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Yeah, guns are a real problem in our country.

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




If this woman had a gun, she'd not have had to endure this.



Door locked, at home, with her 3 year old. Thug breaks the window, and the beating commences.

She's lucky she wasn't raped, killed.

Dirt bag still at large.


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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:31 PM

JONGSSTRAW


I hope they get this bastard quickly.

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Is anyone surprised that Rappy is presenting a hypothetical as a fact?

"If this woman had a gun, she'd not have had to endure this."


I could as easily say "If this woman had a gun, she'd have been shot with it."


Statistically, I'm far more likely to be correct than you are.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Good to see that Kwickie is on the side of the women beating house invader here.

( Anyone surprised ? )

If she had a gun, with the knowledge and means of USING that gun, and this piece of human debris would be at room temperature now.

But, since you think guns are the problem, and not thugs who beat women, this is the world where you'd have everyone live.

She should have just called the cops, right ?

Thanks.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:24 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Good to see that Kwickie is on the side of the women beating house invader here.



He's not.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
If she had a gun, with the knowledge and means of USING that gun, and this piece of human debris would be at room temperature now.

But, since you think guns are the problem, and not thugs who beat women, this is the world where you'd have everyone live.

She should have just called the cops, right ?



For one how do you know she did not own a gun? Just because a person owns a gun does not mean they have it on them 24 hours a day. You don't know that she would have had time to go and get the gun and stop the attack. As was pointed out the women could have been shot with her own gun. Her child coudl have as well. There is just as much chance for a worse outcome as there is for a better one if you add a gun.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:18 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
For one how do you know she did not own a gun? Just because a person owns a gun does not mean they have it on them 24 hours a day. You don't know that she would have had time to go and get the gun and stop the attack. As was pointed out the women could have been shot with her own gun. Her child coudl have as well. There is just as much chance for a worse outcome as there is for a better one if you add a gun.



Excellent point, that.

Especially considering that she has a very young child, as a responsible gun owner, she would have had that gun secured away.

Otherwise, she might soon have been one of the unfortunate, deeply irresponsible former parents mourning the tragic death of a toddler who found her gun.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:37 AM

PIRATENEWS

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https://www.google.com/search?q=home+invasion+new+jersey

I like the little girl with a pillow over her head, just like most Amurikans live their entire lives.

I like the hidden camera covertly built inside an ordinary appliance. A black convicted felon who spent 10 years in fed prison stole my hidden camera from my dad's apartment this week while stealing $400,000, so I had a deputy sheriff standing in the living room hand on Glock ready to blow his head off if he walked back in the door (but he fled after kidnapping my dad). I prefer to have cops do my hits for me -- less paperwork for me.




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Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:02 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"For one how do you know she did not own a gun? Just because a person owns a gun does not mean they have it on them 24 hours a day. You don't know that she would have had time to go and get the gun and stop the attack. As was pointed out the women could have been shot with her own gun. Her child coudl have as well. There is just as much chance for a worse outcome as there is for a better one if you add a gun."

I know Jersey very well. Having, owning, buying, carrying a gun (LEGALLY) there is impossible. Doesn't stop the criminals, or the cops having them (much of the time, they are the same thing).

So, NO. She didn't have a gun. YES, she DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE.

But hey, NJ is a libs paradise. Like NYC.

THIS, folks, is what the democrats want for the entire country.

Isn't it time they got LEFT behind?





"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bang on, Nick. Hypotheticals are irrelevant, as is Rap's entire point. Statistics have shown quite clearly that having a gun in the home is no guarantee of safety, but raises the chance of accidental death or suicide. He has no point.


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Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


lol Niki,

Who pays your bills? How are you able to post such during the day?

Im willing to bet you are a stooge to some dem-lib organization.

Do they pay you in silver? 30 a month?


Your "statistics" have been disproven... anyone who cares to look up the true one, can do so. Just google it.

You post your parties line, no matter what. How you sleep at night.... its a mystery to me.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I sleep fine at night, but then, I'm not filled with anger and hate, and don't spend all my time here vilifying and attacking others.

I pay both mine and my husband's bills; he pays everything else. We live cheaply and aren't extravagant. I'm 65, I worked my entire life from the age of 16, put money in two 401k's and a retirement account, husband (now 75) did the same, we paid off our home over ten years ago and we're both retired. You obviously have a problem with honest people doing things the honest, hard-working way, since how I spend my time now is suspicious to you.

You're very sad.

"Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study"; http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

"Guns in the Home Provide Greater Health Risk Than Benefit"; http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427101532.htm

"Fact Sheet: Firearms and Intimate Partner Violence"; http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-cen
ter-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/IPV_Guns.pdf
(Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health)

"The health risk of having a gun in the home"; http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-
home


"Will your gun help you in the case of a home invasion?"; http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/01/05/will-your-gun-help-you-in
-the
/

"Guns in the home proving deadly for kids"; http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/children-protecti
on-gun-violence/2079177
/

"Guns in homes can increase risk of death and firearm-related violence"; http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100204/Guns-in-homes-can-increase-r
isk-of-death-and-firearm-related-violence.aspx


"Firearm safety"; http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Site905/mainpageS905P0.html

"Beliefs about the risks of guns in the home: analysis of a national survey"; http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/4/284.full

"Dangerous Gun Myths"; http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/dangerous-gun-myths.h
tml?_r=0


and on and on. The number of statistics which show having a gun in the home is more likely to result in injury or death than to protect someone is enormous, and comes from every spectrum of science and health.


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Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:41 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:I know Jersey very well. Having, owning, buying, carrying a gun (LEGALLY) there is impossible. Doesn't stop the criminals, or the cops having them (much of the time, they are the same thing).


New Jersey law says that it is very possible.

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf

In short, you are wrong.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:54 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I lived in N.J. for over 13 years. Sorry, YOU are wrong, clown.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - Go watch that video again. Maybe a dozen more times, and then tell that lady and her 3 year old all about your 'stats'.

See what good it does them.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:08 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
I lived in N.J. for over 13 years. Sorry, YOU are wrong, clown.



Well it looks like I know more about NJ laws after 5 minutes on the internet than you do in 13 years of living in the state. You should really learn how to use Google before you speak.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:09 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki - Go watch that video again. Maybe a dozen more times, and then tell that lady and her 3 year old all about your 'stats'.

See what good it does them.



If I was the mother I would take the beating 1000 times over before risking the life of my children.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki - Go watch that video again. Maybe a dozen more times, and then tell that lady and her 3 year old all about your 'stats'.

See what good it does them.



If I was the mother I would take the beating 1000 times over before risking the life of my children.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



* good point on the dog *

But still... Lying unconscious, possibly raped and bloody, or worse, to leave your 3 yr old alone, defenseless, to a thug who clearly has no respect for human life...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:30 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


A dog is probably most useful at preventing home invasion and burglaries. Most criminals are cowards, so unless you are being targeted by hit men (in which case, get yourself a gun), you'll prevent anyone from entering your premises if you have a dog that can bark.

My chap has a ferocios bark, but a lovely temperament. Sounds nasty but is nice. I feel safe with him around.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:33 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I sleep fine at night, but then, I'm not filled with anger and hate, and don't spend all my time here vilifying and attacking others.

I pay both mine and my husband's bills; he pays everything else. We live cheaply and aren't extravagant. I'm 65, I worked my entire life from the age of 16, put money in two 401k's and a retirement account, husband (now 75) did the same, we paid off our home over ten years ago and we're both retired. You obviously have a problem with honest people doing things the honest, hard-working way, since how I spend my time now is suspicious to you.




How dare you not be working 60 hours a week, even though you are 65. You are clearly a leech on society. Stop having a good life, do you hear!!

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:35 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you're an idiot.

Lying unconscious, possibly raped and bloody, or worse, to leave your 3 yr old alone, defenseless, to a thug who clearly has no respect for human life... Perhaps a Darwin Awards nomination is in your future.



...and the same would have happened had the women had a gun. Unless she was sitting there with it at the ready, which is fantasy, she does not get to the weapon before her attacker is on her. So literally she would have had a loaded weapon with her while watching cartoons with her child.

I also said I would take "the beating" indicating the one she took. The one in which her children were not harmed. Things might be different in a different situation. However in this one a gun does not make the situation better in any reality based scenario. Had the thug found her gun he may have used it on her and her children. In this situation a gun only has the potential to make things worse.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:36 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER



I read the stats. Women are most likely to be killed/physically assaulted or raped by an intimate partner or someone known to them. So having weapons in the house actually heightens risk to women, not lowers it.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
So having weapons in the house actually heightens risk to women, not lowers it.



Utter nonsense.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:18 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The hairy-lipped liberal dykes here always side with the savages.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The hairy-lipped liberal dykes here always side with the savages.



And to think, I never even knew you were a woman.

(I'm sure you can find a good depilatory for your mustache, though)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:15 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

And to think, I never even knew you were a woman.

(I'm sure you can find a good depilatory for your mustache, though)


Funny, 'cause I've known you were a liberal whore for many years.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I read the stats. Women are most likely to be killed/physically assaulted or raped by an intimate partner or someone known to them. So having weapons in the house actually heightens risk to women, not lowers it.




This is absolutely true, and can't be denied.

I mean "No one with more than two brain cells is denying these facts."

Oh. Hi Rappy! Hi RL!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 7:03 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I read the stats. Women are most likely to be killed/physically assaulted or raped by an intimate partner or someone known to them. So having weapons in the house actually heightens risk to women, not lowers it.




This is absolutely true, and can't be denied.

I mean "No one with more than two brain cells is denying these facts."





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Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I sleep fine at night, but then, I'm not filled with anger and hate, and don't spend all my time here vilifying and attacking others.'

Niki - I just want to reiterate something - you can always scroll. I took an inventory the other day of my memory of the posts I've read by the right-wing trolls. And I honestly couldn't think of a single one of them where I thought - I would have been sorry to have missed that. They're so stupid, and so predictable ... and really lame. C'mon girl - get off the tired and stale old treadmill, engage with the better class of debaters and raconteurs and historians here, kick up your heels and get some fresh air!

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Friday, June 28, 2013 4:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Everything you said, Kiki, although it's amusing to read your advice, given you are among the top posters who so frequently responds to them! ;o)

They don't bother me, except insofar as to occasionally make me sad when I hear about or know about people who've been pushed away from here because of their poisonousness. But I don't think about that a lot anymore, I mostly accept it's just how it is, and I do ignore a lot of threads and several peoples' posts.


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Friday, June 28, 2013 4:54 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, I have a high tolerance for a lot of things, except boredom. The difference between then and now is it suddenly occurred to me that I have not read a single thing - not one - from any of them in all these years that informed me of anything interesting in any way. And they suddenly became totally boring and completely useless to me. Maybe you could find some benefit from that perception.

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Friday, June 28, 2013 5:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree; I had noticed that a while back, and it's why I don't bother to read a lot of threads anymore. I already know what they will be, and they're not informing me of anything.

I try to find stories to put up of actual NEWS every day--harder to do with US media than others, admittedly, and most of ours repeat the same thing, and opinions on the same thing, and "more information" on the same things. I realized some time ago that our righties are focused pretty exclusively on their ideology, so I'm extra grateful for others who put up actual NEWS I wasn't aware of.

I HAVE read stuff, just off the top of my head from Rap, that was of interest and non-political in nature, but it's pretty rare.


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Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Seems the guy was arrested. Yay nanny cam.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The hairy-lipped liberal dykes here always side with the savages.



Charming.

I wonder if you respond with such obnoxiousness when someone disagrees with your view in RL, or you just save up your bile for when you come here.

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