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It's to laugh: "GOP to Meet On Minority Outreach"

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Days after President Barack Obama is sworn-in for a second term, Republican leaders from across the country will assemble in the southern city where Obama accepted his party’s presidential nomination in September to strategize a path forward for the GOP in a nation experiencing major demographic shifts.

It will be a three-day discussion focused primarily on how to grow the Republican Party by convincing black, Hispanic and Asian voters that the GOP better represents their values than the Democratic Party, according to a party official involved in the planning of the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in Charlotte, North Carolina, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The argument, certainly in the near term, will be tough sell for the GOP, given the unyielding positions and controversial comments from some conservative lawmakers and opinion leaders on the issue of illegal immigration and Democrats’ deep ties to the black community. The CNN Exit Poll from the 2012 presidential election showed that Obama won 93% of the black vote, 71% of the Hispanic vote and 73% of the Asian vote.

“The big takeaway that will be discussed during the week and championed by Priebus is that the party needs more voters and needs to do a better job of reaching out to minority communities and not just six months before the election,” said the Republican official.

Priebus is RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, a 40-year-old lawyer from Wisconsin, who, until two years ago, was relatively unknown outside of the small, clubby world of the committee, an organization that has only 168 members. In January 2011, Priebus emerged from a pack of similarly ambitious Republicans, including his former political ally and then-Chairman Michael Steele, for the right to lead the national party. He inherited more than $20 million of debt after the 2010 midterm elections and a depressed RNC donor base that was being courted by White House hopefuls and congressional Republicans.

The theme of the RNC meeting is “Renew, Grow, Win,” a tacit admission that the party has some serious political reckoning to deal with in the coming months, especially with the fast-growing Hispanic population.

“The ideas and the principles of the party are sound,” said the GOP source. “But the way they need to be communicated needs to be updated to become more relatable and relevant.”

After the election, Priebus pledged to do a top-to-bottom review of the party, named it the “Growth and Opportunity Effort” and appointed five Republicans to lead the project. More at http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/17/first-on-cnn-attractin
g-minority-voters-a-key-gop-goal-as-obama-begins-second-term/?hpt=hp_bn3



Yeah, it's just about "communication". You betcha!

Heaven knows, they don't need to do anything to change their POLICIES when it comes to minorities, just "communicate" them better. Uh..huh!

So how do you better communicate forced ultrasounds, self-deportation, the belief that 47% of the nation "will never take responsibility for their lives", adamant resistance to same-sex marriage, continued insistence that Obama was born in Kenya, trying to disenfranchise minority voteres, and constant use of cute-but-fully-understood portrayals of Blacks and Obama as "less than"? That'll be a challenge...!

Let's see, last time they met on the day before his innauguration to plot how to obstruct Obama at EVERY turn (including when he backed THEIR OWN BILLS). So this time they're meeting just after his innauguration to figure out how to pull minority voters away from him and the Democrats (AND obstruct Obama at every turn). Will be interesting to see if that maneuver works any better than the previous one...

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Even more ironic: They're holding their symposium on how to talk to black people at a former slave plantation. What an awesome way to show how much they've grown and how sensitive they are to minority issues!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The Dems are giving minorities free goodies hand over fist. The GOP can not and should not even try to compete w/ the Left's voter pay off of the dumb masses. So yes, it's about communicating to the low - information voters that , in order to be treated like a full citizen, they'd better start living like one, instead of sucking off the govt teat and buying into the Dem's Nanny-state mantra.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mike, I forgot about that one. An added giggle that's just a cherry on the top!

Poor Rap...he's so irrelevant all he can do is provide the perfect example OF the Republican Party mentality. Hysterical.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yeah, Mike, I forgot about that one. An added giggle that's just a cherry on the top!

Poor Rap...he's so irrelevant all he can do is provide the perfect example OF the Republican Party mentality. Hysterical.




I wish it were the GOP example. But these bunch of cowards are so hell bent on keeping their elected seats and trying to be Democrat - lite, it's no wonder they don't have a gorram clue.

Much like you, Niki.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:09 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


The Republican Party is fragmented, leaderless, and near dead. Conservatism is gasping for air and clinging to life support. The liberals and godless progressives have the high ground and are running wild. But one thing history teaches us about American politics and culture is that nothing lasts forever. I may not live to see it, but the Restoration is coming.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:34 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


"I may not live to see it, but the Restoration is coming."

The 'Restoration' of what?

If you are talking about a 'Restoration' you apparently mean of some past values, values that oppose those of godless progressives and liberals. But those godless progressives and liberals aim to have a country where everyone gets a fair shake. Where government works for its citizens, not for international corporations. Where people can expect privacy from the government and from business. Where the planet won't be destroyed more than it already is. So, which of those godless progressive and liberal values do you oppose so much you wish to see a 'Restoration' of values from the past? And which past values do you wish to see restored? Old white male farts running the show? Women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? Niggers knowing their place? Which ones?

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:55 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Kwix,

Ironic indeed. They had an expert come in to tell them not to use the word "rape." Imagine, having to hire someone to give you common sense.

Sad news that there are such people in this world, and they are in government. Did you know that the Repubs manipulated the districting in various states so as to affect the outcome of the House. They gave it a name: Gerrymandering.

It came to my attention recently that this occurred this past election. Although democratic votes outnumbered those of republicans, they managed to fill the house with the GOP. Hence the stalemate, orchestrated by said party.

The will of the people has been compromised.

Curious isn't it?

SGG

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Even more ironic: They're holding their symposium on how to talk to black people at a former slave plantation. What an awesome way to show how much they've grown and how sensitive they are to minority issues!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


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Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:09 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Mr. Auraptor,

I am disappointed in you. It seems to me you have dipped deeply from the Kool-Aid trough of the GOP drinking fountain. What you wrote smacks of the Fox News mantra - "Thou shalt spake ill of the common folk, and of common sense"

By the way, aren't you one of the common folk? Or do I jump to conclusions.
I have received no such gifts. So please, pray tell, where would one go to collect. Since you seem to know everything, I figured you would know.


SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The Dems are giving minorities free goodies hand over fist. The GOP can not and should not even try to compete w/ the Left's voter pay off of the dumb masses. So yes, it's about communicating to the low - information voters that , in order to be treated like a full citizen, they'd better start living like one, instead of sucking off the govt teat and buying into the Dem's Nanny-state mantra.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "


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Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:20 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


T Party people in da house!!!!!

Bring it. If the plan is to Nuke two thirds of the world, then so be it.
History does have a way of repeating itself. It may not happen in my lifetime, but yes you are right.

Only thing, history and truth don't always quite agree.


SGG

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The Republican Party is fragmented, leaderless, and near dead. Conservatism is gasping for air and clinging to life support. The liberals and godless progressives have the high ground and are running wild. But one thing history teaches us about American politics and culture is that nothing lasts forever. I may not live to see it, but the Restoration is coming.


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Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:33 PM

CHRISISALL


I'm just so glad I don't have to work, or pay for my home or food. I like living a life of ease, getting everything handed to me by my Socialist welfare state government.....

Whoah, I dozed off there- had a nice dream too.
Too bad it's just that for most folk.
Work in the morning... good night!

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:51 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kwix,

Ironic indeed. They had an expert come in to tell them not to use the word "rape." Imagine, having to hire someone to give you common sense.




Hell, savor the irony of them telling their people to to use the word, but not telling them not to do the deed...

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Sad news that there are such people in this world, and they are in government. Did you know that the Repubs manipulated the districting in various states so as to affect the outcome of the House. They gave it a name: Gerrymandering.

It came to my attention recently that this occurred this past election. Although democratic votes outnumbered those of republicans, they managed to fill the house with the GOP. Hence the stalemate, orchestrated by said party.

The will of the people has been compromised.

Curious isn't it?



Oh, it's been going on pretty much since the nation was founded. No new tale to tell there.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm just so glad I don't have to work, or pay for my home or food. I like living a life of ease, getting everything handed to me by my Socialist welfare state government.....

Whoah, I dozed off there- had a nice dream too.
Too bad it's just that for most folk.
Work in the morning... good night!




Dammit - where the hell are MY gifts? I'm supposed to be getting all manner of freebies from Uncle Sugar, ain't I? Instead I get to pay in some $4000 in federal income taxes...





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:07 AM

BRENDA


Hi Niki,

Seems to me that I recall hearing in the election before this that the GOP were targeting American Indians who were going to vote. Telling them their polling station had moved and writing down license plate numbers as well.
So, I have no doubt that those dirty tricks were used this time round as well.

Blacks, Asians and Hispanics aren't the only ones the GOP goes after.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:27 AM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


And yet another thread where RWA's have not posted even one valid point.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:57 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Did you know that the Repubs manipulated the districting in various states so as to affect the outcome of the House. They gave it a name: Gerrymandering.

Shiny, doll, did you just discover this? It happened in the 2010 election, and has been the major reason each Republican out there vies to be more conservative than any other. They have NO fear of the American PEOPLE, only of who might come out of the woodwork to challenge them for their now-safe gerrymandered SEAT. That's what it's all been about; fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, guns, you name it. Even the moderate, or logical, Republicans in office know if they budge an INCH from the Tea Party line (because that's who's out to get them), they'll face opposition in their next PRIMARY. Screw the general, they're only afraid of the PRIMARY.

Then, too,
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It seems to me you have dipped deeply from the Kool-Aid trough of the GOP drinking fountain.
Haven't you been around for a while, or what? I skip right over Rap's posts for the most part, because they are ALWAYS predictable right-wing parroting, straight from right-wing talk radio and FauxNews. He's been doing that consistently for as long as I've been here; I sometimes think he doesn't even read posts, he just pops into a thread to spout some bullshit about "libs" and "Dems" and "Obama" that he just had fed to him. I don't know why you're disappointed...unless you're being sarcastic!

Brenda, yeah, the tactics you mentioned have been used in some states against ALL minorities, and far, far more. Florida is a great example. This past election,
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Former Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist sharply criticized Gov. Rick Scott (R) on Sunday for his refusal to extend early voting hours in the state as individuals waited for hours in lines at the polls.

A major reason there are such long lines at the polls is that last year, Florida's GOP-controlled legislature shortened the number of early voting days from 14 to eight, meaning all early voters are trying to cast their ballots in a shorter window. Previously, Floridians were allowed to vote on the Sunday before Election Day -- a day that typically had high traffic.


Why did they do it?
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Traditionally, Democratic voters are more likely to turn out to vote early. According to an analysis of 2008 election results in Ohio's Cuyahoga County by the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, African Americans use in-person early voting at approximately 26 times the rate of white voters.

On Election Day, there will be fewer polling precincts this year than in 2008 -- due to redistricting and budget constraints -- meaning traffic on Tuesday could also be a problem.


What happened?
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Not only were black folks angered and shocked at Republicans' blatant attempts at voter suppression in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, Texas and other states, they exacted revenge at the ballot box. Conservatives have valiantly tried to assert that voter ID laws, trimming the early voting days and even eliminating early voting on Sundays was a prudent and practical decision that had nothing to do with black, Hispanic and young voters, or anyone else.

But anyone with half a brain could see that the GOP was desperate to upend the coalition that proved so pivotal to Obama in 2008. All over the country GOP-led legislatures and governors rushed to pass voter ID laws, only to see federal courts reject a number of them that clearly weren't thought through properly.

In Florida, Republicans stopped allowing early voting on the Sunday before Election Day, with no explanation as to why. In 2008, black churches marched a massive number of congregants to the polls, led by their slogan, "Souls to the Polls." The GOP clearly didn't want to see that happen again.

Obstacles like these rekindled the feeling among many African-Americans of the tactics enacted during the civil rights movement to keep blacks from voting. So pastors, deacons and laymen pushed and prodded their members to cast absentee ballots, and pushed hard for their members to stand in lines that during the early voting period can last as long as eight hours.

Even when the networks were calling the election for President Obama on Tuesday, Florida residents were still standing in line to vote, some places in the rain, doing their part to push back. According to NAACP president and CEO Ben Jealous, the organization registered 432,000 voters, a 350% increase over 2008.

Black voters, and others, were sick and tired of the GOP trying to keep their votes from being cast by passing onerous laws, and they responded in an amazing way, matching the historic turnout of 2008, and bringing to life the civil rights anthem, "Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Around." ... the GOP should recognize and accept that its voter suppression tactics were not only roundly defeated, but were decimated. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinion/martin-black-vote/index.html


So now? As of a couple of days ago:
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Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) announced a new proposal Thursday to reform the state’s election laws, including a plan to increase the number of early voting days and locations.

The plan will allow supervisors of elections to offer more early voting, between eight and 14 days, and increase the number of early voting locations “to help reduce wait times, long lines, and to better convenience voters.” Scott also proposed reducing the length of ballots.

“Our ultimate goal must be to restore Floridians’ confidence in our election system,” Scott said in a statement. “We must continually push to make improvements, and I look forward to working with the Legislature on a bi-partisan bill to implement these reforms this session.”

During the November election, the governor was criticized nationwide for not extending Florida’s early voting after some early voters reported waiting for up to four hours to cast ballots.

His decision led to overwhelmed polling places on Election Day, where some voters in Miami-Dade County were forced to wait in lines for up to six hours. Voting in that county did not end until around 1:30 a.m -- hours after the president had been declared the projected winner.

Scott’s predecessor, Republican-turned-Democrat Charlie Crist, extended the number of early voting hours in 2008, but his effort was overturned in 2011 when Scott signed legislation passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature reducing the state’s early voting from 14 days to eight.

Shortly after the 2012 election, Scott stood by his decision not to extend early voting, denying that long lines at the polls might have discouraged voter turnout.

“Well I’m very comfortable that the right thing happened,” Scott said to reporters Nov. 8, two days after the election.

But now Scott, who is facing reelection in 2014, is distancing himself from the controversial election law he signed in 2011.

“It was not my bill,” Scott told members of the Legislative Black Caucus Tuesday. “The Legislature passed it. I didn’t have anything to do with passing it.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/rick-scott-voting_n_2497362.h
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"Wasn't me. I didn't do it...." It's to laugh.

Yes, Kiki; again, no surprise there.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:23 PM

BRENDA


Ugh, is all I have to say Niki after reading all of that about Florida. I think besides 2010 there were problems with Florida in 2006 as well.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:32 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Brenda, it's been a pretty steady thing in Florida and some other states (mostly in the South, of course!). I had a friend who'd moved from there to Illinois but still had friends in Florida, and they told her what was going on there during the Bush/Gore election...if you heard about it, the infamous one with the "hanging chads" in Florida. Some of the things they pulled that year would blow your mind (arresting people who tried to vote then turning them loose, closing polls with police barracading the entrance, closing ROADS to polls, and that's just the mild stuff)...and of course they got away with it that time, and the Supreme Court "gave" the election to Bush. Just imagine, if the right to vote had been protected for ALL Americans...we'd never have had Bush!

What a thought.

It was so bad in the past that now some states (again, mostly in the South) have to get permission from the federal government to change their voting laws at all. That's being contested right now, because Republicans say it's no longer necessary. Riiiiight...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 4:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well in respect to that: Consider this.

Despite all those dirty tricks, despite all the propaganda, gerrymandering and suppression, they still mostly LOSE.
Which means the opposition to them and their purile fucking STUPIDITY is so overwhelming, so massive, that even the best laid plans of these bastards can do no more than mitigate it.

Now that's a cheery thought, innit ?

-F

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Monday, January 21, 2013 7:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It HAS worked in the past, Frem, in many states and in many elections. Once again, I point to 2000--if Daddy hadn't stacked the Supremes and Junior hadn't benefitted from it, who knows? Remember they stopped the count mid-way.

And it worked just fine in the more distant past, in my opinion it only failed this time because it got so much press and people were aware of what was being done to exclude them, and it will work again in the future.

Good gracious, come to think of it, you're the LAST person I'd expect to say it doesn't work. I have no doubt you've seen it happen all around you numerous times, haven't you?

--Oh, wait, I see you said "mostly" lose. With that I agree (or sincerely hope so!).

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 10:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
--Oh, wait, I see you said "mostly" lose. With that I agree (or sincerely hope so!).


Yeah, that was my point - the tide has prettymuch turned, and they're slowly but surely sinking into a death spiral no matter WHAT they do.

Them fuckers are DOOMED, DOOOOOOMMMMED, and good riddance!

*Cue: Melodramatic Laughter*

-F

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Monday, January 21, 2013 12:04 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh ye of little imagination! I have full faith they'll come up with myriad other methods of voter suppression as time goes on, some of which no doubt won't get press coverage so will work just fine, thank you.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 12:19 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, Brenda, it's been a pretty steady thing in Florida and some other states (mostly in the South, of course!). I had a friend who'd moved from there to Illinois but still had friends in Florida, and they told her what was going on there during the Bush/Gore election...if you heard about it, the infamous one with the "hanging chads" in Florida. Some of the things they pulled that year would blow your mind (arresting people who tried to vote then turning them loose, closing polls with police barracading the entrance, closing ROADS to polls, and that's just the mild stuff)...and of course they got away with it that time, and the Supreme Court "gave" the election to Bush. Just imagine, if the right to vote had been protected for ALL Americans...we'd never have had Bush!

What a thought.

It was so bad in the past that now some states (again, mostly in the South) have to get permission from the federal government to change their voting laws at all. That's being contested right now, because Republicans say it's no longer necessary. Riiiiight...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.



Yes, I do remember the "hanging chads" and other things from Florida. Also remember the Supreme Court giving the election to Bush. That made all the news waves up here. And I think the most shocking. Many Canadians were angry that the electoral process was being subverted like it was.

sarcasm on>>And of course the Republicans are against the states having to go to the federal government to change their laws on voting. << sarcasm off.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 1:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Many Canadians were angry that the electoral process was being subverted like it was

You can well imagine how millions of US felt! Some on the right treat those of us who continue to be incensed at how Dubya stole the election as the equivalent of "truthers" or "birthers". I don't, I think we're quite valid in our anger.

You can, by the way, take the sarcasm out of
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And of course the Republicans are against the states having to go to the federal government to change their laws on voting

It's not sarcastic, it's TRUE, and the Republicans have been fighting it right out in the open. Ironically, it was just in the news (obviously because of their failure to suppress votes in the 2012 election):
Quote:

The Voting Rights Act forbids state laws that place a heavier burden on minority voters than on other members of the electorate. Additionally, Section 5 of the law requires many parts of the country to “preclear” new voting rules with DOJ or a federal court in order to ensure that they do not violate the Voting Rights Act’s protections for minority voters. The Supreme Court is currently considering a challenge to Section 5.

Last week, the state of Texas submitted an amicus brief calling up the justices to strike down this landmark voting rights law. Ironically, however, the brief does far more to explain why Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act is still necessary. Texas’ primary argument is that the nation’s most important voting rights law must be gutted because it prevents the state from enacting a law that suppresses the minority vote:
More at http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/08/1413981/texas-to-supreme-c
ourt-strike-down-the-voting-rights-act-so-that-we-can-suppress-the-vote/
]
Unfortunately (for them), as of just last week:
Quote:

Supreme Court Rejects Republican National Committee Attempt To End Anti-Voter Intimidation Order

The Supreme Court has turned down an effort by the Republican National Committee to end a 30-year-old court order aimed at preventing intimidation of minority voters.

The justices did not comment Monday in rejecting an appeal of lower court decisions that left the order in place at least until 2017.

The order stems from a lawsuit filed by Democrats in New Jersey in 1981 that objected to a "ballot security" program the RNC ran in minority neighborhoods.

Republicans said the order hampers efforts to combat voter fraud, but U.S. District Judge Dickinson Debevoise said voter intimidation remains a threat and preventing it outweighs the potential danger of fraud. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/supreme-court-voter-intimidat
ion_n_2471791.html


So you see, they're still at it...and probably always will be.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 2:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh ye of little imagination! I have full faith they'll come up with myriad other methods of voter suppression as time goes on, some of which no doubt won't get press coverage so will work just fine, thank you.




They're already hard at work on it. Virginia passed new gerrymandering today, allegedly. And several other states (Pennsyvania and Wisconsin among them) are trying to change the way they apportion electoral votes to give Republicans a better chance to win those states.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, January 21, 2013 5:36 PM

FREMDFIRMA



PA won't get too far, I have my hooks deep into some of the folk involved in redistricting on a personal level, and between the mess in Luzerne County and Youth Sports there, enough influence via local contacts to really bollocks up the works for them - ain't even that most of these people owe me big, although it helps, but THEY don't want to see these wackjobs in power either!

ESPECIALLY not as Luzerne County falls completely apart thanks in part to them having *been* in charge there, that mess went deeper than any media engine has even hinted at, all the way down to the court flunkies even, and on many, many more issues than known.

-Frem
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/corruption-runs-deep-in-nepa-1.126369
4

http://www.justice.gov/usao/pam/corruption.html

Believe me, the ass-chewing on this one is FAR from over.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


They must be doing it legislatively, yes? Because apportioning districts is, if I remember correctly, only done by the party in office when the census comes around.

Bastards. May they rot in hell.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:00 AM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Many Canadians were angry that the electoral process was being subverted like it was

You can well imagine how millions of US felt! Some on the right treat those of us who continue to be incensed at how Dubya stole the election as the equivalent of "truthers" or "birthers". I don't, I think we're quite valid in our anger.

We could up here and I think there were Canadians looking into what happened down there. Even started looking twice at our due process for elections here.

You can, by the way, take the sarcasm out of
Quote:

And of course the Republicans are against the states having to go to the federal government to change their laws on voting

It's not sarcastic, it's TRUE, and the Republicans have been fighting it right out in the open. Ironically, it was just in the news (obviously because of their failure to suppress votes in the 2012 election):
Quote:

The Voting Rights Act forbids state laws that place a heavier burden on minority voters than on other members of the electorate. Additionally, Section 5 of the law requires many parts of the country to “preclear” new voting rules with DOJ or a federal court in order to ensure that they do not violate the Voting Rights Act’s protections for minority voters. The Supreme Court is currently considering a challenge to Section 5.

Last week, the state of Texas submitted an amicus brief calling up the justices to strike down this landmark voting rights law. Ironically, however, the brief does far more to explain why Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act is still necessary. Texas’ primary argument is that the nation’s most important voting rights law must be gutted because it prevents the state from enacting a law that suppresses the minority vote:
More at http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/08/1413981/texas-to-supreme-c
ourt-strike-down-the-voting-rights-act-so-that-we-can-suppress-the-vote/
]
Unfortunately (for them), as of just last week:
Quote:

Supreme Court Rejects Republican National Committee Attempt To End Anti-Voter Intimidation Order

The Supreme Court has turned down an effort by the Republican National Committee to end a 30-year-old court order aimed at preventing intimidation of minority voters.

The justices did not comment Monday in rejecting an appeal of lower court decisions that left the order in place at least until 2017.

The order stems from a lawsuit filed by Democrats in New Jersey in 1981 that objected to a "ballot security" program the RNC ran in minority neighborhoods.

Republicans said the order hampers efforts to combat voter fraud, but U.S. District Judge Dickinson Debevoise said voter intimidation remains a threat and preventing it outweighs the potential danger of fraud. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/supreme-court-voter-intimidat
ion_n_2471791.html


So you see, they're still at it...and probably always will be.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.



I am glad to hear that the Supreme court is getting its head out of its ass. They are supposed to be unbiased and yes I know that Bush loaded it in his favour when he was President.

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