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'Who Am I to Judge?' Pope Reveals He's Open to Gay Priests

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UPDATED: Monday, July 29, 2013 08:30
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Monday, July 29, 2013 5:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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His comments were short, subtle, but unmistakably direct: “If they accept the Lord and have good will, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized.”

Today the Pope stated that he does not judge gays—a statement that will send shockwaves through the church. His comments were short, subtle, but unmistakably direct. “If they accept the Lord and have good will, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized,” he told reporters on his return flight from Rio de Janeiro to Rome. “The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”

The Pope also criticized journalists for reporting on allegations of homosexuality within the Vatican, saying those matters concerned questions of sin, not crimes, like the sexual abuse of children. He said when someone sins and confesses, God both forgives and forgets. “We don’t have the right to not forget,” he said.

The Pope is the voice of God for hundreds of millions of people around the world. His attitude is a marked departure from his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI, who signed a document in 2005 stating that gay men could not become priests. Now bishops all over the world are going to wonder what the Pope’s statement means for them in their own churches.

The most crucial response to the Pope’s comments may come from countries whose governments and cultures are far less open to gays and lesbians than the United States and Europe. Countries like the Democratic Republic of Congo, for example, gay activity can be a crime, and violence against gays and lesbians is common. But the country is also nearly 50% Catholic, and if the Catholic Church adopted an attitude like Pope Francis is modeling, the climate toward the gay community could dramatically change.

The response in the United States will also be significant. When the Pope speaks and takes a position on an issue, the United States Council of Catholic Bishops is not going to directly contract him. Now visible Cardinals across the country will have to consider what steps they will take to not judge or marginalize their gay brothers and sisters. For example, a gay Catholic couple in Oceanside, NY, has been petitioning Cardinal Dolan to break bread with them since Easter. Dolan has not responded to the request, arguing that the couple lives outside his community, and that they want to foster debate. Now the Pope is setting a moral example that indicates he himself would probably dine with them, and that puts Dolan in a tight position.

As the Pope opened up about gays, he reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s position that women cannot become priests. “On the ordination of women, the church has spoken and said no,” he said. “John Paul II, in a definitive formulation, said that door is closed.” But he also argued that the Catholic church has an underdeveloped theology of women, and he seemed to suggest that the church needs to deepen its understanding of women and their roles in society. He reminded listeners that he holds women in the highest regard: “The Madonna is more important that the apostles, and the church herself is feminine, the spouse of Christ and a mother.” http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-says-he-does-not-jud
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Damn, the more he says, the more I like this guy! Reflections of TRUE Christianity from the head of the Christian Church...wow...

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Monday, July 29, 2013 6:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Damn, the more he says, the more I like this guy! Reflections of TRUE Christianity from the head of the Christian Church...wow...



Now if he could just get to the point where he considered women as worthy of the priesthood as gay men...


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, July 29, 2013 6:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Religion usually changes FAR slower than the rest of society, as the Catholic Church has been showing us for hundreds of years (hell, they're still fighting the concept of "divorce"!). I'll applaud all forward steps, slow tho' they may be, and wait for more.


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Monday, July 29, 2013 6:51 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


I was gonna start a thread on this.

I'm pissed at His Holiness. Not at his attitude toward gays, but at his attitude toward priests. He's their Boss, that's who he is. They took an very sacred oath of celibacy.

Gay feelings and attitudes are OK among priests, just like any other temptation, but they're supposed to resist them.

If they actually give in and commit ANY sexual act, they've broken their holy vows. He oughtta come down on them like a ton of rocks. He's their boss, that's his job.

Any secular corporate boss here in California can be held liable for sexual harassment in his workplace. Everywhere I've worked for the last 10 years gave repeated training seminars about the subject. They're all scared to death that they'll be sued by a victim , and lose, so they enforce it. They fire people for it, just as a legal matter.

Priests should be held to a higher, stricter, moral standard. I acknowledge the capability for repentance and forgiveness. Priests who are sincerely repentant should be forgiven, but their behavior not forgotten, not covered up, not excused. They should be removed from public positions and sent off to private, punitive monasteries-- the Catholic church has a very long history of such.

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Monday, July 29, 2013 7:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wake up, NewOld. It's The Church. "Do as I say, not as I do." You have unreasonable expectations. ;o)

Aside from which, I don't think he is in any way condoning homosexual ACTIONS, any more than heterosexual actions. I believe he's saying that priests who are attracted by the same sex should be no different than those attracted to the other sex; they shouldn't act on it, but they shouldn't be condemned for the feelings.

But that we should all be that way; people should never be condemned for their feelings, only for what they do with them. We all have feelings; I had "feelings" when Kochyok reached out and snagged the See's dark-chocolate Bordeaux candy that was sitting six inches from my hand on my footstool yesterday, right in front of me. I had the FEELING I'd like to smack her upside the haid, but I didn't ACT on it... ;o)


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Monday, July 29, 2013 7:44 AM

PENQUIN11


Round of applause, finally a progressive pope who follows the true spirit of Christianity. In the bible it is written that Christians are not to judge, that we are to show mercy. Finally there is a Pope who doesn't consider himself god, and is open to letting god do the divine judging rather than himself!!!!

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain

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Monday, July 29, 2013 8:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bingo. May he continue in that truly Christian vein in all his words and deeds.


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