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Cypress HS student suspended for disarming gunman?

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Monday, March 4, 2013 2:47 AM

GEEZER

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FORT MYERS, Fla. - A 16-year-old Cypress Lake High School student, who wrestled a loaded revolver away from a teen threatening to shoot, is being punished.

The student grappled the gun away from the 15-year-old suspect on the bus ride home Tuesday after witnesses say he aimed the weapon point blank at another student and threatened to shoot him.

The student, who Fox 4 has agreed not to identify and distort his voice because he fears for his safety, says there's "no doubt" he saved a life by disarming the gunman. And for that he was suspended for three days.

"I think he was really going to shoot him right then and there," the student said. "Not taking no pity."

The student says he wrestled the .22 caliber RG-14 Revolver away from the suspect, a football player, who witnesses say threatened to shoot a teammate because he had been arguing with his friend.

"No doubt," the student said, "he was going to shoot him point blank."

The teen we spoke to and authorities both confirm the Revolver was loaded. According to the arrest report the suspect, who Fox 4 is not naming because he is a minor, was "pointing the gun directly" at another student and "threatening to shoot him."

That's when the student we spoke with says he and others tackled the teen and wrestled away the gun. The next day the school slapped him with a three day suspension.

"It's dumb," he said. "How they going to suspend me for doing the right thing?"

According to the referral, he was suspended for being part of an "incident" where a weapon was present and given an "emergency suspension."

"If they wouldn't've did what they had to do on that bus," the teen's mother said, "I think there would have been a lot of fatalities."

The mother agreed to talk with us in disguise. She can't understand why her son, who disarmed the gunman, was suspended.

"Those kids had to fight for their lives," she said. "All the kids that was involved in this they should have a pat on their backs because they did the right thing to save someone from burying their child."

According to the mother, the school suspended her son because he refused to cooperate in the investigation. She says he was scared.

Fox 4 asked the Lee County School District about the suspension.

"We cannot discuss specifics involving students," said district spokesman Alberto Rodriguez in a statement. "Florida law allows the principal to suspend a student immediately pending a hearing."

The district confirmed three students were suspended in all but wouldn't provide additional information citing privacy concerns.

On Thursday Fox 4 tried to get answers from Tracey Perkins, the principal of Cypress Lake High School.

"Were those students suspended?," asked Fox 4 reporter Matt Grant, before she drove off.

"Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves," the teen's mother said referring to the school's administration, adding that the suspended students "need their education."

The teen who wrestled the gun away can go back to school Monday, his mother said.

Despite the fact the suspect pointed a loaded gun at another student and threatened to shoot authorities charged him with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon "without intent" to kill.

Fox 4 asked the Lee County Sheriff's Office office about that.

"The investigation is ongoing," said Sgt. David Valez in a statement. "The charges presented to [the suspect] are based on our findings at this time."

Authorities were unable to watch the school bus surveillance video because the cameras weren't working.

The 15-year-old suspect was arrested and charged with posession of a firearm on school property and assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill.

He was taken to the juvenile assessment center.

Last month, a 14-year-old Mariner Middle School was arrested for bringing a .22 caliber gun and a Panther brand stungun to class.



http://www.fox4now.com/news/local/194396721.html

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Monday, March 4, 2013 8:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, the story is "yet another nut wth a gun" and you and faux news (gee - how did I know you're a faux follower?) chose to highlight skippy who got suspended.



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Monday, March 4, 2013 8:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah... that's not a bad question to ask...

Why should he get suspended?

Oh... that's right....

Because any job he or any of his friends would be worthy of having, even as bank tellers, don't guard anything worthwhile...

"Shut your mouth. Smile. Hand a bag of worthless paper to the guy with the gun. Live another day."

What an idiot, right?

The bad guys always win.....


Thanks for the clarity 1kiki....

A freakin' after school special, you are.....




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Monday, March 4, 2013 8:48 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks for your reply. It tells me something about you.



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Monday, March 4, 2013 9:01 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, the story is "yet another nut wth a gun" and you and faux news (gee - how did I know you're a faux follower?) chose to highlight skippy who got suspended.



The point being that you'd be happier if the kid with the gun had shot someone so you could have another "ban the evil guns" headline?

You think maybe it'd be better to try and find out why some kids are willing to kill someone over an argument, or for standing on the wrong corner, or for a pair of shoes or a jacket or a cell phone. If you can reduce the number of folks who are willing to kill for no good reason, then it doesn't matter if they have guns, or knives, or whatever.


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Monday, March 4, 2013 9:13 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The kid was stupid. There's no glory in trying to be a hero, especially if you get yourself killed in the process. He could have got others shot in the scuffle. He should have let the situation play out on its own.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 9:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I would have refocused the story to examine how the kid got the gun, was there any sign of impending trouble, and how could it be prevented in the future.

So, you think just b/c I want to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people I must "be happier if the kid with the gun had shot someone so (I) could have another "ban the evil guns" headline".

Nice strawman, and not at all what I posted.



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Monday, March 4, 2013 9:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Thanks for your reply. It tells me something about you.



Please tell the class about it.

Don't hold back.

Your opinions matter more than everyone else's, just like everyone else's....




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Monday, March 4, 2013 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The kid was stupid. There's no glory in trying to be a hero, especially if you get yourself killed in the process. He could have got others shot in the scuffle. He should have let the situation play out on its own.



The kid may have been certain the other one was going to fire - but it doesn't mean his impression is correct. He could have easily have made the situation worse.




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Monday, March 4, 2013 2:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I agree that the kid getting suspended was a bad move, watch how it encourages people to just sit back and not be the change they want to see in the world, because if you act to save others, help others, you get in trouble. That's not the message I want to send to young people.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 3:12 PM

PENQUIN11


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I would have refocused the story to examine how the kid got the gun, was there any sign of impending trouble, and how could it be prevented in the future.

So, you think just b/c I want to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people I must "be happier if the kid with the gun had shot someone so (I) could have another "ban the evil guns" headline".

Nice strawman, and not at all what I posted.



Its funny how different you and I think. Not that there isn't anything wrong with that. However, when I look at this story I am much more interested in why someone is being punished for a heroic action, with emphasis being on the heroics, rather than where the villain got the gun.

I could be wrong but based on your few posts I think our difference in opinion stems from one difference in thought; that being I see an "evil asshole who got a gun" and you see a "asshole who got an evil gun". I could be wrong, but based on your posts you seem to view the pistol as the criminal within the exchange rather than the person carrying out the action.

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain

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Monday, March 4, 2013 3:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I can't imagine how you think I excuse the person and blame the gun. Please point out where I posted that.

Here in So Cal we've had 3 incidents in 3 weeks where someone had a gun, killed their entire family and then themselves, or went on a rampage and killed multiple strangers and then killed themselves. They could all be titled "Yet another Nut With a Gun".

Something is obviously going wrong with the system if unstable people are getting guns. And I suspect the death toll would be much lower if they had, say a crowbar or knife. That would put them at a disadvantage when facing multiple people as opposed to having a gun.

The focus needs to be put on keeping highly lethal weapons out of the hands of unstable people.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 6:38 PM

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:09 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I would have refocused the story to examine how the kid got the gun, was there any sign of impending trouble, and how could it be prevented in the future.



That would be a good follow-up story, but the information for that takes a while to gather.

The immediate story is kids possibly preventing an injury or killing, and being punished for it.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Typical of faux news, and indeed any sensationalism with an agenda - NO TIME FOR FACTS! GOTTA PROPAGANDIZE NOW!!!

Oh, BTW, since you are so obviously a follower of said news, be a dear a keep tabs on any follow-up hard facts or genuine analysis faux news might provide, and let us know right away.



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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

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This is a classic example of how our society penalizes people who do the right thing. Our society is sending a message to kids (and adults too for that matter) that if you do the right thing you will probably be punished in some way or other. See the thread about the nurse who refused to perform CPR, she was afraid of being fired because it was against protocol, or she was afraid of being sued somehow. So she didn't do it. AKA she was afraid of punishment that would come down upon her if she did the right thing.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 5:16 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Typical of faux news, and indeed any sensationalism with an agenda - NO TIME FOR FACTS! GOTTA PROPAGANDIZE NOW!!!


So you expect that within a day of the events, the cops will know where the kid with the gun got it? and you ignore the fact that the kids who took it away from him got suspended?

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Oh, BTW, since you are so obviously a follower of said news, be a dear a keep tabs on any follow-up hard facts or genuine analysis faux news might provide, and let us know right away.


Actually, I found a reference to this on another forum.

So you're still ignoring the fact that a kid who quite possibly prevented a shooting - and perhaps a murder - was punished for it?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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