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World's smartest dog?

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Recent research by the American Psychological Association proves what any dog owner already knew: dogs are smart!

But, exactly, how smart are dogs? Chaser, a Border Collie (considered to be one of the smartest dogs) can distinguish the difference between nouns and verbs and correctly identify over 1,000 different objects!

Chaser enjoyed the attention of scientists, led by her owner and trainer, retired psychology professor John Pilley. Chaser responded correctly to identifying a noun as an object 95% of the time, according to USA Today. Not only was Chaser able to pick out the correct toy out of over 1,000 every time, she was able to identify toys she's never seen by process of elimination - all based on verbal commands. Chaser definitely qualifies as one of the world's smartest dogs.

More studies conducted by University of Florida in Gainesville showed that dogs are extremely attune to human body language and behavior.

Two years ago, Stanley Coren of the University of British Columbia presented research that stated that "dogs can learn about 165 words, can count to four or five, and have a basic understanding of arithmetic. He said the mental abilities of dogs are close to those of a human child of about 2 or 2½ years old, but abilities vary by breed" according to USA Today.

Not bad, for just a dog, right?

Check out Chaser, the incredible Border Collie and one of the world's smartest dogs, in action:




Neat. Apparently she knows a lot of words besides just the names of the toys, too. I've always been hesitant about border collies, because their smarts require a lot of challenges, and too many people get them because they're cute and don't challenge them, which has created many, many neurotic borders!

If you're interested in where your dog lands on the "smart" list, here's some info:
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How do you qualify a question that asks what the smartest dog breeds are?

Defining the smartest dog breeds depends on what defines a "smart dog." Is it the ability to wrap people around her dewclaw and get her way, no matter what?

Which dog is smarter, the one that does as he's told and works hard for his supper or the one that cocks her head, looks confused and is waited on because she's obviously too challenged to find her way to her own food bowl?

It's not a simple question. Just as you have book-smart and street-smart people, you have dogs that are smart in different ways. Dogs that we consider book-smart are the ones that tend to learn commands easily--and once these commands are learned, do as they're told. By these criteria, the Border Collie is at the top of the class, and definitely should be considered one of the smartest dog breeds. As a matter of fact, scientists are currently interested in a Border Collie that is considered to be one of the world's smartest dogs.

Some of the other smartest dog breeds are:
•Australian Kelpie
•Poodle
•Beauceron
•German Shepherd Dog
•Golden Retriever
•Doberman Pinscher
•Shetland Sheepdog
•Papillon
•Belgian Malinois
•Labrador Retriever

Breeds often accused of being most likely to be held back a grade include:
•Afghan hound
•Basenji
•Bulldog
•Chow chow
•Borzoi
•Bloodhound
•Pekingese

Owners of these breeds might agree their dogs may not have college futures, but they do have street smarts, and when it comes to getting their way, they're without peer.

The reason for these differences in the smartest dog breeds and "other breeds" is all in the genes.

Or more precisely, the tendency to follow human direction depends very much on what a breed was developed to do in the first place. Of the most trainable breeds, almost all come from herding or retrieving backgrounds, jobs for which the ability to follow human cues is vital.

A good herder must be able to follow the shepherd's directions to move the sheep where they are wanted. A good retriever must be able to follow his handler's directions to locate fowl downed out of the dog's sight, or to avoid swimming into danger. Even lapdogs tend to have an obedient streak, giving them a chance at becoming some of the smartest dog breeds, since they've been selected as companions for generations.

It's easy to explain why some breeds are so obedient, but how can it be explained why some are so disobedient? Sometimes being disobedient, or at least independent, is a job requirement. Hounds and terriers, for example, were developed to trail or chase quarry without human direction; a hound or terrier that checked back with the hunter to see which way he should go would be a dismal failure on the hunt.

Other breeds tend to be disobedient simply because they're less civilized, so to speak. Breeds that DNA studies have shown to be more closely related to the wolf tend to think for themselves rather than rely on humans. These so-called progenitor breeds include the basenji, the Afghan hound, the chow chow and the Pekingese.

Domestication has selected for dogs that have an aptitude for training to a greater degree than typical wolves, which are notoriously hard to train. Yet nobody would ever think of accusing a wolf of being slow-witted. After all, is it smarter to do everything you're told or to make up your own rules?

Most people think they want a smart dog breed, but be careful what you wish for. The smartest dog breeds need mental stimulation to keep themselves occupied.

If you can't provide it, they can undertake their own projects, which may include various home-improvement jobs, such as pulling up that old carpet, redoing the wiring or rearranging your pantry. Unfortunately, no matter how smart they are, they seldom get past the demolition stage of one project before moving on to the next.

There's something to be said for a dog that's easily entertained.

Obviously my Sibes fit in the second category, but while Tashi is a bit of a dud, Kochak is HIGHLY intelligent, and not just "street smarts", so I guess they don't fit in either category, really. Where do yours fit?

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM

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Smile of the day...


Can't wait for Neil's COSMOS sequel. Look for it, on FOX !


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Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Glad to see my Malinois on the smart list; she's pretty damned cagey, that one. She's discriminating, too - she REALLY likes other shepherd breeds, and takes an instant liking to any German Shepherd or Malinois she meets, but any other breed is pretty much "on probation" to start off. Dobies get a pass, it seems, but that's undoubtedly because she was partly raised by one when I brought her home.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 31, 2012 7:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Isn't it strange, Mike, how dogs have likes and dislikes just like people do? My last dog had an absolute CRUSH on any Weimerauner she ever saw, but would have nothing to do with Shephards (even tho' she was half Shephard!) or Akitas. I can understand the Akitas, I'm not fond of them myself, but Shephards??

My huskies are both wary of other huskies...once everyone's sniffed everyone else, all is fine, but they approach with caution, for whatever reason. I was sad to see Sibes weren't on the list; admittedly some (like my Tashi) are dumb as fenceposts, but the majority (like Kochak) are smart as whips. And yes, cagey, as well as independent (to say the least). We long since learned that if Kochak gets the urge or knows it's time to go home, there's no WAY we can get ahold of her until she's ready...she stays just out of reach and literally TAUNTS us! Tho' we also know that if we don't chase her, she'll follow us wherever we go to keep an eye on us, and the minute we turn around, dance away (we call it giving us the finger). Like I said, I guess both of them fit in the second category, what they call "street smarts". Very frustrating that is, sometimes! Doesn't help to know they perfectly fit both "Sometimes being disobedient, or at least independent, is a job requirement" and "Breeds that DNA studies have shown to be more closely related to the wolf tend to think for themselves rather than rely on humans", just results in a lot of cussing from Jim and I...

Also pissed me of that, when giving examples of those closest to wolves, they didn't mention Sibes or Mals, since both are THE most closely related to wolves. Oh well...Sibes never get the respect they deserve (in my opinion!).

KindaBut Malnois? Never doubted it!

Yeah, I'll have to check for that show, would be interesting. But are you lauding the network that kicked Firefly off the air, Raptor? I find that strange...


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Friday, August 31, 2012 7:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Looks like it aired Feb. 2011. Here's a link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/nature/how-smart-dogs.html

Enjoy!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 31, 2012 7:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx for that! Although somewhat repetitive of the video I put up, there was more that was interesting. I didn't know the thing about chimps learning v. dogs learning, that surprised me.

"Social intelligence"--that nails it perfectly. I'm kinda surprised they didn't mention dolphins, whose brains are quite similar to ours, too, AND who pay more attention to humans, so learn faster. In their case--since evolution can't have anything to do with it, obviously--I put it down to them being captive, so needing intellectual stimulation, which only we can provide.

Made me smile to see the howling, too. Kochak has me "trained" to have a howling session with her every morning before I get out of bed, and when Jim comes home from work in the afternoon. We "sing" together; I try to match her key and it can go on for quite a while. Tashi, on the other hand, NEVER howls...he has a very manly-man low sound he makes when I tease him about dinner (food being his biggest motivation) and says "naw!" He tosses his head around and give a gutteral "wooo". One of the things I love about huskies/mals is their vocaliation, which is not only fun, but can be easily understood by the differnt tones. Gets a bit difficult to have a conversation when they are in the car and recognize where we are means we're going to one of the places they like, admittedly, but I still love it.

That said, I'm off to the dog park with my monsters, and know I'm in for a cacophany of noise (in two-part harmony!) as we approach it. Gawd, I love huskies!


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Friday, August 31, 2012 8:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, chimps and primates don't seem to have that need to seek our approval, whereas dogs have that need hardwired into them at this point. "Social intelligence" is a good descriptor for it.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 31, 2012 5:50 PM

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I find that cats are even more individual - mind you that breed sometimes comes into it for basic traits, I mean you're just not gonna find a siamese which isn't kind of whiny, but still.

Kallista was definately a genius of a cat, this is the kitty who figured out how to open french lever doors and successfully concealed her method for years, and she could make three step abstract connections - as in properly identify a cereal box from the other boxes in the pantry and make the connection that the human will have milk in hand soon (and thus be amenable to exploit for goodies), which is a pretty sharp reach for the average cat.
Not to mention the obviously profane, multi-syllable vocalisations she'd offer if you annoyed her.

On the other end of the scale you got Ghoster, who even by cat standards is a total dunce, but a sweet one, she's so slow on the uptake I sometimes wonder if without natural instinct she could have ever figured out that the crunchy stuff in the bowl is food, or how to use a litter box.

Then you got poor terminal Puppy - who doesn't like other cats of any gender, and doesn't like female humans neither, ONLY human males, and only a few of them.

Way I look at it, they're people, just furry ones.
My definition of "people" includes more than humans, and doesn't necessarily include all of THEM.

-Frem

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Friday, August 31, 2012 6:20 PM

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I don't think Huskies are dumb as fence posts. They're just stubborn as hell.

And I think dogs relate better to humans because they evolved that way. We're kindred pack members, of sorts. They became domesticated w/ humans, and so it's only natural that they pick up on your non verbal cues. They WANT to please us, because we share so much history with them

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, as Mike and the video said, paying attention to us is hardwired by evolution.

Saw a thing on dogs v. wolves (dunno if I put it up). When faced with food that they had to pull a thread to get at, the wolf worked and went around and around, trying to figure it out. The dog tried a couple of things, then sat down and stared at the human. Pretty much says it all; they look to us.

I didn't say huskies were dumb, just that TASHI is. MOST huskies are smart as whips, like Kochak, and every husky owner I've ever met agrees...they also IMMEDIATELY follow that with "but..." and our byword is always "they're not for the faint of heart!" It's interesting to me that the Chukchi treated their dogs like part of the family, they lived in the home, took care of the children, etc., yet huskies are so independent. I know the familiar reason, that if the musher says "go left" and there's a chasm in the snow, the dogs are trained NOT to go left, but their so-close association with humans, you'd think, would have enforced this wish to please.

Shit, Frem, neither huskies nor ANY breed of dogs comes close to the independence of cats, we all know that! As to why, that's easy; cats can survive on their own, the only reason they became domesticated at ALL is that they built a mutually-beneficial bond with us by being such good ratters. They've never been genetically bred to obey, so it's not in their evolution. Compared to my brats giving us the finger when they feel like it, cats give EVERYONE the finger a lot of the time (with obvious exceptions).

Once again, the old familar saw: "Call a dog, he'll come to you; call a cat, they'll take a message and get back to you."


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Sunday, September 2, 2012 7:48 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I didn't say huskies were dumb, just that TASHI is. MOST huskies are smart as whips, like Kochak, and every husky owner I've ever met agrees...they also IMMEDIATELY follow that with "but..." and our byword is always "they're not for the faint of heart!"




Smart breed, but an occasional dim bulb. Got it.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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