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America Sux- Nurse refuses to perform CPR.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:33 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


A nurse in a residential home in California opts to "follow policy" and let an elderly woman die rather than perform CPR.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/woman-dies-nurse-refuses-perform-cpr-20243999
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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:30 AM

BYTEMITE


Before anyone jumps into it, the air you breathe out actually isn't all CO2. It's not as much oxygen as you'd necessarily want, certainly, but it does at least buy time until professional help arrives if you're not breathing well as it is. Chest compressions are not really recommended however unless a pulse can't be detected.

(obviously a positive pressure mask would be a better solution, or maybe even a small hand pump, but in a pinch breathing for the person can suffice)

As for the nurse:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawfulStupid

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

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This sucks brick. People are so paranoid about being sued (and rightly so, America has become too sue happy) that they won't do the right thing if the "rules" say.

I'm a renegade. I do what I think is right, sometimes against the rules. I won't do it in a very obvious way (nobody wants to be fired after all) but I'll do it overtly with a certain amount of sneakiness and secrecy. Of course if someone was dying and I could save them and the 911 opperator was on the phone telling me what to do I'd totally do it.

I think this situation highlights the fact that something is seriously wrong with this country, if we put the fear of being sued or what have you above doing the right thing. As a side note I think if we make it harder to sue and win more people will step up and make the right choices morally, because they won't be afraid of the negative repercussions. This reminds me of the story about the kid who took the gun away from that other threatening kid and got suspended. Obviously this is probably a bigger issue, but its the same problem, if you do the right thing these days you get penalized.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:14 PM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.


I feel for that poor 911 operator, asking if there was anyone nearby who might try to save the woman's life. Can you imagine?

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Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:08 AM

AURAPTOR

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Seems unconscionable, to me. I find it interesting that the 'nurse' is on leave, and the family of the deceased woman said she wanted to die a natural death, and are content to have her pass away as she did.

I don't know if she was lost in dementia, or what, but it seems she didn't want to be artificially kept alive. Does that mean do no recessitate, at all ? Or do not place on a respirator and kept alive via expensive machines ? To me, there's quite a bit of difference between the two.



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Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:27 PM

BLUEEYEDBRIGADIER


For me, saying you do not want to be kept alive artificially means no use of ventilators or any other tech that supports or takes over from one's one cardiovascular system to maintain the body. Yes, you can make the necessary documentation available to show your wish to be not artificially resuscitated, but that can be separate or combo with a "no machines" request/order if you're comatose or in really bad shape.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Seems unconscionable, to me. I find it interesting that the 'nurse' is on leave, and the family of the deceased woman said she wanted to die a natural death, and are content to have her pass away as she did.

I don't know if she was lost in dementia, or what, but it seems she didn't want to be artificially kept alive. Does that mean do no recessitate, at all ? Or do not place on a respirator and kept alive via expensive machines ? To me, there's quite a bit of difference between the two.



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Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This one gave me the willies when I heard about it. I'm with Riona for the most part. IF she had a DNR on file, and the nurse was made aware of it, I'd revise my opinion. But barring that, and only that, it's inexcusable to me. I got no truck with what "the family said"; an official, signed DNR. Otherwise, not helping her is madness in a society where madness dictates all too often.


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:58 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


from the original article itself:
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All states in the US have versions of the Good Samaritan Law, which grants immunity to those administering CPR in good faith.

In California, it is granted to those trained in CPR and "who in good faith, renders emergency CPR at the scene of an emergency," those who provide such training, and those who provide instruction.

However, the law is vague as to whether "non-certified" responders are granted immunity protection when administering CPR.




My grandmother was a nurse, a Registered Nurse, an RN, in the very old days when that meant a highly trained, highly medically skilled professional. The handful of nurses I have known personally were RN's.

I cannot conceive of an RN who was not certified in CPR, and I find it hard to accept a medical person called a " nurse" who is not both things. I do understand that now-a-days, there are nurses who are LVN's, CVN's, Nurse practitioners, etc., a bunch of degrees and job titles and qualifications, any one of whom could be a "Nurse" at a retirement facility. And for most of their bedpan dumping, linen changing, patient feeding and routine medication dispensing, any one would do.

But to conceive that there was no better qualified nurse or actual Doctor, on duty at the place at that time, is unthinkable. Shame on the home, its management, and the school where this Nurse was trained.

ETA- to Rap and BEB's point about Do Not Resuscitate orders, when I was hospitalized with my heart trouble, and mighta died, in surgery or just because, I, as patient, had that discussion several times, officially, with various doctors, nurses, cardiologists, surgeons and assorted others. As it was a Catholic hospital, and I am not, they offered to let me speak with a priest- there was one available, any time, day or night. Together, we always reached the same conclusion: that I did not want to be Terry Schaivo, that I did not want ALL possible heroic measures taken, but that I wanted them to make some sort of attempt, not just hang it up if my heart stopped, but that I would leave it in the hands of the doctor in charge at that moment. Pretty sloppy, and I suppose I was lucky that it never became a real scenario. I'm sure that retirement home either had similar discussions, or had some written document signed off by the patient or her legal rep.


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:37 AM

STORYMARK


Ive had to work with a couple of special needs children who had a DNR in place. We were instructed that, should the child stop breathing, go into cardiac arrest, or any other such life threatening situation - to call an ambulance - and otherwise do nothing.

Thankfully, I never actually faced that situation.




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Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:46 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Ive had to work with a couple of special needs children who had a DNR in place. We were instructed that, should the child stop breathing, go into cardiac arrest, or any other such life threatening situation - to call an ambulance - and otherwise do nothing.

Thankfully, I never actually faced that situation.






You sound like every health care professional I've ever talked to, certainly every good one: Their love of their patients, and comittment to life, would not let them stand by and do nothing in that situation, even at the risk of disobeying orders. I salute you. I would trust you with my care, or care of my loved ones, any time.

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