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4 killed at Navy Yard

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Monday, September 16, 2013 11:28 AM

NIKI2

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Police say 2 shooters have killed 4, injured 8 on grounds of Washington Navy Yard

Police now believe two shooters, including one in fatigues, have killed four people and wounded eight others at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, throwing the region into fear and chaos during the morning commute.

At least one of the shooters is “down,” police said mid-morning, but it was unclear whether that means the suspect has been arrested or shot. They said the other suspect remains at large, and police believe they have pinned down one between the third and fourth floors of one of the buildings on the installation in Southeast Washington.

Police on the scene said at least eight civilians were shot, along with the two police officers. One is a D.C. Metro Police officer who was shot twice in the leg and was evacuated on a helicopter that took off from a rooftop, police said. The other officer worked at the base. Except for the officer who was taken away by helicopter, all the other injured were being treated on the ground, police said.

Ed Buclatin, that public affairs chief for the Navy Installations Command tweeted “four killed and eight injured” at the Navy Yard.

A Navy Yard employee reached by telephone shortly before 10 a.m. said employees are still being told to shelter in place. She did not hear the shots, but described sirens, SWAT teams, Marines and a helicopter responding.

The U.S. Navy said that three shots were fired around 8:20 a.m. at the Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters building, where about 3,000 people work.

In a number of tweets from the base, employees expressed their fright. One tweet said people were stuck on the fourth floor of the headquarters building, while the shooter was firing from the third floor. Others wrote of being incredulous that a shooter could get inside the building. Lots more...well, anywhere you want to look, but this is from http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-o
n-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html


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Monday, September 16, 2013 3:02 PM

GEEZER

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Latest local news here is 12 killed and three shooters - two wearing military-type clothes. One of the shooters is apparently dead, but no info on how.


http://wtop.com/?nid=209&sid=3453541&title=As-many-as-3-gunmen
-attack-Navy-Yard-6-dead


One of the shooters (the dead one) has been identified as 34-year-old Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, Texas.

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Authorities are seeking two other people as "possible" gunmen, Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier said at an afternoon press conference. One was a white male between 40 and 50 years old, wearing a tan military-type uniform consistent with a Navy uniform, a beret hat and a handgun holster, Williams reported, who noted that many people are authorized to carry firearms at Navy Yard and that there is no hard evidence there is a second or a third shooter. He was last seen on surveillance about 8:30 a.m., Williams reported.

Lanier also said police were seeking a black man, between 40 and 50 years old, who was wearing olive drab and was armed with a "long gun," though she did not give any other details about the weapon. He was about 5-feet-10-inches tall and 180 pounds with medium complexion and graying sideburns.




Here's a live feed.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard
-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html



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Monday, September 16, 2013 3:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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The changing story of this event, as I've heard it reported...

Shooting at Naval facility in D.C.
Multiple shooters.
3 shooters.
4 dead, 1 shooter "down".
1 shooter "dead", 2 more at large.
1 shooter ID'd as 50 year old former chief petty officer.
6 dead, others wounded.
3rd suspect now cleared, "may " still be a 2nd shooter still at large.
11 dead, plus the shooter.
Previous ID of shooter now walked back.
Possible 2nd shooter still not found. May only be 1 shooter, after all.

No motive given as of yet.

* For the life of me, I'll never understand the reasoning of the journalistic practice of including the death of the perpetrator in these events as among the list of 'victims'.

They DID this. They are NOT a victim here, and should never be included in w/ the names of those lives they took.

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Monday, September 16, 2013 4:57 PM

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So, I guess it's safe to say not all mass shooters are white, after all.



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Monday, September 16, 2013 5:38 PM

WHOZIT


If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.

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Monday, September 16, 2013 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by G:
Dang, if only there had been someone nearby with a gun this could have been avoided. Oh wait, he shot those people and took their guns and killed others with those guns.
Hey La Pierre - stick that up your NRA-hole.



You seriously can't be this stupid, can you ?

If he did what you're claiming, then it's because he knew only a few folks even HAD guns, and once they were taken care of ( killed ), he'd be free to roam and kill at his leisure.

Also, he may have had help on the inside, which only adds to the problem.

Had more folks had guns, more would be alive.

La Pierre is 100% right here, and the dick head coward murderer should be the only one receiving any scorn from you, at all.

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Monday, September 16, 2013 5:54 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by G:
Dang, if only there had been someone nearby with a gun this could have been avoided. Oh wait, he shot those people and took their guns and killed others with those guns.
Hey La Pierre - stick that up your NRA-hole.



You're just pissed that Aaron isn't a middle aged white guy and NRA member...and Tea Party member...and host of a FOX News show.

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Monday, September 16, 2013 6:29 PM

MAL4PREZ


Apparently the dead shooter was actively involved in 9/11 rescues and has suffered "black-out" rage events and PTSD ever since.

I don't think the word "tragedy" is adequate here. I can't think of a word that is.


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Monday, September 16, 2013 6:41 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, I guess it's safe to say not all mass shooters are white, after all.




DC sniper mass killers Muhammed and Malvo were black Muslims.







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Monday, September 16, 2013 6:43 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by whozit:

If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.




Was he wearing a hoodie too?







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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, I guess it's safe to say not all mass shooters are white, after all.




DC sniper mass killers Muhammed and Malvo were black Muslims.






That's RIGHT! And they used a " long gun " , too. Not some snubbed nose 38 or a wicked cool glock of some sort, holding it sideways, all street like.

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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:49 AM

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And finally, add ' acted alone' to the list of story changes since this all broke.



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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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This wasn't just a gun free zone, but a gun free zone with in another gun free zone.

Fail squared.


Oh, and the shooter? Being described as a hard drinking, angry ... Buddhist ?

Yep.

Oy vey!



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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:53 AM

AURAPTOR

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Update on the ever changing stories...

No AR 15 used in shooting . There was no AR 15, at all. He did what VP Biden told us to do..." Buy a shot gun".

Well, he did .

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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, just nuts!


SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, I guess it's safe to say not all mass shooters are white, after all.



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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:47 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


And if wishes were horses, etc...........

Nice to know that logic has a home here.


SGG

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Originally posted by whozit:
If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.


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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:17 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


From the reports I heard, he started with a shotgun and killed armed guards (so there was someone with a gun on the premises), and used their weapons to shoot unarmed folk in the Atrium of the building.

So he eventually got a hold of assault weapons to kill and maim. This was a mentally unstable person who was all fired up after locking himself in a room playing Shooter's video games for hours on end. Much like the shooter in the Sandy Hook tragedy, a mentally disturbed person was able to obtain a gun (he bought it in Virginia) to go on a rampage.

We've come to find out that, in addition to his mental instability, he had run-ins with the law involving questionable and illegal gun use. Of course, we find this out after people are killed. If only there was a way we could find this out before a mentally ill person gets his hands on a gun and goes on a murderous shooting spree. What's that called again?

And no, it doesn't matter the skin color of the nut job indiscriminately firing off several rounds of bullets, picking off innocent souls.
Responsible gun owners, who are also NRA members, have stated that they support background checks for anyone buying a gun. This could have been prevented. Plus the Naval base needs to install metal detectors and search all non-military personnel entering the facility (he was a civilian contractor).

Another preventable tragedy.


SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Update on the ever changing stories...

No AR 15 used in shooting . There was no AR 15, at all. He did what VP Biden told us to do..." Buy a shot gun".

Well, he did .

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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:


So he eventually got a hold of assault weapons to kill and maim.



Nope. The guns used were 1 shot gun and 2 pistols. No 'assault' weapons were used.

And there was ample evidence which should have kept this guy from getting high level security clearance. Far too much pass-the-buck going on in today's bureaucratic world in D.C.

* Report: Navy Yard Shooter Stole Firearms Used in Rampage

UPDATE: According to the FBI, Alexis did not use an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle but instead used a shotgun and two handguns. The shotgun was purchased legally in Virginia and then brought illegally into Washington D.C. It is still believed Alexis stole the handguns off of police officers at the scene.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/09/17/report-navy-yard-
shooter-stole-firearms-used-in-rampage-n1702267


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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:04 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Responsible gun owners, who are also NRA members, have stated that they support background checks for anyone buying a gun. This could have been prevented.



A background check was performed when he bought his shotgun.

Didn't find out until just now that he bought his gun at a local gun range I have used. I know the guys there and have bought guns from them, and they are very careful to comply with all the laws relating to firearms sales. I'm sure they're having problems coming to terms with this right now.

Not sure why someone with at least two gun-related run-ins with the law, plus a history of psychiatric problems including calling the cops to report hearing voices, isn't on the NICS list. Apparently he was never charged with a felony, and the VA was constrained from reporting his mental issues.

There was bi-partisan support after Newtown for improvements in getting folks with mental issues on the list, but apparently no legislation.


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Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:22 PM

AURAPTOR

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The bigger issues is how someone w/ such mental issues was given clearance into the Navy Yard premises.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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Shooter tried, and failed to buy an AR-15.

Assault gun laws WORKED...

Now, stop trying to politicize EVERY damn thing under the sun.

Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard Shooting Suspect, Tried To Buy AR-15 Assault Weapon: Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-ar-15_n_3944209.
html


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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:24 PM

JONGSSTRAW


It could have been worse. In his paranoid delusional state he could have entered an Old Navy Store and fired at people making a commercial with Morgan Fairchild.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:02 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It could have been worse. In his paranoid delusional state he could have entered an Old Navy Store and fired at people making a commercial with Morgan Fairchild.



Morgan Fairchild, whom I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket!


But seriously, I wonder what the voices in his head sounded like. Anyone ever hear voices like that ? If so, do tell.



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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:21 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It could have been worse. In his paranoid delusional state he could have entered an Old Navy Store and fired at people making a commercial with Morgan Fairchild.



Morgan Fairchild, whom I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket!


But seriously, I wonder what the voices in his head sounded like. Anyone ever hear voices like that ? If so, do tell.



"Seen naked"? You must mean Morgan Freeman, 'cause Morgan Fairchild is a good girl.

As far as hearing voices in your head .... yes, absolutely. I hear Hayley Mills saying "scathingly brilliant idea" and "oh Ashton" all the time.

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Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 AM

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So, the shooter, who had a free access pass to anywhere on the property, knew EXACTLY where to find the ones carrying the guns. The element of surprise was entirely on his side. Carrying a weapon doesn't mean you're invincible to others who also have a weapon, especially when they know their own intent, and others don't. Had others been able to carry their legal firearms, the shooter would have been at a decisive disadvantage, not knowing from where any armed response was coming. But he knew that was not the case here. Take out guard 1, take that gun, and pretty much the rest of the people in the area are sitting ducks.

A gun free zone with in another gun free zone is simply dumb and dumber.

Past time for President Clinton's ban of military installations as gun free zones to be repealed. Those who defend our country should be able to defend THEMSELVES.

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Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:45 AM

SIGNYM

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Morgan Fairchild, whom I've seen naked.
Not only voices, but hallucinations too? Oh dear.

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Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Morgan Fairchild, whom I've seen naked.
Not only voices, but hallucinations too? Oh dear.



Are SNL references lost on every one?

smh


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Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:10 PM

GEEZER

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Kind'a bothered by this.

There are multiple police jurisdictions and police forces in the District Of Columbia, including the Washington Metropolitan Police, The Park Police, the Capitol Police, etc.

Apparently, a four-man tactical squad of Capitol Police, with rifles and body armor, was on the scene of the shooting shortly after it began, but when they asked permission of their higher-ups to engage, they were told to leave the area. Per BBC, some of the deaths at the Navy Yard may have occurred after they were told to leave.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24163244

Now the Capitol police are primarily charged with protecting the Capitol Building and other offices used by the Congress, so I'm assuming that they were called off the Navy Yard because some supervisor thought it was more important that they be available for possible threats to Congressfolk rather than actual threats to mere government employees. Gives you sort of a warm and fuzzy feeling about your worth compared to a Congressperson, doesn't it?


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Friday, September 20, 2013 3:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The same firm, USIS did the background checks of Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis and NSA spy Edward Snowden.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-usa-navy-shooting-usis-id
USBRE98I17J20130920?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563


"From Edward Snowden to Aaron Alexis, what's emerging is a pattern of failure on the part of this company, and a failure of this entire system, that risks nothing less than our national security and the lives of Americans," Senator Claire McCaskill said in a statement Thursday.

"What's most frightening is that USIS performs a majority of background checks for our government. We clearly need a top-to-bottom overhaul of how we vet those who have access to our country's secrets and to our secure facilities," she said.

McCaskill, who heads the Senate Subcommittee on Financial and Contracting Oversight, said USIS does about 65 percent of all background check investigations conducted by government contractors and more than half of those conducted by the OPM."



Good luck with that Claire! The Federal Government has over 4 million people with security clearances. You'd need an army of people to re-check current clearances; and btw, who's gonna check the checkers?

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Friday, September 20, 2013 6:30 AM

OONJERAH



Inferred in her statement: the Checkers gotta be checked first ...
overhaul what they are doing & who is doing it. A place to start.

In the meantime, for a long time, the problem will persist.

I do see it as a just turnabout, tho, for all the violations
practised by our own intelligence agencies.


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A man's gotta know his vulnerabilities

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Friday, September 27, 2013 7:15 PM

OONJERAH


Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis left note blaming low-frequency attack
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-aaron-alexis-navy-yar
d-footage-20130925,0,2516735.story


The Washington Navy Yard shooter believed he was being subjected to an
“ultra low frequency attack” and left an electronic note saying this was
“what I’ve been subject to for the last 3 months, and to be perfectly
honest that is what has driven me to this,” the FBI revealed Wednesday.


I am not posting this to make fun of Aaron Alexis.
I am considering the possibility of it.



======================== :>
I know I'm paranoid ... But am I paranoid enough?

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Friday, September 27, 2013 11:05 PM

AURAPTOR

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Crazy folk come up w/ all sorts of excuses and reasons for what they do.

The dog told them to do it.

Chips in their heads

ELF waves...

Where's the evidence, other than 12 dead at this nutter's hand ?

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