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Honoring the deceased

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Monday, April 8, 2013 12:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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Just a brief comment. If a thread is started which acknowledges the passing of someone, is it too much to ask that comments show some respect for that person, or not be made at all ?

And why does anyone feel the need for adding irrelevant remarks like " I'll celebrate the death of ... " , when the thread is clearly about someone who had just passed?

Why sully a thread about 1 individual with gleeful hopes for someone else dying ?

Seriously, how about showing a modicum of respect.




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Monday, April 8, 2013 2:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


^ This is coming from the guy who said that Congressman Jack Murtha should be "put down like a rabid dog".



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Monday, April 8, 2013 2:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Do you show the same respect to EVERYONE who passes, or just to conservatives?


How much respect did you show for the passing of Hugo Chavez?

About this much:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=54300


And believe it or not, the way you felt about Maggie, some people felt about Hugo. You had no problem pissing all over their feelings, but now you've got your diaper in a bunch because I couldn't give two fucks about Maggie's death and I'm not all weepy and heartbroken about it. She hurt a lot of people, and now she's gone.

One person said she's been in hell less than a day, and already she's shut down three furnaces and laid off the demons working there.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, April 8, 2013 2:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


A gunman shot dead a teacher and three students in a French school.

Here is what Rappy posted "honoring the deceased":

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

People die every day.

:shrug:





http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51403



Spare us your whiny faux indignation.



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Monday, April 8, 2013 4:39 PM

HKCAVALIER


My fb feed is absolutely full to bursting with Margaret Thatcher hate. I don't personally get it. She's been out of power for over 20 years! She was just an 87 year old woman who died today. What the hell?

If she were a dictator serving for life, sure, celebrate the end of her regime, but she was just ONE woman in the British government. A LONG TIME AGO. ONE elected official who was only ever as effective as her support in Parliament. I promise you, SHE, alone, was NEVER the problem.

I'll never understand how self-described liberals who supposedly oppose the values of totalitarianism, who supposedly value and comprehend parliamentarianism, nonetheless, blame duly elected heads of state for all the terrible things that happen during their administrations. Things that could never have happened without support from the actual legislative bodies in question! As if these sorry individuals literally held their entire governments at gun point.

She was only the leader of a party. And that party, its ideals and machinations, its totalitarian spirit? Still with us, folks. Not going anywhere. Meet the new witch, same as the old witch.

And Cheney and Bush, seriously? They've been replaced with upgraded models! How do those two even matter now? I suppose England and America are much better off now that all these terrible people are out of power, right??? And certainly, certainly, now that one of them died today of a stroke. I feel better already!



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Monday, April 8, 2013 5:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hi HKC

There are people I've known, respected, and deeply cared for who've passed on. The world was a better place with them, and a far poorer place without. I'm deeply saddened by their passing. I'm curious if you consider that a valid personal response.

Maggie was on the other end as far as I'm concerned. She put a matronly face on hideous policies, and papered over the damage with jolly platitude and a cheerleading war. She, along with her political paramour Reagan, and funded by the very wealthy, engineered a massive scale political attack on the idea of government as a service to people. Many people were hurt by the policies she championed.

I'm curious - if you consider grief a valid response as in the first example - what would be the equivalent valid response as in the second, but in the opposite direction?



I think you could parse through this in a way not many other people could.

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Monday, April 8, 2013 5:24 PM

HKCAVALIER


Aw, well, I don't find hate to be valid under any circumstances. Understandable in certain cases, of course. Psychologically necessary for certain individuals for brief periods of time. But it's never optimal or, in the long term, remotely healthy (I'd say 20+ years after the fact is long term).

And hate never opposes evil. Hate is evil's justification. Look what happened when America tried to use its hate to oppose terrorism! Hate is just a cover for--at the very least--inexact thinking. I suppose the valid response in the other direction you're looking for would be relief.

If anyone's saying that the world is a richer place with Thatcher dead, by all means, make the case, 'cause I don't see it.

Jeez, 1k, this subject is so disturbing to me. It just makes me so sick to see people proudly hateful, y'know what I mean?

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Monday, April 8, 2013 5:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I suppose the valid response in the other direction you're looking for would be relief."

Interesting.

FWIW that's the exact word I had put on my response. Tho it seems kind of lame, as she hasn't been in a position to hurt anyone for many years, and never directly hurt me. And yet, I feel some relief knowing she's no longer on this earth. I find my response puzzling. Obviously I had some emotional investment left.

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Monday, April 8, 2013 6:37 PM

HKCAVALIER


Yes, I'd say relief is always valid when a tyrant, or former tyrant, dies. Their myth is always one of unassailable power and one thing's for sure: when you're dead, you've been assailed.


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Monday, April 8, 2013 11:51 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
^ This is coming from the guy who said that Congressman Jack Murtha should be "put down like a rabid dog".



Absolutely, I said that, because he blatantly lied about US soldiers, and for purely political reasons. But what did I say about him in the thread which mentioned his death ? C'mon, dig that one up, Kwickie.

As for Margaret Thatcher, she didn't hurt anyone or limit anyone's freedoms anywhere near to the level that Hugo did. Apples and oranges. The only folks who are really bent at her are because she showed the world the folly of socialism. bfd. Get over it.


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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Shifting the goal posts, as usual.


Let's look at YOUR words, shall we?

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just a brief comment. If a thread is started which acknowledges the passing of someone, is it too much to ask that comments show some respect for that person, or not be made at all ?

And why does anyone feel the need for adding irrelevant remarks like " I'll celebrate the death of ... " , when the thread is clearly about someone who had just passed?

Why sully a thread about 1 individual with gleeful hopes for someone else dying ?

Seriously, how about showing a modicum of respect.





You didn't ask for everyone to "show some respect" whenever someone you admire dies; you asked us to "show some respect" for "the passing of someone" - not someone conservative, just *someone*.


Hugo Chavez was someone. So was Saddam Hussein. Jack Murtha was someone as well. And Osama bin Laden was, too.


You have no intention of "showing some respect" to anyone other than your useless conservative idols. The way you feel about Chavez, *I* feel about Maggie. I'll joke about her death all I want, thank you very much. And if you don't like it, you can always leave, as you like pointing out to others.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, Cav.
Quote:

I don't find hate to be valid under any circumstances.
...
It just makes me so sick to see people proudly hateful, y'know what I mean?

Moi aussi.

People seem to find it so easy to hate, and hate the whole person and have no interest in the fact that there are many aspects to the person, that they may have done some really good things as well as bad things, and of course to "hate" the person for things which that person alone wasn't responsible for. Thatcher didn't operate in a vacuum, any more than Obama or Bush or anyone else in any government. And I have no doubt there was more to her than the things people think about when they hate her so virulently.

I'm sad for the death of just about anyone, death brings pain and suffering to others beyond the person who died. There is nothing to relish in that, for me anyway.


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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:33 AM

STORYMARK


Golly, a double-standard from rappy?

And this is different from any other moronic stance he takes.... how?




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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:45 AM

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I agree. What's wrong with people these days?


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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/john-fugelsang-onmargaret-th
atchers-unexpected-rock-n-roll-legacy
/






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:00 AM

STORYMARK


Just reposting the best bit:

Quote:

"You see, I wanted to find a way to appropriately honor Mrs. Thatcher’s policies today, so I called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

Then I busted some unions, I took milk away from poor children, I supported the regimes of Saddam Hussein and Augusto Pinochet, I cut taxes for the rich and widened the poverty gap, I sold off England’s basic utilities so people could pay a whole lot more for electricity and water in the U.K., then I insulted working people by saying any man who travels by bus is a failure — all this whilst urinating on miners and setting up a disastrous economy that the people of the U.K. are paying for with austerity today.
"



Geez, no wonder the Bush-bots loooove her.

For me, the best response Ive seen so far came from a British journalist friend of mine, who simply posted:

"Ding Dong."




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 10:08 AM

CATPIRATE


HK, Three people who made the 80s and the future were President Reagan, Pope John Paul 2, and Prime Minister Thatcher. Neo cons today don't understand what it is to be a conservative means. All three could have done better but that is every one. Reagan on the drug war, Pope JP2 not addresses the perverts in the church, and Thatcher letting Liverpool sink into the Mersey River. That is why Northern England and the unions hate her to this day. The liberals don't care about the poor or working people they wouldn't have their yuppie lifestyle in London with out her changing the game. But GB had to get competitive. Having family in England who were quite conservative from growing before WW1 and being adults before WW2 supported Old Maggie. England became a better place. Now they did a lot on the domestic front but they were in their realm when it came to the international stage. I mean it was a time to go against the soviets in every part of the globe. Those three standing together as a solid front changed the world. I miss the leaders we once had. Bush hijacked Reagan's vision and drove the US into capitalism built on war. The other party calls for change but it the same ole same ole. I went to Reagan's funeral, watched the Pope's on TV, and now I'll see another great leader pass. RIP.

KUDOS, to the men and women of the USAF with call sign Panther flying out of Kandahar. "You getter done".

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 10:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Just reposting the best bit:

Quote:

"You see, I wanted to find a way to appropriately honor Mrs. Thatcher’s policies today, so I called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

Then I busted some unions, I took milk away from poor children, I supported the regimes of Saddam Hussein and Augusto Pinochet, I cut taxes for the rich and widened the poverty gap, I sold off England’s basic utilities so people could pay a whole lot more for electricity and water in the U.K., then I insulted working people by saying any man who travels by bus is a failure — all this whilst urinating on miners and setting up a disastrous economy that the people of the U.K. are paying for with austerity today.
"



Geez, no wonder the Bush-bots loooove her.

For me, the best response Ive seen so far came from a British journalist friend of mine, who simply posted:

"Ding Dong."




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"





Funny - that showed up on the facebook feed of a Brit friend of mine.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 10:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/%E2%80%98ding-dong--the-witch-is-dead%E2%80
%99-charts-after-thatcher-dies-101051208.html










"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 11:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


http://mashable.com/2013/04/08/cher-nowthatchersdead-twitter-hashtag-d
ead
/


"nowthatchersdead" hashtag causes some grief for Cher fans who read it as "now that cher's dead".

Punctuation saves lives.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)











"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:33 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:



Hugo Chavez was someone. So was Saddam Hussein. Jack Murtha was someone as well. And Osama bin Laden was, too.




Nice collection of folks ya got there. I couldn't have done any better.

Crassic.



Thug, tyrant, old lying fool,and a terrorist. I guess you're known by the company you keep.


But compare the reactions of good conservatives to when a leftist icon dies, to when the shoe is on the other foot.


Quote:

Seven police were injured – one seriously – as violence erupted at a street party to ‘celebrate’ the death of Baroness Thatcher.

Trouble flared after midnight when a rowdy 200-strong crowd refused police requests to disperse from Easton, Bristol.

Dozens of officers donned riot gear and used shields and batons as they were pelted with bottles, cans and rubbish.The air was thick with cannabis smoke as revellers toasted the death of the Iron Lady, chanting; “Maggie Thatcher, Maggie Thatcher, she’s not living anymore. She’s not living anymore.”

Some people drank champagne while others walked around in Thatcher masks and one man dressed up as the former PM.

Sound systems were set up in the street to fuel the party atmosphere and the trouble broke out when police tried to stop the music.

Unemployed Julian Styles, 58, who was made redundant from his factory job in 1984, said: “I’ve been waiting for that witch to die for 30 years.

“Tonight is party time. I’m drinking one drink for every year I’ve been out of work.” http://swns.com/news/police-injured-sick-street-parties-celebrating-de
ath-margaret-thatcher-turn-riots-33846
/




( Yeah, that'll show her! ) I doubt very much this bloke needs any external reason to drink.




Violence, vandalism, looting... and what for ? Seriously.

So, let's see... who else parties in the streets and is prone to violence and destruction of other people's property when someone dies ?

Gee, Islmo-nutjobs, maybe?

Lowest common denominator, I guess.


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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:30 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I remember people were celebrating in the street when Bin Laden was killed and I found that unpleasant.

I don't believe in celebrating anyone's death either.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
http://mashable.com/2013/04/08/cher-nowthatchersdead-twitter-hashtag-d
ead
/


"nowthatchersdead" hashtag causes some grief for Cher fans who read it as "now that cher's dead".

Punctuation saves lives.



That's too funny

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:42 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



Shifting the goal posts, as usual.


Let's look at YOUR words, shall we?

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just a brief comment. If a thread is started which acknowledges the passing of someone, is it too much to ask that comments show some respect for that person, or not be made at all ?




So, is there a single person, at ALL, who is even mildly surprised that rappy boy won't/can't live up to his own words?

Nah, didn't think so.




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"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



Shifting the goal posts, as usual.


Let's look at YOUR words, shall we?

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just a brief comment. If a thread is started which acknowledges the passing of someone, is it too much to ask that comments show some respect for that person, or not be made at all ?




So, is there a single person, at ALL, who is even mildly surprised that rappy boy won't/can't live up to his own words?

Nah, didn't think so.






He's never done it yet. Not one single time.



And look at him waffling not. "Nice collection of folks ya got there. I couldn't have done any better."


Your position is that we should all show respect whenever "someone" passes. You did not qualify your remarks by saying "when someone I like" passes; you said SOMEONE.

I pointed out all the someones whose graves you were only too happy to dance on in celebration. And now you're crying like a baby about it because you know you're full of shit and don't show any respect for anyone but your conservative lords and masters. Stay on your knees and keep licking - I'm sure you've learned to love the taste by now.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:25 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I remember people were celebrating in the street when Bin Laden was killed and I found that unpleasant.

I don't believe in celebrating anyone's death either.



Who were those people, celebrating bin Laden's death ? ? Primarily, those in NYC. It wasn't wide spread, there were no riots, or vandalism, that I ever saw reported.

if anyone had reason to celebrate the death of bin Laden, for all the pain he caused so many, on a very personal level, I don't begrudge them one bit.



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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If anyone had reason to celebrate the death of Maggie, for all the pain she caused so many, on a very personal level, I don't begrudge them one bit.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I remember people were celebrating in the street when Bin Laden was killed and I found that unpleasant.

I don't believe in celebrating anyone's death either.



Who were those people, celebrating bin Laden's death ? ? Primarily, those in NYC. It wasn't wide spread, there were no riots, or vandalism, that I ever saw reported.

if anyone had reason to celebrate the death of bin Laden, for all the pain he caused so many, on a very personal level, I don't begrudge them one bit.






So which is it to be then? DO we behave respectfully regarding the dead, or are we allowed to celebrate the death of our enemies?

To my mind, no person's death should be celebrated, but it may be a time for reflection on their actions which have caused pain. I personally don't like all the cheering and celebrations around Maggie, but also didn't like the jumping for joy re Osama. I try to be a bit consistent, you see ;)

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:32 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,
Auraptor has a point.


Auraptor,
Mike has a point.


Mike, the fact that you have a point doesn't dismiss the fact that Auraptor has a point.


Auraptor, the fact that you have a point doesn't dismiss the fact that Mike has a point.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons, obviously we do whatever we want to do. And say whatever we want to say about whatever anyone ELSE chooses to do.


Rap having a point does nothing to change the fact that he's the one who put up a thread saying we should "honor the deceased", whether we like them or not, then turns around and DIShonors every deceased he doesn't like. That's what he's being ragged on about, quite rightly. He didn't like people celebrating Thatcher's death, but didn't think it through, just tried to climb on his high horse and make a statement. Then he fell off; simple as that. His continued efforts to rationalize just dig him in further, which is amusing, but not very.

I won't "celebrate" anyone's death. I believe Thatcher did more harm than good; so did many others, but they were human beings. I'll try to remember that, and pay attention mostly to the fact that there are those who suffer because of their passing. I may feel some relief that people who have the power to do harm can no longer do so, but that's about it. Nothing else is important.


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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:50 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Mike,
Auraptor has a point.




Was that when he said it was bad to speak ill of the dead, or when he said it was okay for him to speak ill of the dead.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
If anyone had reason to celebrate the death of Maggie, for all the pain she caused so many, on a very personal level, I don't begrudge them one bit.



Then you'd be an idiot, because she saved the country, which benefited far more people than the few deadbeats who blame the govt on their own failures.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:48 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
If anyone had reason to celebrate the death of Maggie, for all the pain she caused so many, on a very personal level, I don't begrudge them one bit.



Then you'd be an idiot, because she saved the country, which benefited far more people than the few deadbeats who blame the govt on their own failures.




Oh lordy. You gonna build a shrine to her, too? Right next to the one you made for Ronny Ray-Gun?

Of course, you worship a senile old man who started our economic collapse with the stupidity that is "trickle down" (gonna start working Any Day Now, riiiight??), so of course you'd start genuflecting for another failed "leader".




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:51 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:


Was that when he said it was bad to speak ill of the dead, or when he said it was okay for him to speak ill of the dead.





You may speak ill of the dead if it is someone that Rappy despises, you may not speak ill of the dead if he idolises that person. Good Zeus, Story, is it that difficult to work out what you should and shouldn't be doing?

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:53 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:


Was that when he said it was bad to speak ill of the dead, or when he said it was okay for him to speak ill of the dead.





You may speak ill of the dead if it is someone that Rappy despises, you may not speak ill of the dead if he idolises that person. Good Zeus, Story, is it that difficult to work out what you should and shouldn't be doing?



Oh, yeah, I know the score. Just wanted to see if DT had the integrity to admit the double-standard.




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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:41 PM

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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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