public in a couple weeks, when the death threats start and they have to change their cell numbers a half dozen times....

There's a reason PUBLIC sounds like PUBIC... you will probably get screwed by it some way

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:37 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Dammit, all the good stuff happens now! To think that I could have married the Belsky twins, both cheerleaders by the way, causes me great consternation.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:42 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Dammit, all the good stuff happens now! To think that I could have married the Belsky twins, both cheerleaders by the way, causes me great consternation.

The Belsky twins? Didn't they die hitting the wall in Timecop?

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:48 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Not my Belsky twins. Judy and Sharon are both still alive and lookin' fine. I saw their pictures on the school website attending a recent reunion.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Your initial post sounded like scorn and derision.

Maybe you were just pointing out the whole "this is gonna complicate things" angle, but it sounded bad.




Complications. Yep. They do crop up though, don't they ?

That was my point.

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:38 AM

ELVISCHRIST





So are you okay with it or not?


If you don't think it's "bad", why did you bring it up?


And please tell us all how this negatively affects you, exactly.


I'll hang up and wait.

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:



So are you okay with it or not?


If you don't think it's "bad", why did you bring it up?


And please tell us all how this negatively affects you, exactly.


I'll hang up and wait.



I'll just say, in my best Jayne...

"I saw that comin'. "

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:58 PM

ELVISCHRIST




Coward.

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


Coward.



How so ? I called this, and now it's actually happening.

How does that make YOU feel ? Angry ? Bitter? Upset ?

Why ?

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:16 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


Coward.



How so ? I called this, and now it's actually happening.

How does that make YOU feel ? Angry ? Bitter? Upset ?

Why ?

You called it wrong, again. There's no 3 way marriage.

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Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


He's pretty ridiculous, isn't he? There is no legally recognized three-way marriage involved, and his attempts to appear non-judgmental are pathetic. But he's sure got you going.

I guess it's a good thing you guys have Rap...what would you do without him to trigger you into responding to him? What would HE do without this place--he must spend hours and hours here getting your attention every day...


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Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Few years ago, " same sex " marriage wasn't a thing either.

Now it is.

It's funny that some ignore the WEDDING which took place, and the happy THROUPLE ,as it's being called, with their rings and such.

' Nope, didn't happen! NOT MARRIED ! '

OK.



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Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, what exactly is your point?

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Friday, April 25, 2014 12:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah, what exactly is your point?



That there was such a push to redefine the meaning of 'marriage', that no one stopped to think that it might not end w/ just same sex marriage, but now will include polygamy as well.

Who are we to deny 3 people from sharing their love with each other.

Or 4. Or 7. Or 2 people and their dog.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 12:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Few years ago, " same sex " marriage wasn't a thing either.

Now it is.

It's funny that some ignore the WEDDING which took place, and the happy THROUPLE ,as it's being called, with their rings and such.

' Nope, didn't happen! NOT MARRIED ! '

OK.





Funny that you ignore that only two of the women are legally married.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 8:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny that you ignore that only two of the women are legally married.



Article says all three are married, there was a ceremony which married all 3, 3 rings were exchanged, and yet you want to deny them the ability to claim they are all married.

Why can't you reppect their wishes ?


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Friday, April 25, 2014 8:57 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah, what exactly is your point?



That there was such a push to redefine the meaning of 'marriage', that no one stopped to think that it might not end w/ just same sex marriage, but now will include polygamy as well.

Who are we to deny 3 people from sharing their love with each other.

Or 4. Or 7. Or 2 people and their dog.



If 7 people and their dog want to dress as in white, exchange rings and declare their love for one another, they can CURRENTLY do that.

Again, what is your point?

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Friday, April 25, 2014 9:16 AM

AURAPTOR

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Would you recognize it as a marriage ?

Pretty simple point.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 10:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

If 7 people and their dog want to dress as in white, exchange rings and declare their love for one another, they can CURRENTLY do that.


Yup. Why bother further? Isn't Rap already ridiculous enough for you?


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Friday, April 25, 2014 1:42 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Or 4. Or 7. Or 2 people and their dog.



Except the dog can't give consent. Neither can children for that matter.
It's limited to people who are conscious and adult.

Huh, I just realized that first part, the "conscious" bit rules out a whole lot of people I know o.O

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Friday, April 25, 2014 2:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

If 7 people and their dog want to dress as in white, exchange rings and declare their love for one another, they can CURRENTLY do that.


Yup. Why bother further? Isn't Rap already ridiculous enough for you?




No less ridiculous than allowing gays to marry, right?

Of course I'm right. Some just can't come around to admit it.


CA voters chose to make marriage 1 man + 1 woman.
The courts overturned the will of the people.

Why can't a court also decree that 3 or more consenting adults can marry each other?

I'll hang up & listen.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 3:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The third member of this "marriage" is not legally wed to either of the other two. She was "handfasted," which can count as a legal marriage for two, but not three people.

Whether multiple marriage partners should be legal or not is another discussion.





That's racist!! And sexist!! And misogynistic!! We must pass laws and things to protect these victims from disenfranchisement, and stuff! And give them free food and money and healthcare like prostate cancer tests for each of them.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 3:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Or 4. Or 7. Or 2 people and their dog.



Except the dog can't give consent. Neither can children for that matter.


That's racist! And sexist! And anti-pedophilic! How can you support NAMBLA and say such things? You cruel uptight rube.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 4:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The third member of this "marriage" is not legally wed to either of the other two. She was "handfasted," which can count as a legal marriage for two, but not three people.

Whether multiple marriage partners should be legal or not is another discussion.





That's racist!! And sexist!! And misogynistic!! We must pass laws and things to protect these victims from disenfranchisement, and stuff! And give them free food and money and healthcare like prostate cancer tests for each of them.

So, you admit defeat.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 5:47 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Would you recognize it as a marriage ?

Pretty simple point.



It's got nothing to do with whether I recognise it as a marriage.

People can live in whatever unions they choose, barring ones with non consenual or illegal sexual activity. Where I am, there are no legal limits around multiple sexual partners, or gender with regards to sexual activity, although incest and bestiality are illegal. People can celebrate their unions in a non legal manner, as these women do, by a variety of ceremonies. This union is not currently definied as a legal marriage.

So again, it's hard to work out what your point is because of your miserable failure to articulate meaningfully?

Are you asking if posters would support poly union marriage being made legal?

If posters morally support poly union relationships?

If posters support bubba having three mums?




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Friday, April 25, 2014 6:22 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


C'mon, Magons, you know perfectly well what he's up to. He dissed gay marriage because it would lead to all kinds of other "bad" things, and we made fun of him and called bullshit. Now he's trying to say "see, I was right!", which of course he wasn't, but as long as you play along, he'll keep it up.

Just as you said, people can form any kind of "union" they want, even WITH their dogs or cats or whatever, that doesn't make it legal. Anyone can "recognize" whatever they want, has nothing to do with legality. HE HAS NO POINT. End of story.


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Friday, April 25, 2014 8:03 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny that you ignore that only two of the women are legally married.



Article says all three are married, there was a ceremony which married all 3, 3 rings were exchanged, and yet you want to deny them the ability to claim they are all married.

Why can't you reppect their wishes ?




That not even a good troll attempt. You are not so dumb that you don't understand the differences between having a ceremony and being legally married.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 10:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I love the childish attempts at insults ( for no apparent reason ) almost as much as I love how oblivious folks here are about the posted story.

2 are married, and the third is as legally bound to each of the married partners as can be managed, at this time. Why ? Why bother w/ legality and such, when, as y'all commonly say here, they could ALREADY go through what ever ceremony they want!

BUT DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE !

( even though the posted story, and the actual 'trouple', describes it exactly as that - a marriage )

Is none of this sounding even the tiniest bit familar ?


Gay couples can have a civil union, w/ the LEGAL benefits of straight married couples...

THAT'S A MARRIAGE! You BIGOT!!

So, this THREESOME isn't a marriage ?

And it apparently offends some to even TRY to call it that.

Which is exactly what all 3 of them wanted.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 11:42 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I love the childish attempts at insults ( for no apparent reason ) almost as much as I love how oblivious folks here are about the posted story.

2 are married, and the third is as legally bound to each of the married partners as can be managed, at this time. Why ? Why bother w/ legality and such, when, as y'all commonly say here, they could ALREADY go through what ever ceremony they want!

BUT DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE !

( even though the posted story, and the actual 'trouple', describes it exactly as that - a marriage )

Is none of this sounding even the tiniest bit familar ?


Gay couples can have a civil union, w/ the LEGAL benefits of straight married couples...

THAT'S A MARRIAGE! You BIGOT!!

So, this THREESOME isn't a marriage ?

And it apparently offends some to even TRY to call it that.

Which is exactly what all 3 of them wanted.



No one here has a problem with them calling it a marriage you twit. We are pointing out to you that you did not call anything because it is not legally a three person marriage.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:02 AM

ELVISCHRIST





You still can't answer the questions posed to you:


What impact does it have on YOU, exactly?


What do you care whether 2, 3, or 147 people say they're "married", so long as they are all consenting adults?

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:15 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I love the childish attempts at insults ( for no apparent reason ) almost as much as I love how oblivious folks here are about the posted story.

2 are married, and the third is as legally bound to each of the married partners as can be managed, at this time. Why ? Why bother w/ legality and such, when, as y'all commonly say here, they could ALREADY go through what ever ceremony they want!

BUT DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE !

( even though the posted story, and the actual 'trouple', describes it exactly as that - a marriage )

Is none of this sounding even the tiniest bit familar ?


Gay couples can have a civil union, w/ the LEGAL benefits of straight married couples...

THAT'S A MARRIAGE! You BIGOT!!

So, this THREESOME isn't a marriage ?

And it apparently offends some to even TRY to call it that.

Which is exactly what all 3 of them wanted.



So....you're against legalising gay unions then?

Basically the question people should ask is - do we want the law to reflect how we conduct our relationships or do we want the law to limit them?

As far as I'm concerned marriage has nothing to do with the law. If people say they are married, I don't run off and check to make sure its a legal union. I simply don't care. And if people want to have marriages that consists of more than one partner, can't say it's my business nor does it need my approval.

The purpose of the law is to decide what happens when the relationship ends, that's why marriage and law got mixed up anyway. Basically it was about property, making sure there was a clear rule for when death, and less commonly divorce happens. Well all that's about as complicated as you can get these days anyway.

So right now when I live there is no legal difference between being defacto (common law) and married. So why bother having a legal defintion at all? You have law that can set down some common property principles when relationships end. Children's matters don't rely upon any marriage principles.

People can choose the ceremony of their choosing to celebrate their relationship whatever it may consist of. If people want to marry for limited times, so be it.

The legal definition in Australia

"Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life."

Mind you, this definition was only added about 10 years ago, to preclude gay marriage if you can believe it.

But lets look at it - 'exclusion of all others..." Does that mean adultery is illegal? Nope, in fact there are NO consequences for straying from the marital bed.

'voluntarily entered into for life' Not for half those who enter into its sacred space who terminate the relationship before death.

What about those people not 'legally married'? At an estimate, about 15% of couples are not legally married. In reality, its probably higher.

So the legal definition of marriage is an outdated concept that no longer reflects how we live.

You need to deal with it and get over it.




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Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:26 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:



You still can't answer the questions posed to you:


What impact does it have on YOU, exactly?


What do you care whether 2, 3, or 147 people say they're "married", so long as they are all consenting adults?



What difference does it make to you?

As for your question...

A: nothing comes to mind.

So I answered, why don't YOU answer a question...

What difference does it make in YOUR personal life if gays can't say they're " married " ?

I'll hang up and listen.

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