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Romney on Israel/Palestine

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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Another thing that came out of his remarks to his wealthy donors, regarding Israel and Palestine:
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"I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard," Romney is shown saying. "One is the one which I've had for some time, which is that the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace, and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish."

Romney goes on to describe the obstacles he sees toward developing a so-called "two state solution" that would establish an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. He cites problems of geography, including the proximity to Tel Aviv of a potential border between the two states, as preventing any real progression toward the two states.

"These are problems-these are very hard to solve, all right?" Romney says on the tape. "And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say, 'There's just no way.'"

His role as president, Romney says, would be to "move things along the best way you can."

"You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem," he concludes. "We kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it.

Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the executive committee of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, called Romney's comments "dangerous" Tuesday.

"He seems to think of himself as a mind reader since he claims to know what Palestinian intentions are," Ashrawi said. "It seems to me it is about time that he stops pandering to the Israeli lobby and funders by selling out Palestinian rights and by destroying the chances of peace in the region. Such statements are dangerous and could be irreparable damage to American credability and standings not just in the Middle East but throughout the world," Ashrawi added.

In public, Romney has declared support for the two-state solution: "The decision as to where the borders would be, as we move to a two-state solution, which I support. I hope that's a process which is ongoing and ultimately successful."

At a CNN-sponsored debate in Florida in January, however, Romney used terms similar to those used at the fund-raiser to address the notion of a two-state solution.

"There are some people who say, should we have a two-state solution? And the Israelis would be happy to have a two-state solution. It's the Palestinians who don't want a two-state solution."

Romney said. The debate was held in the heat of the GOP primaries.

Romney continued: "The best way to have peace in the Middle East is not for us to vacillate and to appease, but is to say, 'We stand with our friend Israel. We are committed to a Jewish state in Israel. We will not have an inch of difference between ourselves and our ally, Israel.'"

The tapes revealed Tuesday are the latest in a cache of material given to Mother Jones showing Romney speaking candidly to supporters at a fund-raiser. Appearing on MSNBC late Monday night, the author of the Mother Jones article, David Corn, said the event took place May 17 in Boca Raton, Florida, at the home of Sun Capital executive Marc Leder. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/18/in-new-tape-romney-cas
ts-doubt-on-peace-in-israel/?hpt=hp_t1

So it's nothing really new, but quite telling in its candor. Kinda indicates how he'd act if he were elected, and his mindset that Palestinians don't WANT peace shows how brainwashed he is.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:07 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Well, it's what we always suspected was the secret official GOP position: 'Preserve the status quo!'. It's good to hear it stated clearly and out loud for once.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:40 AM

HKCAVALIER


It's morbidly fascinating to me that a major political party would openly advocate constant warfare. NEVER do these clowns talk about Isreal winning the gorram war. That has never been the intention. I mean, actually winning a war would be a path to peace and they don't even want that. How the fuck can you call yourself someone's ally when you never want them to know peace?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:56 PM

KWICKO

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It's even funnier when you consider how critical he's been of Obama's dealings with the issue. Romney has claimed that Obama is "leading from behind" on the mideast and Israel, and then it comes out that his solution is to "kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it."


I guess that would qualify as leading by not showing up.



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Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee, "leading by not showing up"...good one. The ones that got me (obviously, by underlining them) is his apparent believe that "Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace" and "Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes". Is he just parroting talking points, or is he actually stupid enough to BELIEVE that?? Yeah, sure, the Palestinians want to go on living the way they are, essentially in an Israeli-made ghetto!

Makes me


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Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


How about some fact checking on his statements?
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Romney, answering a question from the audience, said, “The Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish.”

He went on: “I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say there’s just no way.”

The previous sentence doesn’t track very smoothly, but you get the point. Romney was endorsing the hard line articulated by former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who said “the Arabs are the same Arabs and the sea is the same sea” -- which is to say, the Arabs are unswervingly committed to drowning the Jews in the Mediterranean.

What, then, should American policy be? Romney said the best we can hope for is “some degree of stability,” while recognizing that the problem will remain unsolved. “We live with that in China and Taiwan,” he said. “All right, we have a potentially volatile situation, but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it. We don’t go to war to try and resolve it imminently.”

So where is Romney wrong, and where is he right?

He is wrong to speak of “the Palestinians” as a single entity. He obviously knows that the Palestinians are divided between two main factions: the self-styled moderates of Fatah, which dominates the Palestinian Authority of the West Bank; and Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian wing, which rules the Gaza Strip.

The West Bank and the Gaza Strip would together constitute the state of Palestine as currently envisioned by international peace processors, but the two parties are waging an intermittent civil war, and have radically different visions about the nature, purpose and size of their as-yet unborn state. The Palestinian Authority is committed, it says, to a two-state solution. Hamas is committed, it says, to the destruction of Israel.

There is a third important group in the mix: Palestinian refugees, and descendants of refugees, who live in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and other countries of the Middle East. Many of these refugees tend to be more radical than the Palestinian Authority but aren’t necessarily affiliated with Hamas.

But he neglected to mention another relevant fact: Palestinian leaders aren’t the only ones unwilling to move toward meaningful negotiations. The government of Israel, under the leadership of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has for three years shown no interest in anything other than maintaining the status quo.

The continued construction of settlements on the West Bank, approved by the Netanyahu government, is meant to thwart the emergence of a Palestinian state. New pockets of Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem are meant to deny Palestinians a capital in the Arab section of the city. The Netanyahu government has said it endorses the idea of a two-state solution, but the Palestinian state it envisions is a nonviably small one surrounded by Jewish settlements.

Netanyahu is a smart man, and he knows that no Palestinian leader, even the most moderate one imaginable, would ever accede to a state that adds up to less than 100 percent of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. But Netanyahu is also a political survivor, and he is playing to a base that won’t give up its dream of a Greater Israel, and that doesn’t think Palestinians deserve what Israelis already have.

Romney isn’t wrong to say the Palestinians seem uninterested in real compromise. He just neglected to mention that the other player in this conflict isn’t particularly interested, either. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-19/romney-s-most-glaring-omissio
n-on-middle-east-peace.html


Finally. It's about time someone mentioned that it's not just the Palestinians who are balking at peace, but the Israelis just as much, and that the Israelis are taking specific actions to ensure peace is impossible! That never seems to be mentioned in our lick-the-Israelis'-butts country.


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