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Romney picks Paul Ryan for VP

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:35 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Your disconnect from reality is now utterly complete, child.


Rappy's disconnect is just *now* complete?

This is so much more entertaining than a Portman pick would have been. I think it's a really good thing actually, because it'll force the conversation toward the insanity of the Ryan budget. Which is why this is so shocking - Mitt has been trying like hell not to take a position on the issues in that budget. Now he's drawn a big ole target on himself.

Let the games begin!

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Kwickie- you're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing.

So, which is it?



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/romney-introduces-ryan-president-
united-states-16984737



Looks like every major news outlet is "lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing"...

... or Rappy is.

So, which is it?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57491482-503544/romney-and-ryan
-introduce-each-other-as-americas-comeback-team
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"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



You omitted that he introduced him as VP as well,so you lied by omission.

Which is no real surprise.

At least he didn't claim there were 57 states. At least, someday, Ryan MAY be President... in 8 years.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Fact is, Ryan is an excellent, intelligent and dynamic choice for VP. He's FAR and away better equipped to be PRESIDENT than the current office holder, and will be working w/ a tried and true success in the real world as Romney's running mate.

Americans are tired of the lame, childish vitriol coming from the Left. All they have is personal attacks, lies, distortions, with out ANY credible solutions.

Ryan has put his plan to paper and stands by it. What's Obama done ? Played golf, held parties and concerts, apologized to the world, bowed and scraped at the feet of other leaders, played golf, and oh yeah, ran up a colossal debt that absolutely will crush this country unless it's addressed.

Romney and Ryan offer sober, grown up solutions to this country's very real problems.

Obama and Biden, just offer hate speech and more mindless, petty attacks.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You omitted that he introduced him as VP as well,so you lied by omission.

Which is no real surprise.

At least he didn't claim there were 57 states. At least, someday, Ryan MAY be President... in 8 years.




Thing is, that wouldn't make Ryan "the next President of the United States", would it?

Actually, he INTRODUCED Ryan as "the next President of the United States." He then CORRECTED himself after that, but the introduction was already out there. He didn't introduce him as VP, he CORRECTED himself to say "Vice President".

The only one lying here is you.

Which is no real surprise.

Now apologize for telling lies about me. Admit you were wrong, you blew it, and let's move on. Or just keep backpedaling and digging yourself in deeper.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Obama and Biden, just offer hate speech and more mindless, petty attacks.




Yeah, remember when Biden and Obama attacked Romney and Ryan and called them Muslims, Arabs, foreigners, terrorists, shouted "Kill him!" from the crowds, and demanded investigations into their un-American activities?

Me neither.


This is the conservative plan for America:



This is what Grover Norquist advocates, and what Romney and Ryan have endorsed.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Romney and Ryan offer sober, grown up solutions to this country's very real problems.



Polls indicate the country doesn't seem to want those things. They want Obama.

47% don't want to ever start paying Fed. income tax.

100 million don't want to get off of Govt. assistance, not including SS & Medicare

Un-employment has now morphed into a ten-fold increase in disability claims. Don't touch that.

Minorities, gays, the young.....all carved out and folded into the Obama umbrella


That leaves about 27 guys left over to vote for Romney/Ryan.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No, the only liar here is you, Kwickie.

Romney FIRST actually introduced Ryan as the next VP of the United States.

Quote:

Today we take another step forward in helping
restore the promise of America as we move forward in this
campaign and on to help lead the nation to better days.
It's an honor to announce my running mate and next vice
president of the United States, Paul Ryan.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/11/transcript-romney-introduce
s-ryan-as-pick-for-vice-president/#ixzz23Gc7Q4zD



Only later, after speaking and being interrupted by applause from the audience, did Mitt make the mild, trivial mistake of leaving out the word 'VICE'.

You have no case, per usual.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Welcome to Ryan's death panels!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, the only liar here is you, Kwickie.

Romney FIRST actually introduced Ryan as the next VP of the United States.

Quote:

Today we take another step forward in helping
restore the promise of America as we move forward in this
campaign and on to help lead the nation to better days.
It's an honor to announce my running mate and next vice
president of the United States, Paul Ryan.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/11/transcript-romney-introduce
s-ryan-as-pick-for-vice-president/#ixzz23Gc7Q4zD



Only later, after speaking and being interrupted by applause from the audience, did Mitt make the mild, trivial mistake of leaving out the word 'VICE'.




You mean "Only later, when actually introducing Ryan to the crowd, as Ryan came out to speak, did Mitt refer to him as the next President."


Meanwhile, you claimed that he never said it, that I was lying, hard of hearing, or believing in something that never happened.

I've shown conclusively that it DID happen, exactly as I stated, and you owe me an apology.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:00 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Just heard the clip for my own self, & Mitt said "Vice" President.




Where did you hear "Vice"?
LOL, oh, you were joking! I get it, 'cause you're never wrong, like Romney...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Just heard the clip for my own self, & Mitt said "Vice" President.




Where did you hear "Vice"?
LOL, oh, you were joking! I get it, 'cause you're never wrong, like Romney...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

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"Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"


Did Mitt Romney say this today, or not?

Yes or no.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:05 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Meanwhile, you claimed that he never said it, that I was lying, hard of hearing, or believing in something that never happened.

I've shown conclusively that it DID happen, exactly as I stated, and you owe me an apology.


rAPPY, LIKE HIS NEW HERO rOMNEY, IS NEVER WRONG, AND NEVER APOLOGIZES.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:11 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You have no case, per usual.



I got yer case here, pal.


O happy day, hope springs!

Poor Rapster...

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:41 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ryan has put his plan to paper and stands by it. What's Obama done ? Played golf, held parties and concerts, apologized to the world, bowed and scraped at the feet of other leaders, played golf, and oh yeah, ran up a colossal debt that absolutely will crush this country unless it's addressed.

Romney and Ryan offer sober, grown up solutions to this country's very real problems.



Well accept for the fact that Ryan's plan would add more to the debt that the status quo.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/03/matt-mi
ller/matt-miller-blasts-deficit-debt-implications-paul
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I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:55 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:


Only later, after speaking and being interrupted

Oh, fess up you little weasel, you were WRONG. No shame in that. There IS, however, SHAME in acting like you CAN'T be... it drains your political credibility...

Oh, SILLY me, you were already...



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Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:


Only later, after speaking and being interrupted

Oh, fess up you little weasel, you were WRONG. No shame in that. There IS, however, SHAME in acting like you CAN'T be... it drains your political credibility...




Rappy's the only person I've encountered who thinks of the applause of a crowd of supporters as "being interrupted"...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:16 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy's the only person I've encountered who thinks of the applause of a crowd of supporters as "being interrupted"...


He really needs mental help....

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Fortunately there's ObamaCare, and pre-existing conditions are covered!







And then there's Paul Ryan's "iDon'tCare" plan...







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:25 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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After Romney's spokesperson stuck her foot in her butt this week, his campaign is teetering on life support. Picking Ryan would be the final nail in Romney's election coffin. Republicans can't generate one scintilla of excitement for Romney, and Romney can't win the media war against Obama's surrogates. Although the Convention will surely be a hoot and a half, the campaign is living up to its' own self-destructive pre-destination.
That was my impression, Jong. Romney's had a LOUSEY Summer, needed something to give him a bump, and got Ryan pushed on him. It's not that far from a Palin choice, given all the dangers Ryan represents, and I think a) Romney would rather have announced his VP pick at the convention, and b) Just like McCain, he got pushed into a choice he knows is dangerous. But hey, we'll take it, gonna be funnnnnnn!!!

I can buy you might be a THINKING conservative who's sick at heart watching what's been happening. And I know you're not alone, I absolutely REFUSE to believe all conservatives are as stupid, deliberately blind and brainwashed as our Rappy and a few others. If that's true, my respect for you just went up a couple of notches.

Gawd, he really did say it, Mike? Mindboggling. The poor man just can't seem to open his MOUTH without sticking his foot in it! If he got elected, he'd be the biggest puppet President we ever had...worse than Bushneyrove, even!
Quote:

it'll force the conversation toward the insanity of the Ryan budget. Which is why this is so shocking - Mitt has been trying like hell not to take a position on the issues in that budget. Now he's drawn a big ole target on himself.

Let the games begin!

Yup, yup, and yup Mal4...and the pundits are already at it. "A clear choice", yada, yada, and boy, will Obam have FUN with it. Romney's stuck with a budget he KNOWS can't work, that he'll get attacked on daily, and hoo-boy, is that clear choice thing gonna be a blast to watch!

Oh, and from what I heard, Ryan's not a Catholic...he's a "reformed Catholic" Evangelical. The Tea Party is having an orgy...

Oh, screw Raptor. If one of his heroes said the sky was green and you reported it, he'd call you a liar. So what?. He's just trying to cover his ass...he called you a liar, found out he was wrong, so went searching around for an "explanation"...Romney didn't call him that at FIRST...Romney only called him Prez after being INTERRUPTED...whatever....

We already KNOW he needs help, but there's no way to help someone who only gets his information from right-wing extremists and doesn't WANT to hear anything else, so why bother with him? Yeah, I know, Mike, 'cuz it's fun...but there are much more fun things to discuss about this...let me count the ways...
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While there is a short-term and potential electoral edge in Mitt Romney's selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate, it is politically risky and violates what should be the guiding principle in choosing a vice-presidential nominee: "First, do no harm." In the end, the choice may do more harm than good.

There is no doubt that Ryan is charismatic, resilient and sharp. But in his home state, it is not clear how much Wisconsinites know about him since he has never held statewide office.

One of the upsides of the Ryan pick is that it changes the campaign narrative. Romney has been taking a beating in the last few weeks. He desperately needs to shift attention in a new direction. Since the choice of a conservative firebrand like Ryan will be viewed as a daring choice, Romney may see a temporary boost to his campaign.

Unquestionably, Ryan will help Romney solidify support with staunch members of the GOP. Most of them would have supported Romney in the end regardless, but Romney wanted to assure them that he is reliable and ideologically aligned to the Republican base.

By choosing Ryan, Romney all but guaranteed that these hot-button issues would become fodder for the Obama campaign, which will present a contrasting vision of entitlement programs for Americans. It's treacherous waters to step into.

Just what I thought, he needed to shift direction, he had a terrible Summer, he needs to solidify his creds with the far right (which is weird since they'd vote for him anyway...), and it'll give him a temporary boost.
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The announcement comes at the end of a week in which Democrats continued relentless attacks on Romney over his refusal to reveal more of his tax records and which saw three polls in 24 hours showing Obama with a growing lead over his Republican challenger. A CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday showed a big jump in those who had an unfavorable opinion of the GOP candidate.

While some analysts saw Romney's choice as risky, others thought Romney had to go big. "With Mitt Romney losing ground to President Obama in the polls, I don't see the selection of Paul Ryan as 'risky,' I see the choice as bold and necessary," Republican consultant Ford O'Connell told CNN.

Yup, it's pretty easy to see how it happened. Much like the choice of Palin. This could be a big a death knell, for totally different reasons.

I've actually heard good things about Ryan as a person, so at least it seems we'll have an intelligent, PERSONALITY to watch sometimes. But the choice of VP has rarely decided an election...well, with the possible exception of Mamma Grizzly, that is.


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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:28 PM

1KIKI

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis



"Just heard the clip for my own self, & Mitt said "Vice" President.

Kwickie- you're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing.

So, which is it?"


There is something strangely ... deficient ... about little Rappy. Now, either he really did hear what he says he heard - in which case he should seriously consider getting help for the voices in his head, or he thinks a blatant lie about something so easy to check would convince us.

Either way, the dood's got some serious screws rattling around in that space on top of his neck ...



SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:34 PM

1KIKI

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis


Remember that movie "Throw Momma from the Train"? I can't help but think that Paul Ryan's budget should be titled "Throw Grandma Under the Bus".


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:54 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

There is something strangely ... deficient ... about little Rappy. Now, either he really did hear what he says he heard - in which case he should seriously consider getting help for the voices in his head, or he thinks a blatant lie about something so easy to check would convince us.

He's all about convincing HIMSELF.
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Either way, the dood's got some serious screws rattling around in that space on top of his neck ...

It's curiously political-specific though, in non-political matters, he can be reasonably cogent. This indicates an acute trauma linked with a belief system. Probably related to parental units, or love issues. He feels betrayed, and found solace in swinging the pendulum of trust in the opposite direction.
(Yeah, I took Psych in college)

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good one, Kiki! How about



Thing is, at the very beginning, Romney DID say "running mate and vice president", then went into one of those endless political speaches, ending with the usual "now join me in welcoming..." and THAT's where he made the flub of calling Ryan "the next President". So they're both right. What's amusing is that it's the flub that is funny, and has been reported all over--yet another Romney gaffe--and yet Raptor,whether he only heard the first time, heard the second time wrong, or was desperate to refute Romney looking stupid, felt the need to try and demean Mike and call him a liar. I don't know which--it's hard to imagine he wasn't hanging on Romney's every word and might have actually missed it, but equally hard to believe he'd make a fuss about something that was quite clearly out there for anyone to hear.

I guess just most of all, he needs help. Which we all knew already.

The irony is, they're BOTH right. Initially Romney said it right, then said it wrong. Really important, eh wot?




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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good one Chris, too!

Just 'cuz:

On the matter of Ryan, he may not have it so good with the Catholics after all. From back in April:
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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), chairman of the House budget committee, knew some Catholics were spoiling for a fight with him Thursday when he was scheduled to speak at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution. Nearly 90 faculty members and administrators sent him a letter expressing concerns with his recent comments that his proposed budget, which includes massive spending cuts to programs for the poor but not a single tax increase, was inspired by his Catholic faith.

"I am afraid that Chairman Ryan's budget reflects the values of his favorite philosopher Ayn Rand rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ," said Father Thomas Reese, a fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown, in a press release Tuesday. "Survival of the fittest may be okay for Social Darwinists but not for followers of the gospel of compassion and love."

The complaints seemed to resonate with Ryan. On Thursday, he went on record denouncing Ayn Rand, who believed altruism is evil, brushing off his well-documented obsession with her as a teenage romance. Ryan told the National Review's Robert Costa: "I reject her philosophy. It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas. Don't give me Ayn Rand."


The last is truly an amusing Romney-esque flip-flop, given his previous infatuation with Rand:[
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Representative Paul Ryan, also of Wisconsin, requires staffers to read Atlas Shrugged, describes Obama’s economic policies as “something right out of an Ayn Rand novel,” and calls Rand “the reason I got involved in public service.”

"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," Ryan said at a D.C. gathering honoring the author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead." ...

At the Rand celebration he spoke at in 2005, Ryan invoked the central theme of Rand's writings when he told his audience that, "Almost every fight we are involved in here on Capitol Hill ... is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict--individualism versus collectivism."

The core of the Randian worldview, as absorbed by the modern GOP, is a belief that the natural market distribution of income is inherently moral, and the central struggle of politics is to free the successful from having the fruits of their superiority redistributed by looters and moochers.

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It’s understandable why Ryan would back off his former political muse. She described altruism as “evil,” condemned Christianity for advocating compassion for the poor, viewed the feminist movement as “phony,” and called Arabs “almost totally primitive savages.”

Despite Ryan’s newly-professed distaste for Rand, were she alive today, she would likely applaud Ryan for his draconian GOP budget, which cuts food stamps and other programs for the poor, ends Medicare as we know it, gives $3 trillion in tax breaks for corporations and the rich, and raises taxes on the poorest Americans.


So now he's distancing himself from that; he and Romney are a matched set.

Did he not UNDERSTAND what Ayn Rand was saying, or is his "Christianity" that skewed, I wonder...




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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:28 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gawd, there's a MILLION of 'em out there! Wonder if this presages anything?















...and, one can only hope, the definitive word on the subject:







Okay, I've had my fun, I'm off to bed. Enjoy.


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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29 PM

HKCAVALIER


The Republicans seem to have completely forgotten who they are and how they win. Republicans never run on policy, they never win on policy. They win on wedge issues. And now, they're thinking they can treat the economy like a wedge issue. Ain't gonna work.

Ryan's plan is a transparently vicious corporate give away. He & Mitt will now be hammered on Medicare and Social Security and the last bastion of Romney's faithful, retired white Americans will have a reason to stay home this fall. So long Florida, it was nice knowin' ya!

The GOP seems totally incapable of anything but disastrous blunders this time out. And it shows that Mitt has absolutely no confidence that the base will be there for him, if he chooses this Ayn Rand groupie with this straight forward attack on the middle and lower classes he calls a budget.

Really, I think they've been spending so many years bullshitting the American people and winning, they're bullshitting themselves now--with very impressive results!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:30 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Amen. And Good Night. ;o)


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Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:59 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Amen. And Good Night. ;o)


Ditto, and ditto.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Rush Dittoheads

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Funny thing is, Niki, if Ayn Rand were still alive today, she'd STILL be on Social Security and Medicare, just like she was when she died, alone, miserable, and penniless, all but forgotten by her "friends" who wouldn't lift a finger to help her lest she think them weak for doing so.

She lived and died a miserable life and a miserable person, and that's exactly the life Paul Ryan wants for every American.

Funnier still is how quickly Ryan is now trying to distance himself from the person he credits for shaping most of his views.

Of course, he also took Social Security after his father died. He, like Rand, was willing to be a "leech" and "parasite" on society, and take the hand-outs and bailouts from the government, and now that he's got his, he wants nothing more than to make sure that no person who makes less than $250,000 per year is ever again helped by our government, unless it's "help" in the form of bombs being dropped on them by unmanned drones.



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Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, and then there's this, from Ryan's high school yearbook.




Explains how he got where he is despite never really holding a private-sector job or doing anything worthwhile.



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Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Romney & Ryan in earlier days:





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:41 PM

1KIKI

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis


Chris, is all
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52733&mid=9
07377#907377


"He's all about convincing HIMSELF.

It's curiously political-specific though, in non-political matters, he can be reasonably cogent. This indicates an acute trauma linked with a belief system. Probably related to parental units, or love issues. He feels betrayed, and found solace in swinging the pendulum of trust in the opposite direction."


FremD
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52686&p=2

Simple Explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/rwa/
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Mind you, I personally consider it a mental disorder, your mileage may vary.
Basically they're Brownshirts, and whether or not its an easy one, it's a CHOICE.

And yes, he is mostly trying to convince HIMSELF, most of em are, cause to face the ugly truth means admitting that some substantial part of their life, their whole personhood, was based on lies.
They cannot abide this, so mentally they choose to go down with the ship, destroying all they can reach along the way in a fit of epic petulism closer to a toddler tantrum than anything actually sane.

-Frem


So little Rappy is in a big pout?




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Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:17 PM

REDREAD

The poster formerly known as yinyang.


Kiki -

I don't like to analyze other posters, but I'll make this one exception because I just had a light bulb moment, and I don't feel it's particularly uncharitable to anyone.

Auraptor's behavior in political threads reminds me a lot of salespeople I've worked with and heard about. Coworker or potential customer, salespeople can lie to you about something when the truth's staring you in the face, and they'll refuse to back down from it. If salespeople thought they could sell people the idea that the sky was green, they would. After all, "Your perception of reality is your reality"* is not an uncommon slogan in sales.

Auraptor reminds me of a retailer trying to push a clunky, overpriced recliner as the most in-demand, comfortable piece of furniture in the world. And most people here aren't buying it.

Now, as to why he might be pushing his ideas so hard, I don't know. As far as I can tell, salespeople seem to be motivated by profits, social status, and fear of losing either. Maybe something could be extrapolated from there?


*Quoted from here: http://completelyfreesalesadvice.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/a-post-about
-sales-peoples-beliefs-dictating-what-they-can-sell



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Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The average person "will pay $6,000 more a year" under Rep. Paul Ryan's Medicare proposal. - Tim Ryan on Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 in a speech in the House of Representatives



Quote:

Rep. Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Niles, Ohio, shares a last name with House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, but the pair don’t share the same vision for Medicare, the U.S. government’s health insurance program for the nation’s elderly and chronically disabled.

Republican Paul Ryan’s budget blue print suggests retaining the current Medicare system for people who are currently over age 55 but giving future retirees a "premium support payment" they could use to purchase private insurance, prompting Democrats to accuse the GOP of attempting to dismantle Medicare. Those on the House Energy and Commerce Committee even put out a report that purports to outline the amount of extra Medicare costs that the new program would require taxpayers in every congressional district to pay.

Tim Ryan, whose office frequently gets phone calls meant for the other Ryan, took to the House floor on May 24 to denounce the GOP plan. He argued that the value of the proposed vouchers would not keep pace with heath care costs because they’d be linked to the Consumer Price Index, which hasn’t risen as fast as health care costs.

"The average person going into this Medicare proposal will pay $6,000 more a year," Ohio’s Ryan said in his speech.

Would the GOP plan escalate yearly out-of-pocket health care costs for the elderly as significantly as Tim Ryan claims?

The budget by Wisconsin’s Ryan -- which he dubbed "The Path to Prosperity" -- argues that Medicare won’t be able to meet the needs of current seniors or future generations without reforms. It aims to balance the federal budget by slicing $5.8 trillion in government spending over 10 years, reforming taxes and trimming the growth of entitlement programs including Medicare.

An analysis from the Congressional Budget Office estimates that Ryan’s plan would accomplish its budget balancing goals, putting the budget into a surplus by 2040, and reducing federal debt to about 10 percent of Gross Domestic Product by 2050. Much of that would be accomplished by reducing the government’s costs for Medicare.

Currently, Medicare is a "fee for service" program, which pays health care providers for each procedure or visit. Instead, Paul Ryan wants the government to issue a subsidy that will pay part - but probably not all - of the cost of a person’s health insurance. The size of that subsidy would depend on the beneficiary’s income and health status.

Ryan’s GOP "Path to Prosperity" document calls Medicare a "top-down, government-run system" marked by unnecessary tests, redundant treatment and an inefficient bureaucracy that bungles billings and misplaces records. It contends the system’s "open-ended blank-check commitments to reimburse health-care providers for services" creates incentives for them to bilk the government. Such flaws drive up costs, threatening to "bankrupt the system - and ultimately the nation," the budget document says.

Starting in 2022, Paul Ryan’s budget blueprint calls for enrolling new Medicare beneficiaries in a program that would pay "a Medicare premium-support payment" to an insurance plan "chosen by the beneficiary, subsidizing its cost." Existing Medicare beneficiaries could stay in the traditional fee-for-service Medicare plan, or enroll in the new program. The age for Medicare eligibility would ratchet up by two month increments each year, until it reached 67 in 2033.

Analyses by the Congressional Budget Office, which does budgetary analysis for both parties in Congress, and by the Kaiser Family Foundation concluded that Medicare beneficiaries coming into the system after 2022 would spend significantly more for health care under the proposal from Wisconsin’s Ryan. Pegging the growth of the federal government’s Medicare payments to the Consumer Price Index will save the federal government money, but "expose beneficiaries to increasingly larger out-of-pocket costs and risks over time," the Kaiser report says.

"First, private plans would cost more than traditional Medicare because of the net effect of differences in payment rates for providers, administrative costs, and utilization of health care services," said CBO’s report on Paul Ryan’s plan. "Second, the government’s contribution would grow more slowly than health care costs, leaving more for beneficiaries to pay."

The CBO estimates the net federal premium support payments for a typical 65-year-old would be $8,000, or 39 percent of Medicare spending per enrollee, under the program that would be established by the GOP’s "Path to Prosperity." That means the total cost of providing health care benefits (premium and other costs) to a typical 65-year-old in such a plan would be about $20,500 in 2022. The beneficiary would pay $12,500 in out-of-pocket costs.

Using CBO projections, the folks at Kaiser did the math, and determined that if a person who turned 65 in 2022 were to remain in the traditional Medicare system, the out-of-pocket costs would be just $5,630 - a full $6,870 less than it would be under the new program.

Kaiser explains it would cost more money to provide benefits under the Republican proposal "because private plans have higher administrative costs and typically pay higher fees to providers than Medicare."

"While private plans may be able to achieve lower utilization through tighter costs and care management practices, the CBO believes the total costs of providing a similar benefit package would be higher under private plans than Medicare, and that the differential between the costs under traditional Medicare and the costs under private plans would widen over time," the Kaiser report says.

Paul Ryan’s proposal would reduce federal spending for Medicare by providing future beneficiaries with a fixed amount of money they could put towards an insurance premium, leaving them on the hook for significantly greater out-of-pocket payments than they’d pay under the current Medicare system.

In his speech, Tim Ryan said said that those new out-of-pocket costs would amount to $6,000 each year, a bit of less than what the CBO calculated. So although perhaps undersold, Tim Ryan’s claim is accurate with nothing significant missing for an understanding.

On the Truth-O-Meter, that rates as true.





http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jun/13/tim-ryan/rep-tim
-ryan-says-rep-paul-ryans-medicare-proposal
/





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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Where's Obama's HS yearbook page ?

Oh, that's right. To even ask such a thing is to be labeled a 'birther', a racist, and is considered by the MSM as to be hateful.

Got it.

And Medicare cuts ? After Obama has cut half a trillion dollars from Medicare to fund ObamaCare ? Wow... there really is no shame with the Democrats, is there ?

Unfuckingbelievable.

I can tell from the flurry of brazen, bald faced lies that have immediately appeared out of thin air concerning Ryan and his plan ( where's Obama's plan,btw ? ) , that the Dems are scared shit less, because they KNOW Ryan was the right choice. The result ( as seen by Kwickie ) is like a child throwing a temper tantrum, when he's being told it's time for bath. Thankfully, the adults will soon be in charge of DC.

Gonna be AWESOME !!!!

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Where's Obama's HS yearbook page ?

Oh, that's right. To even ask such a thing is to be labeled a 'birther', a racist, and is considered by the MSM as to be hateful.




Cites? Got any links to back up such an absurd assertion?

I've never heard anyone called a birther or a racist for asking to see Obama's yearbook page.





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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Asking anything about Obama's past has been twisted into being 'racist', by the MSM.

But I noticed, that instead of actually presenting anything on Obama's past, you simply dodge the question and deflect w/ another irrelevant side issue.



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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:26 AM

PENGUIN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


/B]



From Snopes...

The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself:

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me - an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."






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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Asking anything about Obama's past has been twisted into being 'racist', by the MSM.



Really? ANYTHING? So if I ask if it's true that Obama just turned 51, that's now racist? I'm asking a question about his past, so according to your accusations, that MUST be racist.

Huh. I literally have not heard that before. Maybe my MSM reports on different things than your MSM does.

Quote:


But I noticed, that instead of actually presenting anything on Obama's past, you simply dodge the question and deflect w/ another irrelevant side issue.



Might be because I don't happen to have Obama's yearbook page. Do you? You brought it up, after all. And I should note, you brought it up as a dodge and deflection, attempting to bring in yet another irrelevant side issue in a post about Paul Ryan.


Meanwhile, you still owe me an apology for calling me a liar when I posted information that was 100% factually accurate and verified by multiple sources.

Of course, I completely understand if you're too big a coward to admit your mistakes and apologize. We all understand your cowardice about such things, as we've seen it on display for years here.

Prove me wrong if you dare. Apologize, admit you were wrong, and let's move on.






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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Penguin:
From Snopes...

The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself:

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me - an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."





The same kind of "simple mistake" that is universally accepted by the right when Romney makes it on his tax returns when asked about his residency status. Of course, Romney's simple mistake also happens to have save him over $54,000 on his taxes, the kind of "simple mistake" that would result in an audit, heavy fines and penalties, and possible prison time for you and me!





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Penguin - This publicists STILL works for Obama.

Are you so gullible and naive to buy this simple " ooopsie! I goofed " line ?

I guess, if you're a fan of Obama, and his polices, you'll buy anything.



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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Might be because I don't happen to have Obama's yearbook page. Do you? You brought it up, after all. And I should note, you brought it up as a dodge and deflection, attempting to bring in yet another irrelevant side issue in a post about Paul Ryan.



Who DOES have a yearbook page of Obama? Most historic President in our time, and there's nothing , and yet you had no problem cut / pasting a pic of a HS yearbook page of some Congressman from Wisconsin ?

It's not irrelevant. No one knows much about the biography of this President, 3 1/2 years into his term, ( and when we do, it's got an oopsie error in it ) yet we know so much about Paul Ryan, on the very DAY he gets named as Romney's running mate ?

Please.

Quote:



Meanwhile, you still owe me an apology for calling me a liar when I posted information that was 100% factually accurate and verified by multiple sources.

Of course, I completely understand if you're too big a coward to admit your mistakes and apologize. We all understand your cowardice about such things, as we've seen it on display for years here.

Prove me wrong if you dare. Apologize, admit you were wrong, and let's move on.



You're half a liar. And for that, I am truly sorry.

And you're proven wrong, btw.

( that, I'm not sorry about )

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, that didn't take long, did it. Say anything about Ryan, and here comes the "But Obama..."

I dunno, Red, salesmen are usually out to sell you something, aren't they? Raptor is so "out there" and so aggressive about it and does it so poorly, I just can't imagine he's trying to sell anyone on anything...just stubbornly holding to whatever position he took, whether it makes sense or not. Eh...
Quote:

by Breitbart
Well, that explains THAT, if we're gonna let him sidetrack the discussion. Apparently it wasn't even on his book jacket, but was "a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991". HAH!

He's done an effective job of diverting everyone from Ryan, I see. And added another lie to his vast stack of them: " This publicists STILL works for Obama." That's a lie. She's a PARTNER at the Dystel & Goderich agency, and Obama is one of their clients. That's like saying Breitbart and the Daily Caller work for Romney...oh, wait, I guess they DO:
Quote:

Mitt Romney met with conservative bloggers and online writers in an effort to win over their election support and to discuss messaging for the campaign, as well as ways Romney could work more closely with bloggers. The meeting was held in secret and attendees were not allowed to write about it. Among those reportedly in attendance were representatives from the Daily Caller and Breitbart.com.
So now WE can say Breitbart works for Romney. Cool.

What's even more amusing than THAT is the hypocrisy of it all:
Quote:

The irony here is that during the summer of 2010 the Daily Caller and the Breitbart sites trumpeted for the weeks as very big news the fact that there once existed a private listserv where left-leaning opinion writers, activists, and academics engaged in running debates about current events.

According to Daily Caller and the Breitbart sites though, the forum, known as Journolist, represented the very epicenter of a vast left-wing cabal where news of the day was somehow filtered through the Democratic National Committee before being reported to the masses. It was a hotbed of liberal message coordination.

In 2010, The Daily Caller and the Breitbart blogs, along with the rest of the GOP Noise Machine, declared it was shocking that members of the liberal opinion press gathered online to argue, commiserate and organize.

Did we mention that representatives from Daily Caller and Breitbart.com met with Mitt Romney, in secret, to discuss campaign message coordination? And that they discussed ways the Romney campaign could work closer with the likes of Daily Caller and Breitbart.com to help disseminate opposition research on Obama? it is stunningly hypocritical for Daily Caller and Breitbart bloggers to participate directly in a secret message coordination session with a GOP candidate after having claimed message coordination was akin to treachery.

Hypocrisy, thy name is right wing.

But really, do we want to let Raptor keep on distracting us from such an enjoyable discussion of Romney's pick for V.P.? It's much more interesting than debunking Raptor's lies and responding to his idiocy, isn't it? Well...okay, I'll admit catching him in blatant lies and pointing out the various hypocritical aspects of the right is fun, too, but only a bit.

Let the baby stew in his own juices, there are much more interesting things to do here. Calling you "half a liar" is the closest he'll ever come to admitting ANY truths, so why bother?


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Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Getting back on topic, apparently Mamma Grizzly isn't all that impressed by Romney OR his V.P. pick:
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Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, had little to say to her 2012 counterpart in a statement released nearly twelve hours after Mitt Romney made his running mate announcement.

"Congratulations to Mitt Romney on his choice of Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate," Palin wrote in a statement, which mentioned Romney's name only four times and Ryan's name only three out of over 1,100 words. The statement was posted on her Facebook page.

Palin has endorsed candidates in races for the U.S. Senate, but has not formerly endorsed Romney. She said she voted for former GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich in the Alaska primary, and encouraged voters in early primary states to support him.

Palin recently made headlines after former Vice President Dick Cheney said in an interview that McCain's selection of Palin was a "mistake" for 2008 GOP presidential nominee John McCain - a notion on which she strenuously pushed back.

Awww, poor baby, she's pouting! Sour grapes, anyone?


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Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:44 AM

WHOZIT


He's a good pick because he isn't nutz like Biden or a creep like Edwards or a phoney like Gore. Where do you libs find these douchebags?

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ryan, by the numbers:

25% - The corporate tax rate under Ryan's budget plan.

80 - Years since a U.S. congressman was elected vice president. John Nance Garner, D-Texas, was FDR's running mate in 1932 and served until 1941.

9.4% - Unemployment rate in Janesville, Wisconsin, Ryan's hometown, in June 2012.

Apparently they'll be campaigning on "different tracks", which only makes sense--you don't want old wooden-Indian Romney messing up the youngster's charisma and reminding them of who the actual PRESIDENTIAL candidate is...
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Mitt Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, will campaign together in Wisconsin on Sunday, but going forward the two members of the newly formed Republican ticket will campaign "on different tracks," a Romney campaign adviser told reporters Sunday.

"It's likely that they'll be campaigning on different tracks until we get to the convention," Romney senior adviser Kevin Madden said, adding that the campaign saw the potential for Ryan to made inroads for the Republican ticket in the Great Lakes states.



I just don't get how so many (apparently??) can be so fired up about Romney, given how his plan will affect the vast majority of Americans.
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The most important decision Mitt Romney has made in his campaign so far, the selection of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan for his running mate, tells us two things -- and neither bears good news for the middle class.

First, Romney has fully and unequivocally embraced the extreme Ryan budget plan. Earlier this year, he called it "marvelous" -- now he's made it his own. The Romney-Ryan plan would throw seniors under the bus and undermine their health security by ending Medicare as we know it. It would increase health care costs for seniors, including those on fixed income, by thousands of dollars a year.
The extreme plan proposed by this year's Republican ticket would bring huge tax breaks to millionaires, paid for by tax hikes on the middle class, and massive cuts to investments that strengthen the middle class -- priorities like education, health care, energy and scientific and medical research. Whether you are a college student trying to pay for school, a veteran worried about your health benefits, or a senior worried about retirement security, the Romney-Ryan plan is bad news. It would have devastating real-world effects on people young and old across the country.

Romney and Ryan have put ideology ahead of what's right. They refuse to increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans under any circumstance -- not another dime, ever. Unlike the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan or the president's balanced plan to reduce the deficit that include asking everyone to pay their fair share, the Romney-Ryan budget would reduce the deficit on the backs of seniors and the middle class.

Even the U.S. Conference of Bishops admonished the Romney-Ryan plan. So did a group of nuns who recently traveled by bus across the country with the message that our budget is not just our country's fiscal map, it is our moral one. They rightly pointed out that, as it says in Corinthians, "If one part suffers, every part suffers with it, if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it."

On the political front, Ryan's selection is yet another sign that Romney is running to the far right and is the most extreme conservative candidate we have had in generations. The embrace of an ideologue like Paul Ryan may appeal to the Republican Party's Tea Party base, but it will completely alienate independent voters, especially in battleground states.

Seniors in Ohio and Florida have every reason to worry what a Romney-Ryan administration would do to them when Medicare is handed over to private insurance companies and Social Security is subject to the whims of Wall Street. Voters should also consider that, even as our nation faces threats of terrorism and remains at war, for the first time in modern presidential history the Republican ticket lacks any national security credentials. It's no coincidence, then, that its views on national security are dangerous and ill-considered.

Any voter wondering about our leaders' values should consider what they do in the room when the tough decisions are on the table. While President Obama was in the Oval Office, making the toughest calls any president has had to make -- how to save the economy from depression, rescue the American auto industry, bring affordable health care to millions of Americans or take out Osama bin Laden -- Paul Ryan was in a different room.

He was sitting side-by-side with fellow House Republican ideologues John Boehner and Eric Cantor as they risked the full faith and credit of the United States, regardless of what it would mean for the middle class, jobs and women's rights.

If there ever was a question about what this election is about, today's announcement answers it. Throughout this campaign, Mitt Romney has lacked a clear vision. Now he's embraced a radical ideologue with a dangerous one. This election is absolutely a choice between two visions for our country's future. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have solidified their roles as rubber stamps for the reckless and failed economic theories of the past.

Amen, and that's it in a nutshell. Are the right-wing extremists and Tea Partiers just the loudest part of the base, and the rest of them seeing reality, or are they so brainwashed, like Raptor, that they don't even KNOW what this ticket would presage??


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