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...and we thought nobody would stand by Akin...

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Friday, August 24, 2012 5:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Despite his ignorant, absurd beliefs about women getting pregnant from rape, here come the ultra-conservatives to stand by Akin:
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Tampa, Florida (CNN) - Facing pressure from Republican heavyweights in Washington to abandon his Missouri Senate bid, Rep. Todd Akin is huddling with top conservative activists in Tampa to assess whether to move forward with his embattled candidacy.

Akin spent Wednesday night and Thursday in a series of private meetings at the two-day summit of the Council For National Policy (CNP), a secretive group of conservative leaders who are meeting in Florida before next week’s Republican National Convention.

The congressman was scheduled to attend the conference long before he suggested that “legitimate rape” might not cause a woman to become pregnant, comments that have roiled the Republican Party and shifted the focus of the presidential race away from the economy and toward the divisive social issue of abortion - just days before the GOP officially nominates Mitt Romney as its standard-bearer.

Multiple sources at the CNP conference told CNN that Akin is being encouraged by leading figures in the conservative movement to remain in the Senate race even as he faces pressure from Republican establishment.

Still, several of the activists and conservative thought leaders here acknowledged the long odds he faces.

One person attending the summit said many were “spooked” by a poll out Thursday that showed Akin trailing Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill by 10 points, an unthinkable scenario just one week ago.

A source stressed that Akin is “getting a ton of support” from conservatives at the conference.

Several of the conservatives attending the conference - most of whom refused to speak on the record because of the secretive nature of the CNP – expressed resentment at the aggressive and heavy-handed treatment of Akin by Republican leaders in Washington who have pressured him to quit the Missouri race.

At least two people at the conference named Karl Rove, a co-founder of the powerful 527 group American Crossroads, as a specific source of frustration.

Rove’s relationship with the activist wing of his party has grown frosty over the years, and sources backing Akin said they might not be rallying to his side with such vigor if Rove was not among those pushing Akin to get out.

Participants in Thursday’s meetings, though, said support for Akin was not universal among conservatives.

Richard Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission at the Southern Baptist Convention, said that while Akin misspoke and has been treated “unfairly,” he should still drop out.

“I think it splits the social conservative movement,” Land told CNN. “Some people say, 'Look, he is our guy, we are going to stand with him. We think he can win.' And some people are saying, 'The odds are this is a fatal blow at least in this election cycle.' For the good of the movement, for the good of the pro life cause, for the good of taking control of the senate for pro life forces, he needs to do what’s best for the cause and throw himself on his shield.”

The congressman, who has deep ties to the Christian right, is also hosting an invitation-only reception on Thursday evening.

But much of the discussion about the future of his campaign is taking place during face-to-face meetings with top leaders in the conservative movement attending the CNP summit, being held at a hotel near Tampa International Airport.

Ralph Reed, the founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, was among those who spoke privately with Akin on Thursday.

"I'm absolutely confident that Congressman Akin and his team, and he's got a good team around him, are going to be able to make a thorough assessment of whether or not the support is there to be able to continue the campaign," Reed told CNN. "I'm really going to defer to his judgment on it."

Reed declined to reveal details of their conversation, but made plain his sympathy for Akin: “As a general rule, I have devoted my career to encouraging men and women of faith to run for office. I don’t encourage men and women of faith not to run.”

Along with Land and Reed, the conference was attended by Eagle Forum founder Phyllis Schlafly, direct mail specialist Richard Viguerie, National Rifle Association Chairman David Keene, former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton, pollster Kellyanne Conway, Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser, Americans United For Life founder Charmaine Yoest, former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell and many others.

Also present were a fleet of talk radio hosts, communications consultants, school reform activists and several Republican political operatives.

Little is known about the CNP, aside from a website which describes its members as “the country’s most influential conservative leaders in business, government, politics and religion.”

New members must be vouched for and invited by current ones. One person described CNP meetings as a “media free zones” where conservatives can network and strategize freely.

Even members of the group who spoke to CNN anonymously were hesitant to discuss the group, or anything related to the Akin controversy.

“I can't talk about what they talk about here, it’s all confidential,” said one CNP participant. “Sorry.”

When Akin was approached by a CNN camera while sitting on a veranda Thursday outside the hotel, an aide quickly moved to block the photographer’s shot.

Personally, I they'd encourage an ape to run if he were conservative enough!

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Friday, August 24, 2012 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I just love it:
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Before he spoke out, Akin led McCaskill by an average 5 percentage points, according to RealClearPolitics. She was seen as the most vulnerable incumbent Democrat this cycle. Beating her was key to the Republicans’ goal of retaking control of the Senate, where 53 members currently caucus with the Democrats, versus 47 Republicans.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters shows the first-term Senator McCaskill now leading by 10 percentage points, 48 percent to 38 percent. The poll, taken Aug. 22, represents a dramatic reversal of fortune for Congressman Akin.

Let's see if the GOP can manage to get rid of him and put another candidate in, or if he can regain his lead in the next two-plus months. Otherwise, bye bye Republican Senate. Awwwww....

This guy was a shoe-in, all he had to do was keep his mouth shut. They just KEEP on shooting themselves in the foot, it's strange to watch it keep happening...


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Friday, August 24, 2012 7:13 AM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Akin will be gone soon, one way or another. Gov. Christie, who railed against Akin the other day, knows guys in the waste disposal business.

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Another steps up:
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Rep. Steve King (R-IA) is doubling down on behalf of his colleague Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) who said Sunday that it’s unlikely for a woman to get pregnant from “legitimate rape” because her body would “shut that whole thing down.” In an interview with Iowa’s KMEG-TV, King denied ever hearing about anyone getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest, saying: “Well I just haven’t heard of that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way, and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.” King is one of Akin’s very few remaining defenders as Republican politicians try to distance themselves from the controversy. Just a few weeks ago, King claimed that it’s perfectly legal to rape and kidnap a young girl and then transport her across state lines to force her to get an abortion to “eradicate the evidence of his crime.”
Of course, King almost doesn't count; we already KNEW he was a nut case.

I can't believe some of the people who get elected to "represent" us; I don't get how it keeps happening that people like this, Bachmann, Akin, etc., populate our Congress!


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Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Paul Ryan has called rape a "method of conception" as part of his defense of his "no exceptions" stance on abortion.


Did you know that in at least 31 states in this country, a rapist has the same rights to custody and visitation as any father? That's right - you can be raped, brutalized, penetrated and impregnated against your will, assaulted, beaten, physically and mentally abused, and your attacker has the right to demand to be part of his child's life once he's forced his sperm into you.

And Paul Ryan and the entire GOP are defending the rights of these rapists.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:33 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I wonder if that would stand up in a court of law. Sorry to be questioning this one, but I guess theoretically that law applies here as well. Both parents have the automatic responsibililty to care for their child, if it is the best interest of a child. I'm pretty sure being the person who had committed a violent act against the mother would not be considered 'best interest', but I am not sure if it has been tested. I would imagine most women would be offered the morning after pill (here in Australia) if they report a rape. Problem is, many women don't report.

I can't see how even if you are rabidly pro abortion, you can object to the morning after pill, something that brings on your period basically. It strikes me as such extemism.

Lots of research coming out now on the affect of trauma to the mother on the foetus, that I wouldn't be surprised if women miscarried or there was significant fetal abnormality to be conceived in trauma, but to use this kind of research for this political purpose is immoral in my view. So what if 'most' women don't carry to full term. SO FUCKING WHAT???? This is just another way of wielding power over the victim, someone who has already been violated. "Chin up, sweetie, you probably won't get pregnant." What a horror, to think that you have NO CHOICE but to carry a rapists child inside of you and go through birth because some demented fanatic thought that the existence of a few cells was more sacred that you, as a fully cognitive human.

It strikes me that this is just another kind of rape, a psychological one. Let's hope the American people see sense.

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The main reason so many are so vehemently opposed to the morning after pill here in the States is simple: It gives the anti-choice crowds nothing to protest against. What are they going to do, stand outside every pharmacy and badger every woman who walks in or out, just on the off chance she MIGHT be picking up some Plan B?

It's all about power, as you said.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I wonder if that would stand up in a court of law. Sorry to be questioning this one, but I guess theoretically that law applies here as well. Both parents have the automatic responsibililty to care for their child, if it is the best interest of a child. I'm pretty sure being the person who had committed a violent act against the mother would not be considered 'best interest', but I am not sure if it has been tested. I would imagine most women would be offered the morning after pill (here in Australia) if they report a rape. Problem is, many women don't report.

I can't see how even if you are rabidly pro abortion, you can object to the morning after pill, something that brings on your period basically. It strikes me as such extemism.

Lots of research coming out now on the affect of trauma to the mother on the foetus, that I wouldn't be surprised if women miscarried or there was significant fetal abnormality to be conceived in trauma, but to use this kind of research for this political purpose is immoral in my view. So what if 'most' women don't carry to full term. SO FUCKING WHAT???? This is just another way of wielding power over the victim, someone who has already been violated. "Chin up, sweetie, you probably won't get pregnant." What a horror, to think that you have NO CHOICE but to carry a rapists child inside of you and go through birth because some demented fanatic thought that the existence of a few cells was more sacred that you, as a fully cognitive human.

It strikes me that this is just another kind of rape, a psychological one. Let's hope the American people see sense.


Let's hope indeed.

The situation here is actually WORSE than that, for a fact, take this as a case in point.

Imagine You Were Raped. Got Pregnant. Then Your Rapist Sought Custody.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/rapist-seeks-child-custody
-shauna-prewitt

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The debate over Rep. Todd Akin's widely condemned comments on "legitimate rape" has largely centered on abortion and Republican efforts to outlaw the procedure, even in cases of rape. But the controversy has also uncovered a little-discussed issue: When some rape victims do choose to give birth to a child conceived through sexual assault, they find that the legal door is left wide open for their victimization to continue. It sounds unfathomable, but in many states the law makes it possible for rapists to assert their parental rights and use custody proceedings as a weapon against their victims.

Shauna Prewitt says it happened to her, in Akin’s home state of Missouri. In 2004, Prewitt was in the midst of her senior year in college when she was allegedly raped. Nine months later, she gave birth to a baby girl, who today is seven and a half. Shortly after her daughter's birth, when Prewitt was pursuing charges against her accused rapist, he suddenly served her with papers requesting custody of their daughter. At first, Prewitt thought it was so ridiculous she laughed it off. Then, the truth sank in:

"I was struck with terror, not only with the idea of letting my child be around him, but also having to spend the next 18 years of my life tied to him," she says.


This is the kind of Taliban-grade insanity these motherfuckers support.

-Frem

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Knowing a little of family law in the states, it would be unimaginable that he would get custody, but even pursuing the matter through court and the agony that involves, especially in rape cases, is another abuse.

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The main reason so many are so vehemently opposed to the morning after pill here in the States is simple: It gives the anti-choice crowds nothing to protest against. What are they going to do, stand outside every pharmacy and badger every woman who walks in or out, just on the off chance she MIGHT be picking up some Plan B?

It's all about power, as you said.




It's also theocracy. You see these sort of restrictions on women in countries where there is a strong religious element in the government. Elsewhere people would see it as a choice, if it goes against your religious principles, then don't do it. And then mind your own affairs.

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