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Meet the Low-Key, Low-Cost Grocery Chain Being Called ‘Walmart’s Worst Nightmare’

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Friday, August 9, 2013 6:42 AM

NIKI2

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Retail analysts say that the world’s biggest retailer has reason to fear a small grocery chain that’s based in Idaho and boasts a business model that allows it to undercut Walmart on prices.

So about that eye-catching Walmart quote. Those are the words of Burt Flickinger III, a widely respected supermarket retailing industry expert who works for the Strategic Resource Group. Flickinger was quoted in a recent Idaho Statesman story about WinCo, a chain of roughly 100 supermarkets in the western U.S., based in Boise.

“WinCo arguably may be the best retailer in the Western U.S.,” Flickinger says while touring a WinCo store. “WinCo is really unstoppable at this point,” he goes on. “They’re Walmart’s worst nightmare.”

Flickinger isn’t the only industry insider discussing WinCo and Walmart in the same breath. “While many supermarkets strive to keep within a few percentage points of Walmart Stores’ prices, WinCo Foods often undersells the massive discount chain,” the industry publication Supermarket News explained last spring.

How does WinCo manage to undercut Walmart on prices? And why should the world’s largest retailer have any reason to fear a small regional grocer chain that most Americans have never heard of?

First off, the reason you probably haven’t heard of WinCo is partly because at this point its stores are limited to a handful of states in the West. But WinCo is a little-known player also because the company is a privately held enterprise that seems to take its privacy seriously, preferring a low-key, low-profile approach—which is extremely rare in a world of retailers boisterously begging for shoppers’ attention.

Simply put, WinCo “communicates low prices by delivering low prices,” Jon Hauptman, a partner at Willard Bishop, a retail consulting firm, told Supermarket News. “WinCo doesn’t do much to communicate price and value. It convinces shoppers of value based on the shopping experience, rather than relying on smoke and mirrors to convince them.”

As for how WinCo can deliver such low prices, the Statesman story details the company’s history and business model. It all began, interestingly enough, when two Idaho businessmen opened a warehouse-type discount store with a name that could have been pulled from a movie slyly spoofing Walmart. Waremart, it was called. The company became employee-owned in 1985, and changed its name to WinCo (short for “Winning Company”) in 1999.

Prices are kept low through a variety of strategies, the main one being that it often cuts out distributors and other middle men and buys many goods directly from farms and factories. WinCo also trims costs by not accepting credit cards and by asking customers to bag their own groceries. Similarly to warehouse membership stores like Sam’s Club and Costco, and also to successful discount grocers with small stores like Trader Joe’s and Aldi, WinCo stores are organized and minimalist, without many frills, and without the tremendous variety of merchandise that’s become standard at most supermarkets. “Everything is neat and clean, but basic,” Hauptman told Supermarket News. “Though the stores are very large, with a lot of categories, they lack depth or breadth of variety.”

While all of these factors help WinCo compete with Walmart on price, what really might scare the world’s largest retailer is how WinCo treats its employees. In sharp contrast to Walmart, which regularly comes under fire for practices like understaffing stores to keep costs down and hiring tons of temporary workers as a means to avoid paying full-time worker benefits, WinCo has a reputation for doing right by employees. It provides health benefits to all staffers who work at least 24 hours per week. The company also has a pension, with employees getting an amount equal to 20% of their annual salary put in a plan that’s paid for by WinCo; a company spokesperson told the Idaho Statesman that more than 400 nonexecutive workers (cashiers, produce clerks, and such) currently have pensions worth over $1 million apiece.

Generally speaking, shoppers tolerate Walmart’s empty shelves and subpar customer service because the prices are so good. The fact that another retailer—even a small regional one—is able to compete and sometimes beat Walmart on prices, while also operating well-organized stores staffed by workers who enjoy their jobs, like their employer, and genuinely want the company to be successful? Well, that’s got to alarm the world’s biggest retailer, if not keep executives up at night.

While WinCo does keep its business quiet, we do know one thing: The company is in the process of expanding to new states, with two locations opening in north Texas next year, for example. Flickinger anticipates rapid growth in the near future, with WinCo doubling in size every five to seven years going forward. http://business.time.com/2013/08/07/meet-the-low-key-low-cost-grocery-
chain-being-called-wal-marts-worst-nightmare/#ixzz2bUSpFA00


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Friday, August 9, 2013 3:33 PM

AURAPTOR

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Keeping ones business " quiet " isn't exactly the winning formula to success.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 5:31 PM

NIKI2

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Then I wonder why they're thriving so well? But then, I'm sure "a widely respected supermarket retailing industry expert who works for the Strategic Resource Group" couldn't possibly know more than...

...never mind.


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Friday, August 9, 2013 5:33 PM

AURAPTOR

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Doing so well, I've never heard of them, until your goofy ass post.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


""... a widely respected supermarket retailing industry expert who works for the Strategic Resource Group" couldn't possibly know more than ..." Niki

"... I've never heard of them ..." little rappy

Just wow. Little rappy, you could not do a better job shooting yourself in the foot if you tried.



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And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore
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As evidence of "rape mentality"...
Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The term applies.



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Friday, August 9, 2013 6:15 PM

NIKI2

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You nailed it. But eh, his response was predictable, and as quick as always, and that's as much attention as he's worth. I'd rather DISCUSS what the thread's ABOUT. :o)
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“Awesome place to work!”
Meat Clerk (Current Employee)
Brentwood, CA

I have been working at WinCo Foods full-time for more than a year

Pros – Great space to improve and move up the latter
Pay tops out at 23/hr here

Cons – Management is very strict

Yes, I would recommend this company to a friend – I'm optimistic about the outlook for this company http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-WinCo-Foods-RVW226775
3.htm
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All-Purpose Clerk (Current Employee)
Redding, CA

I have been working at WinCo Foods part-time for more than 10 years

Pros – Employee owned company. The increase in ESOP annually makes for a bright future.

Advancement opportunities. With multiple stores opening every year, the skies the limit.

Benefits. Ranging from medical and dental to reductions in bills from associated vendors like Verizon Wireless.

Busy. This can create many opportunities from a constant demand for something needing done to a never ending supply of new and interesting faces to interact with.

Cons – Busy. Not all who work here are people persons and have difficulties with the volume of customers that come through the store.

Advice to Senior Management – Try to better utilize the strengths of employees and limit the influence of negative factors.

Yes, I would recommend this company to a friend http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WinCo-Foods-Reviews-E11196.htm]


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“Great place to spend a career”
Clerk (Current Employee)
Seattle, WA

I have been working at WinCo Foods full-time for more than 10 years

Pros – Winco Foods has excellent pay scale and health benefits. It's ESOP program is unsurpassed in the retirement world

Cons – Very hard work, no time to waste here. Every second of your day is planned out, and get ready to run. Attendance policy is very unforgiving but unbiased if used correctly.

Advice to Senior Management – Keep listening to employees feedback, remember your Store Management is human. Sometimes it seems they are so stressed out they will lose their job it makes it hard for them to do their job. Also would look at possible changes in 10 day work week, the long stretches can be very difficult on employees.

Yes, I would recommend this company to a friend http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WinCo-Foods-Reviews-E11196.htm]


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Anonymous Employee (Current Employee)

I have been working at WinCo Foods full-time for more than a year

Pros – Really nice work environment, great promotion opportunities if you are willing to work hard. I started with the company 13 months ago and I am already getting 40 hours a weeks at $11 an hour. They have promoted me once with another promotion coming soon. This is one of the companies that actually recognizes good hard workers.

Cons – unfortunately like any other business sometimes you get a boss that isn't on top of things and makes some bad decisions, luckily there are other people helping him out to correct issues.

Advice to Senior Management – Great company, the only issue I have seen is the hesitation to demote someone that isn't keeping up with the job requirements.

Yes, I would recommend this company to a friend http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WinCo-Foods-Reviews-E11196.htm



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Friday, August 9, 2013 6:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I have a wait and see attitude myself. Anyone can make predictions either way, but the only sure thing is what actually happens. And if they should come to my area I would definitely check them out to see if what they have, what they charge, and where they're located fit into my life. So, you probably didn't mean it that way, but I appreciate the head's-up.

That's all I got.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 6:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Certainly a "wait-and-see" attitude is vital. I'm not putting anything on anyone's predictions (tho' thought it was amusing Rap had to immediately diss it), just thought it was interesting that somebody might be coming along to give Walmart a run for its money, and it's someone employee-owned who pays a decent wage and offers benefits, to boot!


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Friday, August 9, 2013 6:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That part does make me happy ---

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Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
""... a widely respected supermarket retailing industry expert who works for the Strategic Resource Group" couldn't possibly know more than ..." Niki

"... I've never heard of them ..." AURaptor

Just wow. AURaptor , you could not do a better job shooting yourself in the foot if you tried.




Might be we've found an clue for your mental defect.

When I stated " i've never heard of them ", it's clear ( or should have been, to anyone w/ 1/2 a brain ) that I was referring to ...

WinCo, a chain of roughly 100 supermarkets in the western U.S., based in Boise.

There's no shooting of self in foot, even remotely. I've never heard of them. Wal-Mart, I've heard of. How is this an issue for you ?

Seriously.

That some industry insider knows more about a retail chain than I, as part of the general public, only make sense. How your small, angry little brain some how views THAT as an issue to grab onto and turn into anything of ridicule , is twisted, sad, and defies all reason.

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Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:33 AM

NIKI2

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Yeah, Walmart has become such bad news, in so many ways, that I've never entered one, nor will I. I used to feel the same about Costco, until I read some about it, looked for more, and discovered they aren't nearly as bad when it comes to their employees. So I went, and even got a membership and shopped there some (they make a pound cake, cheap, that I really like, and I got vitamins and supplements). Let my membership lapse in the end; requires buying in bulk too much, and there's just the two of us...plus I saw how easy it was to go through and see stuff and load up your cart, which isn't why I go shopping. :o) But Walmart seems to virtually always be in the news for how they treat their employees, so it was nice to bump across those "employee reviews". I wish them well.


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Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:22 AM

WHOZIT


The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?

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Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:29 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?



No, it is about how they treat their employees. It sounds like this other chain treats their workers...well...like people.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:18 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by whozit:
The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?



No, it is about how they treat their employees. It sounds like this other chain treats their workers...well...like people.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Walmart gets flack because they don't give mega $ to Demorats like Costco does. Walmart doesn't treat their people any better or worse then any other department store chain.

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Saturday, August 10, 2013 7:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by whozit:
The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?



No, it is about how they treat their employees.



Because they're non-union.

Got it.

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It sounds like this other chain treats their workers...well...like people.




And if they run a store w/ competitive prices, and can woo the customers to them, more power to 'em. Give Wal-Mart a run for their money, if they can, and see what comes of it. I'm cool w/ that.

@ Whozie - wal-mart ALSO gets flack for buying off town council members, and local politicians,so they can force land owners out, by having the city condemn certain properties, which allows wal-mart to come in, buy the land on the cheap, and build their mega stores, which generates far more revenue for the local govt.

Neither side is w/ out sin when it comes to wal-mart,imo.


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Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Nick; must be nice to live in ignorance. The number of lawsuits against Walmart for discrimination, unlawful termination, treatment of women and other things would fill a barn, but of course if you don't want to deal with facts, it's easier to blame "The Left".
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Lawsuits a volume business at Wal-Mart

By its own count, Wal-Mart was sued 4,851 times last year — or nearly once every two hours, every day of the year. Juries decide a case in which Wal-Mart is a defendant about six times every business day. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/08/14/walmart-usat.htm]


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Almost 2,000 women in 48 states claim that Walmart discriminated against them for pay and promotions. Charges were filed in every state except Montana and Vermont (the latter has only four Walmart stores, the fewest of any state). Women in Florida, Alabama and Georgia filed the most claims.

“The fact that EEOC charges were filed in every single Walmart region in the nation demonstrates the widespread and pervasive nature of Walmart’s pay and promotion discrimination against its women employees,” said Brad Seligman. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-sex-discrimination-wo
men-_n_1575859.html
]


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Wage and Hour Lawsuits against Wal-Mart Settled for over $350 Million - See more at: http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/wage-and-hour-lawsuits-against-wal-mart-s
ettled-2211/#sthash.iCTrsmzv.dpuf


Last week, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. announced that they have agreed to pay between $352 million and $640 million to settle 63 wage and hour lawsuits filed against the retailer in 42 different states. The lawsuits accused the company of cheating hourly workers by forcing them to work through breaks and not paying them for overtime. The wage and hour violation settlement may set a new standard for other companies who have been failing to pay employees according to the requirements of federal labor laws. http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/wage-and-hour-lawsuits-against-wal-mart-s
ettled-2211/#sthash.iCTrsmzv.dpuf
]


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Walmart To Pay More Than $11.7 Million To Settle EEOC Sex Discrimination Suit

Kentucky Distribution Facility Denied Jobs to Female Applicants on a Systemic Basis, Federal Agency Charged

INDIANAPOLIS –Walmart Stores will pay $11.7 million in back wages and com­pen­satory damages, its share of employer taxes, and up to $250,000 in administration fees and will furnish other relief, including jobs, to settle a sex discrimination lawsuit filed by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the agency announced today. http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/release/3-1-10.cfm]

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Walmart Settles Landmark 401(k) Fees Class Action Lawsuit

The company has settled a $13.5 million class action lawsuit with employee Jeremy Braden and others. The suit claimed that the retailer, along with Bank of America's Merrill Lynch unit, passed along "unreasonably high fees and expenses" to Walmart's 2 million workers. http://www.aarp.org/work/retirement-planning/info-12-2011/walmart-sett
les-landmark-401k-fees-suit.html
]


This stuff has been going on for years; you reeeely have to avoid the news not to know about it.

What's sadly amusing in the right's defense of Walmart is that we, AND THEY, end up paying for Walmart's profits:
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Wal-Mart's low wages cost taxpayers

The cost of Wal-Mart's low wages isn't just felt by workers like Stinnett, but also transferred to American taxpayers. The report zeroes in on Wal-Mart in Wisconsin. That's because the state releases information on how many workers are enrolled in its public health care program broken down by employer.

At the end of 2012, there were 3,216 Wal-Mart employees who were enrolled in Wisconsin public health care programs, more than any other employer. Add in the dependents of Wal-Mart workers and the total jumps up to 9,207.

Factoring in what taxpayers contribute for public programs, the report estimated that one Wal-Mart supercenter employing 300 workers could cost taxpayers at least $904,000 annually. http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/04/news/companies/walmart-medicaid/index.
html
]


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California To Wal-Mart: Enough! No More Taxpayer Subsidized Profits For You

For years, Wal-Mart—and other large retail operators—have been piling up huge profits by controlling their labor costs through paying employees sub-poverty level wages. As a result, it has long been left to the taxpayer to provide healthcare and other subsidized benefits to the many Wal-Mart employees who are dependent on Medicaid, food stamp programs and subsidized housing in order to keep their families from going under.

With Medicaid eligibility about to be expanded in some 30 states, as a result of the Affordable Care Act, Wal-Mart has responded by cutting employee hours—and thereby wages—even further in order to push more of their workers into state Medicaid programs and increase Wal-Mart profits. Good news for Wal-Mart shareholders and senior management earning the big bucks—not so good for the taxpayers who will now be expected to contribute even larger amounts of money to subsidize Wal-Mart’s burgeoning profits.

But, at long last and in a move gaining popularity around the nation, the State of California is attempting to say ‘enough’ to Wal-Mart and the other large retailers who are looking to the taxpayers to take on the responsibility for the company’s employees—a responsibility Wal-Mart has long refused to accept.

Legislation is now making its way through the California legislature—with the support of consumer groups, unions and, interestingly, physicians—that would levy a fine of up to $6,000 on employers like Wal-Mart for every full-time employee that ends up on the state’s Medi-Cal program—the California incarnation of Medicaid.

One wonders if we will ever see the day when Americans will stop falling for the hostage-taking narrative consistently put forward by those whose job it is to defend the indefensible. At the first suggestion of finally putting a chink in Wal-Mart’s policy of profiting at the taxpayers’ expense—a practice that should have every American thinking about what passes for free-enterprise in the United States today—the response is to always threaten to take away jobs if we dare to challenge their business practices, even if those practices cost us billions.

Note that these are not people who rely on ‘government handouts’ because they do not wish to work. Rather, these are people who show up to do their jobs for as many hours a week as their employer will permit them to work.

What I always find fascinating is that the very people who are so critical of the subsidies provided by Obamacare to lower-earning Americans (how many times have these people reminded us that “someone is paying for these subsidies”) never seem to have much of a problem with the subsidies we pay to support Wal-Mart’s massive profits by picking up the healthcare tab for so many of the company’s employees. But then, those who support taxpayers doing the job that Wal-Mart should be doing tend to be the same folks who are quick to suggest that nobody is forcing workers to take a job at Wal-Mart. Apparently, these people are operating under the opinion that a Wal-Mart worker earning below the federal poverty level wouldn’t readily move to a better paying job if such a job were available to that worker. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/06/03/california-to-wal-mar
t-enough-no-more-taxpayer-subsidized-profits-for-you/



So they're happy to prop up "private enterprise" even tho' THEY end up paying for it in the end.

Just FYI the question of unions, etc.; WinCo is EMPLOYEE-OWNED, which might help explain why they treat their employees like human beings.


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Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If any of our "conservative" posters were given to thinking for themselves, the following might give them pause:
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The popular belief surrounding Walmart is that conservatives love it and liberals hate it. That appears to be generally true, but there are a number of things that Walmart does or doesn’t do that should give conservatives pause before they rush to defend the mega-retailer.

1. Walmart workers are paid wages that are like Walmart prices…Low. This forces them to rely on government benefits such as Medicaid and food stamps.

2. In addition to being eligible for government assistance for food and medical care, an average Walmart employee who is married and has one child is eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit that is refunded to certain low paid workers. Republican Representative Bob Woodall of Georgia is one of a number of conservative legislators on record as saying that the poor don’t pay enough in taxes.

3. Walmart has a history of hiring undocumented immigrant workers. According to a 2004 congressional report:
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On October 23, 2003, federal agents raided 61 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states. When they left, the agents had arrested 250 nightshift janitors who were undocumented workers.

Following the arrests, a grand jury convened to consider charging Wal-Mart executives with labor racketeering crimes for knowingly allowing undocumented workers to work at their stores. The workers themselves were employed by agencies Wal-Mart contracted with for cheap cleaning services. While Wal-Mart executives have tried to lay the blame squarely with the contractors, federal investigators point to wiretapped conversations showing that executives knew the workers were undocumented. http://www.hel-mart.com/docs/georgemiller_walmartreport.pdf]


4. Recording artists, particularly alternative rock and rap artists, are often forced to produce alternate versions of their work ( http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3_2.html) in order for it to be sold by Walmart. Walmart company policy forbids the sale of any CD with a warning label. According to the PBS documentary “Store Wars: When Walmart Comes To Town,” Walmart has pulled magazines from its shelves ( http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3_2.html) for covers they consider inappropriate, and some magazines have even sent Walmart photos of proposed covers for their approval. Considering that Walmart is the nation’s largest retailer, and as of 2010 accounted for about 12 percent of CD sales ( https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/pr_100526/), their policy of censorship interferes with the right of artists to have their work judged by the free market.

5. Walmart moves into communities, undercuts, and eventually destroys small local businesses ( http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/study-proves-walmart-supe
r-stores-kill-local-small-businesses-article-1.140129
). While there were some conflicting poll numbers, in 2012 a majority of small business owners favored Mitt Romney for president, indicating that they were counting on Romney and the GOP to work for their interests to a greater extent than they thought President Obama would. Defending Walmart is the exact opposite of supporting small businesses.

6. Walmart puts pressure on suppliers to reduce prices ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-idUS
TRE8250GM20120306
). This affects the bottom line of those suppliers and forces them to look for ways to provide products at the price which Walmart demands. It also means that smaller suppliers, that already may be operating on a shoestring budget and cannot afford to make cuts, are unable to avail themselves of the huge market that Walmart offers.

7. Walmart makes political contributions to Democrats. According to OpenSecrets.org, in 2012 Walmart connected PAC’s donated $400,000 to the Democratic Governors’ Association. Even worse for some conservatives, in 2012 individuals connected to Walmart donated $57,711 to Barack Obama.

8. Walmart sells a lot of goods that are made in China. In fact, some 70 percent of everything Walmart sells is produced in China ( http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100107390). This should be an obvious problem for “cold war” conservatives, since China is a communist country. In addition to that concern, Walmart accounted for 11 percent of the U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006, according to the Economic Policy Institute ( http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_20070627/). EPI estimates that just the Walmart portion of the trade deficit resulted in the lossof approximately 200,000 American jobs in that same time period. This likely forced more Americans to seek unemployment benefits, another government program that many conservatives hate. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/09/top-eight-reasons-conservative
s-should-hate-walmart/#ixzz2baj18BpH



If one were inclined to use one's brain, those might be something to think about. If one prefers to just toe the party line and defend Big Business while ignoring any facts, of course, it's only cause to snark.


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Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


So far, let's see:

Pays wages so far under living wage that employees have to be subsidized by taxpayers;
Has a long history of hiring illegal immigrants;
Engages in censorship;
Destroys small businesses;
Bullies suppliers into cutting cost;
Contributes to Democrats;
Gets 70% of its products from Communist country;
Increases trade deficit;

But there's even more...
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Wal-Mart is China' s sixth largest export market. In 2006, Wal-Mart imported $27 billion of Chinese goods. Wal-Mart' s imports are responsible for 11% of the growth of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. [Time, 6/19/05; EPI Issue Brief #235, 6/27/07]

Wal-Mart encourages American companies to open Chinese factories. In order to obtain Wal-Mart contracts or to continue relations with Wal-Mart, American companies are coerced by Wal-Mart to open factories in China. Lakewood Engineering and Manufacturing Company and Huffy Bikes were two such cases. [Los Angeles Time, 11/23/03; Mansfield News Journal, 12/8/03]

Wal-Mart advises supplier: “Open a factory in China.” To land a supply contract with Wal-Mart, the Lakewood Engineering and Manufacturing Company—a Chicago fan manufacturer—had to locate manufacturing operations in Shenzhen, China. Workers there make $.25 an hour—while the company' s Chicago workforce earned an average hourly $13. [Los Angeles Times, 11/23/03]

Wal-Mart forces Huffy Bikes to brake US production. Despite decades of making bicycles in the United States, Huffy was forced by Wal-Mart price pressures to close three factories and lay off thousands of workers. The mayor of Celina, Ohio—where Huffy closed a large factory—said Wal-Mart' s “demand for cheaper bicycles drove Huffy out of Celina.” [Mansfield News Journal, 12/8/03]

Wal-Mart secretly takes out life insurance policies on its employees. Known as “dead peasant” insurance, Wal-Mart took out Corporate-Owned Life insurance (COLI) policies on unsuspecting employees until 1995. Even thought Wal-Mart stopped taking out new policies at this time, it continued to cash in on them years later. In Texas and Oklahoma, Wal-Mart paid $15 million to settle claims it did not have an insurable interest while taking out these policies. Michael D. Myers, an attorney who has represented workers on these types of cases, had this say about employers using these types of policies: “Creepy's a good word for it...If you ask the executives that decided to buy these policies and the insurance companies that sold them, they would say this was designed to create tax benefits for the company, which would use the benefits for benevolent purposes such as buying employee medical benefits.” [Tampa Tribune, 7/3/07 and 3/10/8]

Wal-Mart pays millions over Americans with Disabilities Act violations. In 2001, Wal-Mart paid $6 million to settle 13 lawsuits charging the company with widespread discrimination and violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Even after these lawsuits, Wal-Mart has failed to improve its behavior. Since 2001, 47 ADA lawsuits have been filed against Wal-Mart. [29 U.S.C. S 706 et seq; Business Journal, 1/20/04.]

Wal-Mart employees forced to work overtime while locked stores. In May 2007, New Jersey' s Supreme Court ruled that Wal-Mart must face a class-action lawsuit by workers who claim Wal-Mart forced them to work through meal breaks, locked them in retail stores after they clocked out and coerced them into working off the clock. The company broke state wage and hour laws and breached contracts with employees, the workers say. Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Arkansas, faces more than 70 U.S. wage-and-hour suits, including class actions by employees claiming the company failed to pay for all hours worked or did not compensate them properly for overtime. [Bloomberg News, 5/31/07]

Wal-Mart tries to avoid paying over $33 million in North Carolina taxes. Using real estate investment trusts (REITs), Wal-Mart sought to avoid taxes in North Carolina by paying rent to itself. Wal-Mart devised a complex restructuring and tax avoidance scheme specifically for North Carolina because, like other non-combined reporting states, a corporation can report certain subsidiaries separately. However, a North Carolina court ruled that Wal-Mart' s tax restructuring efforts had “no real economic substance.” As a result of this ruling, the state did not have to refund $33.5 million in back taxes to Wal-Mart. [Wall Street Journal, 1/6/2008]

Wal-Mart evades $17 million in Wisconsin. As in North Carolina, Wal-Mart' s use of REITs was also damaging to Wisconsin taxpayers. State tax auditors established that Wal-Mart avoided $17.7 million in taxes from1998-2000. However, Wal-Mart might not be out of the woods yet. The giant retailer may owe additional back taxes. [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 8/25/07]

Wal-Mart uses an Italian subsidiary to circumvent taxes in Illinois. The Illinois Department of Revenue is demanding $26.4 million in taxes from Wal-Mart for using an Italian subsidiary as a tax shelter. Using a tax avoidance scheme similar to its use of REITs in other states, Wal-Mart set up a subsidiary in Italy in order to avoid state taxation in Illinois. Nearly every Wal-Mart store in the United States is owned by this Italian subsidiary; therefore, the tax avoidance may not be limited to Illinois exclusively. [Wall Street Journal, 11/17/07]

Wal-Mart uses public dollars to subsidize growth. In order to fund its massive growth, Wal-Mart relies on over $1.2 billion dollars in “tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments.” For example, local officials in Pottsville, Pennsylvania gave Wal-Mart $2.45 million to subsidize a distribution center. Not only does Wal-Mart receive money for distribution centers, it also gets money for supercenter growth. In fact, Wal-Mart obtained $12 million in sales tax rebates to open a store in Orland Hills, Illinois. [CNNmoney.com, 11/18/2005, ]

No company has done more to harm America than Wal-Mart. It has actively encouraged outsourcing, helped bankrupt American manufacturing operations (Rubbermaid), discriminated against employee based on gender/race, failed to provide health coverage (left it to States to pick up the tab), underpayed its state taxes, underpayed its workers, etc. It is a sick company involved in every bad business practice imaginable.
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Not to mention
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Walmart pleaded guilty to dumping toxic chemicals into sewers throughout California. As a result, the company will be forced to pay a $81.6 million fine. The retail giant was accused to dumping fertilizer, pesticides, and other hazardous material into the state’s sewage system during the mid-2000s. Many of the chemicals the company dumped were products pulled from stores shelves in California or Missouri for one reason or another. http://www.inquisitr.com/679551/walmart-toxic-dumping-case/#zFYRTh4CpI
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Wal-Mart testified on behalf of their Chinese manufacturers against American supplier. When the American market was flooded with much cheaper big screen televisions made in China, Five Rivers took its case to the International Trade Commission and won. The attorney for Five Rivers said, “It’s not fair trade, it’s not free trade, it’s a rigged system.” http://suite101.com/article/how-wal-mart-hurts-america-a317136



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Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:22 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because they're non-union.

Got it.



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Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:56 PM

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""... a widely respected supermarket retailing industry expert who works for the Strategic Resource Group" couldn't possibly know more than ..." Niki

"... I've never heard of them ..." AURaptor

"Just wow. AURaptor , you could not do a better job shooting yourself in the foot if you tried." 1kiki

"There's no shooting of self in foot, even remotely." AURaptor


Well, let me spell it out. A genuine expert opines about a supermarket. You then proclaim you've never heard of such supermarket. By comparison to the expert who knows about that supermarket, you've declared yourself to be ignorant and a really, really REALLY NON-expert. As such, you removed any reason for anyone to care about your opinion (assuming anyone had any left at this point).

Thus, by proudly proclaiming your ignorance (as if it was a valid argument), you eliminated any reason for people to credit your opinion: you shot yourself in the foot.


Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore
Quote:

As evidence of "rape mentality"...
Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The term applies.



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Sunday, August 11, 2013 5:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Doing so well, I've never heard of them . . .

In Idaho, Winco is crushing Walmart, which only has 22 retail units there. http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/locations#/united-states/idaho

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:44 AM

NIKI2

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Wow, Walmart has 22 stores in Idaho and WinCo is "crushing" them? That's impressive! I assume you mean on a store-by-store basis. ;o) That's really great news; when something employee owned which treats it's employees like human beings, doesn't suck off the taxpayer nipple to make profit, AND offers low prices responsibly can beat out Walmart's draconian practices anywhere, huzzah for them!
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More than 400 “front-line” workers — clerks, cashiers, and others who are not at the executive level — have retirement accounts that are worth at least $1 million, according to a company spokesman.

It also provides full health benefits for those who work at least 24 hours a week, beyond the requirements in the Affordable Care Act. While the company is private and hasn’t made wage information available, Glassdoor reports that cashiers and clerks make more than $11 an hour. Thanks to these benefits and wages, the company has low turnover. An industry analyst estimated that the average hourly worker stays with the company for more than eight years.



It was in 1985, in an unusual move, that the company evolved into a different, and very employee-friendly, business model. In 1985, the WinCo Foods Employee Stock Ownership Trust (Employee Pension Plan), headed by then president Bill Long and with full support of store personnel and management, purchased from the Ward family a majority interest of WinCo, giving WinCo employees a real ownership stake in the company. The company continued its rapid growth and by 2000 had replaced a majority of its retail stores with updated and expanded facilities. ( http://www.wincofoods.com/about/)

Just to note, The American Customer Satisfaction Index of February of this year found Walmart at the bottom of its applicable list of stores. Hopefully, the public will keep speaking with their pocketbook. Unfortunately for me, all their stores around here are out in the Big Valley, nearest some 70 miles, or I'd certainly support them!

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 3:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because they're non-union.

Got it.



Believe what every you would like. That is why you lose.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



excuse me, what exactly did I lose ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 3:48 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
excuse me, what exactly did I lose ?



I was talking about conservatives in general. You are not interested in understanding the other side's arguments, just what you think the other side's arguments are.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
excuse me, what exactly did I lose ?



I was talking about conservatives in general. You are not interested in understanding the other side's arguments, just what you think the other side's arguments are.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Uh huh. Well, 99% of the beef against wal-mart is just stuff generated by unions, who are pissed off that they can't take over. Much like the anti-war rallies, which were primarily driven by the usual suspects, raging against Bush, capitalism, America, etc... Same goes for the Trayvon Martin protests.

I understand the other sides arguments all too well.


But here, the discussion is about wal-mart, and some other chain, which until now, I've never even heard of.

I'll shop at neither, so how about them apples ?

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:27 PM

MAL4PREZ


Please ignore the trolls.

It's interesting what's possible when a company focuses on customers and employees rather than shareholders. I find that a shocking amount of price-setting is based on what can make a profit for the shareholders rather than what the item costs to produce, market, and sell. And so the money leaves the middle class and flow upwards.

Of course that is no accident. The parties responsible for setting this extremely NOT free "free market" don't even apologize for it or even try to hide it, because they know the RWA slaves will support them no matter what they do.

We have an extremely sick financial system.

I can only hope that companies like this WinCo thing continue to buck the system. Remember, once google seemed to be a good guy. That didn't last long.

Thanks for another interesting tidbit of news Niki. The one reason I can't swear this place off is that I hear about things like this that I otherwise wouldn't.


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Monday, August 12, 2013 5:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx Mal4. Essentially "what you said". I found when I didn't spend x amount of time here daily, I was also losing out because, by not wandering around looking for stuff to put up for possible discussion, I was losing out on news I wouldn't otherwise hear/read/see, as well as missing out on the contributions of people to discussions which brought up other stuff I'd never have known.

Given I spend about as much time perusing CNN, Time, CSM, Forbes, Fiscal Times, CTV, Bloomberg, ENE and others, following up on whatever catches my eye, deciding if it's worth posting, and posting it, as I do reading threads and responding, I was cutting of my own nose to spite my face, as it were.

When I can manage to get past the vitriol and idiocy, and not take the bait and be sidetracked into the games, I get a lot from both. Unfortunately, Rap is all too adept at making statements (like the one about unions) which are so outlandish (given ALL the other factual problems with Walmart), that it's a constant battle not to be distracted.


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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?



No, it is about how they treat their employees. It sounds like this other chain treats their workers...well...like people.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Walmart gets flack because they don't give mega $ to Demorats like Costco does. Walmart doesn't treat their people any better or worse then any other department store chain.



Actual WalMart employees disagree with you. But then, you're always wrong about everything.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:03 AM

STORYMARK


It is interesting to see the rightwing morons leaping to defend a big corporation over a smaller business, just because.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
It is interesting to see the rightwing morons leaping to defend a big corporation over a smaller business, just because.



As I did no such thing as leap to defend wal-mart, I can conclude that you don't think I'm a moron ? Gee, thanks. I think

What I actually said, in case you needed reminding...

Quote:

And if they run a store w/ competitive prices, and can woo the customers to them, more power to 'em. Give Wal-Mart a run for their money, if they can, and see what comes of it. I'm cool w/ that.



So.. "Yay! Go little guy! "


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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, the only "moron" I see here is zit, which is no surprise.

"The libs beef with Walmart has been they're non-union, but these guys are OK?"

He's obviously oblivious of the MYRIAD problems Walmart has had for years (as documented in this thread); in his small mind, it's all about "libs" and unions.

"Walmart gets flack because they don't give mega $ to Demorats like Costco does. Walmart doesn't treat their people any better or worse then any other department store chain."

Again his shows his ignorance, given Walmart has PLEADED GUILTY, as well as having SETTLED, numerous instances where they were found to be MIStreating their employees, and, as also documented, they DO give "mega $" to Democrats.

Aside from a crack about unions and starting out trying to make some kind of point (?) about never having heard of them, I only see one "right wing moron" mouthing off here.


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Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:05 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Uh huh. Well, 99% of the beef against wal-mart is just stuff generated by unions, who are pissed off that they can't take over. Much like the anti-war rallies, which were primarily driven by the usual suspects, raging against Bush, capitalism, America, etc... Same goes for the Trayvon Martin protests.

I understand the other sides arguments all too well.


But here, the discussion is about wal-mart, and some other chain, which until now, I've never even heard of.

I'll shop at neither, so how about them apples ?



99% of negative things said about Wal-Mart comes from people who work or have worked for the company. If they treated their employees right those employees would be standing up for the company. That's not happening.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

99% of negative things said about Wal-Mart comes from people who work or have worked for the company. If they treated their employees right those employees would be standing up for the company. That's not happening.




Why not go ahead and add in 'those who NEVER worked for wal-mart ' too, while you're at it ?

If a person had worked there, and got fired, is it any wonder they're not gonna say nice things about their former employer ?

As long as they're making money, and yes, that IS why they're in business, then they'll likely keep w/ the business plan they're using. If a change is required, then we'll see if that prompts them to change.

If you don't like wal-mart, then don't shop there. If ya don't wanna work there, then don't. Good grief.

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:33 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why not go ahead and add in 'those who NEVER worked for wal-mart ' too, while you're at it ?

If a person had worked there, and got fired, is it any wonder they're not gonna say nice things about their former employer ?

As long as they're making money, and yes, that IS why they're in business, then they'll likely keep w/ the business plan they're using. If a change is required, then we'll see if that prompts them to change.




I have worked for Wal-Mart, did not get fired, and have little nice to say about them as an employer.

While they are in business to make money that does not mean you have to mis-treat your employees.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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