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Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:40 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

When it became clear last fall that the CIA’s now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, the White House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story.

ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice before she appeared on five talk shows the Sunday after that attack.

White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.

That would appear to directly contradict what White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said about the talking points in November.

“Those talking points originated from the intelligence community. They reflect the IC’s best assessments of what they thought had happened,” Carney told reporters at the White House press briefing on November 28, 2012. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility’ because ‘consulate’ was inaccurate.”

Summaries of White House and State Department emails — some of which were first published by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard — show that the State Department had extensive input into the editing of the talking points.

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:


“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”

The paragraph was entirely deleted.

Like the final version used by Ambassador Rice on the Sunday shows, the CIA’s first drafts said the attack appeared to have been “spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo” but the CIA version went on to say, “That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.” The draft went on to specifically name the al Qaeda-affiliated group named Ansar al-Sharia.

Related: ABC News’ Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl Answers Your Questions About Benghazi

Once again, Nuland objected to naming the terrorist groups because “we don’t want to prejudice the investigation.”

In response, an NSC staffer coordinating the review of the talking points wrote back to Nuland, “The FBI did not have major concerns with the points and offered only a couple minor suggestions.”

After the talking points were edited slightly to address Nuland’s concerns, she responded that changes did not go far enough.

“These changes don’t resolve all of my issues or those of my buildings leadership,” Nuland wrote.

In an email dated 9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. — three days after the attack and two days before Ambassador Rice appeared on the Sunday shows – Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes wrote an email saying the State Department’s concerns needed to be addressed.

“We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.”

Related: Diplomat Says Requests For Benghazi Rescue Were Rejected

After that meeting, which took place Saturday morning at the White House, the CIA drafted the final version of the talking points – deleting all references to al Qaeda and to the security warnings in Benghazi prior to the attack.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said none of this contradicts what he said about the talking points because ultimately all versions were actually written and signed-off by the CIA.

“The CIA drafted these talking points and redrafted these talking points,” Carney said. “The fact that there are inputs is always the case in a process like this, but the only edits made by anyone here at the White House were stylistic and nonsubstantive. They corrected the description of the building or the facility in Benghazi from consulate to diplomatic facility and the like. And ultimately, this all has been discussed and reviewed and provided in enormous levels of detail by the administration to Congressional investigators, and the attempt to politicize the talking points, again, is part of an effort to, you know, chase after what isn’t the substance here.”

UPDATE: A source familiar with the White House emails on the Benghazi talking point revisions say that State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland was raising two concerns about the CIA’s first version of talking points, which were going to be sent to Congress: 1) The talking points went further than what she was allowed to say about the attack during her state department briefings; and, 2) she believed the CIA was attempting to exonerate itself at the State Department’s expense by suggesting CIA warnings about the security situation were ignored.

In one email, Nuland asked, why are we suggest Congress “start making assertions to the media [about the al Qaeda connection] that we ourselves are not making because we don’t want to prejudice the investigation?”

One other point: The significant edits – deleting references to al Qaeda and the CIA’s warnings – came after a White House meeting on the Saturday before Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on five Sunday shows. Nuland, a 30-year foreign service veteran who has served under Democratic and Republican Secretaries of State, was not at that meeting and played no direct role in preparing Rice for her interviews.



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talkin
g-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references
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And the revisions.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Benghazi%20Talking%20Points%20Ti
meline.pdf


Let the excuse-fest begin.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 4:14 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Same as I posted to Auraptor in his thread....

So what? They changed the facts to help Obama get elected and protect the State Dept...OK...but so what? They lied to Americans during the run-up to the election...good golly Miss Molly!

Where's the crime?

If Obama goes, we get Biden. Nothing is worth that. Petraeus is gone, Panetta is gone, Clinton is gone. Unless you're gonna prosecute them for some crime, then it's all just political masterbation.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:28 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.


What the fuck has Obama done about Benghazi ?


Jack shit.


Where was Obama when HE first heard the news of Amb. Steven's death ?

Where's the photos of Obama, and his staff, huddled around the monitors, inside the situation room, as they collect data and try to decipher their next course of action, as Americans are dying in Benghazi ?

Oh, that's right... he was packing for a trip to Vegas.

Never mind.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



( We had the evidence. Hate to burst your bubble, but so did the WH too. They lied )

And neither of the two silly posts above provide anything of which was asked.

No evidence of where Obama was, no photo of him or the cabinet in the situation room, while U.S. diplomats were under attack, not one gorram thing.


Just more of the same. Just childish, delusional denial of the facts.


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Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:41 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.




Yeah, and then let them walk away at Tora Bora...

OH, yeah, I left out the part about starting a war with Iraq, who wasn't involved...

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:53 AM

HKCAVALIER


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Yeah, and then let them walk away at Tora Bora...

OH, yeah, I left out the part about starting a war with Iraq, who wasn't involved...

Details, details...geopolitics is complex stuff...anybody can cherry pick a couple isolated, incriminating details, blow them way up until they're grounds for impeachment...oh, wait...never mind...

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:49 AM

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Quote:

Details, details...geopolitics is complex stuff...anybody can cherry pick a couple isolated, incriminating details, blow them way up until they're grounds for impeachment...oh, wait...never mind...


"Watergate AND Iran Contra...TIMES TEN!!!!"



I just keep remembering that, and it keeps making me laugh...


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Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.




Yeah, and then let them walk away at Tora Bora...

OH, yeah, I left out the part about starting a war with Iraq, who wasn't involved...

Does anyone evevn KNOW/CARE who was responsible for Benghazi? Stop effing trying to hide behind " But Bush... ". My god you're such gorram juveniles!

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)








"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone evevn KNOW/CARE who was responsible for Benghazi?




Does that matter? According to the GOP, it doesn't matter as long as they think they can impeach Obama for it. Or preemptively impeach Hillary (even though she hasn't announced if she's even running for office), however that's supposed to work.


You seem to indicate that nobody KNOWS/CARES who was responsible or what really happened, but you've been very, very, VERY willing to lay it all at the feet of the president and the State Department.


Apparently the only people you don't place any of the blame on are the people who actually attacked the consulate and killed our people.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What if the Libyans who killed our people were really the "good guy(s) with guns" in this situation?


Ever consider that?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



What ABC Left Out Of Its Report On Benghazi Talking Points

Quote:

ABC News published on Friday what it promoted as an “exclusive” report purportedly uncovering new and seemingly damning evidence implicating the Obama administration in its handling of talking points it generated in the aftermath of the terror attacks on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya last September.
The report boiled down to two main points: that State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland — a former Dick Cheney aide — objected to including information in the talking points noting that the CIA had issued previous warnings that there was a threat to U.S. assets in Benghazi from al-Qaeda-linked groups because, Nuland said in an email, it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either?”
The second point was that Nuland objected to naming the terror groups the U.S. believed were involved in the attack because, she said, “we don’t want to prejudice the investigation.”
And with that, the ABC report suggests the State Department “scrubbed” the talking points of terror references as some sort of nefarious cover-up of what really happened in Benghazi for political reasons. This, of course, playing into the GOP’s conspiracy theory that President Obama was trying to preserve his campaign theme that his policies had significantly crippled the terror network.
The story soon set reporters and Twitter alight. “Scrubbing the truth from Benghazi,” a National Journal headline read. Even the BBC speculated that “heads will roll.”
But absent in ABC’s report is the key point that Obama and various members of his administration referred to the Benghazi assault as a terror attack on numerous occasions shortly after the incident (thereby negating the need to “scrub” any references in the talking points) and that then-CIA Director David Petraeus said the terrorist references were taken out to, as the New York Times reported, “avoid tipping off the groups” that may have been involved.
Moreover, an update to the ABC report undermines the notion that Nuland’s motives were campaign related or political:
A source familiar with the White House emails on the Benghazi talking point revisions say that State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland was raising two concerns about the CIA’s first version of talking points, which were going to be sent to Congress: 1) The talking points went further than what she was allowed to say about the attack during her state department briefings; and, 2) she believed the CIA was attempting to exonerate itself at the State Department’s expense by suggesting CIA warnings about the security situation were ignored.
In other words, ABC’s “exclusive” reveals a turf battle, not some cover-up. As it turns out, the story is more about how talking points are generated in the interagency process, a point the Hill newspaper took notice of in its headline reporting on ABC’s story:

Indeed, as Media Matters’ Jeremy Holden noted, “ABC is left with a major exclusive dissecting the distinction between input and editing.”




http://tinyurl.com/d2929gc



Anyone ever been in on a committee decision using Word or GoogleDocs? Ever set the program to track changes and edits? Ever watch how much such stuff changes over the course of the pre-meeting edits?

Yeah, my guess is, this is what happened with the talking points.

But please, Republicans, continue your feeding frenzy. It is most entertaining.




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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You reallY REALLY want this to go away, huh ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!







In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_(Firefly)

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You reallY REALLY want this to go away, huh ?



Yeah, that's why I keep posting to these Benghazi threads - because I want them to fall off the bottom of the page, so I keep posting stuff to bring them up top again. Yeah, that's the ticket. And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids![/sarcasm]



By all means, enjoy your little GOP circle-jerk. I don't think you realize how much more ridiculous it makes you look. Please proceed. I've been hearing since Obama even served his first 100 days how the Republicans were going to impeach him, for something, anything, no matter what they had to say or do to make it happen.

So yes, just keep going. It provides much hilarity for me.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Here's me, trying to make this whole thing go away again by moving it back to the top of the active threads list...



With Zero Evidence Republicans Call For Obama To Be Impeached Over Benghazi

Quote:

Republicans were never able to defeat President Obama at the ballot box, so they are trying to drum up a scandal to justify impeaching him. If this all sounds familiar, it should. A House of Representatives led by radical Republicans tried to elevate the Lewinsky affair to an impeachable offense against Bill Clinton. It backfired, and made Clinton more popular with the American people.

Benghazi isn’t a search for truth. It is a desperate political Hail Mary. Republicans seeing the looming possibility of 16 years of Democratic White House control. Benghazi is their desperate attempt to remove Barack Obama, and stop Hillary Clinton from being elected president in 2016.

Back in 2009, Republicans thought they could use Obamacare to win the election in 2012. They couldn’t. Inhofe’s comments made it clear that they are going to try to keep Benghazi alive until 2016, but this too will fail. Instead of worrying about jobs or the economy, Republicans are wasting our tax dollars trumping up a scandal.




http://www.politicususa.com/evidence-republicans-call-obama-impeached-
benghazi.html




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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:01 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Were Lysol scrubbing bubbles involved? 'Cause that orange tv stuff doesn't work for shit.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You gotta' to stop believing the hucksters and their flim-flam products - yanno, Billy Mays, dubya, trickle down - 'cause every time you talk about that shit you let everyone know you're just another mark.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:19 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Congratulations.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:27 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.

So,what was Iraq all about? Spreading freedom?

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:54 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Congratulations.


Thank you. I met her in college at a Freshman dance. She doesn't look her age at all. Me, not so much.

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:42 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Funny how Demorats continue to give Bush immunity for all his crimes...




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Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:55 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.

Don't forget the invasion of Iraq. Yay for Bush!

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Let the excuse-fest begin.



And it does.

We got the "But Bush..."

We got the "It's all a Repub witch hunt."

We got the cute captioned pictures

"But Bush..." again

The "It's all about trying to impeach Obama" meme

Mike's obligatory "Good guys with guns" non sequitur

A cite of some blog from an extremely liberal source downplaying ABC's story.

A few personal insults.

More pictures with zero actual content.

An editorial cited as fact.

And more "But Bush..."


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


From The Borowitz Report:

Quote:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what may be the most serious allegation ever made against the former Secretary of State, Fox News Channel reported today that Hillary Clinton was involved in the conspiracy to murder President Abraham Lincoln.

The latest charge against Mrs. Clinton was reported by Fox host Sean Hannity, who said that the evidence of her role in the Lincoln assassination came mainly in the form of e-mails.

According to Mr. Hannity, “If it’s true that Hillary Clinton killed Lincoln, this could have a major impact on her chances in 2016.”

The accusation against Mrs. Clinton drew a strong response from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R.—S. Carolina): “There’s been a concerted effort by Hillary Clinton to cover up her role in President Lincoln’s murder. She has said nothing about it. This is bigger than Watergate, the Cuban missile crisis, and the Second World War put together.”

Responding to the allegation, Mrs. Clinton issued a terse statement indicating that she could not have participated in Lincoln’s assassination because she was born in 1947.

“That’s what she wants us to believe,” Sen. Graham said.



http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/05/fox-new-e
vidence-hillary-killed-lincoln.html



Yes, for those too stupid to figure it out, it's satire.



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush's reaction to 9/11 was to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan,and track down the leaders behind the attacks.

So,what was Iraq all about? Spreading freedom?



You really don't know ?

Wow.

It was a failure to comply w/ UN Resolutions. It had zero to do w/ 9/11. Where in the hell were you the past 12 years ?



On March 17, 2003, Lord Goldsmith, Attorney General of the UK, set out his government's legal justification for an invasion of Iraq. He said that Security Council resolution 678 authorised force against Iraq, which was suspended but not terminated by resolution 687, which imposed continuing obligations on Iraq to eliminate its weapons of mass destruction. A material breach of resolution 687 would revive the authority to use force under resolution 678. In resolution 1441 the Security Council determined that Iraq was in material breach of resolution 687 because it had not fully carried out its obligations to disarm. Although resolution 1441 had given Iraq a final chance to comply, UK Attorney General Goldsmith wrote "it is plain that Iraq has failed so to comply". Most member governments of the United Nations Security Council made clear that after resolution 1441 there still was no authorization for the use of force. Indeed, at the time 1441 was passed, both the U.S. and UK representatives stated explicitly that 1441 contained no provision for military action. As the New York Times noted about the negotiations,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#2003
_Iraq_War


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Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:34 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:



Let the excuse-fest begin.

And it does.

...


An editorial cited as fact.



Well, in fairness, that's how you began this whole thread.


And you oh so conveniently left out a whole bunch of "... but OBAMA!"


One might get the idea your withered old brain is broken and biased.






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Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:37 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




And then Rappy tries to explain the U.S. invasion of Iraq by bringing up the UK's justification for invading Iraq.



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:28 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone evevn KNOW/CARE who was responsible for Benghazi?





It's cute when teabillies get on their soap boxes and monologue about that which they ADMIT they have no clue of in the first place.







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Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone evevn KNOW/CARE who was responsible for Benghazi?





It's cute when teabillies get on their soap boxes and monologue about that which they ADMIT they have no clue of in the first place.





But we DO know. Unlike you.

We know NOW , despite this WH's attempt to cover up, the facts that there were 12 revisions of the talking points, which completely scrubbed any and all talk of al-qaeda or radical Islamic groups involved in this attacks. And doing so in favor of this crazy, cooked up story about a YouTube video, which hardly ANYONE had seen, and which had been posted way back in June of that summer.

We now know that the State Dept ignored CIA reports and failed to raise the threat level, despite multiple warnings and events.

You keep pushing this insane narrative that there's nothing there, even after the WH admitted to covering this up. They use the words like 'stylistic' changes, and you buy it, hook, line and sinker, but in fact, those are incredibly substantive and concrete changes.

This admin is too incompetent to deal w/ the real world , or it was trying to cover something up, something other than its incompetence.

There are no other possible explanations.


Quote:


And then Rappy tries to explain the U.S. invasion of Iraq by bringing up the UK's justification for invading Iraq.



I succeeded, actually. The reasons were one in the same. Iraq failed to comply, and it also shows that the U.S. didn't 'unilaterally' decide to go to war, as all the phony anti-war ( which were just anti-Bush ) types love to chant.

But, as you'd find fault for anything I post, what difference does it make ?



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:19 AM

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Holy crap! This is so fullbloodedly retarded. You're talking about a press release!

A PRESS RELEASE.

That's basically White House ad copy. There is no legal nor criminal significance to what the fucking Press Secretary refrains from saying. They can revise their talking points a hundred and fifty thousand times and it's all totally legit. A press release does not set policy, it neither saves nor endangers lives. It's gorram AD COPY. What's wrong with you?

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:28 AM

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'll let this speak for me:
Quote:

10 Examples Of Why The Republican ‘Benghazi’ Talking Point Is Hypocritical

At this point it’s well-established there was no wrongdoing by President Barack Obama or former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton when it came to the response to the terror strike in Benghazi that Fox News and conservatives around the nation have been trying to use to score political points against the high-profile Democratic leaders.

Unfortunately for Republicans, the fact that they have pushed so hard when there was no “scandal” ( http://www.alan.com/2013/05/07/fox-news-pentagon-refutes-claim-that-tr
oops-could-have-been-on-ground-in-time-to-stop-second-benghazi-attack.
]) shows that they were only out to use Benghazi for the political ammunition. Here’s even more proof, with 10 examples of other things that Republicans didn’t seem nearly so upset about or interested in investigating/ Details at http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/12/ten-things-republicans-cared-a
bout-less-than-benghazi/
]



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Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Holy crap! This is so fullbloodedly retarded. You're talking about a press release!

A PRESS RELEASE.




No, it's much more than a 'press release'. It spurred on the talking points for UN Sec Rice, to go on 5 Sunday morning shows, and repeat the same lie, 5 different times. It was the basis for Obama and SecState Clinton's cutting a PSA, to be aired in WHERE ?? Pakistan, of all places, about a video no one saw, after a amb. in Libya was killed. Tell us again how THAT fits into the real world ??

It was far more than a 'press release'.

Quote:


That's basically White House ad copy. There is no legal nor criminal significance to what the fucking Press Secretary refrains from saying. They can revise their talking points a hundred and fifty thousand times and it's all totally legit. A press release does not set policy, it neither saves nor endangers lives. It's gorram AD COPY. What's wrong with you?

HKCavalier




What's wrong w/ us is that we have in office the most inept, incompetent and arrogant leaders the free world has seen in possibly EVER.

And Niki.. anytime you let D I C K Durbin speak for you, you've lost the argument.


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Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:01 AM

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Quote:

For months, Fox News has been promising to blow open the Benghazi cover-up that they’re sure is worse than Watergate, Iran-Contra and the Titanic, multiplied by the Hindenburg to the Teapot Dome Scandal power. And again and again, the same essential facts have emerged. As protests raged at U.S. embassies across the region, the U.S. military tried and failed to protect the diplomatic mission in Benghazi.

On Wednesday’s Daily Show, Jon Stewart explained how Republicans and Fox News are outraged at a supposed cover-up that they can’t prove or explain, and are equally outraged that no one else is outraged.

The right suggests the lack of outrage in Benghazi is part of the left’s continued control of the media. But the media loves a good scandal, and would jump right in if one existed.

The fact is, most Americans are skeptical of the GOP not because of media bias, but because we have a memory. We all know the the GOP has a tendency, as Hypervocal‘s Slade Sohmer points out, to “cry wolf.”

We remember the ridiculous impeachment of President Clinton. We remember the fixed intelligence that led to the Iraq War. We remember birtherism, Solyndra, Fast and Furious — all examples of the GOP trying to conjure scandals that in no way resonated with the American public.

And some of us even remember Mitt Romney politicizing the attacks in Libya within hours of the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans, attacking embassy officials in a bizarre manner that continued his obsession of accusing President Obama of “apologizing for America.” Romney humiliated himself that night, and again in the second presidential debate when he accused the president of refusing to call the attacks “terror” when Obama had in fact used that exact word the day after the attack.

President Obama has been trying to commit what the GOP considers the greatest high crime and misdemeanor: Being a Democratic president who finishes his second term. So you can’t expect them to ever give up on trying to turn Benghazi into Watergate, unless they find some bright, shiny new scandal that actually makes sense. http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-party-that-cries-wolf-jon-stewart-expl
ains-why-no-one-is-buying-fox-news-never-ending-benghazi-outrage/
]

Watch and laugh: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-8-2013/the-big-benghazi-theo
ry----if
-

"worse than Watergate, Iran-Contra and the Titanic, multiplied by the Hindenburg to the Teapot Dome Scandal power" ...


"What's wrong with you?" We already know the answer to that one...

(Rap, little man, I didn't let Dick Durban speak for me, that's hysterical; I put up a quote from him, period. Even a busted clock is right twice a day, but you? Virtually never.)

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:11 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

...what difference does it make ?





Oh their god - Hillary has gotten to Rappy now!



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:26 AM

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Quote:

I'll let this speak for me:



Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

(Rap, little man, I didn't let Dick Durban speak for me, that's hysterical; I put up a quote from him, period.





http://tvshrine.com/buffy/b-huh2.wav

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:31 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)








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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Holy crap! This is so fullbloodedly retarded. You're talking about a press release!

A PRESS RELEASE.




No, it's much more than a 'press release'. It spurred on the talking points for UN Sec Rice, to go on 5 Sunday morning shows, and repeat the same lie, 5 different times.

Do you even know what a talking point is??? It's ad copy. It's spin. It is not, fundamentally, journalism. Journalism is what folk do to find out if the talking points reflect reality. When they don't reflect reality, that's an embarrassment, perhaps, but it is IN NO WAY criminal nor actionable in any gorram way.

She went on some MORNING TALK SHOWS. The fuck is wrong with you? From the beginning, Benghazi was called an "act of terror." Your "coverup" doesn't exist. The talking points and all their revisions WERE RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE. That's how you know about your "coverup." Fullbloodedly retarded.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:48 AM

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Oh, damn, Mike, you missed prize for first guffaw of the morning by THAT much! That's WONDERFUL...how about prize for first SUSTAINED laugh of the morning? "Fast Relief From Landslide Election Defeat"... priceless...

Many thanx!
Quote:

The fuck is wrong with you?

Oh, Cav, you already KNOW...don't let him get to you, just think of him as a "talking TV" constantly tuned to FauxNews...zat better?


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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And it turns out that the "e-mail" that ABC supposedly has looks to be a scam - a doctored e-mail talking about things that the original never mentioned.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/who_doctored_a_white_house_email/

Quote:

Was ABC News used by someone with an ax to grind against the State Department? It looks possible. A key email in its “scoop” that the administration’s “talking points” on Benghazi had been changed a dozen times came from White House national security communications adviser Ben Rhodes. It seemed to confirm that the White House wanted the talking points changed to protect all agencies’ interests, “including those of the State Department,” in the words of the email allegedly sent by Rhodes.

But CNN’s Jake Tapper reveals that Rhodes’ email didn’t mention the State Department, and doesn’t even seem to implicitly reference it. The email as published by Karl differs significantly from the original obtained by Tapper.

According to ABC’s Jonathan Karl, Rhodes weighed in after State Department’s Victoria Nuland, who expressed concerns about the way the talking points might hurt “my building’s leadership.” ABC quotes Rhodes saying:

We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.

The email obtained by Tapper is very different.

Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.

There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.

We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.

You can read the original here.

Significantly, the Rhodes email doesn’t even mention the controversial Benghazi talking points. Reporting by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard paraphrased Rhodes’ email the same way – to depict him jumping in behind Nuland and protecting the interests of the State Department. Some on the right have suggested Karl and Tapper might be talking about two different emails, but in the ABC and CNN stories, the emails are dated identically, 9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. Tapper provides the original; Karl did not.

Presumably, someone changed Rhodes’ email before leaking it to Karl, but ABC News hasn’t replied to the scoop by Tapper (who used to work there). ABC’s story added fuel to the Benghazi fire; we’ll see if CNN’s helps put it out.






Let the excuse-fest from the right begin...



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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:51 AM

STORYMARK


Aw, Kwick beat me to it.

Though I doubt well get much in the way of excuses. They'll just pretend this never happened, then start a new thread about this imaginary cover-up.

Buffoons.




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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:39 PM

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Did I call it or what?

No response to this from the raptard - but he's already started a new thread to complain about this fictinal cover-up. A thread with not a shred of ANYTHING, except his whining.

Priceless.




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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:39 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

A survey released by Public Policy Polling on Monday found that 41 percent of Republicans believed that the alleged Benghazi cover up was the biggest scandal in American history. The poll also found that 39 percent of those people did not know that Benghazi was located in Libya.



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/13/tea-party-leader-dick-armey-conf
uses-benghazi-with-bangladesh
/

GOP: Not letting facts get in the way of their phony indignation!






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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And it turns out that the "e-mail" that ABC supposedly has looks to be a scam - a doctored e-mail talking about things that the original never mentioned.




So it's good news to you that there's so much in-fighting and finger pointing within the Administration that someone would fake an e-mail to put blame on the State Department?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And it turns out that the "e-mail" that ABC supposedly has looks to be a scam - a doctored e-mail talking about things that the original never mentioned.




So it's good news to you that there's so much in-fighting and finger pointing within the Administration that someone would fake an e-mail to put blame on the State Department?





I've yet to see any evidence that anyone "within the Administration" did this, only that the e-mail that ABCNews reported and quoted was faked.

But by all means, keep spinning, boy! Spin, boy, SPIN!





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