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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gotta love those "responsible American gun owners":
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After Trayvon Martin was murdered, his hoodie was turned into a popular gun range target, which eventually sold out. If that weren't bad enough, now there are “Barocky” gun range targets which eerily resemble President Obama.

Zombie Industries, the creators of gory zombies targets, also produces one named “Rocky,” or “Barocky”, as it is commonly called, which appears to be an Obama effigy.

...those of us who are not on the far right already believe that we live amongst zombies. We’re already prepared, because although the outbreak didn’t begin when President Obama was elected, it increased exponentially. http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/02/black-news/gun-supply-sells-baro
cky-target-zombie-which-resembles-president-obama
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They changed the colors, and it showed up at an NRA convention:
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For gun-toting, Republican-supporting and President-hating Americans, a 3D shooting target that looks like an undead Barack Obama could be the perfect gift. The controversial targets have, however, now been removed from sale at the National Rifle Association convention in Texas, at the request of organisers.

“Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it,” a worker from Zombie Industries, which makes the targets, told BuzzFeed.com. “They thought it looked too much like President Obama.” Another worker, who was talking to a group of men at the booth, said, “They are just scared some liberal reporter will come by and start b****ing. But ya know, he does look very familiar.”

The group seems to recognise that at a time of heightened fears over gun massacres and terrorism, encouraging people to shoot at a likeness of Mr Obama would cause upset.

It also draws attention to a desire among gun-owners to shoot at things that are a bit easier to hit than live animals, but more tangible than a piece of paper. While gun makers like to insist that people are not inspired by what they see on screen, the choice of zombie imagery follows a fashion for the genre in films and video games, such as “The Walking Dead”.

Customers can choose from “bleeding zombies” that emit a bright colour when hit, as well as “mutilating zombies” that, according to the firm’s website, “physically show visible bodily devastation when shot. That’s right, the destruction is easy to see with every shot... Mutilation baby!”

The Obama-like torso called “Rocky” is among dubious company: others in the range include a Nazi SS soldier, a “terrorist” doll that resembles Osama Bin Laden and one called “Bobo the clown”. Another is named, charmingly, “the ex”, which looks like a dark-haired woman, presumably sold to scorned gun-owners to release their frustration.
http://cdn.zombieindustries.com/shop/images/5086/?400,400,2,936209579
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-undead-prez-nra-b
ans-zombie-obamalookalike-target-from-its-convention-8605154.html


From the manufacturers, on their website:
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The Zombie virus does not discriminate and neither does Zombie Industries! All of our Zombies are fictitious characters for god’s sake… Don’t let the liberal media allow your imagination run wild with silly ideas… there is no political motivation… we hate ALL Zombies regardless of who they were! http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&
;safe=off&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fzombieindustries.com%2Fshop%2Frocky-zombie%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fzombieindustries.com%2Fshop%2Frocky-zombie%2F&gs_l=hp.3...737.737.0.1652.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.1...1c.2.2.hp.KzjS-FaA_gM&pbx=1


http://cdn.zombieindustries.com/shop/images/5086/?400,400,2,936209579
One of the "features": " Life-sized Zombie target BLEEDS when you shoot it!!!"

Of course, you've been able to get PAPER targets of an "Obama zombie" for far less than $90 for a long time now (Wulf no doubt has several), fully dressed and with the text "Looks like Obama hugged the wrong hippie after a recent speech at an Occupy movement. Now he is infected and ready to redistribute. Save yourself from the leader of the free world!"

There is just so much about this that is just....just...
...no comment...

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:27 AM

HKCAVALIER


In before: But, but! Danish people making a mockumentary about GWB getting shot and its aftermath is so much worse!!!

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:41 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
In before: But, but! Danish people making a mockumentary about GWB getting shot and its aftermath is so much worse!!!

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Was just going to bring that up.




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:56 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Most of the ranges near me are indoor ones... so no... I dont have those silly targets. Would be fun to shoot one of them tho. (Btw, they've been out for a couple of years now.. but since your side got donkey punched over the last gun-control push, I guess you need SOMETHING to get all upset about.)



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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:59 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:

It's a target - gotta look like somebody. Did you also demonize "The BIble" on the History Channel because Satan resembled Obama?



Oh, come on - they call it the "Barocky" and you don't think it's meant to be anyone specific....? Seriously?






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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Good thing it's ZOMBIE Obama, and not actual PRESIDENT Obama.

I mean, it's not like anyone made a movie, or wrote a book about murdering him, right ?

Zombie Obama is already dead, so it's o.k.

*shrug*


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Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it



Why? Doesn't the NRA hate everyone who isn't a member ? Why would they ask that this thing be removed, if they hated Obama so damn much ?




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:46 PM

HKCAVALIER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Good thing it's ZOMBIE Obama, and not actual PRESIDENT Obama.

I mean, it's not like anyone made a movie, or wrote a book about murdering him, right ?

Zombie Obama is already dead, so it's o.k.

*shrug*


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Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it



Why? Doesn't the NRA hate everyone who isn't a member ? Why would they ask that this thing be removed, if they hated Obama so damn much ?



I win the interwebz!

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:17 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Good thing it's ZOMBIE Obama, and not actual PRESIDENT Obama.

I mean, it's not like anyone made a movie, or wrote a book about murdering him, right ?

Zombie Obama is already dead, so it's o.k.

*shrug*


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Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it



Why? Doesn't the NRA hate everyone who isn't a member ? Why would they ask that this thing be removed, if they hated Obama so damn much ?



We knew you wouldn't dissapoint. Predictably moronic as ever.




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:36 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Good thing it's ZOMBIE Obama, and not actual PRESIDENT Obama.

I mean, it's not like anyone made a movie, or wrote a book about murdering him, right ?

Zombie Obama is already dead, so it's o.k.

*shrug*


Quote:


Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it



Why? Doesn't the NRA hate everyone who isn't a member ? Why would they ask that this thing be removed, if they hated Obama so damn much ?



We knew you wouldn't dissapoint. Predictably moronic as ever.



So, no actual denial that it's 'zombie' Obama, huh? Or that the Left does exactly what it mocks the Right for doing ?

Thanks for playing.

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:44 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:

It's a target - gotta look like somebody. Did you also demonize "The BIble" on the History Channel because Satan resembled Obama?



Oh, come on - they call it the "Barocky" and you don't think it's meant to be anyone specific....? Seriously?






Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Yeah, point being - BFD.



Well, I didn't say it WAS a big deal... but you were implying that it wasn't an effigy of Obama... which is pretty obviously not even remotely the case.

Really, this was just an opportunity to point out rappys hipocracy. A movie, made in another country, which depicted the aftermath of a Bush assassination was the WORST THING EVER to that tool - but he thinks shooting an effigy is a-okay.

You asked about rappyland - case in point.




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


" Zombie " effigy, in this case. Wasn't even REAL Obama effigy.

Let's not be leavin' that part out.



And exactly where am I being a hypocrite ?

S'plain, please.

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Good thing it's ZOMBIE Obama, and not actual PRESIDENT Obama.

I mean, it's not like anyone made a movie, or wrote a book about murdering him, right ?

Zombie Obama is already dead, so it's o.k.

*shrug*


Quote:


Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it



Why? Doesn't the NRA hate everyone who isn't a member ? Why would they ask that this thing be removed, if they hated Obama so damn much ?



I win the interwebz!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.





So I have to ask, because Rappy so predictably did exactly what y'all said he would:

Rappy, was the ACTUAL President Bush murdered for that movie? Was ANYONE in the movie actually murdered during the making of it?

You've pointed out that this target is not the "ACTUAL President Obama" - so was the person killed in the movie the ACTUAL President Bush?

Yes or no.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:
Well, there was the dude here in Kalifornia that hung Bush in effigy, but that was pretty much a-okay with the left-wing. Didn't hear any opposition to it. Personally? I don't care. Do whatever you want to likenesses of whoever. Kind of a freedom of speech thing, be it Bush, Obama, whomever. But, don't be surprised when somebody raises an eyebrow or if men in black trench coats show up at your door.

But really, I think it kind of points to the hypocrisy and double-standard of the left. if anything.




I don't recall you speaking out against people hanging Obama in effigy. Did I miss it? Or is it just your usual right-wing hypocrisy on parade?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I win the interwebz!

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Danish, Canadian, American... as Hillary screeched " WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE ? "

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"Paying to attention"?


You cared enough to note that some guy (allegedly) hung Bush in effigy, and you claim "the left" was okay with that, which rather implies that you DO care.

So you seem to have that same hypocrisy gene you're whinging about.

Not that that comes as any great surprise. You're a right-winger, after all - hypocrisy comes as easy to you as breathing!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It's been firmly established that the Left are far more hypocritical than are the Right.

It's not even remotely close.

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:51 AM

AGENTROUKA


I find the whole thing disgusting. No matter who or what is being realistically depicted in order to be ripped apart by bullets, it's feeding a rather disturbed attraction to imitating actual carnage. When it barely hides the likeness of a real-life public figure, that becomes extra-disturbing. I am seriously disgusted by people who would so gleefully indulge in that sort of violence-imitation. It seems worse than video games to me because it's a real physical act.

I'm especially troubled by the "The Ex" target. Encourage those violent revenge fantasies, go ahead. Because over and over imagining doing something like this is in no way a common precursor to carrying it out. It feeds the lowest of low human emotions. Misogyny for the win!

Note: I'm not saying this should be outlawed. I'm saying those are some sick, sick people.

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


While it is sick , I think some are making much ado about nothing. It's a zombie figure. Zombies are kinda popular now, like it or not. If the NRA told them to take it down, props to them. There'll always be folks who revel in the mockery of pub figures, Presidents & the like. That's just human nature, and prolly goes back to the Greeks, Romans and before.

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's been firmly established that the Left are far more hypocritical than are the Right.

It's not even remotely close.




Says the Mark Sanford supporter...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
While it is sick , I think some are making much ado about nothing. It's a zombie figure. Zombies are kinda popular now, like it or not. If the NRA told them to take it down, props to them. There'll always be folks who revel in the mockery of pub figures, Presidents & the like. That's just human nature, and prolly goes back to the Greeks, Romans and before.




Apparently you've "evolved", then.

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Posted by Rappy:


I believe this crosses the line of 'responsible' free speech,and that if the writers/ directors of this movie step foot in the US, they should be detained. Threatening the life of a sitting President,(which is clearly exactly what this movie depticts ) is against US law. They can dress it up any way they want, as 'an exercise in thought provoking fiction', or what ever the hell they call it, I call it down right evil. We don't need a 'fictional' national tragedy to amuse some pin headed fascination as to how a nation copes w/ another crisis. A generation before mine dealt w/ the assassination of JFK. Where were you when you heard the news... . Virtually every man and woman who was alive then can tell us exactly where they were, and what they were doing. Since then, we've had single events which brought the nation to tears, none the least of which was 9/11.

Given today's climate in the world, with Islamo-fascist murdering folks all over the globe, this is the most dispicable and reckless piece of shit I've ever heard.



http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=23907



Or more likely, you have zero problem with this because it depicts a president you don't like, and you're totally okay with the idea of him being shot.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, thank you, thank you Rouka! I was surprised when I turned on my computer and saw how long this thread had become, disappointed when I saw it was nothing but the usual left-right back-and-forth bullshit, because to me it's much more. IF there had been a similar zombie target--or any other kind of target--done of Dubya or ANY figure from the right, I would be as incensed as I am about it, and, well, "EXACTLY what you said".

But it's partisan, so of course one side thinks it's just great and the other thinks it's disgusting. Got news for you: It's disgusting, WHOEVER it portrays. I thought guns were just for hunting and self-protection, useful tools, all that crap, right? Then why is it so cool to make them into a game, killing the figure of a woman--or even a zombie, since everyone fully knows that's just a fake human being? That it's a representation of our President takes it about as far as it can be taken...but that's not the basic point.

Figure of a dark-haired woman. Yeah, you need target practice like that, 'cuz everyone knows WHY. And that's the point.


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 5:05 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Just ripping off a video game targeting zombie Conservatives and Tea Party figures.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/video-game-targets-tea-part
y-zombies-fox-news-personalities
/

Looks like it's time for you to get incensed, Niki.


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 5:11 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:
Well, there was the dude here in Kalifornia that hung Bush in effigy, but that was pretty much a-okay with the left-wing. Didn't hear any opposition to it. Personally? I don't care. Do whatever you want to likenesses of whoever. Kind of a freedom of speech thing, be it Bush, Obama, whomever. But, don't be surprised when somebody raises an eyebrow or if men in black trench coats show up at your door.

But really, I think it kind of points to the hypocrisy and double-standard of the left. if anything.



Now I truly do think you're a sock puppet. Between your writing style, the fallacious points you make, and your total your sole focus on RWED, after only a token visit to non political threads.... yeah, I think the game is up for you.

No one said this is horrible - we've just pointed out the temper tantrum the right threw when the shoe was on the other foot. Oh, and I you were the one that implied it weasn't supposed to be Obama, were proven wrong, and THEN jumped to "it doesn't matter.

You seem to think pointing this out a double standard is the same as doing it. You're just like the raptard - and you probably ARE him. Either way, just another run of the mill right wing idealogue.






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"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 5:25 AM

AGENTROUKA


I'll offer up a whole-hearted: That's super-wrong and disturbing. And they offer a crowbar weapon? What is wrong with these people?

(I hold with my earlier view that I find video games vaguely less disturbing than physical acts, but that's only a very small degree of difference.)

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Geezer, I TOTALLY decry what you described; excuse me if I don't go to the link, your description is quite sufficient. Disgusting. Only slightly less disgusting than an individual physical target figure which bleeds when you shoot it.

Yeah, Mark, the more he writes the less I see him as an individual. "Kalifornia", black trench coats, hyphenation of double-standard (which wouldn't be hyphenated), "left", "left", "left". Pretty much says it for me.


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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At the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Houston, Texas this weekend, a company that sells shooting targets "designed to help YOU prepare for the upcoming Zombie outbreak" displayed much of what is wrong with the pro-gun movement with its foul "Ex-Girlfriend" target that bleeds when you shoot it. The more you shoot the iconization of the woman you hate (a 'slut' with her large breasts bulging out of her tank top) the more she bleeds and her body, once sexy, becomes mangled. It is a startling reminder of the normalization of violence against women in America, and the latest in delegitimization of the pro-gun lobby's claims that firearms are an equalizer for women.


News flash to Zombie Industries: Violence against women, particularly by intimate partners, is a huge problem in America. In fact, "Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women – more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined." In 2010, nearly six times more women were shot by and killed by husbands or intimate acquaintances than were killed by male strangers. It's not surprising, considering a woman's chances of being killed by her abuser multiply by more than seven if he has access to a firearm.

In America, women are targets, especially when it comes to guns.

When at least three women in the US are killed by an intimate partner daily, selling "ex-girlfriend" targets that normalize a phenomenon of often deadly violence against women is an outrage that demands accountability. http://www.alternet.org/nra-convention-sells-ex-girlfriend-target-blee
ds-when-you-shoot-it


Actually, I think this is worse. Given the state of politics today in this country, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they make a target that looks like our President and bleeds when you shoot it. But this one...there is simply no excuse.


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:38 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Niki,

Yet you have no problem with your masters and THESE targets.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38129-reason-police-using-pregnant-wom
en-and-children-for-target-practice
/

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Truly, TRULY stupid "come back", Wulf. I hate the targets, but the reasoning behind them is right there in the link you provided:
Quote:

The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.”


I gather you're pretending to say that people using the Obama or "Ex" target aren't doing so just for fun, but with the full intention of going out and shooting Obama or dark-haired women (which aren't even threatening them with a gun, as the cop targets are), since that's the comparison you're making. It fails miserably also because the cops aren't PLANNING to go shoot people like that, they're training to deal with...

Oh, shit, what am I doing? Trying to explain his own stupidity to Wulf?

Gawd, you're incredibly stupid...


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Apparently you've "evolved", then.




Darwin himself was concerned that the misuse of the word 'evolution' in context other than biological change over time would result in confusion and should be avoided, at all cost. He was right.

I've not 'evolved'. Individuals do not 'evolve'. People grow, mature, gain wisdom and knowledge.

And you're trying to compare apples to oranges.

Quote:

Or more likely, you have zero problem with this because it depicts a president you don't like, and you're totally okay with the idea of him being shot.


There is a clear and notable difference in describing the actual murder of a sitting US President and the attempted ( albeit lame )comical portrayal of a zombie, which RESEMBLES a sitting President, being used as target practice.

I know the difference, and anyone w/ an above room temperature ( pre - global warming, that is ) I.Q. knows the difference, and to suggest otherwise is to be completely disingenuous.



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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:17 PM

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Oh my god, Niki, that photo of the female target is horrifying. It's so sexualized! So, yeah, either the fantasy is of killing your girlfriend or killing a prostitute. Whee, let's pretend we're serial killers! What the ever-living fuck is wrong with people? And by people, I mean these fucking men who would actually buy and employ one of these things???

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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Apparently you've "evolved", then.




Darwin himself was concerned that the misuse of the word 'evolution' in context other than biological change over time would result in confusion and should be avoided, at all cost. He was right.

I've not 'evolved'. Individuals do not 'evolve'. People grow, mature, gain wisdom and knowledge.

And you're trying to compare apples to oranges.

Quote:

Or more likely, you have zero problem with this because it depicts a president you don't like, and you're totally okay with the idea of him being shot.


There is a clear and notable difference in describing the actual murder of a sitting US President and the attempted ( albeit lame )comical portrayal of a zombie, which RESEMBLES a sitting President, being used as target practice.

I know the difference, and anyone w/ an above room temperature ( pre - global warming, that is ) I.Q. knows the difference, and to suggest otherwise is to be completely disingenuous.





Yes, the difference is that one of them is a foreign-made movie using actors, props, and fictional events, and the other is a target that you shoot at with an actual real-world gun.


Of course you and Geezer think the one you actually shoot with a real gun is less offensive. After all, it's a target that resembles a black man - of course tea-baggers want to shoot black people!


It's nice to see you finally acknowledge climate change, though. As I said, you seem to have evolved. (I know, you really don't believe in evolution; it's against your party beliefs)



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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh my god, Niki, that photo of the female target is horrifying. It's so sexualized! So, yeah, either the fantasy is of killing your girlfriend or killing a prostitute. Whee, let's pretend we're serial killers! What the ever-living fuck is wrong with people? And by people, I mean these fucking men who would actually buy and employ one of these things???

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.




That target is called "The Ex". Stay classy, gun sickos.



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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by DOMOKUN1:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Paying to attention"?


You cared enough to note that some guy (allegedly) hung Bush in effigy, and you claim "the left" was okay with that, which rather implies that you DO care.

So you seem to have that same hypocrisy gene you're whinging about.

Not that that comes as any great surprise. You're a right-winger, after all - hypocrisy comes as easy to you as breathing!



WOW! That hypocrisy thing real gets to you committed lefties that are constantly committing, doesn't it? I guess there's something to it, what they say about the truth hurting and all.....

Yeah, sorry about that typo "Paying to attention" - DUMBASS on me. GUess I wasn't paying attention! But that's O.K., I don't mind laughing at myself.




Trust me, I don't mind laughing at you either.

As for truth hurting, you DO seem awfully butt-hurt about me pointing out your typical right-wing hypocrisy.



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Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

It's nice to see you finally acknowledge climate change, though. As I said, you seem to have evolved. (I know, you really don't believe in evolution; it's against your party beliefs)



Among the list of falsities and lies you post routinely, this is a grand daddy.

But it also shows your mindset. A person IS their party, as you understand. We are not individuals, but members of groups, who are to be viewed as only that... white, black, gay, straight, Democrat, Republican.

Anyone who knows me ( on here , at least ) knows I'm a strong acknowledger in the facts which support evolution. Note how I didn't say I 'believe' in evolution. Because evolution is not a belief. It's a rational conclusion, based on the available known evidence.

But nice try on the global warming nonsense. I was being sarcastic. I guess your part of Texas hasn't gotten sarcasm yet.

Oh, and Niki...

Quote:

The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.


That must mean they also have cute puppy dog targets they sell too, as there seems to be a spike in the # of cops capping the family dog, first, before even asking any questions.

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Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


But it also shows your mindset. A person IS their party, as you understand. We are not individuals, but members of groups, who are to be viewed as only that... white, black, gay, straight, Democrat, Republican.




That's hilarious, coming from you, who routinely brings up single incidents or people as indicative of "the Left" (capitalized - ALWAYS capitalized), who insists that if one person refers to the president as "a sort of god" that means ALL of "the Left" view him as god. You crack me up, you really do.

Quote:

I was being sarcastic. I guess your part of Texas hasn't gotten sarcasm yet.



Seems it hasn't quite made it to your (red)neck of the (back)woods, either, Jethro.






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Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Cav, I'm glad YOU can see it. Obviously it's fair game for our gun bunnies. Me it sickens, pure and simple.

Excellent graphics, Mike. Pretty sad, but unfortunately, accurate.

Further on that:
Quote:

Bleeding Ex-Girlfriend Shooting Target At NRA Conference Promotes Violence Against Women

This is so offensive in so many ways, I don’t know where to begin. During Houston’s NRA Conference last week, a vendor was promoting shooting targets. One target looked so much like President Obama, it had to be taken off display. However the one ‘token’ female target called ‘Ex’, to represent an ex-girlfriend, that bleeds when you shoot her, was allowed to stay. It apparently met the NRA decency guidelines.

Elisabeth Plank from Policymic shares her views and very good research information:
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“I’m not even sure how to begin unpacking this, so let me start with some stats. Men’s violence against women is not a small pickle, it’s a huge problem. Not just all over the world and in every society, but particularly here in the United States where ”domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women — more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined.” One third of female murder victims are killed by an intimate partner.

Gun violence is a gendered issue since it impacts women and men in very different ways. Because women are more vulnerable to violence within the home than men (and men are most often the perpetrators of violence against women), the presence of a gun makes females less safe, not more. How do we know? A woman’s likelihood of a violent death within the home actually increases by 270% when a gun is kept inside the house. Homicide figures don’t lie. Having a gun within their possession didn’t protect women from murder. In fact, it accurately predicted their higher likelihood of death.

Every day, at least three women are killed by an intimate partner in the US alone.

Thank you, Elizabeth. You said it better than I would. If I were to write more now, given my state of anger and outrage, I doubt my choice of words would get past this, or most site’s obscenity ‘guidelines’ –and I wanted to get the story out.

I am grateful that we have a president who signed into law, the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). I’m grateful for Women’s Right’s organizations like UniteWomen.org who have campaigns protesting violence against women and who recently began a campaign called, Unite Against Rape. And I’m grateful for sites like Women’s Health.Com that give information links and helplines for women who need help and don’t know where to find it. Through these groups and articles, we build awareness and together find ways to combat violence against women. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/09/bleeding-ex-girlfriend-shootin
g-target-at-nra-conference-promotes-violence-against-women-image/




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Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:07 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Yes, Geezer, I TOTALLY decry what you described; excuse me if I don't go to the link, your description is quite sufficient.



Yet you force us to look at another zombie doll, whne you could just post a link.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


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Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course you and Geezer think the one you actually shoot with a real gun is less offensive.



Ah, Mike's put on his tinfoil mind-reading hat again.






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Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Then again, Niki can get all incensed for a second by the "Hang Bush" game here:
http://mostplays.com/play/Hang_Bush_10657

Or google "Kill Bush Game" and find more.


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Thursday, May 9, 2013 4:12 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"I gather you're pretending to say that people using the Obama or "Ex" target aren't doing so just for fun, but with the full intention of going out and shooting Obama or dark-haired women (which aren't even threatening them with a gun, as the cop targets are), since that's the comparison you're making. It fails miserably also because the cops aren't PLANNING to go shoot people like that, they're training to deal with..."



Actually, Im saying shooting zombie targets are fun.

The police practicing to shoot pregnant women, children, old folks... thats wrong/creepy/horrifying.

Unsurprisingly, you have no problem with this.

As to the ZOMBIE targets (need to emphasize that), what do you have against women or minorities being represented? Zombies can't be blacks, or women?!!

HOW RACIST ARE YOU!!!

HOW PATRIARCHAL AND MISOGYNISTIC ARE YOU!!!???

SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!

SHHHHAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEE! ON. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!


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Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:04 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
"I gather you're pretending to say that people using the Obama or "Ex" target aren't doing so just for fun, but with the full intention of going out and shooting Obama or dark-haired women (which aren't even threatening them with a gun, as the cop targets are), since that's the comparison you're making. It fails miserably also because the cops aren't PLANNING to go shoot people like that, they're training to deal with..."



Actually, Im saying shooting zombie targets are fun.

The police practicing to shoot pregnant women, children, old folks... thats wrong/creepy/horrifying.




You DO realize that the targets those police are using are no more real than the zombie targets, don't you? If anything, they're even less real; they're pictures, nothing more, and they don't splatter or bleed when you shoot them.


And why do you find it horrifying that pregnant women, children, or old folks could be criminals with guns? After all, don't you generally categorize all sorts of people as "animals"?


Quote:


As to the ZOMBIE targets (need to emphasize that), what do you have against women or minorities being represented? Zombies can't be blacks, or women?!!




No, they can't be. I'm not sure if you're aware of reality or not, but zombies aren't real.


Quote:


SHHHHAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEE! ON. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!




Trust me, that's not the first fictional being you believe in that I don't.





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Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:06 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Our local police force uses these for training.

I just ordered mine.


In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_(Firefly)

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Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:07 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course you and Geezer think the one you actually shoot with a real gun is less offensive.



Ah, Mike's put on his tinfoil mind-reading hat again.





Sorry, did you want it back? You can't seem to go a day without telling me, Niki, or Mark what we're thinking about.

Does the tinfoil really help? Does Madame Geezer complain that you're using all her foil?



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