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ObamaCare explained , in one ( long ) sentence.

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Monday, September 10, 2012 11:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Even the Occubabies can understand THIS.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 10, 2012 11:29 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Auraptor explained in one short sentence:

Eudepus complexed attention seeker.

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Monday, September 10, 2012 12:39 PM

HKCAVALIER


That's not even a sentence. Just a noun phrase.

The Ryan Budget explained in one word: kleptocracy

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Monday, September 10, 2012 1:35 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Obamacare explained in one word: 'Romneycare'

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Auraptor explained in one short sentence:

Eudepus complexed attention seeker.



Which is funny, because YOU replied w/ a comment having zero to do w/ the original post, and decided to kill the messenger.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:25 AM

STORYMARK


You are mistaking "ridiculeing for an asshat no one has any respect for" with "killing the messenger".

Glad to have cleared that up far ya.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:25 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Obamacare explained in one word: 'Romneycare'

It's not personal. It's just war.



Shhhh! That's secret!


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:

The Ryan Budget explained in one word: kleptocracy

HKCavalier




Entirely and completely 180 degrees misdirected.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You are mistaking "ridiculeing for an asshat no one has any respect for" with "killing the messenger".

Glad to have cleared that up far ya.



I'm glad I have such idiots and fools for enemies as the likes of you, Storybook.

It may not be much, but it's a start.

You can't even TRY to debunk anything that was said in that video, because it's all true !

And that, more than anything, pisses the HELL out of you, that folks can call it as they see it, and not be thrown in jail, as you'd like to have happen.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think she's trying to be funny.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:42 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And this is the sum of little rappys ability to discuss a topic (with translation) -

Which is funny, because YOU replied w/ a comment having zero to do w/ the original post, and decided to kill the messenger. (I got nothing on topic to say.)


Entirely and completely 180 degrees misdirected. (I still got nothing on topic to say.)


I'm glad I have such idiots and fools for enemies as the likes of you, Storybook. (Still nothing ...)
It may not be much, but it's a start. (Still nothing ...)
You can't even TRY to debunk anything that was said in that video, because it's all true ! (I'm right and you're wrong!)
And that, more than anything, pisses the HELL out of you, that folks can call it as they see it, and not be thrown in jail, as you'd like to have happen. (So poopies on you!)

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:43 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You are mistaking "ridiculeing for an asshat no one has any respect for" with "killing the messenger".

Glad to have cleared that up far ya.



I'm glad I have such idiots and fools for enemies as the likes of you, Storybook.

It may not be much, but it's a start.

You can't even TRY to debunk anything that was said in that video, because it's all true !

And that, more than anything, pisses the HELL out of you, that folks can call it as they see it, and not be thrown in jail, as you'd like to have happen.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



No one is trying to dispute her - we're just laughing at you.

How do you not get that?

Oh, nevermind, you never "get" anything.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good ones, KPO.

It's reassuring to know that Romney intended to keep some of the parts of Obamacare even if he rescinded it...oh, no, wait, he's not...no, he IS...no, apparently he's NOT. Oh, shit, it's just too confusing:
Quote:

Sunday morning on NBC, Mitt Romney said that while he wants to repeal Health Care Reform, he would leave the provisions in place that ban insurers from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions, and that require insurance companies to cover children up to the age of 26 on their parents' plans.

Hooray! A moment of humanity from the ice princess!

Not so fast. As soon as Mitt's conservative overlords got wind of it, Romney did a quick 180, and now is against helping people with pre-existing conditions, and with children aged 26 and under. Mitt Romney is now saying that if he's elected president he will take away health care from 6.6 million children that are now on their parents' health insurance plans, and he will once again let insurance companies turn away people with "pre-existing conditions".

Romney aide stated that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that “in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.”

Then, suddenly, last night the Romney campaign amended their amended statement in an effort to suggest that they would in fact preserve the non-discrimination language concerning pre-existing conditions. "'Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited,' the aide said." Hurray!

But not so fast, a re-read of the new statement makes clear that in fact Romney won't be preserving the pre-existing conditions protections that are in Health Care Reform. http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health
.html
]

I'm so thrilled he's in favor of the individual mandate, too.:



Oh, no, wait, apparently he's NOT!



He doesn't like it because...just as his RomneyCare...it's a TAX! But it was okay that it was a tax in RomneyCare...



I dunno. I'm just too confused. Hey, Raptor is the authority on all things right wing. Does HE know where Romney stands on the issues? I'd like to hear his take on Romney's positions on issues. 'Cuz he sure confuses ME!

Trying to diss ObamaCare means you pretty much have to do the same to RomneyCare and you know it, so this entire thread is just typical Raptor "neener, neener", and nothing more.


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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

No one is trying to dispute her




And that is my point. That's all there is that is worth " getting " .


Thank you.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I thought she was a comedienne. What is there to 'get' - the joke?

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I will happily dispute her, with facts, figures and cites.
Quote:

So, let me get this straight. This is a long sentence. We’re going to be gifted with a healthcare plan that we’re forced to purchase and fined if we don’t...

To begin with, nobody is "forced" to pay for ObamaCare. If one chooses not to pay, there are NO PROVISIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT, so there's no "force" in the law at all. We've all heard this, but I'll provide cites if anyone needs them.
Quote:

which purportedly covers at least 10 million more people without adding a single doctor

Regarding the "no new doctors" claim:
Quote:

The increased access to health care will create new jobs in the health care industry itself. Providing access to systematic primary care for 30 million newcomers is bound to create new demand, not just for doctors and nurses but (as Jonathan Gruber of MIT has written) for assistants and technicians and support staff – “precisely the sort of medium-skill jobs that our economy desperately needs.” http://keller.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/more-myths-of-obamacare/] but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents...

As to the "16,000 new agents", that's more right-wing spin, per FactCheck:
Quote:

This figure originated with a report put out by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee on March 18. It said:
Quote:

GOP Analysis, March 18: IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional auditors, agents and other employees.

Notice the words "may" and "as many as." This is the highest figure the GOP analysts thought they could support. Notice also the phrase "other employees," which covers everyone down to file clerks and support staff.

The analysts based their 16,500 figure on an assumption that the IRS budget "could" require an additional $10 billion over the next 10 years as a result of the law, a figure they attribute to the Congressional Budget Office. But what CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf actually said in a March 11 letter to congressional leaders is this:
Quote:

CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … [S]uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

Note the words "probably" and "could." And the figure — based on preliminary analysis — could as easily be $5 billion as the $10 billion number the GOP analysts used.

This misrepresentation of the inflated "employee" figure has since been picked up and repeated by countless conservative blogs and news sites. But however often it is repeated, it is still false. http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/ by a President who smokes...

As to "A President who smokes", as of 2011:
Quote:

'The President is tobacco-free': Obama's doctor confirms the 'Smoker-in-Chief' has quit. The results of Obama's second medical examination since taking office were released by the White House today, and the President was declared 'tobacco free'. Earlier this year Michelle Obama claimed that her husband had not smoked for almost 12 months." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055912/He-tobacco-free-Obamas
-doctor-confirms-president-quit-smoking.html
which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect...

Benefits have already taken effect:
Quote:

Lucia Harkenreader’s check landed in her mailbox last week: a rebate of $456.15 from her health insurance company, with a letter dryly explaining that the money came courtesy of the federal health care law.

The law requires insurers to give out annual rebates by Aug. 1, starting this year, if less than 80 percent of the premium dollars they collect go toward medical care. For insurers covering large employers, the threshold is 85 percent. As a result, insurers will pay out $1.1 billion this year, according to the Department of Health and Human Services http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/health/policy/insurance-rebates-seen
-as-early-benefit-of-health-care-law.html?pagewanted=all
health care benefits kick in Wednesday requiring coverage of preventive services and screenings largely affecting women — another facet of the Obama administration’s controversial health care law.

Beginning August 1, all new and non-grandfathered insurance plans will be required to cover a wide range of early detection services, including mammograms and cervical cancer screenings, without co-payments or other cost sharing requirements. http://fox13now.com/2012/07/31/some-women-get-new-benefits-under-obama
care/


And finally, America is not broke. That's a lie, as are the others. And that's as much time as I'm willing to spend debunking her LIES. Yes, I know it's all over the internet and the right wingers like Raptor are having a great laugh about it, but it's actually filled with lies--not that they care!


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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:00 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

No one is trying to dispute her




And that is my point.



Yes, skippy - but you are missing my point. It's not that we can't dispute her - it's just not worth the effort to once again refute one of your moronic posts, just so you can stamp your feet and insist you're right, because you say so.

You are only worth mocking. That is my point.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Good ones, KPO.

It's reassuring to know that Romney intended to keep some of the parts of Obamacare even if he rescinded it...oh, no, wait, he's not...no, he IS...no, apparently he's NOT. Oh, shit, it's just too confusing:
Quote:

Sunday morning on NBC, Mitt Romney said that while he wants to repeal Health Care Reform, he would leave the provisions in place that ban insurers from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions, and that require insurance companies to cover children up to the age of 26 on their parents' plans.

Hooray! A moment of humanity from the ice princess!

Not so fast. As soon as Mitt's conservative overlords got wind of it, Romney did a quick 180, and now is against helping people with pre-existing conditions, and with children aged 26 and under. Mitt Romney is now saying that if he's elected president he will take away health care from 6.6 million children that are now on their parents' health insurance plans, and he will once again let insurance companies turn away people with "pre-existing conditions".

Romney aide stated that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that “in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.”

Then, suddenly, last night the Romney campaign amended their amended statement in an effort to suggest that they would in fact preserve the non-discrimination language concerning pre-existing conditions. "'Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited,' the aide said." Hurray!

But not so fast, a re-read of the new statement makes clear that in fact Romney won't be preserving the pre-existing conditions protections that are in Health Care Reform. http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health
.html





I'm so thrilled he's in favor of the individual mandate, too.:



Oh, no, wait, apparently he's NOT!



He doesn't like it because...just as his RomneyCare...it's a TAX! But it was okay that it was a tax in RomneyCare...



I dunno. I'm just too confused. Hey, Raptor is the authority on all things right wing. Does HE know where Romney stands on the issues? I'd like to hear his take on Romney's positions on issues. 'Cuz he sure confuses ME!

Trying to diss ObamaCare means you pretty much have to do the same to RomneyCare and you know it, so this entire thread is just typical Raptor "neener, neener", and nothing more.




See, on that day, Romney was literally for it before he was against it!

Just like Paul Ryan who on Friday was just fine with medical marijuana, but on Saturday was told by the campaign that he's with Romney and that it should never be legal. For it before he was against it, all in less than 18 hours.

I've got to get me some of those Romney/Ryan flip-flops. Normally it's really hard to walk backwards in flip-flops, but with theirs, you can go any direction at all, often all at the same time!







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

No one is trying to dispute her




And that is my point.



Yes, skippy - but you are missing my point. It's not that we can't dispute her - it's just not worth the effort to once again refute one of your moronic posts, just so you can stamp your feet and insist you're right, because you say so.

You are only worth mocking. That is my point.




You can't dispute her, and it annoys you that anyone brings up facts which obliterate the false image of your dear and fluffy leader.

I AM right, not because I say so, but because them's the facts!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:31 PM

STORYMARK


You just go ahead and keep telling yourself that. I shall continue to laugh at you.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

...it annoys you that anyone brings up facts which obliterate the false image of your dear and fluffy leader.




Is THAT why you get so mad and throw your little tantrums when I point out the many, many, MANY lies of Romney and Lyin' Ryan?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I AM right, not because I say so, but because them's the facts!



" I do not love the dull AURaptor for his sharpness, nor his repetitive nonsense for its swiftness, nor the BS-ing for his glory. I love only that which they cause to amuse. "

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:09 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

...it annoys you that anyone brings up facts which obliterate the false image of your dear and fluffy leader.




Is THAT why you get so mad and throw your little tantrums when I point out the many, many, MANY lies of Romney and Lyin' Ryan?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



Guess that was the question that scared him away from this thread.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:26 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:




Seems like Ol' Mitt's pollsters are getting confused results. Must be some VOTERS out there somewhere who LIKE SOME parts of Obama care, so he's gotta hold up some sorta hope to them that he WON"T kill the parts they like.

Then the next day, his pollsters remind him that ANY SUPPORT of ANYTHING Obama did is TREASON among the Republican right wingers, so he's gotta flip-flop or NONE of HIS OWN BASE will vote for him.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, NewOld, that's about it. Poor Mittens...he can't swing to the center or his right-wing base (which he's been trying to convince to love him all this time) will desert him; he can't stay out there on the fringe without the THINKING people abandoning him. "Rock and a hard place" time, it seems.

"You can't dispute her, and it annoys you that anyone brings up facts"-- Oh dear, once again Raptor has won the prize for the first good guffaw of the morning! I DID dispute her, WITH facts, figures and cites; apparently Raptor can't read, or doesn't bother, or doesn't like facts which dispute his pretty video. Poor baby! Keep saying we can't dispute her, Raptor, it just makes you look more like an idiot than if you'd just bought into her rant and now realized she's wrong on so many counts.

His ability to make a point; have it refuted; then keep ON making the point would be amusing, if it weren't so common as to be boring...


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