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What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?

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Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Okay. So I was thinking about this today.
The nicest things people have said about me: Jack says I'm humble, I don't think its true, I fake it okay for short periods, but I don't think I'm a particularly humble person. Jack also says other good things about me that I would like to think are true. People say that even though I may not agree with them they think I'm someone who cares about people essentially. I feel this is true. I do care about people, they're all that really matters for the most part, relationships are what matters when you boil life down.

As for the bad things: People say I'm passive agressive. I've thought about that one since it happened last March, I didn't really understand what that means but I think I finally get it. And now that I understand what it means I think I can agree that I'm a bit passive aggressive, but not to a problematic level, I don't think a bit of it hurts anyone. Why is it such an insult to be told you're passive aggressive? What's wrong with it in moderation?
I've been told that I'm a goody two shoes, what is the etimology of that one anyways? Whether that is true remains to be seen. In some ways I'm prudish and in some ways I'm crude, it all depends on the topic really and what people define as prude and crude, I've got both going on.
People think its "sad" that I believe some of the things I do. If they seriously think that's sad then they should go experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is. So I can't agree there. I believe what I believe, it is what it is, I'm an adult with the right to believe and live my life as I see fit, y'all can believe how you wish too, its a free verse.

Others? What are the best, and worse, things you recall off the top of your head people saying to you on this forum? Do you think they are true?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya


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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Pretty much anything most folks here say about me is pure fiction, posted out of sheer spite, and zero credibility.

Getting complements is not why I come here.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:10 AM

BYTEMITE


I make it a point to say the worst things about me. As an attempt to mitigate the effect of insults so I don't keep gnawing through my own leash, teeth all sharpened to shark points like the berserkers of old, foaming at the mouth with beady orange eyes and a sickly pallor.

This rarely works. Crazed hyena laughter echoes through the board - it is only a matter of time.

Anyway. I eventually got used to passive aggressive, now I'm wound up about rape-enabling. Because I guess I do that? OR SOMETHING.

Worst thing I ever said to someone else is I called Niki a Left Wing Operative once, and I regularly accuse people of insincerity. Most of the time I piss people off just by being my abrasive self, I don't really have to insult people.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Riona, I can't really answer your question. I've had a lot of negative things said about me, and I've posted the very worst of them before. I don't keep track of who says what except for those, which were quite memorable.

I can recall some good things, but not who said them. I think I was called RELATIVELY fair-minded by someone--that's compared to some others here. I think I was told my posts were intelligent and that I really did try to have civil debates... No, I can't do this. I can't remember the specific wording, so trying to paraphrase what was said might get it wrong. Sorry.

Yes, there IS nothing wrong with being passive-aggressive in moderation, you're right. Many of us do it...ironically, I'm passive-aggressive in real life (try not to be), but not here, I don't think so anyway. If you look up passive-aggressive, you will probably find explanations for it and yes, taken to extremes, it can be pretty awful on those around one. But many, many of us are unconsciously so to a degree. Few here, I might say.

I think people call you Goody Two Shoes because your consistent "goodness" seems faked to them--just guessing here. The best definition I could find is
Quote:

Belittling and insulting term for a person who won't do anything that can be regarded as "wrong" or "immoral". A male or female who perceives him/herself (or is believed to perceive him/herself) as morally superior - often also God-fearing and full-bloodedly American.

Everyone thinks it comes from an old children's tale, but it actually predates that--you can easily find information on it by googling it. It's a pretty outdated term, tho' some of us still use it.

I THINK some of the feeling is because it's hard to imagine anyone who doesn't get pissed at others much, who doesn't SEEM to take strong stances on issues that they're willing to debate, and who is always complimenting or being extra kind to others. That's not common here, so it stands out and people are suspicious of it. Again, just guessing.

I'm probably one of those who feels your intense religiosity is "sad". I won't go into that unless you want further, but I'm confused as to "experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is" -- who here do you think doesn't experience real life? I don't understand.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I make it a point to say the worst things about me. As an attempt to mitigate the effect of insults so I don't keep gnawing through my own leash, teeth all sharpened to shark points like the berserkers of old, foaming at the mouth with beady orange eyes and a sickly pallor.

This rarely works. Crazed hyena laughter echoes through the board - it is only a matter of time.


Marry me?
*ducks*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EngagingConversation

-Frem
laughing soooo hard

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:52 AM

STORYMARK


Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.

Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:57 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Marry me?
*ducks*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EngagingConversation

-Frem
laughing soooo hard



A new challenger appears. A battle royale ensues over insults against girl, society, and nature itself.

We go now to the scene of the dispute:

*is checked into a wall*

And death settles the whole shebang. Oh well.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:02 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.

Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



It is the board consensus that they, also, think that you are attractive. There is speculation about the reverse.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:07 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.

Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



It is the board consensus that they, also, think that you are attractive. There is speculation about the reverse.



LOL. Well done.

I cannot comment on their attractiveness, as to my knowledge, none of them has ever posted any images. Of course, there are faces I have mentally attributed to them. Rappy generally looks something like this:






Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:26 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:


LOL. Well done.



I contribute to discord where I can. And see no better conclusion to this thread than escalating attempts from everyone on the board to top improbable insults.

Among, perhaps, other kinds of topping. But that is an idea that does not bear close examination, apart to say:

This thread smells like a troll orgy.

...Nice legs.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


OMIGAWD Mark, you captured Wulf's essence perfectly! Rap...mmmm, not s'much; I picture him as far more buttoned-down. But Wulf--there he IS!
Quote:

That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.

That he is. That he is! Speaking as a die-hard cougar, I have to say downright yummy!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:26 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Niki, there are differences between the word "religeon" and the word "religiosity" you might want to look to that. Its cute when Mal gets them mixed up but its not as cute when others do.

That being said I get just as pissed off at people as anyone else does, obvious by my sideways retorts to people which can easily be spotted if one looks for them. I just like being a little more ... sideways about it as opposed to coming right out and saying it. I guess its just my style and, yes, its passive agressive.

Niki does bring up a good point though, in that I don't see myself as very passive agressive in real life. In real life I try to avoid confrontation because I don't like getting in fights. But fights online aren't as bad because you have time to figure out what you want to say and how you want to say it. Even then though you sometimes say things you regret later. In real life though getting in fights means you can lose something, whereas online fights are sort of risk free, or perhaps risk lower. In real life if you say what you think there are consequences, online the consequences are much less and not really worth being too concerned about, everything blows over eventually.

There's an episode of Merlin where Uther is enchanted and thus falls in love with a troll. He sees her as a beautiful young woman and the rest of them see, and smell, her for what she is. Its pretty funny. That's a fun show.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:05 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
...but really, who gives a shit?



Excellent! You capture exactly the way I feel about your insults directed at me.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:51 PM

PENQUIN11


Hmm... I'm pretty new to the forums, however people have in general been very kind towards me. Actually Im pretty sure that no-one has been even remotely insulting or rude towards me.

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:52 AM

BYTEMITE


You're new? I insult you for the sake of inclusiveness!

(Hi and welcome)

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:00 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
OMIGAWD Mark, you captured Wulf's essence perfectly! Rap...mmmm, not s'much; I picture him as far more buttoned-down. But Wulf--there he IS!



Somehow, I always imagined wulf with a great deal more foam at the corners of his mouth...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
...but really, who gives a shit?



Excellent! You capture exactly the way I feel about your insults directed at me.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



What, calling you old is an insult? Who chose your handle then?

Or do you mean pointing out your incessant stream of demonstrably false equivocations? That's insulting? Hmm.... Maybe you misunderstand the word....




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:56 AM

BYTEMITE


Storymark/Geezer: I congratulate you on keeping with the spirit of the thread. But this conflagration needs more oxidation.



I've seen better flamewars from POLAR BEARS.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:01 AM

BYTEMITE




Seriously, despite the nuclear explosion behind them, they look like they're about to hug.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:02 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Er, I think I've been called cold or something similar during a discussion around morality. I think it was because my views appear anti to a lot of religious beliefs about humanity. I don't think I'm a cold person in RL, but I might come across a bit clinical in my arguments and sometimes people don't like that. Re best things - more about my posts than me personally. A few times, people have said they were well written, well expressed. Apart from being a terrible speller, I think I can put down a good argument in writing, mostly.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:16 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Magon's, sometimes your posts can come off as a little colder, but they're warmer than some folks round these parts, so it could be worse. There are much colder people than you.
Disagreements aside, I find your posts to be clear and easy to understand in regard to your arguments and how you express them. And for the record there are indeed things I agree with you on, we can't agree on everything in life, but I think we all have at least some things we can agree with each person in the world on. I think you would be surprised at how often I agree with you on certain issues.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.

LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.

I've been told I'm noble (not true, I'm a jerk),
I've been told I'm a Liberal (vile crap- I'm a Buddhist Libertarian).

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:53 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Several Liberals in RWED have called me stupid or an idiot over the years, sometimes using the "f" word to emphasize the point. And someone once called me "an effing steaming pile of go se." That's actually my favorite one of all time. I wanted to have it made into a t-shirt but my wife said no.

On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).

All of the above is true to some degree.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:54 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Brenda you haven't been here that long. Plus you're rather non confrontational and your views fit in with the mainstream, so I doubt too much will happen to you. The only person who will possibly be mean to you is Wish (my online nemesis, look out). But she's been scarce lately so no immediate concern on that front.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).


As Neanderthal Conservatives go, I think you ROCK, Jong.
Just sayin'.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:26 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).


As Neanderthal Conservatives go, I think you ROCK, Jong.
Just sayin'.



Ug, Ug! Sometimes me likes to be Neanderthal


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Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:07 PM

BYTEMITE


For a cave girl, her hair is looking mighty groomed, her makeup is impeccable, and her legs are very clean shaven.

However, bonus points for poster from Shawshank Redemption.

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:34 PM

PENQUIN11


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
For a cave girl, her hair is looking mighty groomed, her makeup is impeccable, and her legs are very clean shaven.

However, bonus points for poster from Shawshank Redemption.



My type cave gal!

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Storybook's pic is a prime example of what I'm talking about.

I don't smoke, never wore a mullet, or had hair near that long, don't dress like that, never had a shorts that hideous, my legs are far more attractive, I don't drink skanky beer in aluminum cans,or have a satellite dish, and probably don't own any guns, at all.

But as Storybook says, who gives a flip? I just point it out because it's funny how gorram far off the mark some are. Oh well.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 1, 2013 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons, "what Riona said". I've never found your posts "cold", and have always respected that, unlike some others here, your points are eloquently and concisely made, even when I disagree with them.

Brenda, I look forward to seeing you angry, especially given we agree on most things! ;o)

Mark, mmmmm, you may be right about the foam...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, February 1, 2013 8:16 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.

LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.




I frequent a number of boards that feature left/right arguments.... and its absolutely astounding how poor the language skills are amongst the wingnuts and tpublicans.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, February 1, 2013 8:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, that used to amaze me, too. In time I recognized that there are two main contributors: The hatred and dissing of eduction reflected by the GOP appeals to people like that, and LACK of education makes it easier for them to swallow the simplistic propaganda from the right.

It still amazes me, tho', when I come up against it.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:32 PM

MAL4PREZ


I missed this thread, as it came out during my busy winter months. Interesting idea. I've certainly had bad things said about me, some earned, some not. I find that I get into exploring people's weirdnesses, rather than the topic at hand. The topic brings out the weirdness, which can be more interesting than any RW news event. Really, I've learned a lot about people brain's here, people who are quite different from me so I wouldn't interact with them much in RL.

It's not surprising that other posters don't react well when I start trying to figure out how they work, especially if I get it right. So they call me names sometimes. I honestly don't recall the names. Most of them don't hurt, either because they come from people I don't respect, or because I know that they are lashing out for reasons that have nothing to do with who I am.

So are the insults true? I don't think so, but I can see why certain posters get upset with me.

I've had some nice things said too. I like to think all those are true. :) I think I can be insightful, and I can explain things pretty clearly. I do put some effort into making my posts clear and concise. I don't always succeed. And though I have my heated moments, I try to be a calm and rational voice.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:33 PM

MAL4PREZ


Another interesting question: what are the meanest and nicest things we've said to other posters? Where they true?

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:01 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:56 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.



You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.

Once in a blue moon, someone will say something nice about a post I make. But I don't remember anyone saying anything nice about ME, the person.

Insults? Oh yeah, they rack up around me. I might be the most insulted person on this board, second to Rappy. True? Not at all. I have so many horrible defects, but for some reason, you people miss 99% of them in favor of imaginary ones you concoct about me.



-----

Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.



You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.

Once in a blue moon, someone will say something nice about a post I make. But I don't remember anyone saying anything nice about ME, the person.

Insults? Oh yeah, they rack up around me. I might be the most insulted person on this board, second to Rappy. True? Not at all. I have so many horrible defects, but for some reason, you people miss 99% of them in favor of imaginary ones you concoct about me.



-----

Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.



You've said that I support killing thousands of innocents, that I am morally inferior to you because I *try* rather than quit and hide in a corner, and that I am no different than someone who would choose to take part in a gang-rape.

Quote:


Mal4prez: I choose to believe you didn't really mean to compare a vote for a Obama to a choice to join a gang rape. It kind of seems like you made that comparison, but I think - I hope! - you didn't mean it that way.

CTS: Yes. I DID mean it that way.



Um... you were talking about the insults aimed at poor little innocent *you*?

Honey, you have earned whatever is coming your way.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 2:54 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:


You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.





Really? I must be oblivious. I suppose I feel fairly neutral about most people here, even though I might not support some people's view.

In the middle of a heated discussion on something I might get heated about what I am saying or what someone has said, so I suppose that get be viewed as mean.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 3:58 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
You've said that I support killing thousands of innocents,



You don't personally support it, morality-wise. But you made decisions and votes that support it, yes.

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that I am morally inferior to you because I *try* rather than quit
Your decision to vote for Obama was morally inferior to my decision to not vote for Obama. YOU, as a person, are not morally inferior to me, no.

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I am no different than someone who would choose to take part in a gang-rape.
Your VOTE is no different from a choice to join a gangrape. My criticism is the moral inferiority of your VOTE. Not you personally. I don't know you personally.

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Mal4prez: I choose to believe you didn't really mean to COMPARE A VOTE for a Obama to a choice to join a gang rape. It kind of seems like you made that comparison, but I think - I hope! - you didn't mean it that way.

CTS: Yes. I DID mean it that way.



Capitalized the actual comparison, see?

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Um... you were talking about the insults aimed at poor little innocent *you*?
I am FAR from innocent. And I would never claim any such thing. I am not complaining about the insults, to be clear. I am just saying the insults I get are generally inaccurate. There are much more accurate insults out there for me.

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Honey, you have earned whatever is coming your way.


Of course I have. Agreed.


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Friday, March 22, 2013 4:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.

LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.




I frequent a number of boards that feature left/right arguments.... and its absolutely astounding how poor the language skills are amongst the wingnuts and tpublicans.



Funny as hell, because no one else makes grammatical errors, huh? Completely bogus, as y'all hype up any minor error made by one group, but then are blind to exactly the same sorts of faux pas or typos made by your 'buds'.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, March 22, 2013 5:11 PM

HKCAVALIER


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
...to join a gang rape.

Hey CTS,

In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?

Please. You know why people who've grown up in this country vote in elections. You know it doesn't have anything to do with gang rape. And with the exponential marginalization of the vote as an engine of governance in this country over the past few years, who MAL4 actually votes for has less and less affect on policy with every passing day.

So, once again, a vote for Barack Obama /= gang rape perpetrated on anyone. Unless you're suggesting that Barack Obama has himself participated in gang rape. 'Cause, after Steubenville, it's pretty clear that there are any number of men in our government who have participated in gang rape and simply never got caught because fb and twitter didn't exist when they were growing up. Gang rape is not a metaphor in this context, it's a real concern.

I'm sorry, I think this whole discussion is ugly. I don't think anyone here deserves "what they get." What we all deserve is respect. Plain and simple. I hope you don't feel as if I'm trying to humiliate you, or score points. I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now and I know that both you and MAL4PREZ are decent people.

I've been holding my tongue in this forum more and more of late as I'm finding the whole exercise too painful, but I like you, CTS and I like M4P and so I spoke up. Hope that's okay with y'all.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 5:22 PM

MAL4PREZ


Thanks for the effort HK, but CTS putting my morality on a level with those who would gang rape places her permanently on my shit list.

CTS, you are a piece of shit, a coward, and a self-centered hypocrite. That is what I'm saying every time I ignore you, which will be often. You aren't worth my effort.

There, that's the worst thing I've ever said about anyone here in RWED. It has been recorded.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 5:29 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, well I think that Voting for Obama = Joing a gang rape is both stupid and insulting.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 5:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?

People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.



For them unfamiliar with the show used as video background, *SOMEONE* has to pull that string, and when they do, how then can they deny responsibility ?

-Frem

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Friday, March 22, 2013 7:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Too many words so late at night. Do you mean that we are all culpable in some way, no matter our choices? I totally agree with this.

I can also agree that assigning blame can be cowardly, lazy, and non-productive, especially in a case like this that involves passionate but, let's it, somewhat powerless people. Blaming us doesn't do much. (Except to make the high horses of some folk get a little bit taller...)

Responsibility is more forward looking: what can we do at this point? That's a much use useful way to go.

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People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.
-Frem


If this is called at me, I will respond, because I do think you're worth it. I didn't at some times in the past LOL!

CTS made a very particular statement, which she clarified and restated more than once, that she sees bad things happening and has chosen to run away, isolating her from the "system". This is is just refusing to try. She is quite happy to let the bad things continue to happen, as long as in no possible even highly indirect way does she have to feel to blame for it. Even if it happens BECAUSE she choose to run away. She has yet to show that her hidy-ness does anything but inflate her superiority complex. She sure hasn't saved any innocent Iraqis.

Have I called her morally inferior for this? No. But she sure as hell is happy pointing her fingers the other way.

Hey, I have made it clear that I think hers is a valid choice, certainly open to anyone, but I strongly disagree that it has any kind of moral high ground attached to it. To go with this analogy she finds so fitting for me: she would witness a gang rape happening and just walk away. Moral?

Perhaps the thing is that you and CTS have given up on the system, while myself and others hope to fix it. It's not very libertarian of you to judge us (and call us gang rapers - will I ever be able to think about CTS and not immediately think: wow. BITCH!) because we have hope and we TRY.

Our choices haven't fixed much. Yours haven't either. So what's all the fucking hoity-toity judgement and damnation?


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Friday, March 22, 2013 8:20 PM

MAL4PREZ


And one more post to clarify that I'm not just having a tantrum here. I actually feel quite calm. This is not drunk posting. I mean it when I use these names.

self-centered coward: hides from situations where she might possibly do good because she'd prefer to be "superior" over anyone even marginally trying, no matter if their efforts may contribute to positive changes

hypocrite: because hiding doesn't fix anything, and might even make things worse, so she's in no place to point fingers

piece of shit: this is not a term I use lightly, as I'm sure that to many people she is a lovely person. But she accused a woman who's been fairly severely damaged, and her life significantly shaped, by sexual abuse of being equivalent to a gang raper. Oh sure, she didn't know, yada, yada, but hey. You just DO NOT say things like that, especially to someone you don't know.

And so her actions have earned something special. I wouldn't offer this to Rappy or even to another poster who was once kind of a dick to me. His was an understandable moment of passion. This case is something more.

CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....


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Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:06 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....




Thank you. :) I humbly accept. With pride.

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Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:19 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?



I understand your concern, HK. But I use the metaphor deliberately.

1. Gang. Large scale political processes involve a gang-like mentality with a dissolution of personal responsibility.

2. Rape. The ultimate violation of dignity and free will. Isn't that what we're doing to countries abroad when we invade and fuck them up wholesale? Emphasis on the word "fuck." I see the entire nation of Iraq as "raped" as anyone is in a gang rape.

I am certain Mal4 is a wonderful human being, probably 100 times more wonderful than I am in real life.

But her VOTE for the leader of gangrape is immoral and sucks dick.

I am not even criticizing her vote per se. Cause we all make mistakes. Byte voted for Obama too. He lies. It's not anyone's fault if we believed his lies because we dared to hope.

I am criticizing the continued defense of a vote for Obama. Voting for him is not defensible.

And finally, I will say it again, for the record. I am not supporting running away as a solution. I am supporting running away FROM EVIL as a solution. That's just the first step. Where you run TO, well, there are lots of possibilities.

I am not advocating running away to do NOTHING. I am advocating running away to do SOMETHING NOT EVIL.

If I were Obama, I would absolutely refuse to participate in evil, resign from the presidency, and then either join a 3rd party with integrity, or start my own. Then drum up grassroots efforts like Occupy to make it so the choices aren't just evil and less evil.




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Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:29 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.



Exactly. Thank you, Frem, for always underscoring the right things.

And since we are on an insult thread, I will happily give an example of an insult that actually fits me, rather than ones that miss by a mile.

What's bullshit is that *I* feed this system myself. Even if I didn't vote for Obama, I pay taxes that feed the gangraping monster that is Obama.

Mal4 is right that I am a hypocrite, coward, and piece of shit. I know what he is doing is horribly, horribly wrong, but I am too much of a coward to go to jail for not funding his gangrape. For my participation in this gangrape, I cry bitterly. I don't defend it. But I don't expect remorse to make the rape victim feel any better.

All I can do here on this board is hopefully provoke people to think a little about their contribution to the gangrape we are inflicting on millions of innocent victims.

They won't accept responsibility, but maybe the thought would have at least crossed their minds once before being dismissed.





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Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:46 AM

HKCAVALIER


Hey CTS,

See, all this stuff about how bad you are (and in exactly the same way as MAL4, et al. in that you're supporting the Evil Doers one way or another) is just self-destructive and utterly disrespectful to yourself as a human being.

Ya know why?

Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness. Now, sure, we each as individuals may have a difficult time forgiving particular other individuals, but it doesn't change the truth that they (and we) deserve forgiveness. We all have our limits and we all have to make compremises with power 'cause there are guns and other forms fo tyranny involved. And we're not all of us terribly sane all the time. What you do to secure another day above ground must be forgiven.

You don't sound here like a person who would even know how to respect people, and yet, I know you respect your children. Is it just that they get a pass until they're of voting age? Then you'll hate and revile them as you would every other adult who isn't Che Guevara (or whichever revolutionary you would not revile)?

I don't know if it's at all fruitful to talk to you like this. I talked to Bytemite like this and only succeeded in convincing her that I despise and want to hurt her. I don't see any reason why every person on this board shouldn't admire you and think very highly of you but for these outbursts of yours that serve no one and nothing. Is making enemies of good folks over the internet a useful or necessary passtime? Is inflamatory language really the best way to make people think???

Anarchism, to my mind, isn't just an "ism," it's the truth. It's how humans live and function and always have. All the rest of it is just a lot of lies about the nature of power that people buy into. And of course, those lies are backed up with guns and prison sentences and disenfranchisement for those who don't get in line. That's how things are at the moment. But for all that, I'm lucky: surrounded by friends, able to love and nurture children, haven't had a run-in with the police in over 10 years and I get paid either to feed people or entertain people or heal them.

If voting for someone to keep a worse person from gaining power makes someone feel safer then why shouldn't they?

And lastly, just a few more thoughts about using "gang rape" as your go to metaphor for what governments do. The problem with using gang rape as a metaphor or even just plain old rape rape, for that matter, is that it doesn't happen to everyone (and that's not really a problem at all). So, using it as a metaphor is gonna be lost on a lot of people because they don't identify with it. Metaphors are only as good as their universality. And using it as a metaphor when you yourself have never experienced it is just gonna hurt the people who have. It's like when kids talk about "getting raped" when they lose at a video game. It's, at best, tacky.

And that's the problem with calling the government's policy in Iraq "gang rape." No actual victim of gang rape is gonna say they weren't raped. That the rape was actually necessary and helpful. But there are some people in Iraq who have indeed benefitted from our government's intervention over there. Some people who do not feel gang raped. So, to them it ain't gang rape. So, for you, enjoying the various perks and privileges of your afluent, non-war-zone existence to arrogate the authority to call what the folks in Iraq are going through "gang rape" is kinda insulting. It's just another form of colonialism. You're saying you know better. And unless you've been over there in the past 10 years, you really don't, do you?

HKCavalier

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