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CDC says flu shot only 9% 'effective' against flu

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:38 PM

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ATLANTA (AP) — It turns out this year's flu shot is doing a startlingly dismal job of protecting older people, the most vulnerable age group.

The vaccine is proving only 9 percent effective in those 65 and older against the harsh strain of the flu that is predominant this season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.

Health officials are baffled as to why this is so. But the findings help explain why so many older people have been hospitalized with the flu this year.

Despite the findings, the CDC stood by its recommendation that everyone over 6 months get flu shots, the elderly included, because some protection is better than none, and because those who are vaccinated and still get sick may suffer less severe symptoms.

"Year in and year out, the vaccine is the best protection we have," said CDC flu expert Dr. Joseph Bresee.

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Flu Shots For All The Sheeple

If you got the flu shot your risk is less than 2% of getting the flu, if you got nothing, your risk was less than 4%. This is sold to the public as anywhere from 45%-65% effective, which is not a lie, but is extremely misleading.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:07 PM

BYTEMITE


9% for the elderly, though they need it most.

For the rest of the population it's 56%, but that's not exactly good either. 50% would mean an even odds bet that you'll get the virus anyway (or exhibit vaccine symptoms exactly like a virus).

"Better than nothing" is the new "good enough for government work."

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:27 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Its too much of a hastle. I'm young and have a great immune system, so why waste my time. I don't get flu shots.

Last month one of the women I look after at the day center was excited because she had gotten a flu shot over that weekend. Then the staff woman told me to talk about the flu and keeping healthy in their social skills group that day. So I said "so today we're going to talk about something current that comes up in this time of the year. Does anyone have any guesses?" and J shouts excitedly "The flu!!!!!". I never knew the flu could be so engaging. :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:38 PM

BYTEMITE


I live like a hermit when flu season comes around, by which I mean I ride public transportation and then lick my hands clean for all that nutritious goodness. But the spirit of the intent is there!

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The data comes from MMWR.

The part that got me wondering was this:

"These adjusted VE (vaccine effectiveness) estimates indicate that vaccination with the 2012–13 influenza season vaccine reduced the risk for OUTPATIENT MEDICAL VISITS resulting from influenza by approximately one half to two thirds for most persons, although VE was lower and not statistically significant among older adults."

It would be interesting to see if there are comparable statistics using hospital admissions, complications, sequelae, and deaths as endpoints. It's well known that partial vaccine effectiveness can reduce those things even when the vaccine isn't effective enough to entirely prevent disease.

Oh, I just wanted to add this - you all completely misunderstood the statistics. It's not that half of all people got the flu whether or not they were vaccinated. It's that compared to un-vaccinated people as the 100% mark, only 56% got the flu.

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Monday, February 25, 2013 7:59 PM

BYTEMITE


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I just wanted to add this - you all completely misunderstood the statistics. It's not that half of all people got the flu whether or not they were vaccinated. It's that compared to un-vaccinated people as the 100% mark, only 56% got the flu.


Apparently I still don't understand, because firstly not everyone who goes unvaccinated gets the flu, so the 100% statistic you're quoting is incorrect, and secondly I'm not sure how the second part is different at all from what we're saying.

56% of people who were vaccinated got the flu or flu-like symptoms. That's a pretty pathetic vaccine in terms of protection. Perhaps this batch was poorly matched to the wild strains.

I never once said I was referring to the general population. I was implicitly referring to people who were vaccinated, since I was responding to PN, whose post was about people who were vaccinated. It would make absolutely no sense to talk about vaccine effectiveness in people WHO HADN'T HAD THE VACCINE.

So thank you. The conversation was already talking place within the frame of reference you thought we had mistaken. I'm willing to put that down as a simple misunderstanding, perhaps I was unclear and perhaps you didn't deliberately attack me and belittle my intelligence.

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:47 AM

BYTEMITE


It has come to my attention that maybe you were just trolling me. If so, that is far better than waltzing into a thread and telling people that they fail at science and statistics before "correcting" them about something that they'd already acknowledged.

I have decided I'm just going to go with that, and conclude "well done." That was a masterful stroke at trolling and baiting. And considering that Jack's probably the only person on this board who's better than me at trolling, this is a high compliment.


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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
It has come to my attention that maybe you were just trolling me. If so, that is far better than waltzing into a thread and telling people that they fail at science and statistics before "correcting" them about something that they'd already acknowledged.

I have decided I'm just going to go with that, and conclude "well done." That was a masterful stroke at trolling and baiting. And considering that Jack's probably the only person on this board who's better than me at trolling, this is a high compliment.





Oh, I've seen some rather epic trolling. I witnessed first-hand as a few trolls actually shut down a whole event page at facebook, turning a protest's organizing page (where they expected 2000 people to show up and protest) into an invite-only event, where as few as nine people actually showed up at the event. It was a mass trolling, and rather amazing to watch; at a couple points, the organizers actually took the page down completely.

I was accused of trolling because I disagreed with some of the organizers and brought facts and my actual real name and profile to the debate. Apparently to them, that makes one a "troll"; I call it "factivism".



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:53 AM

STORYMARK


I got my very first flu shot this year. Normally, I figure that a yearly challenge for my immune system is a good thing, but this year I have a baby neice I see a lot, and I wanted to minimize the risk of passing something on to her as much as possible.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:53 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I live like a hermit when flu season comes around, by which I mean I ride public transportation and then lick my hands clean for all that nutritious goodness.



LOL!

Well done.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:31 AM

BYTEMITE


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I was accused of trolling because I disagreed with some of the organizers and brought facts and my actual real name and profile to the debate. Apparently to them, that makes one a "troll"; I call it "factivism".


I do not intend to call troll on people merely for disagreeing with me. Even while trolling people can make good arguments, logic, and points, and it doesn't preclude facts. In fact the best troll attempts always have the sour bite of truth in them. Here, 1kiki asserts that she is smarter than me, and based on the available evidence of having taken her bait, I must agree with her.

It's just highly rewarding, whenever I happen to be offended or insulted, to try to turn it around as that I had just been successfully trolled, and to laugh off said insult and offense in view of it being a really good prank - as evidenced by it drawing my ire.

I will happily and willfully engage in self-delusion whenever it means I can force myself to be less grumpy to people. It's something new I'm trying, and seems to be working?

And, frankly, I think it gives people more credit to assume they're screwing with me, and to appreciate the skill in which they did so.

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Oh, I've seen some rather epic trolling. I witnessed first-hand as a few trolls actually shut down a whole event page at facebook, turning a protest's organizing page (where they expected 2000 people to show up and protest) into an invite-only event, where as few as nine people actually showed up at the event. It was a mass trolling, and rather amazing to watch; at a couple points, the organizers actually took the page down completely.


Trolling is both fun and useful, and often the best means of informing people of their own folly and deflating their egos. Where would hacktivism be without trolling? It is a craft, an artform long predating computers and tracing back to the most ancient times. Greek philosophers were amazing trolls, and I'm sure in the neolithic trolling was just as rewarding, if hazardous, as it is today.

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:42 AM

BYTEMITE


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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I live like a hermit when flu season comes around, by which I mean I ride public transportation and then lick my hands clean for all that nutritious goodness.



LOL!

Well done.





:)

I can understand doing that, for your niece.

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:27 AM

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What no doctor ever said


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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

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It has come to my attention after reading this exchange that my understanding of trolling is apparently very rutimentary. I think of trolling as deliberately annoying others, either by posting spam, nonsense, stupid stuff, obnoxious stuff, annoying stuff, or being as mean as possible just to get a rise out of them.

Either Kiki takes the crown for passive aggressive troller of the month (fair) or I just don't understand this whole shabang. I point out that I have no problem with passive agressive behavior, since I'm supposedly very passive agressive online. Why is life so confusing.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:44 PM

BYTEMITE


There are nuances. Ultimately a troll is basically "screwing with someone for your own amusement" and can mean anything from blatantly attempting to annoy them or prank them, or something more subtle.

Being ironic or insincere or speaking blatant mistruths for the comedy of it, or asking seemingly stupid questions to irritate someone or force them to confront their logical inconsistencies, all of these can constitute trolling. Also deliberately baiting people by posting something in a non-obvious way that you know they'll react to is also trolling.

Even something as simple as feigned ignorance or deliberate grammar and spelling errors can be trolling.

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
There are nuances. Ultimately a troll is basically "screwing with someone for your own amusement" and can mean anything from blatantly attempting to annoy them or prank them, or something more subtle.

Being ironic or insincere or speaking blatant mistruths for the comedy of it, or asking seemingly stupid questions to irritate someone or force them to confront their logical inconsistencies, all of these can constitute trolling. Also deliberately baiting people by posting something in a non-obvious way that you know they'll react to is also trolling.



Those things can also be used to lead people to a more rational point. So in "trolling" them by repeatedly questioning their every statement, one can hopefully show up a larger point, either to the original "trollee" or to the larger audience in general.

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Even something as simple as feigned ignorance or deliberate grammar and spelling errors can be trolling.



So can pointing out such errors, which can also be all manner of high-larious in and of itself, especially when the target of said ridicule has no clue that he's been had and it being made a fool of.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If you want to see some top-notch trolling for real, check out folks like Chest Strongwell, Mrs. Facts, and Surly Thor on facebook. They often bring real artistry to their trolling. Tom Joad brings it to a whole new level, injecting hard facts and harder truths into his trolling.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:52 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I think people who think they're clever because they troll, or who think they're tricking others when its obvious that its a two way street, are foolish. It decreases their credibility really. I like things that make blatent and unapologetic sense. I'm all for a little sideways poking, but it gets old fast when over used, especially when people crow about how good they are at it while the person they are trolling ... wait what was I saying? Like I said I'm getting confused here. I like talking to people who just talk to each other, like ... people. That being said I don't think I'd be all too impressed with your superior trollers Quicko. I can however get on board with doing a lil' sideways work to rile someone who you don't get on with well. But excessive amounts of it make it lose its potency and intrigue and then its just borrrrrrrrring, because everyone has seen that trick before.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:34 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, you're honest, and not inclined to villainy. But for people like us who revel in trolling, all the posturing and over-the-top antics are pure jubilation. Reading about how other people have been trolled is an absolute delight. Especially when it's deserved - troll justice is the best justice!

To put you at ease, I'm an equal opportunity troll, I'll troll everyone if I can, even if I like them. And yeah, it makes me obnoxious as hell, but that's also part of the fun - it's not really about the trick or being more clever than other people, because really, most trolls are pretty simple, and not very smart. It's more about not caring what other people think of you, but also friendship, in an entirely unsentimental and vitriolic way. It's life in a devil-may-care way, and very satisfying.

Well, and a vaguely twisted mindset and very unhealthy attachment patterns, but no one cares about that.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


If any of you sissyMary's wanna see something bad, install a new sump-pump in your basement crawl space and spend over 30 minutes over 1 hour immersed in 1 foot, freezing cold water wearing nothing but your boxer shorts.

Oh yeah... do it while suffering from the 101 degree fever that kept you laid up for the two days you had the pump in your position before the old pump went out.

Let's not forget that this is the same crawl-space, in the same basement, in the same house I bought for 70k under cost because of massive mold damage to the basement from previous floods.


Now that I feel better, I revel in it.....

Whatever bugs got me in those 2 weeks are GONE for GOOD now.


Don't listen to me though, moms on the board.....

Keep your kids out of the dirt and constantly lather them up with Purel wipes, moms....

Don't be surprised when your "kid" dies at 28 because he/she didn't know how to defend themselves against whatever particular "cold" they should have recieved about 12 times when they were younger and would have been harmless to them, but just happens to be lethal to somebody who's bones aren't still growing today.......

Put the Purell away....

You'll thank me later.


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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Some of the best trolls I've seen are also very effective poes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

A few have managed to infiltrate groups to such a degree that they have even been made admins within those groups, at which point the mask comes off and the fun really starts.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:40 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Good thing we don't have admins ey.

Jack you make a good point about kids and dirt, its good for them to get dirty because it strengthens their immune systems. When I was little I was a rather sickly child, I caught lots of things and made it and now I've got an iron immune system. If I'd been born in the olden days I would have died from one of my various childhood sicknesses and it would have been good and right and the best thing for myself and my family, that way I would have been weeded out of the gene pool and spared the agony that would come later, but which the olden days couldn't treat. I probably would have gotten burnt at the stake when I was thirteen and first started having trouble. So nature would have been kind to me by killing me off from infections in early girlhood. But this is today and here I am, for better or worse, when I'm doing better I think the former and when I'm doing worse I think the latter. But there are lots of things in my life worth living for and experiencing, so that's always good, that's what keeps me flying. I think I'm brave and tough. Maybe I'm tricking myself and I'm not. But I think I am and I trust that I am and I hope that I am.

This thread has gotten lame so I'm changing to subject. But that's okay. Trolls are boring.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:45 AM

PIRATENEWS

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"The world today has 6.8 billion people that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
-Bill Gates
http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html



Dozens of vaccine workers and their police state death squads murdered in self defense:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21585291

Female Vaccination Workers, Essential in Pakistan, Become Prey
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/world/asia/un-halts-vaccine-work-in-
pakistan-after-more-killings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


More polio vaccination workers killed in Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/19/more-polio-vaccination-wor
kers-killed


Gunmen Kill Nigerian Polio Vaccine Workers in Echo of Pakistan Attacks
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-polio-vaccin
e-workers-are-killed-by-gunmen.html




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Bill Gates Continues ‘God’s Work’ To Reduce Population With Vaccines, Third World Vaccine Workers Shot Dead

In January 2013, Bill Gates told the world in an interview that he had no need for money and that he believed the global vaccination program was God’s work. [1] “It’s not going to stop us succeeding,” says Gates. “It does force us to sit down with the Pakistan government to renew their commitments, see what they’re going to do in security and make changes to protect the women who are doing God’s work and getting out to these children and delivering the vaccine.”

His words came after several vaccine workers administering the polio vaccination in Pakistan were shot dead in January. [2]

It appears that although Gates wants to carry on with what he calls ‘God’s work,’ people living in the third world are beginning to make their feelings abundantly clear. It appears that they don’t want his vaccines or his charity, as more shootings were reported in Nigeria.

On February 8, 2013, The Guardian reported that at least nine health workers administering the polio vaccinations in Nigeria were shot dead by gunmen thought to belong to radical an Islamist sect. The Guardian wrote:


“The killings drew comparisons with a series of incidents in Pakistan last December where five female polio vaccinators were gunned down, apparently by Islamist militants. It also signalled a fresh wave of hostility towards immunisation drives in Nigeria, where some clerics have claimed the vaccines are part of a western plot to sterilise young girls and eliminate the Muslim population.” [3]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT’S IN THAT NEEDLE?

They are right to be suspicious because it would not be the first time that vaccines were given with the intention of sterilizing women in the third world. In 1995, many third world countries were given a tetanus vaccine containing a birth control drug by the World Health Organization.

An organization known as The Comite became suspicious of the protocols surrounding the vaccines and obtained several vials for testing. It was discovered that some of the vials contained human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), a naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.

However, when combined with a tetanus toxoid carrier, this vaccine essentially causes a woman’s body to produce antibodies against pregnancy, forcing her body to abort her unborn baby, as reported by ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute:


“In nature the hCG hormone alerts the woman’s body that she is pregnant and causes the release of other hormones to prepare the uterine lining for the implantation of the fertilized egg. The rapid rise in hCG levels after conception makes it an excellent marker for confirmation of pregnancy: when a woman takes a pregnancy test she is not tested for the pregnancy itself, but for the elevated presence of hCG.

However, when introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies will be formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy; when a woman has sufficient anti-hCG antibodies in her system, she is rendered incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.” [4]

Curiously, no men, boys or babies were vaccinated during the program. The only people vaccinated with this particular vaccine were women aged between 15 and 45. Was it a coincidence that these vaccines were only given to women of childbearing age? After all, anyone can contract tetanus, can’t they?

THE ADVERSE EVENT YOU MIGHT NOT EXPECT

Polio vaccine workers are not the only health workers who have been attacked during the last few months. In December 2012, La Voix reported that parents of vaccine-damaged children in Chad, Northern Africa, took out their anger and frustration by torching a car belonging to a hospital worker. [5]

VacTruth has since been informed by Chadian contacts that the people of Chad are boycotting all vaccinations, while the parents of the vaccine damaged children stoned the school’s headmaster who had forced pupils to take the MenAfriVac Meningitis A vaccine. The parents have since announced that they have no choice but to take government and its international organizations to court.

This is probably because whether Gates believes he is doing ‘God’s work’ or not, dumping severely vaccine damaged children in a remote village in Africa without a doctor on site is almost certainly not God’s work and this is exactly what Gates has allowed to happen to the children adversely affected by the MenAfriVac Meningitis A vaccine.

Over the last few months I have written four articles covering recent events in Chad, Northern Africa, where 106 children became ill after receiving the meningitis vaccine, 40 of which were left paralyzed and suffering from convulsions. [6,7,8,9]

This week, VacTruth received word from a Chadian contact that said:


“Last night the Chadian minister of health evacuated all children paralyzed from MenAfriVac meningitis A vaccine, including very ill children, to Faya. I have just spoken to one person, who told me that seven girls and a boy are seriously ill with convulsions.

Please, help us. This forced evacuation of very ill and paralyzed children on a military plan, to a destination where there is not even basic medical personnel and equipment, is deliberately sending vulnerable children to a place where they are likely to die.”

Faya is a small town surrounded by desert at least 100 miles away from the children’s home village of Gouro. This is extremely worrying, especially after VacTruth received several medical records confirming that these children did indeed suffer vaccine injuries.

MEDICAL RECORDS AS EVIDENCE

Over the past three months, members of the community of Gouro have reached out to VacTruth with desperate pleas for assistance as they helplessly watch their children suffer. We received a copy of one of the children’s medical records from their parent, which was written in French and translated on our behalf by Desiree Rover, an activist and avid campaigner from the Netherlands.

According to the record of treatment, the child was admitted to the hospital for an “undesirable post-vaccinal manifestation” and “intoxication by meningitis A vaccine.” Over the course of the hospital stay, the child suffered from headaches, shaking, vomiting, intense abdominal pain, and “contractions,” which likely refers to seizures.

Sadly, this child was prescribed Largactil, a psychiatric drug used to treat schizophrenia, probably due to the fact that members of the government have insisted that the paralyzed children’s afflictions were all in their heads. There is no mention in the clinical records of any prescription or treatment for pain relief or seizures.

This medical record, as well as the others sent to VacTruth by parents, demonstrates that these children need continued medical care. Yet, the ill children have been returned to an isolated, poorly equipped village far from sufficient available help!

It has since been reported by Ecoterra International that the conditions of at least ten children have deteriorated since being evacuated. [10]

POLIO RATES SKYROCKET IN THE MIDST OF VACCINATION CAMPAIGNS

As if the poorest regions of Africa has not had enough problems, GlaxoSmithKline has decided that they would get in on the act. Ethan A. Huff from Natural News reported on Feburary 19, 2013, that GlaxoSmithKline has teamed up with the company Biological E Ltd. and together they have decided that is a great idea to give the children of Africa a six-in-one vaccine. This is a single-dose vaccine for polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough (pertussis), hepatitis B, and Haemophilus influenzae type B.

This vaccine will be specifically designed for the poorest children of world. Natural News says:


“According to reports, GSK will add the contents of its injectable polio shot to a pentavalent vaccine already being manufactured by Biological E Ltd. that contains the other five vaccines. Together, as part of a 50-50 joint venture, the two companies will manufacture the hexavalent vaccine, which will rival similar combination vaccines for polio currently being developed and administered by rival drug companies in India such as Serum Institute of India Ltd. and Sanofi Pasteur.” [11]

According to Natural News, a study published in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (IJME) found that cases of polio-related paralysis have skyrocketed as a result of widespread polio vaccine campaigns throughout India, which means the populations of India are not benefiting from existing polio vaccines as the vaccine industry claims they are. So the two companies decided to put their heads together and come up with a new vaccine to boost their own economy.

In other words if at first you do not succeed, try, try, try again!

Dr. Rebecca Carley made her feelings abundantly clear about vaccines being used as bioweapons in an article recently, while the resulting damage is hidden from the public. She wrote:


“As I continue to follow the ongoing vaccine induced genocide of the indigenous Tibu children in Chad, Africa, it has become obvious that the totality of the documents I have accrued over the years has now reached critical mass for the purpose of going on the offensive against the psychopaths orchestrating the depopulation agenda. This was the topic of my RBN show on 2/10/13; you can access the archive for free by going to http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/New-RBN-Dr-Carle
y-Archives.html
. [12]

Dr. Carley is right, as there is no better way of covering up adverse events than dumping sick children in the middle of nowhere and leaving them to die, is there? The saying ‘out of sight, out of mind’ springs to mind.
CONCLUSION

It appears that Mr. Gates will go to any lengths to vaccinate the world, even if the world makes it very clear that they do not want his vaccines. Rather than vaccinating more children, if he was such a humanitarian, why has he allowed vulnerable, sick children to be dumped in the middle of nowhere to die? Surely the world would applaud him far more loudly if he spent his millions making sure that any vaccine casualties were sufficiently cared for.

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/26/rebels-shooting-vaccine-workers/



"The nation’s largest abortion provider topped $1 billion in total net assets in 2009-2010, its first time reaching that mark, according to Planned Parenthood’s latest annual report. Almost half of the group’s annual revenue — 46 percent — comes from taxpayers in the form of grants, contracts and Medicaid payments, according to an analysis by the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List."
-The Hill, Planned Parenthood tops $1 billion in assets, 12/30/11
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/abortion/201833-planned-parenthoo
d-tops-1-billion-in-assets


"In a lengthy interview with Bill Moyers released today, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates reveals the inspiration for his funding of pro-abortion population control measures. Responding to a question by Moyers on how he came to fund “reproductive issues” Gates answered, “When I was growing up, my parents were always involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2003/may/03050902

Bill Gates' father's jewish law firm ran Planned Parenthood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Gates,_Sr

"Microsoft founder turned philanthropist Bill Gates released a glass full of mosquitoes at an elite technology conference to make a point about the deadly disease malaria. "Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at the Technology, Entertainment, Design Conference — a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars. "I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected." The unusual presentation on malaria prevention was confirmed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's media office.
In September, Gates announced that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would provide $168.7 million to the PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative to help develop a vaccine for the deadly disease [and avoid paying taxes on $168.7 million by giving it to themselves]." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488348,00.html

"The UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs announced plans to combat Dengue fever and other mosquito-borne illnesses with genetically modified mosquitoes designed to make them sterile or simply kill them off, as reported on the U.N news service IRIN. These mosquitoes are engineered with an extra gene or inserted bacterium. "People generally do not like the unknown and are alarmist. Because there has never been a [field] release of GM [genetically modified] mosquitoes, critics are free to imagine what can possibly go wrong," said UK-based entomologist and professor at Imperial College London, John Mumford. The Malaysia-headquartered NGO Pesticide Action Network-Asia and the Pacific opposed a since-granted request to release modified mosquitoes on the grounds that "it may have environmental or health consequences as well as carry risks arising from horizontal gene transfer", wrote executive director, Sarojeni V. Rengam, who stressed the "possibility of new health risks to humans and animals....the insect may become more virulent, aggressive, or its bite might have different effects on the host." The most shocking section of this release is that for the last 50 years scientists have released billions of engineered insects into the ecosystem. In fact, many have reported that recent dengue outbreaks can be directly traced to U.S. Army experiments coordinated by the CIA. In most cases of government funding for scientific research, there is usually a military origin. The technology is even being used as another manufactured terrorist threat. The U.N. proudly reports: 'Australian researchers from the University of Queensland, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, have received regulatory approval to begin in December to release mosquitoes infected with a bacterium.'"
-Activist Post ,Bill Gates Funds Approval of GM Mosquitoes, November 4, 2010
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/11/bill-gates-funds-approval-of-gm.ht
ml


"Harold Shipman, the British family doctor who murdered more than 200 of his patients to become one of the worst serial killers of all time, hanged himself in his prison cell on the eve of his 58th birthday, prison officials said. Shipman was sentenced to life imprisonment in January 2000 for the murder of 15 female patients between 1975 and 1998, and faced no prospect of parole. Two years later an inquiry concluded that he was responsible for the deaths by lethal injection of at least another 200 mostly female and elderly patients at his greater Manchester area practice. Most of Shipman's victims died suddenly without having experienced any life-threatening symptoms. They were, by and large, elderly women who died after being given a lethal injection, usually of morphine, while Shipman visited them in their homes."
—Reuters, "Britain's worst serial killer Dr. 'Death' dies in prison," January 13, 2004
www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1024925.htm

Merck brags Vioxx killed more people than Americans killed in the Vietnam War
http://www.ktradionetwork.com/2009/11/25/vioxx-scandal-news/
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40946

"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 10-Million annual aborticides in USA)
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm





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Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:28 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

This thread has gotten lame so I'm changing to subject. But that's okay. Trolls are boring.


You're getting the hang of it. Soon you'll be trolling me back like a pro.

I can't really help it. Like you, people in other ages would've thought I was a changeling; unlike you, I don't ever really get sick.

PN: Yeah, I'm not sure why people think Bill Gates is such a good guy just because he does humanitarian aid work. He's still pretty much pure evil - his business practices when he was running Microsoft are an obvious sign.

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Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:48 AM

BYTEMITE


Kwicko: Poe himself was an amazing troll.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheNarrativeOfArthurG
ordonPymOfNantucket


(not the same poe, but still)

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Friday, March 1, 2013 3:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Damn skippy, Riona!

Honestly, we don't even know what we're messing with here, doing our damned best to sheild our kids from EVERYTHING, including the common cold.

Think about that phrase for a second "Common Cold".....

What does that remind you of......?

It reminds me of the generic term for mixed Europeans today, "Caucasian".

Caucasian is so insulting to me because it throws away any culture that my history may have been made up of. I'm quite sure that any blacks and hispanics here can say the same thing.

Denying a child the ability to be exposed and build immunities to the "Common Cold" is just like how we've managed to basically create a NEW race of "White American" people with ZERO heritage and call them Caucasian. Neither practice, I believe, is healthy in the long run.

How many of those "Common Colds" today were deadly flu viruses or something similar 200 years ago???? How many of them have been thrown on the shit-heap of "nothing more than runny-nose annoyances" that keep Kleenex in business?

Even if one or more of what we dismiss as common colds today were considered plagues in the 1400's, you've got to hand it to the little buggers.... they really know how to hold on, don't they????

For all we know, any one of the potential serious outbreaks we face today could be evolutions of those viruses and bacteria that were so harmless, only 10 years ago. We pump our kids so readily with penicillin and make sure they're wiping their hands so many times to instill OCD into them that we're probably inducing survival of the fittest in the micro-colonies that infest our hands.



Did I ever tell you about my Strep Throat horror story?

I had full health insurance, but hate going to the doctor for anything.

Long story short, I finally succumbed and begged my brother to drive me to the clinic after 8 days and a 103 degree fever. (I still don't even know if the human body can fight this on its own, but I couldn't wait one more day to find out on my own).

At that point, the right side of my throat had swollen easily to the size of a golf ball. Had the left swollen up that much, I wouldn't be able to breathe or swallow. As gross as it sounds, I wish I had pictures of it instead of just the memories of that gigantic, puss-ridden horror in my mouth. Even swallowing ice-cream or ice-water felt like swallowing a handful of razor blades.

2 years later, when I was 27, I was working one night and told my brother, 8 hours before the shift ended, that I was going back to the same clinic because I had strep throat again. He said "How do you know?". I said, trust me bro....

When the nurse practitioner asked me what I needed today, I told her I needed penicillin because I had strep throat. She used her tongue-depresser and flash-scope and told me there was no evidence of strep and she'd have to swab test for it. I told her to knock herself out. 10 minutes later, she told me I had strep and 15 minutes later I had my prescription. I didn't miss a single day of work that time.

Part of virus/bacteria, I believe, is mental prevention, but only when you REALLY know what you're defending yourself against. Most illnesses will run their course. Just don't let them go too long unchecked.

If I could turn back time though........

My singing voice for most Karaoke is shit today. I still do a mean Tom Petty, but there are a lot of 80's/90's love songs I can't touch anymore because the aftermath of a golf-ball size "tumor" on the tonsil totally re-shapes the landscape of the tubes.....

I hate being old......


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Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:44 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It would make absolutely no sense to talk about vaccine effectiveness in people WHO HADN'T HAD THE VACCINE."

They're the control group. Not everyone who is un-vaccinated gets the flu. not everyone who is vaccinated will avoid it. If you are doing calculations about a vaccine's effectiveness your statistics have to take that into account.

"Vaccine efficacy/effectiveness (VE) is measured by calculating the risk of disease among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons and determining the percentage reduction in risk of disease among vaccinated persons relative to unvaccinated persons.

Risk among unvaccinated group - risk among vaccinated group divided byRisk among unvaccinated group


OR: 1 - risk ratio"

1 is the statistical equivalent of 100%

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:27 PM

BYTEMITE


I understand how a control group works (which, BTW, isn't usually the general unvaccinated population, but a group that has been given a proxy or placebo to compare the difference in a controlled setting).

This is simple statistics for vaccine effectiveness after the vaccine has been produced and administered.

Shall I quote what you posted to me?

Quote:

"These adjusted VE (vaccine effectiveness) estimates indicate that vaccination with the 2012–13 influenza season vaccine reduced the risk for OUTPATIENT MEDICAL VISITS resulting from influenza by approximately one half to two thirds for most persons, although VE was lower and not statistically significant among older adults."


Quote:

Oh, I just wanted to add this - you all completely misunderstood the statistics. It's not that half of all people got the flu whether or not they were vaccinated. It's that compared to un-vaccinated people as the 100% mark, only 56% got the flu.


Quote:

"Vaccine efficacy/effectiveness (VE) is measured by calculating the risk of disease among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons and determining the percentage reduction in risk of disease among vaccinated persons relative to unvaccinated persons.


Emphasis yours.

I'm not even sure at this point what you're saying I have wrong. None of us ever said that half of all people got the flu whether or not they were vaccinated. It was an unfair and inaccurate accusation to make.

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If I may quote you:

'For the rest of the population it's 56%, but that's not exactly good either. 50% would mean an even odds bet that you'll get the virus anyway (or exhibit vaccine symptoms exactly like a virus).'


While you made no specific statement about un-vaccinated people, to complete the context of your statement, the REST of it SHOULD have been - and your chances of getting the flu are 75% if you're un-vaccinated. (or at 56% effectiveness, about 80%)

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
For the rest of the population it's 56%, but that's not exactly good either. 50% would mean an even odds bet that you'll get the virus anyway (or exhibit vaccine symptoms exactly like a virus).



Right, and I said that in respects for the vaccine's efficiency. I didn't think I'd have to spell it out because it was an implied part of the comment. I said "vaccine symptoms exactly like a virus" which was a big indicator. As was the "anyway" which is not the same as "Whether or not" in context, but rather "if you get vaccinated." I was making a snark about how I think that people are actually getting the flu from the vaccines. I was talking about people who were vaccinated.

And I inferred that the percentage might hold true in the greater population of vaccinated people based on a theoretically representative sample. That's the whole point of statistics. More specifically that's "the rest of the vaccinated population compared to the vaccinated elderly," which I was correcting PN about.


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Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:22 PM

BYTEMITE


I honestly don't know what we're arguing about because we agree?

I'm going to play video games now.

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:19 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


changeling (might) = better than being burnt at the stake. Even if changeling perception = killed its better when you're little to be killed, than being killed when you're older. Mary says that if I lived back then my mh differences would have taken a different form and I might have ended up touched instead of ending up this way. She probably said that to make me feel better. It kind of worked, but I don't believe her, I should be so lucky.

Great points Jack about kids and germs etc.

Maybe honesty and saying exactly what you want to say can be a form of trolling, even if you're not being mean. With this group I think that is indeed the case.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 4, 2013 8:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Perception is reality Riona....

It blows my mind how the RWED, on a daily basis, has tons of realities colliding everyday.



I'll step aside from the conversation now, and just address the main thread topic.


"CDC says flu shot only 9% effective against flu".....

That's shitty odds....

I got better odds at winning a free scratch off ticket when I buy one....

In my book, that's not worth it to me. Even when I was sick for a week longer after replacing my sump-pump, it wasn't because of "the flu". I was still hungry for food as ever.

For anybody else, be my guest. Let them pump you with whatever vile viles of whatever they have cooked up in a lab and maybe you'll do better. I'll take my chances. It's worked out so far, and I haven't had health insurance since 2009 (and didn't use it once since I first got it in 2005).

Here's hoping I live only the average life expectancy before 1912.

Why would I want to work one day longer than when my youth/beauty failed me, and more importantly, one day after I was no longer able to climax?

Thanks for using my "fear of death" to line your pockets with the money that I should have bequeathed to my next of kin hospitals/government, but not this guy. You can take those needles and shiny cutting objects and stick them up your ass and spin on them...

When I get sick enough that the local no-appointment clinic can't do anything, I'll only need enough money to keep me drunk and/or high enough to bear the pain until I'm dead and then I can be one of the few remaining people in the 99% that can actually supplement their loved one's income instead of taking away from it when they die.

My living will says not to do a damn thing with me unless I'm conscious enough, with a sane mind, to ask for it.

I don't want the hospitals/government to get one fucking dime of the meager castle I've built. One day, this may be my brother's home, and I'll be dammned if some hospital is going to take that away from him because of some laws that demand they keep bleeding my equity while keeping me alive.


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Monday, March 4, 2013 2:08 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

changeling (might) = better than being burnt at the stake.


One of the commonly recommended remedies for a changeling is to throw the evil child upon the hearth fire or into an oven. So not really.

If the child were truly a disguised fairy, they'd take their true form and flee the house, never to return - meanwhile human problem children would be killed and most authority types would look the other way, so it kinda worked out for the beleaguered parents.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 2:28 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

One day, this may be my brother's home, and I'll be dammned if some hospital is going to take that away from him because of some laws that demand they keep bleeding my equity while keeping me alive.


Hmm. I kind of agree.

In the very least it's clear that our medical system is screwed up - I don't think it's productive to ruin people's lives and destroy their assets with exorbitant costs and skyrocketing insurance just to keep them alive.

Of course it's not better if they died, but the way things work right now it almost becomes a tempting alternative for some of them after they've lost their job and their finances are ruined. Becomes a question of whether it's really about helping people after all.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 3:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I still maintain that being burned alive is better the younger you are, you understand less of what's up.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 4, 2013 5:16 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

I still maintain that being burned alive is better the younger you are, you understand less of what's up.


I would think there's not much ambiguity no matter what age you are.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 5:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




No wonder Beavis and Spongebob are so popular!


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Monday, March 4, 2013 6:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Becomes a question of whether it's really about helping people after all."

It's a BUSINESS, dear.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 6:36 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Becomes a question of whether it's really about helping people after all."

It's a BUSINESS, dear.



Preying on the sick and dying is the mode of scavengers and parasites. If someone provides a service and their customer/client comes out at the end worse off then they went into it, then they aren't honest, and they aren't humane.

I know I give the impression of hating medicine, and I don't intend to. Science and medicine are great advances, and we still have progress to make, things to learn. Vaccines were progress when they were invented, and they have changed things. Small pox was eliminated.

But there's some styles of medicine practice and hospital management and businesses associated with it all that kind of offend me because they exploit the people depending on them.

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