REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Sandy

POSTED BY: CAVETROLL
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:47
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 6323
PAGE 1 of 2

Friday, October 26, 2012 5:36 AM

CAVETROLL


This looks pretty serious for the folks in the Mid Atlantic and New England. Any other board members in the bullseye, be careful and be safe!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/hurrican
e-sandy-may-be-unprecedented-in-east-coast-storm-history/2012/10/26/4f6660e6-1f6e-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html


Quote:

With computer models locked in on the eventuality of a punishing blow for East Coast from Hurricane Sandy (with the latest model runs favoring the northern mid-Atlantic), analyses suggest this storm may be unlike anything the region has ever experienced.

Model simulations have consistently simulated minimum pressures below 950 mb, which would be the lowest on record in many areas.

“MODELS SHOW PRESSURE WELL BEYOND WHAT HAS EVER BEEN OBSERVED NEAR THE NJ/NY COAST (EVEN EXCEEDING THE 1938 LONG ISLAND EXPRESS [HURRICANE])”, writes NOAA’s Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (HPC).

Connecticut meteorologist Ryan Hanrahan noted there has only been one tropical storm with the pressure below 960 mb in the last 60 years in the Northeast.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, October 26, 2012 7:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


This Sandy could be the biggest thing to hit Asbury Park since Springsteen.



Good luck, be safe, and batten down the hatches.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:45 PM

MAL4PREZ


I'm ready. Got ice, got flashlight, got batteries, got food and beverage.

I admit, I may do some fool hardy things like visit the shoreline often to see if this 10 foot surge really materializes. If it does, we're in trouble. I jogged along the beach today (LI Sound about 20 miles north of NYC) and pictured 10 feet of water. Katrina was nothing to that.

I feel awful for the poor people who flooded out last fall. They have to know it's on the way again.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:02 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Take care.

You might want to get more canned food in case Romney wins... ;)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I admit, I may do some fool hardy things like visit the shoreline often to see if this 10 foot surge really materializes."

From experience, let me suggest two items:

1) Every now and again an extra large wave easily 10x the height of the others may come by, though you may not see it cresting until fairly close to shore. Keep an eye out for any and if you see one coming it may be a good idea to turn to high ground and run, and ...
2) Don't put yourself in any spot where there's a barrier between you and high ground.

Other than that, I hope the flooding isn't bad.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:09 PM

BYTEMITE


Be careful. I know a number of browncoats that live on the east coast and in New York state.

Might even hit Michigan, though there won't be a surge there and I figure Frem might just punch the blizzard in the face.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:38 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I figure Frem might just punch the blizzard in the face.

LOL! I could totally see that.

I grew up in the land of tornadoes. I know how to storm chase. I also know the high spots where I can watch the chaos of the sea from afar. Of course, if the wind is swirling and the branches are falling, I'm going no where.

This is pretty amazing, though. I have a hobby of watching storm patterns all through the season, and I've never seen anything like this. The extent of the predicted wind gusts for tomorrow night and Tuesday are insane.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How do you feel about being our reporter on the storm? I love extreme weather (except when a tornado passed over head - it felt ominous), and it's one of the things I miss most about living here on the west coast.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:07 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
How do you feel about being our reporter on the storm? I love extreme weather (except when a tornado passed over head - it felt ominous), and it's one of the things I miss most about living here on the west coast.

I'm in, though the center of it will be down in NJ and thereabouts. I'm not sure what there will be to see around here.

I've got one picture of the preparation: the landlord next door finally figured that the risk of lawsuit was high enough that he better get rid of a very big very dead tree. So this morning the crew was frantically throwing down branches in that little gap between houses while the wind began to swirl:


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Aw, COOL! and THANKS!

Those are the kinds of details I remember about preparing for a major storm. Candles. Matches. Water. Blankets. Canned goods. Haul everything up off the basement floor. Tie down the doghouse. Check the trees for damage. Check the roof for loose shingles. Then wait.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 12:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"I figure Frem might just punch the blizzard in the face."

LMAO................ha ha ha!!!

You know, you're right!


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 12:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Me.........in NYC, surrounded by water. Not a good feeling, just waiting for Sandy to pay us a visit.

For some reason though, I thought for sure Obama would get the blame for this.
Just one more thing Romney would pile on to the list of fictional myth-like phenomenom................

This Just In: Obama causes Major Storm of the Century to make Historic Left Turn - Socialist European Views to Blame (get it, left turn) Ha, I kill me.


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 3:14 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Me.........in NYC, surrounded by water. Not a good feeling, just waiting for Sandy to pay us a visit.



Are you near water? Keep us up to date on what's happening there. If that flood surge hits, it's going to be a nightmare. I hope the evacuations will be effective in keeping people safe, but there's nothing to be done for the infrastructure. All that stuff under city - power, plumbing, subway, etc... Could be a long time before it's fixed.

Gusty winds this morning, but not much rain. I actually have an important of work to finish so I'm going to the coffee shop to make myself focus. I'll see how many more places have boarded up over night, maybe drive by the beach.

About the blame: I cringe every time somebody gets into "God's sending a message to ____" Really, people? Sheesh. Still, Obama better be all over the aftermath of this. He pulls a GWB/Katrina and he's out of office.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 4:29 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Here just south of D.C. we've just got rain so far, but the winds are expected to pick up to 40mph by this afternoon, and up to 70mph tonight, with 5 to 10 inches of rain. Federal government offices are closed, and most public transportation is shut down. Tomorrow is gonna be the interesting day, as the ground gets soaked and trees start falling. Fortunately, our power lines are buried, so we only lose power if the main lines go down, and usually have it back on pretty quick.

We already have plans in place in case of a power outage to drink all the beer in the fridge before it gets warm.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 4:49 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
We already have plans in place in case of a power outage to drink all the beer in the fridge before it gets warm.

Ha! My plan involves the pint and a half of Ben & Jerry's peanut brittle ice cream in my freezer. Man, it'd be a shame to have to scarf down all that goodness, but I gotta do what I gotta do. Of course, I also have a very nice bottle of rum my neighbors brought me from Trinidad when I took care of their cat once...

I just mailed homework assignments out to all my students. Bwahahahaha!!

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 5:19 AM

BYTEMITE


Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these teachers from the obligations of the pursuit of knowledge.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 5:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I moved to So. Florida in 1983. Since then I've had about 250 hurricanes heading my way that I had to prepare for. Amazingly, only two have made direct hits on Ft. Lauderdale. The event itself is very scary, but the aftermath is the real horror show; no power, no water, nothing to do but sweat for a week or two. If you live where this thing is going to hit be ready with supplies including lots of batteries, water, cash, food, and gas in your car.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 6:14 AM

MAL4PREZ


It's here. It's windy, and the rain is blowing. Not near as bad as it must be down in southern Jersey and Delaware, though.

I jog along this road. This is not high tide, the storm's not here yet, and it's worse than Irene:


This is near the beach, which is behind the buildings to the right. Again, worse than Irene already. I walked through this stretch during Irene. It was slightly lower than this.


Houses on either side of this street had flooded basements during Irene, with slightly less water than this in the street. These poor people. It's going to be worse this time:


I could have gotten some spectacular pictures near the beach if I'd been 30 seconds earlier. The police arrived and turned people back just as I was crossing the street. Bummer. But I understand.

I'll try to revisit the spot in that first picture later, but I imagine it's also been closed off by now. Imagine - there's going to another 5-10 feet of water on top of all that. The road continues down a spit of road with several low lying houses. Yikes!

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 6:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Mitt Romney's plan:





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 7:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks! for posting the pictures. I wish I had photos of some of the flooding back east a couple of years ago. When you stand on a bridge that's normally 25 feet up off the water, and the water is touching the base of the bridge and running at about 35mph - it's awesome, and scary.

What camera do you have? Those pictures are pretty good for landscapes.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 7:59 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Thanks! for posting the pictures. I wish I had photos of some of the flooding back east a couple of years ago. When you stand on a bridge that's normally 25 feet up off the water, and the water is touching the base of the bridge and running at about 35mph - it's awesome, and scary.

What camera do you have? Those pictures are pretty good for landscapes.


That's my new ipad. They do take good pictures, right? Unfortunately, not in the rain!

That flood sounds scary. 25 feet? Where was that?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 8:06 AM

STORYMARK


Just saw pics of some streets in NYC that are flooded. Trippy.

Im suddenly very glad I live in a high desert region.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 8:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Western New York State. It was after a winter that left a lot of snow on the ground and ice in the waterways, then there was a warm spell with heavy rain. A normally placid creek (that I giggle a little to think people here would call a river) became a raging torrent, carrying van-sized chunks of ice and full-grown tree trunks, grinding them under the bridge as they went through. It was awesome, and scary. Of COURSE I had to be a lookey-loo!

Ipad, hunh. Maybe I need to come up in technology a bit.

This is not the exact location (it's somewhat upstream of where I was) and obviously not flooded, but this gives you an idea of the what the creek looks likes -


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 8:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The HMS Bounty has been lost to the storm, sinking off the coast of Cape Hatteras. 16 crew were rescued, two are still missing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tall-ship-hms-bounty-sinks-off-nc-
coast-two-still-missing/2012/10/29/d276daf8-21d8-11e2-8448-81b1ce7d6978_story.html


http://www.tallshipbounty.org/







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 9:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Just saw that they've lost half of the historic fishing pier at Ocean City, MD, too. And a crane collapsed in Manhattan in the high winds.

Sandy's going to take her toll, it seems. Let's hope the toll's not going to be in blood.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 9:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Atlantic City

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 9:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Live MSNBC news feed streaming on your computer:

http://blog.livenewschat.tv/rockinroosters/


They have other news feeds, too, including Fox if I'm not mistaken.

I tend to put it on when there's breaking news while I'm at work - I have my laptop hooked up to the warehouse stereo, so I can hear live news while I work.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 9:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I saw NJ Gov. Chris Christie on TV this morning, and I don't remember his exact words, but I found his candor refreshing this time around. He said something to the effect of "If you live on the barrier islands, offshore, and you think you're going to ride this storm out, you're an idiot. Get off the islands, get inland, get to shelter, don't be stupid."

It struck me as a very "New Joisey" way of saying it, and one that will likely resonate with some of the people who need to hear it.

Good job, Governor. You should be commended for trying to keep people safe.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 9:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just saw that they've lost half of the historic fishing pier at Ocean City, MD, too. And a crane collapsed in Manhattan in the high winds.

Sandy's going to take her toll, it seems. Let's hope the toll's not going to be in blood.





ETA: Crane is a "partial collapse" at a 90-story residential high-rise called "One 57" at 157 57th Avenue, New York City (not Manhattan).

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 12:19 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Stay safe fellow browncoats

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 3:53 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Looks like 5 dead so far, :( Pretty scary stuff, thanks to Mal4, Shinyguy, and Geezer for giving us reports, and thanks for the pictures Mal4. We haven't heard from DreamTrove yet but the storm will hit upstate NY sooner or later, here's to all of you staying safe and being okay, and anyone I forgot or who lurks who is from this side of the country I hope you are safe too.

Some of the folk at the day center I help at on Mon.s were pretty concerned, we tried to assure them that thanks to modern technology, sattelite etc. people have had lots of warning so they can prepare.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, October 29, 2012 5:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Con Ed plant explosion - 14th & FDR, NYC.




Lower Manhattan is now in darkness.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:08 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Looks like we were pretty lucky here. No damage in the neighborhood, and the power stayed on aside from a few flickers. Buried electrical service rules. Had close to 6" of rain since Sunday night, and wind gusts to 59 mph, but haven't seen any trees down, etc. in a quick walk around. Will have to check on the local stream valley park to see if my running trail washed away again like it did after Tropical Storm Lee.

From the news, the effect on metro D.C. looks like the usual flooding in low areas, and some trees down throughout the region. Power is out to 300,000+. One person killed by a falling tree in Maryland. Schools and the Feds closed today.

Appears the Maryland and Delaware coasts and Jersey and New York got the worst, being on the north side of the storm with higher winds.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:34 AM

MAL4PREZ


I lost power at about 3 yesterday afternoon. At the height of things, about 7 pm, I decided to go out and see what it was like. Unwise? Hmm. When I got back home I wrote a four page journal of my 10 minute walk. I'll post it sometime.

Long story short, this morning I took this picture:


I was standing at about the same spot last night when this tree fell. Red and green sparks flew from the cable. It wasn't the only massive tree that went down while I was out and about. (Please note the blue Hurricane Evacuation Route sign...)

Things like this are commonplace today:








There are so many that I quit photographing them. All the ones above are on power lines. In fact, two of those pictures have snapped utility poles. Wires are down all over the place, cars and people just passing by/under them. Somehow, though, there were no direct hits on houses in my neighborhood, and only one dented car that I saw.

Then there's the floating benches and lamps:


That used to be part of this boardwalk:


And the beach is no longer on the beach. It washed over what used to be a field and a road:




This was just a walk around my immediate neighborhood this morning. Really, several trees are down each block. It's nuts. I'm sure I won't have power again for some time. Luckily, the pub on the corner has power, so I have a source for burgers and cold brew.

And now to catch up on other news...

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Did you notice you caught part of a rainbow in that last photo?

I cringe when I see big trees down. Other than that it looks an expensive and tedious mess, but not Katrina-level. I'm glad you're safe and have some tasty plans for the next few days.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:06 AM

BYTEMITE


I've been reading about this storm. I knew it was going to be bad, but the shut down of the New York subway and Stock Exchange is kinda scary.

Hopefully there hasn't been looting. A New York Katrina would almost be a sign of the end times.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:51 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Over on CNN.com this morning, they've got *G*I*A*N*T* ( for them, anyway) scare headlines: "Unbelievable destruction!"


E-T-A: I got the headline wrong. It was "Unthinkable Devastation". I stand by the rest of my post.

C'mon, media people: No it isn't. It's a mess, but it's a BIG storm, with high winds and a lot of water. Some stuff got flooded. Some stuff got damaged, in a small way, by high winds and flying debris. A crane fell over. A lot of power lines got blown down, there are a lot of outages, a lot of stuff got disrupted, and things are gonna be inconvenient for a while. There's gonna be a lot of cleanup, and a lot of work restoring power. 20 something people died. OK, that's tragic, but more folks than that get killed every holiday weekend, in traffic accidents. In Hurricane Andrew, the company I was working for lost a ship, with crew of 33, all drowned.

Get real, Media. Unbelievable would be another World Trade Center collapse, a Pearl Harbor military attack, a Dresden firebombing or nuke strike. Or another Fukushima, or major earthquake.

This is gonna be a mess, a lot of hard work to clean up and a large ammount of inconvenience. So let's buckle down, roll up our sleeves, and get to work to fix it up. But spare us the hyperbole.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:28 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


Here's hoping all you guys are safe and well. my best wishes to all of you.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:53 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Thanks for the updates and the pics. Glad people are safe.

Any one heard from Frem. He's in the vicinity of the storm. Any one else we should be checking on?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:43 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


Maybe he's got no power.Plain and simple.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:44 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


Maybe he's got no power.Plain and simple.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I've been reading about this storm. I knew it was going to be bad, but the shut down of the New York subway and Stock Exchange is kinda scary.

Hopefully there hasn't been looting. A New York Katrina would almost be a sign of the end times.




Haven't heard about any looting. Live shots of the Times Square area look pretty spooky today - it looks desolate, with just a few vehicles moving, nothing like a normal weekday.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


36 dead and climbing.

Peacekeeper, MI isn't too close to New York, but the storm has made it out that way now, lots of waves in Lake MI, hopefully Frem will let us know he and Wendy are okay.

NewOld, I think you're being a little harsh, I'm sure that the people in the storm are feeling like its a big thing for them. I agree that the media sensationalizes too much, but I'm sure people are feeling overwhelmed right now. We're lucky on the West coast that we don't have as big of storms. A few years back my coast had a storm that was almost hurricane sized, tore off the roofs of some buildings, tore apart some stuff, left people without power for weeks. But it wasn't as bad as this thing is.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sorry, but in my opinion and from what I'm seeing, it IS a big thing. The damage is awesome to see. They're trying to rescue people from a couple of towns that thought they were way away from the danger zone so weren't evacuated.

Of course the media makes more of everything than it really is, that's how they sell their "product". But I don't think they had to do a whole lot of exaggerating in this case.
Quote:

The storm caused the worst damage in the 108-year history of the city's subway system, and there was no indication of when the largest U.S. transit system would be rolling again.

"This was a devastating storm, maybe the worst that we have ever experienced," New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

A hoarse-voiced New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie gave bleak news at a morning news conference: Seaside rail lines washed away. Most major tunnels and bridges in New York were closed. No safe place on the state's barrier islands for him to land. Parts of the coast still under water.

"The level of devastation at the Jersey Shore is unthinkable," he said. "Houses are moved off their foundations, there are houses in the middle of route 35."

The governor went on to say, "It is beyond anything I thought I'd ever see...It is a devastating sight right now."

Most major tunnels and bridges in New York were closed. (Think about that!)

Trading at the New York Stock Exchange was canceled again Tuesday after the storm sent a nearly 14-foot (4.27-meter) surge of seawater, a record, coursing over its seawalls and highways and into low-lying streets. The water inundated tunnels, subway stations and the electrical system that powers Wall Street and sent hospital patients and tourists scrambling for safety. Skyscrapers swayed and creaked in winds that partially toppled a crane 74 stories above Midtown. A large tanker ship ran aground on the city's Staten Island.

A fire raged in a neighborhood Tuesday morning in the borough of Queens, near the Atlantic Ocean, with 80 to 100 homes destroyed but no deaths reported.

"This will be one for the record books," said John Miksad, senior vice president for electric operations at Consolidated Edison, which had more than 670,000 customers without power in and around New York City.

In New Jersey, where the superstorm came ashore, Sandy cut off barrier islands, swept houses from their foundations and washed amusement pier rides into the ocean. It also wrecked several boardwalks up and down the coast, tearing away a section of Atlantic City's world-famous promenade. Atlantic City's 12 waterfront casinos came through largely unscathed.

A huge swell of water swept over the small town of Moonachie, and authorities struggled to rescue about 800 people, some of them living in a trailer park. Police and fire officials used boats to try to reach the stranded.

The massive storm reached well into the Midwest with heavy rain and snow. Chicago officials warned residents to stay away from the Lake Michigan shore as the city prepared for winds of up to 60 mph (96 kph) and waves exceeding 24 feet (7.2 meters) well into Wednesday.

As Hurricane Sandy closed in on the Northeast, it converged with a cold-weather system that turned it into a monstrous hybrid of rain and high winds -- even bringing snow in West Virginia and other mountainous areas inland.

While the hurricane's 90 mph (144 kph) winds registered as only a Category 1 on a scale of five, it packed "astoundingly low" barometric pressure, giving it terrific energy to push water inland, said Kerry Emanuel, a professor of meteorology at MIT.

New York University's Tisch Hospital was forced to evacuate 200 patients after its backup generator failed. NYU Medical Dean Robert Grossman said patients -- among them 20 babies from the neonatal intensive care unit who were on battery-powered respirators -- had to be carried down staircases and to dozens of ambulances waiting to take them to other hospitals.


If that's not bad enough for you, I can't imagine what would be.

My heart goes out to all those people, and my hopes that all you Browncoats are safe and remain so.

This is not a storm. This is THREE storms, sort of--it's a convergence of Sandy with a system known as a mid-latitude trough from the west, then uniting with a cold-weather system moving south from Canada. It's a "perfect storm" scenario--three large weather systems converging.

As of a couple of hours ago:
Quote:

The storm reached as far inland as Ohio. Parts of West Virginia were buried under 3 feet (1 meter) of drifting snow from the storm.

"To describe it as looking like pictures we've seen of the end of World War Two is not overstating it. The area was completely leveled. Chimneys and foundations were all that was left of many of these homes," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said after touring the area.

One disaster modeling company said on Tuesday that Sandy may have caused up to $15 billion in insured losses. That would make it the third-costliest hurricane on record, behind hurricanes Katrina, which laid waste to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast in 2005, and Andrew, which devastated parts of Florida in 1992.

That figure did not take into account residential flood losses or flooding of tunnels and subways, meaning ultimate insurance claims could rise higher still.

"There are boats in the street five blocks from the ocean," said evacuee Peter Sandomeno, one of the owners of the Broadway Court Motel in Point Pleasant Beach, New Jersey. "That's the worst storm I've ever seen, and I've been there for 11 years."

Sandy, which was especially imposing because of its wide-ranging winds, brought a record storm surge of almost 14 feet to downtown Manhattan, well above the previous record of 10 feet during Hurricane Donna in 1960, the National Weather Service said.

Water poured into the subway tunnels under New York City. Bloomberg said the subway system, which normally carries over 5 million people each weekday, would likely be closed for four or five days.

"Hitting at high tide, the strongest surge and the strongest winds all hit at the worst possible time," said Jeffrey Tongue, a meteorologist for the weather service in Brookhaven, New York.

Hurricane-force winds as high as 90 miles per hour (145 km per hour) were recorded, he said. "Hopefully it's a once-in-a-lifetime storm," Tongue said.

The flooding hampered efforts to fight a massive fire that destroyed more than 80 homes in Breezy Point, a private beach community on the Rockaway barrier island in the New York City borough of Queens.

New York University's Tisch hospital was forced to evacuate more than 200 patients, among them babies on respirators in the neonatal intensive care unit, when the backup generator failed.

Besides the deaths in New York City, others were reported in New York state, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia. Toronto police also recorded one death - a woman hit by flying debris. Sandy killed 69 people in the Caribbean last week.

As Sandy converged with a cold weather system, blizzard warnings were in effect for West Virginia, western Maryland, eastern Tennessee, eastern Kentucky and western North Carolina.

Garrett County in Maryland had as much as 20 inches of heavy, icy snow that knocked out power to almost three-quarters of the area's 23,000 customers.

"It's the biggest (October snowstorm) that I remember and I've been here 25 years," said area resident Richard Hill, who planned to huddle by his wood stove.
More at http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/us-storm-sandy-hurricane-idU
SBRE89N16J20121030
]
Sorry Newold, but I don't think it's hyperbole. I don't think they need to dream up or dramatize anything; what we're seeing says it all. Maybe you don't realize across the Pond just how big New York AND ITS SURROUNDING AREAS are. Or the distance from our East Coast to Ohio, or how MUCH of the East Coast has been involved. Check it out:



See Ohio, and how far inland it is? It's 470 miles from New York to Ohio. Go back and read what's going on in Ohio. How wide is England? It's about 500 kilometers (300 mi.). See the distance from Massachussets to North Caronia? It's 712 MILES. Compare that to the U.K.: Lands End - north of Shetlands = about 1,100 km. (765 miles). In other words, it would pretty much cover your little island, and then some. Now go back and read the devastation WITHIN that area, and tell me again that it's just a "big storm". Perspective, my man, perspective.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Google "Hurricane Sandy" images and see what you think. A sampling:

23 hours ago:

(and yes, the shark is fake, but the rest is not)

New York:


Massachussetts:


New York subway station


Milford, Connecticut:


Whitehall St. subway station in lower Manhattan


Brighton Beach:


Breezy Point, Queens:


Nag's Head, North Carolina:


That's a BRIDGE over the FDR freeway


Virginia Beach, Virginia:


Brooklyn Battery TUNNEL


and later on:


Philadelphia:


Atlantic City, New Jersey (that WAS a pier):


North Carolina (that's sea foam):


West Virginia:


Cape May, New Jersey:


New York's West Side:


North Branford, Connecticut:


New York's Ground Zero construction site:


Delaware:


New York financial district parking garage:


Ocean City, Maryland:


East Tennessee:

the storm brought snow to the East Tennessee mountains Monday. Ten inches were on the ground shortly
before 5 p.m. in Newfound Gap, which sits at about 5,000 feet in elevation on the North Carolina border.

Lindenhurst, New York:


Kennebunk, Maine:


Collapsed street, New York:


Ocean City, Maryland:


Parking lot, East Village:


La Guardia Airport runway:


Coney Island, completely under water:


DUMBO ("Down Under Manhattan Bridge Overpass):


Staten Island:


Lake Erie:


Snow in Coffee Ridge, Tennessee; Southwest Virginia; Bellington & Elkins, West Virginia:
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/sandy-snowy-side-201210
30

Blizzard conditions slammed West Virginia and Maryland overnight Tuesday, shutting down interstates
and knocking out power. Authorities closed 45 miles of Interstate 68 because of little or no
visibility and abandoned cars.

Record Snowiest October Days
•Elkins, W.V.: 7" (previous record was Halloween, 1917)
•Bluefield, W.V. - 4.7" )

Yup, just a "big storm". (That took ages, but I wanted you to get the "whole" picture. Sorry
about the sizing, I'm not gonna resize 'em all, but I blocked the test so you should be able to read it.)

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thanks Mal for your good words, I do appreciate it. When all is said and done, we are all in this together. Could happen anytime.

I'm about 4-5 miles from LaGuardia Airport, but apparently in my area we are above sea level. My neighborhood got hit with a lot of wind, but little in the way of rain. But in a different part of Queens, Breezy Point, they got a triple whammy - flood waters, wind and fire. Over 100 homes were burned to the ground. It looked like a section of London during the bombing there in WWII. A electrical fire started from the power lines and the wind swept it across an entire block where the fire took place.

What made it worse was that these were the homes of many firefighters and police (predominantly Irish-American section of Queens). It was depressingly sad to see. Miraculously, so far, no fatalities. Near where my niece lives the river overflowed into her apartment building, but they only experienced some minor water damage. Also no power outages by her. But downtown suffered
major blackouts; last time I checked, there were 750,000 homes and businesses without power.

Good news: But like 9/11 the people came out to help their neighbors. I am proud of my fellow New Yorkers. Thanks, once again, for your positive thoughts everyone - Browncoats are the shiniest!


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:53 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Gee Geezer, so you're the one hogging all the beer. My son went to a blackout party in Jersey City, although his section was spared, others in the area did not fare as well.

Still though, news said that this storm was historically massive - over 1500 miles from end to end. And they say that this seems to be the new norm.

Not good, not good at all.


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:04 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


One thing that kinda surprised me: Gov. Christie took the high road and did not politicize the storm in any way. He pretty much said "To hell with politics at a time like this" and he said positive things about Obama.

I could see why people voted for him. He speaks his mind. I may not like him, but this was not a time to bring politics into the equation. So I say bravo, it took balls to stand up and do the right thing (in light of what's at stake for his party).

So good on ya' Gov. Christie (OMG I didn't burst into flames!!! ;)


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:15 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Kwix, there was mention of that in the news today, but, so far, everyone has been cool and helping one another. Like I said, like 9/11, everyone pitching in and doing the right thing.

I think everyone is preoccupied just trying to keep their families safe. So far, no looting. The city was a ghost town for the last 2 days. Tomorrow, Wednesday, buses will begin to run, bridges are open, but the tunnels will be closed for the next several days and perhaps up to a week, including the subways. The president is sending a team to help clear out the tunnels, well they'll be teaching NY crews how.

My job will be open tomorrow, but I was told only travel if it is safe. I told my supervisor "Are you serious?" I almost wanted to record that, there's a first time for everything. The mother of all storms deserves an iconic response............lol.


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Thu, March 28, 2024 14:12 - 3411 posts
Well... He was no longer useful to the DNC or the Ukraine Money Laundering Scheme... So justice was served
Thu, March 28, 2024 12:44 - 1 posts
Elections; 2024
Thu, March 28, 2024 11:18 - 2071 posts
BUILD BACK BETTER!
Thu, March 28, 2024 11:16 - 6 posts
Salon: NBC's Ronna blunder: A failed attempt to appeal to MAGA voters — except they hate her too
Thu, March 28, 2024 07:04 - 1 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thu, March 28, 2024 05:27 - 6154 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, March 27, 2024 23:21 - 987 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Wed, March 27, 2024 15:03 - 824 posts
NBC News: Behind the scenes, Biden has grown angry and anxious about re-election effort
Wed, March 27, 2024 14:58 - 2 posts
RFK Jr. Destroys His Candidacy With VP Pick?
Wed, March 27, 2024 11:59 - 16 posts
Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility
Wed, March 27, 2024 10:57 - 49 posts
Ha. Haha! HAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!
Tue, March 26, 2024 21:26 - 1 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL