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Brandon Raub "taken away" over FB posts

POSTED BY: CANTTAKESKY
UPDATED: Monday, August 27, 2012 04:09
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:26 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Forgive me if this has already been posted.

Quote:



http://wtvr.com/2012/08/19/former-marine-taken-away-in-handcuffs-cause
s-stir
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CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, Va. (WTVR) – A Chesterfield County man, and Marine veteran, was taken away in handcuffs without charges, and is being held for medical evaluation after questionable Facebook posts.

Brandon Raub, 26, was led away from his house in handcuffs around 7:30 p.m. Thursday night, according the video shot and uploaded to YouTube.
...

The FBI does confirm that agents went to the house of the former Marine to talk with him about his Facebook postings.



And here are his Facebook postings.

Quote:


The Truth
by Brandon J Raub on Friday, November 11, 2011 at 10:00 am

America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

This is the land of Thomas Jefferson.

This is the land of Benjamin Franklin.

This is the land of Fredrick Douglas.

This is the land of Smedley Butler.

This is the land John F. Kennedy.

This is the land of Martin Luther King.

This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can succeed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help each other. This is land where people beat racism.

The Federal Reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of greed and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.

We have allowed ourselves to be deceived and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The Federal Reserve is artificially manipulating interest rates and creating phony economic data.

This thing has deceived our entire nation.

They created it in 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.

There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the freedoms of other people.

I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.

There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.

Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of government.

Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.

We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts.

They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.

This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.

These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.

The Bill of Rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.

Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are losing their limbs. They are losing their lives. They are losing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.

They have done some extraordinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They deceived our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!

September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.

Your leaders betrayed you.

You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.

These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate fascism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.

There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-o
ur-republic-back
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:21 AM

JONGSSTRAW


"Yes General, obviously insane."
Captain Willard

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



He had me until the 9-11 was an " inside job " part, then I bailed.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:42 PM

WHOZIT


Facebook is now worth $3 a share.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:32 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


And a followup from WTVR.

Quote:

Judge orders release of detained Marine veteran

A Hopewell circuit court judge has ordered that a Marine veteran detained over anti-government Facebook posts be released from a psychiatric hospital.

Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties.

As a result, the judge ruled the government had no grounds to hold Raub.

Beck said the judge is in the process of writing an order for Raub’s release. He is expected to be released from a the hospital in Salem, Virginia Thursday afternoon.

The decorated U.S. Marine veteran was questioned by FBI agents about his Facebook postings and then hauled away from his Chesterfield County home in handcuffs last Thursday.

CBS 6 checked his criminal history and found it to be clean. And Brandon Raub’s mother told CBS 6 News’ Mark Holmberg that her son he had no mental health history.

“He never was violent or psychotic or anything like that,” Cathleen Thomas told CBS 6. “There were just conversations we had back and forth, very deep.”

Cell phone video shot by a friend that showed Raub being thrown to the ground and then put into a police car has gone viral on Youtube. His story, portrayed as a patriot whose free speech rights have been violated, has shot across the country.

A number of protestors gathered outside John Randolph Medical Center Monday, where Raub was being detained. Earlier this week, a judge approved a motion to transfer Raub to the Veterans Hospital in Salem.

The Rutherford Institute, a Charlottesville-based civil liberties group whose lawyers represented Raub, argued his arrest was was improper and unlawful. However, federal agents contend that Facebook posts made by Raub were “terrorist in nature.”

A former Marine who served two tours in Afghanistan with Raub told CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck Monday that Raub is a courageous and patriotic young man with showed no signs of posttraumatic stress disorder. Additionally, the man said he believes a mental evaluation would find Raub sane — and not someone who is capable of a terroristic threat.




Reading Raub's Facebook posts, they're not too different from stuff that folks here have posted about government abuse of power and the 'torches and pitchforks' solution to bad politicians.

Anyone feel a little less comfortable about expressing such sentiments now?

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:01 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Here is another article on Raub's release:

https://rt.com/usa/news/judge-marine-facebook-raub-421/

Quote:

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Raub, 26, had his home visited one week earlier by FBI, Secret Service and local law enforcement agents who expressed concern over a series of Facebook posts he had made on his public social networking profile. They detained him without charge and admitted him to a local hospital for evaluation.

"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," reads a signed statement by Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett, which was provided to the Richmond Times-Dispatch Thursday afternoon.

Judge Sharrett adds that he was shocked to find that a magistrate did not include any grounds at all for holding Raub, who was placed in custody for a full week without any charges being pressed.

Earlier in the week, attorneys representing Raub from the Rutherford Institute attacked the mishandling of the case by suggesting that the entire ordeal was a war on their client’s constitutional rights.

“This is not how justice in America is supposed to work — with Americans being arrested for doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights, forced to undergo psychological evaluations, detained against their will and isolated from their family, friends and attorneys. This is a scary new chapter in our history,” Rutherford Institute President John W. Whitehead says in a statement released on Tuesday this week. “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:51 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


The moral of the story is don't have a Facebook because the government trolls around on there. Rutters.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
The moral of the story is don't have a Facebook because the government trolls around on there. Rutters.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya




You're not honestly naive enough to think they're only trolling facebook, are you?

Look up "trapwire". NSA monitors ALL electronic communications. Everything you post, everything you say into a phone.

Did you really not already know this?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:33 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Anyone feel a little less comfortable about expressing such sentiments now?


Nope, not a fuckin whit - pulling Raub in was completely out of line and likely more something to do with a personal grudge by someone within the system than any actual act of his.

Free Speech is what it is.

ETA: Fuck trapwire, look into Main Core, and realize this has been going on nonstop, legalities and parties aside, for seventy years.

-F

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:


“This is not how justice in America is supposed to work — with Americans being arrested for doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights, forced to undergo psychological evaluations, detained against their will and isolated from their family, friends and attorneys.



Gee, ya THINK ???


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, August 24, 2012 3:32 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Anyone feel a little less comfortable about expressing such sentiments now?


Nope, not a fuckin whit - pulling Raub in was completely out of line and likely more something to do with a personal grudge by someone within the system than any actual act of his.

Free Speech is what it is.




Wouldn't expect you to , but you know that such events have to have a chilling effect on some folks. They also provide an "I told you so!" moment for folks like that Texas judge.

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Friday, August 24, 2012 4:16 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




video of the "non-arrest" at gunpoint:



Rutherford Institute Lawyers Defend Iraq War Vet Brandon Raub Arrested by 16 Cops, FBI & Secret Service, Incarcerated in Psych Ward & Detained Indefinitely for Posting "Terrorist" 9/11 Truth, Song Lyrics to Facebook. Public servants said Ra...ub’s Facebook posts are the sole reason for his continued incarceration by life sentence, no bail, no trial, no appeal.

ttp:// www.businessinsider.com/former-marine-brandon-raub-is-being-held-in-a-
psychiatric-ward-over-facebook-posts-about-911-2012-8#ixzz24CGAEqUU

http://www.infowars.com/former-marine-indefinitely-detained-in-psychia
tric-ward-over-911-facebook-posts
/
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/r
utherford_institute_defends_marine_arrested_incarcerated_in_psych_ward_det

http://www.businessinsider.com/s?q=Brandon+Raub+
http://www.dailypaul.com/249695/richmond-times-dispatch-story-read-it-
please-my-question-is-brandon-raub-the-first-us-ndaa-victim



http://september911surprise.com
http://piratenews.org/911con.html
http://piratenews.org/flight93.html

Quote:

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST

"The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation."
-Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)



22 August 2012: OBAMA BEGINS TOP SECRET TRIALS OF ALLEGED 9/11 TERRORISTS WATERBOARDED 180 TIMES PER MONTH AT GUATANAMO BAY CUBA, BANS NEWS MEDIA FROM REPORTING A SINGLE WORD OF TRIAL TESTIMONY, US CONSTITUTION BANNED AS ILLEGAL DOCUMENT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daphne-eviatar/definitive-questions-to-b
_b_1811966.html

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/50832-technical-glitch-delays-9-11-
hearing-at-guantanamo



The animation of this image is censored on Facebook

Quote:

"September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7."
-Branden Raub, US Marine Corps, Facebook.com




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Sunday, August 26, 2012 7:34 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yeah yeah I know all that, nothing new, but facebook is just asking for it you know? I mean its all laid out lock stock and barrel for easy access and connections, takes the work out of the process.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:47 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:


“This is not how justice in America is supposed to work — with Americans being arrested for doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights, forced to undergo psychological evaluations, detained against their will and isolated from their family, friends and attorneys.



Gee, ya THINK ???



Aren't you the one who LOVES the USPATRIOT Act? Gad, you are so stupid - if one idea met another wandering around that hollow wilderness of a mind, it would be shocked.

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Monday, August 27, 2012 12:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Anyone feel a little less comfortable about expressing such sentiments now?


Nope, not a fuckin whit - pulling Raub in was completely out of line and likely more something to do with a personal grudge by someone within the system than any actual act of his.

Free Speech is what it is.

ETA: Fuck trapwire, look into Main Core, and realize this has been going on nonstop, legalities and parties aside, for seventy years.

-F




Does this make me less comfortable about expressing such views? Hardly. It makes me MORE likely to do so. What are they going to do, take me away? Really, when you have nothing left to threaten me with than loss of my "freedom" - which is an illusion in the first place - then you have no threat at all.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, August 27, 2012 4:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system.
"Planning to"??? Hmm... that's like predicting the sun will rise in 1950. Already done years ago.

The REAL problem is not what he posted, it's
97,000 views +
3000-person group attached to the post +
ex-Marine =
formation of a militarily competent disaffected group?

Yanno what they say in the 2nd amendment... any fool can own a gun. what you CANNOT do is form an independent militia.

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