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My First Rifle: The business of selling guns for kids

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Friday, May 3, 2013 10:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The shooting of a two-year-old girl by her five-year-old brother has put a spotlight on smaller guns designed for children.

The gun used in the recent shooting in Kentucky was a Crickett .22-caliber rifle, marketed with the slogan "My First Rifle," from Keystone Sporting Arms in Milton, Pa. The single-shot rifle uses the smallest caliber available and is sold by major retailers, including Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), Cabela's (CAB) and Gander Mountain.

The Crickett website was down Friday due to "difficulties," according to John Renzulli, an attorney representing Keystone . But the site for Chipmunk, another Keystone brand, exhibited "quality firearms for America's youth" on its site, including .22-caliber rifles and pistols, with photos of children shooting them. The site includes a "kids corner" section.

Renzulli insisted that the company is not marketing firearms to children.

"No one's marketing to children," he said. "They're marketing to parents who would buy guns for children."

On its website, Wal-Mart markets the Crickett as a "youth rifle," while Gander Mountain's site describes it as a "great beginner's gun."

"All are lightweight and easy for youngsters to carry at the range and in the woods," reads the Crickett description on Cabela's site, which describes it as "a fun firearm to get your young shooter started with."

Wal-Mart did not immediately comment on whether their policy on sales of guns for children would change. Gander Mountain said it would not comment on potential policy changes, but added that it has launched a responsibility campaign aimed at keeping firearms away from "the underaged, untrained and unauthorized." Cabela's did not return a request for comment.

Lawrence Keane, vice president and spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearms industry group, described the youth firearm market as a relatively small slice of the gun industry, though large enough to have plenty of participants. http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/03/news/companies/guns-children/index.htm
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Friday, May 3, 2013 12:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

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No comment on the 7000 FULL AUTO MACHINE GUN MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE M16s ("Personal Defense Rifles") not semi-auto NON-assault rifle AR15s sold to the civilian public.



Miami cop fired 8 times could make it 9
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Now give up your guns you little goy sheeple!


In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China
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Friday, May 3, 2013 3:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Welcome to the GOP, where 15 is far too young for Plan B, but 5 is just the right age for a gun.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Friday, May 3, 2013 4:28 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Welcome to the GOP, where 15 is far too young for Plan B, but 5 is just the right age for a gun.




Well, hey, if ya can't prevent 'em with birth control or abortions, maybe you can shoot 'em down on the street. And if that doesn't work, maybe you can convict 'em of a crime and give 'em the Death Penalty.

But, ya see, getting rid of the undesired shouldn't be a PRIVATE matter, it should provide activity or entertainment for the rest of the population, the "good guys".

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Saturday, May 4, 2013 12:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Welcome to the GOP, where 15 is far too young for Plan B, but 5 is just the right age for a gun.




Well, hey, if ya can't prevent 'em with birth control or abortions, maybe you can shoot 'em down on the street. And if that doesn't work, maybe you can convict 'em of a crime and give 'em the Death Penalty.

But, ya see, getting rid of the undesired shouldn't be a PRIVATE matter, it should provide activity or entertainment for the rest of the population, the "good guys".




Exactly, and what a woman does with her body shouldn't be a private matter between her and her doctor, but all gun sales SHOULD be private matters with no background checks or records kept.

It's the world filtered through GOP logic.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 4, 2013 7:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Exactly, and what a woman does with her body shouldn't be a private matter between her and her doctor, but all gun sales SHOULD be private matters with no background checks or records kept.

It's the world filtered through GOP logic.




Honestly, Kwick....

Both should be a private matter.

Since neither are......

There's enough background checks done that it could be fair.


If you've been convicted of a violent felony charge, you shouldn't have access to weapons.

If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.


Personally, I think it's a win/win for everyone.....


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Saturday, May 4, 2013 1:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Exactly, and what a woman does with her body shouldn't be a private matter between her and her doctor, but all gun sales SHOULD be private matters with no background checks or records kept.

It's the world filtered through GOP logic.



Honestly, Kwick....

Both should be a private matter.

Since neither are......

There's enough background checks done that it could be fair.


If you've been convicted of a violent felony charge, you shouldn't have access to weapons.




I don't recall seeing that part of it in the Second Amendment.



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If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.






And if you're the father of said baby, do they cut off your cock and balls, since you clearly cannot make good decisions about who to fuck?






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 4, 2013 4:40 PM

REAVERFAN


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If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.
Your festering hatred for women is noted.

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Sunday, May 5, 2013 2:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, it's been noted numerous times, Reav; it's pretty obvious. ;o)


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Sunday, May 5, 2013 3:33 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I feel sullied by reading Six's posts. Worse than PN and that is saying something.

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Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ay-yup; the main reason I stopped reading them. I didn't feel sullied, however, I just felt ILL that people like that exist. I tried to just chalk it up to his always being drunk, but that only goes so far. Better just not to inflict them on oneself.


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Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If you missed it in the other thread, as of 2010:
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Guns still kill twice as many children and young people as cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine ( http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1215606 )."


You can't download the chart unless you're a subscriber, so I copied it manually (the original is available at the link). Think about it:



Reminder: I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S GUNS, remember? I argue for SOME logical restrictions to the number of guns out there and who is allowed to have them. And I certainly argue against children having guns of ANY kind, much less guns hidden in their bedrooms!


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Sunday, May 5, 2013 9:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...







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Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

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If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.






And if you're the father of said baby, do they cut off your cock and balls, since you clearly cannot make good decisions about who to fuck?







Wow dude... I wasn't saying they should take a power drill and destroy all the feminine parts....

Why do you jump right to cutting off cocks and balls?

There are plenty of easy ways of tying tubes on either side.

Relax killer......


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Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.
Your festering hatred for women is noted.



I'm sure you and Niki can sign each others' notebooks while dyking it out.


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Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:


If you've killed your baby because you're a negligent nymphomaniac who doesn't want kids, you should have your tubes tied.






And if you're the father of said baby, do they cut off your cock and balls, since you clearly cannot make good decisions about who to fuck?







Wow dude... I wasn't saying they should take a power drill and destroy all the feminine parts....

Why do you jump right to cutting off cocks and balls?

There are plenty of easy ways of tying tubes on either side.

Relax killer......




I think the response was directed at the violent women hating that you consistently demonstrate on this thread.

If I was to try and discuss this rationally, try and imagine that

a) women who enjoy sex are not evil
b) not all terminated pregnancies are a result of 'lots of sex'. It only takes once...
c) Women who terminate pregnancies don't all fit the mould of 'nympho teenager' or to put it bluntly 'black slut' that the right would like to pepetuate.

I know that your interest in women extends only to how they can fulfil your needs, but if you could actually, just for one second, think of them as being human...like you.

Yep, that's right. They have feelings, needs, opinions, desires, ambitions. I know this will blow your tiny mind, but its actually true.

So here's a thing that you and every anti abortionist could try and wrap your head around, women who seek terminations aren't evil. They are women who find themselves making difficult life decisions. Maybe they make different decisions to what you consider right, but as you will never, ever find yourself having to make those choices, how about you shut the FUCK up.


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Monday, May 6, 2013 2:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
If you missed it in the other thread, as of 2010:
Quote:

Guns still kill twice as many children and young people as cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine ( http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1215606 )."


You can't download the chart unless you're a subscriber, so I copied it manually (the original is available at the link). Think about it:





Quote:

Reminder: I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S GUNS, remember? I argue for SOME logical restrictions to the number of guns out there and who is allowed to have them. And I certainly argue against children having guns of ANY kind, much less guns hidden in their bedrooms!




Kind of a deceptive graph, when you note that it includes "children" ages 1 through 24.

If you look at a finer breakdown, you see firearms homicides for under 1 year at 11, 1 through 4 at 43, 5 through 14 at 165, and 15 through 24 at 3889. So it's not elementary school kids that are being shot.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf See table 10.

If you look at the under-15 group, firearms deaths, accidental or homicide, are way down on the list.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, May 6, 2013 3:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

So it's not elementary school kids that are being shot.





Whew - that will come as a great relief to the families of everyone who was killed at Newtown! Can I quote you on that?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, May 6, 2013 4:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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If you look at the under-15 group, firearms deaths, accidental or homicide, are way down on the list.

...and climbing daily; please note the three I just put up, plus the couple of others that happened recently.

Of course, they're only individual kids, one at a time, no biggie. Just sayin'...


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