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Nah, of COURSE racism is dead in America!

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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A Mississippi church that wouldn't allow a black couple to marry in its sanctuary because of the couple's race appears to be trying to right a wrong, as officials with the church's denomination decried the incident.

Charles and Te' Andrea Wilson, regular attendees at First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Mississippi, were forced to relocate their wedding this month at the last minute. Their pastor, Stan Weatherford, made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there, according to CNN affiliate WLBT.

Stan Weatherford, their pastor, performed the ceremony at a nearby church. Weatherford told CNN affiliate WLBT last week about why he agreed to move the wedding.

"I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te' Andrea," he said. "I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day."

When contacted Monday evening, Weatherford said the church would have no comment on the situation.

Copiah County Baptist Association Director George Pat Bufkin portrayed the move to deny the black couple a chance to marry in the church as the work of a small minority whom he called "radicals" and who he said made mostly anonymous calls to their pastor to complain about the black couple's wedding. Bufkin said he did not know who exactly was behind the calls.

"Everyone should understand that in the SBC this decision resides with the local congregation for good or ill. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,” said Richard Land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, criticized First Baptist's action.

Charles Wilson, the groom at the center of the controversy, said on Sunday, "All we wanted to do in the eyes of God was to be man and wife in a church that we thought we felt loved. What was wrong with that?"

Te'Andrea Wilson said, "I had dreams of having my wedding the way I wanted it, and I also dreamed of having it at the church and unfortunately, it didn't happen."

Her husband said if there was a time to "step up and be Christ-like," it was before their wedding.

"If it was such a minority of people, why didn't the majority stand up and say, 'In God's house we don't do this'?" Charles Wilson asked.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/30/church-that-barred-black-wedd
ing-affirms-commitment-to-equal-treatment/?hpt=hp_t3

UNfortunately, that small minority has been emboldened by the direction in which this country has been going. Me, I'm not surprised at all, and I won't be surprised to see more of this happening as time goes on. Well, it IS Mississippi, after all!

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

Well, it IS Mississippi, after all!



And there you have it.

But it's also a sign of what religion, be it in the Deep South or where ever, can have such a tight grip on some folks, they don't DARE speak out against what their dear leader says.

Be it in Guyana, Westboro,Kansas, Crystal Springs MS, or even a neighborhood church, located at 400 West 95th Street Chicago, Illinois 60628.




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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:43 AM

KPO

"Love is natural and real. But not for you my love. Not tonight my love..."


This isn't religion's fault 'raptor. Religion doesn't teach this. This is racism despite religion.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:
This isn't religion's fault 'raptor. Religion doesn't teach this. This is racism despite religion.

It's not personal. It's just war.



No one spoke up or out, did they? Save for the " leader ". Ugly racism? Yeah, likely. But I also see small minded followers who don't want to make waves.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by kpo:
This isn't religion's fault 'raptor. Religion doesn't teach this. This is racism despite religion.

It's not personal. It's just war.



No one spoke up or out, did they? Save for the " leader ". Ugly racism? Yeah, likely. But I also see small minded followers who don't want to make waves.





That's because they're most likely Republicans.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:31 PM

KPO

"Love is natural and real. But not for you my love. Not tonight my love..."


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No one spoke up or out, did they? Save for the " leader ". Ugly racism? Yeah, likely. But I also see small minded followers who don't want to make waves.


Don't get me wrong, the church has not covered itself in glory here. This is a pretty terrible advertisement for Christianity. But a desire to exclude black people does not come from religious zeal - it comes from racism. It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

That's because they're most likely Republicans.



Like the Phelps clan, in Kansas ? No... they're Democrats.

Like Rev Wright , in Chicago ? Umm... nope. Not Republicans either.


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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:

It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.




This, coming from the 'nuance' crowd ?

I guess that only applies for matters where YOU want to see things in...black or white, huh?


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:05 PM

KPO

"Love is natural and real. But not for you my love. Not tonight my love..."


Yes, I like nuance For the most part the world is complex, and nuance is needed. But even I don't like nuance so much that I'm happy for people to concoct it to avoid a simple reality that is staring them in the face.

I take it you're quite sensitive to people claiming that the Southern US is racist, Auraptor? You would rather find other extenuating circumstances, and explanations - like Christian fundamentalism, in this case?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's the common, quick conclusion that others jump to, that it was racism, and only racism at work here. The church isn't giving their POV, so it doesn't bode well for them. And yes, it IS Mississippi, the land perpetually stuck in the 1950's.

But yeah, I'm a bit sensitive to that point. Not because it isn't rooted in any historical basis, but the view that racism exists solely in the SE, and not anywhere else, as it absolutely does, across the USA. And the racists aren't always white. Anyone can be racist.


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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:07 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Wow!!!

There are racists in America!!

Gasp!!!

But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.

There's always gonna be racists, but that doesn't mean America is racist, anymore than the existence of PirateNews means America is antiSemetic.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!





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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:26 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Geezer:

But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.



The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Geezer:

But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.



The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage.



You mean the practice that goes against what humankind has engaged in since the dawn of civilization ?

It's not marriage.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And as usual, you can provide no evidence to support that claim that this is what has happened since the "dawn of civilization", can you?



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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by kpo:
Don't get me wrong, the church has not covered itself in glory here. This is a pretty terrible advertisement for Christianity. But a desire to exclude black people does not come from religious zeal - it comes from racism. It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.



I don't think this says one single bad thing about Christianity. Actually, I don't think it speaks one single bad thing about the church in question itself.

Sure, the church decided not to comment on the issue after the fact, but what incentive would they have to say anything about it? No matter what words they carefully chose to say, there would be some group of extreme Lefties using it as further leverage against that particular church and Christianity. Better not to say anything, I feel.

This was just a group of A-Hole racists who claim to be Christians. For all we know, it was not even adults, but kids who attended the church and anonymously threatened to ruin the wedding if it took place there.

The fact that the pastor himself had no issues marrying this couple and did the smart thing to relocate their wedding to more "neutral" ground, I think, speaks as pro Christianity through and through.

Had the pastor himself refused to marry the couple or just sent them to another church and washed his hands of the situation, I wouldn't be arguing the point here. If this wasn't just a "practical joke" that some kids or idiot drunks were playing and there is some serious danger involved, the Pastor may have put himself in harm's way by making sure that the couple was married at his hands without idiots ruining their special day.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:22 AM

CAVETROLL


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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Geezer:

But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.



The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage.


Like Obama was in 2008?


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:

Like Obama was in 2008?




LOL... I Know it stings... but he does have a point there......

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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a desire to exclude black people does not come from religious zeal - it comes from racism. It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.
Yup, KPO.

What gets me is for all the bullshit spouted, one thing isn't explained: If it WASN'T racism which made people say they didn't want to African Americans married in their church, WHAT WAS IT?? I can't wait to hear the explanation of that.

I should say up front that I took excerpts from the article to make my point...it wasn't to in any way deceive anyone, but for brevity, but I see there are points which now should be added because some people got the wrong idea:
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"Anytime the church grows you always have the devil there, trying to stir up problems," Bufkin said. "That's what occurred here and the deacons have already nipped that in the bud."

Jonathan Thompson, the 27-year-old community relations director for the city of Crystal Springs, was at First Baptist's Sunday service, and said the incident "didn't represent all the people of the church."

"I wanted to come as a voice of racial reconciliation and spiritual reconciliation," said Thompson, who is African-American, explaining his decision to go to the church on Sunday.

Thompson said he was welcomed at the service. "I was allowed to give the closing prayer," he said. He said he prayed God would forgive all of them for their sins and that they would be able to find reconciliation.

First Baptist's move to deny a wedding venue has been blasted by local and national officials with the Southern Baptist Convention, whose 16 million members make up the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

"Mississippi Baptists both reject racial discrimination and at the same time respect the autonomy of our local churches to deal with difficulties and disagreements under the lordship of Jesus," said Dr. Jim Futral, the executive director the Mississippi Baptist Convention.

"The SBC has taken a strong position that racism is a sin and Christians should always oppose it," he said, referring to the Southern Baptist Convention. "We're also grieved when a small group attempts to set policy for the entire congregation."

"There are valid as well as nonvalid reasons for not permitting a couple to get married with the blessing of that local congregation of believers," Land said. "The race or ethnicity of that couple is never a valid reason and any local body of believers who rejects a couple on those grounds should be reprimanded."

"Everyone should understand that in the SBC this decision resides with the local congregation for good or ill. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,” Land's statement continued.

On Sunday, some church members reacted to news of the wedding with surprise. Many hadn't known what happened to the Wilsons until they heard about it on the news, and offered apologies.

"I would say I'm sorry this happened and would you forgive the people who caused it? Because we're gonna try to," Bob Mack told CNN affiliate WLBT.

There is slightly more on the site itself, if anyone would care to read it. Here I've selected material to show that the church is upset this has happened, is fully against racism, and that MANY of the congregants didn't complain because they didn't KNOW; as you can see, once they did, they were angry. I chose the excerpts I did initially because the point was that racism is still alive and still has power in this country. I didn't intend for people to think the church in any way approved of what happened and was not taking action to apologize and speak up against it. This isn't about religion (except for the fact that some people are more racist than they are Christian).

I never said "America is racist"; I wrote racism ISN'T DEAD. Why do people immediately jump to that conclusion (which happened bef0re) rather than reading what's actually written? This is a perfect example that racism is still alive. It exists...and nobody that I know of believes it only exists in the South; it may exist MORE in the South, but the one thing that is true is that it is more OVERT in the South...if that weren't true, they wouldn't have to have changes to their voting rights approved by the fed because they've done so many things in the past which are overtly intended to restrict the rights of minorities to vote. As we can see, that aspects of it continues today.
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our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.
Absolutely, thank gawd. But that doesn't change the fact that people can still get away with infringing on the rights of others because of their racism.

Good one, Mark...homophobia will also still be alive and well in America for a long, long time to come, just as racism is.
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If this wasn't just a "practical joke" that some kids or idiot drunks were playing
There is absolutely NO evidence it was anything of the sort, and the odds are very much against it having been this. Aside from which, whatever age the complainers were, it's wrong, which is what we're debating.

As to Obama changing his mind, there are millions of people around this country who have had opinions on this which have changed over time, possibly because they know some gay people, maybe even because they thought about it and (gasp!) changed their mind. I could put up a chart about how the American people's minds have changed over time on gay marriage, but why bother? The idea that anyone should be castigated for changing their minds over time is ludicrous on its face. Obama clearly said he'd given it much thought and changed his mind...at least he didn't deny his previous stance as if it didn't exist, like someone else we could mention.


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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:28 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Geezer:

But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.



The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage.


Like Obama was in 2008?


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons



And now says he was wrong - so, not so much. Im speaking more of the deeply entrenched bigots.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
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If this wasn't just a "practical joke" that some kids or idiot drunks were playing


There is absolutely NO evidence it was anything of the sort, and the odds are very much against it having been this. Aside from which, whatever age the complainers were, it's wrong, which is what we're debating.




There is, at the same time, absolutely NO evidence it was not anything of the sort. Things being "against all odds", never stopped Phil Collins...





As far is "it being wrong", that's NOT what we're debating Niki. You obviously didn't read anything else of my post and just skimmed it.

Take away anything I said about "possibilities" as far as who made the complaints and re-read my post.

THE FACT THAT THE PASTOR OF THIS CHURCH PUT HIS LIFE POTENTIALLY IN JEOPARDY BY MARRYING THIS COUPLE IN ANOTHER CHURCH STATES MUCH MORE FOR CHRISTIANITY THAN IF HE WERE TO TELL THEM "GOOD LUCK" AND LET THEM FIND ANOTHER CHURCH.


No wonder people get frustrated here.

People find one single sentence in an essay's worth of posts and try to prove an entire argument incorrect.

I can't blame you, living in this world of mindless sound bytes we live in today...


"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I read your entire post; I rejected it.

He should not have refused to marry them, and he DID send them to another church (tho' I know what you were implying); both go directly against Christian teachings. To make the argument that he was in any way in the right to do what he did is fallacious. All parties from the church have expressed regret that it happened...in other words, even in their opinions, he was wrong. Perhaps you missed
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First Baptist's move to deny a wedding venue has been blasted by local and national officials with the Southern Baptist Convention, whose 16 million members make up the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,”

You don't apologize if you weren't wrong. Period. THEY made no such arguments that he was doing it to avoid any kind of "threats".

To pull it having been "kids" playing a prank out of your ass is just that--pulling a supposition out of your ass to make an irrelevant point. The complaints were made; the pastor acted as he did. He could easily have brought it to the attention of his higher ups AND his congregation and asked them to come together in support of the couple. He didn't think it through completely.

You are attempting to come up with arguments to strengthen you position. Neither one works. To leap to the conclusion that THREATS were made is incorrect; there is no mention anywhere of any threats, just complaints. And the pastor didn't move the wedding to avoid any threats, he said
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"I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te' Andrea," he said. "I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day."
Obviously he envisioned "controversy", not "threat" and never mentioned any such thing, merely that he wanted it to go smoothly and not have problems.
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made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there.
No threats, no intimidation, merely "some" congregants who didn't want them married there. I have no doubt if there had been any kind of threats, he would have said so to further explain his actions.

You're leaping to things which aren't there. You've created a scenario where either some "kids or drunks" made some kind of crank calls with statements which portended actual harm if the wedding were held there. The fact is that the pastor said it was "some congregants"--ergo, he no doubt knew who those congregants, there is no mention of phone calls at all.

You can't just make up things which are not fact to make your argument, it doesn't work that way.


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Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I won't even read further Niki....

THE PRIEST WENT TO ANOTHER CHURCH WITH THEM AND MARRIED THEM!!!!

Nuff said.

I won't even post more so you can further bastardize this idea. He is a pillar in the community and HE STOOD BY HIS BELIEF and made the marriage happen under his watch even if it didn't happen under HIS HOUSE!

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I could probably make that post even more simple for you to understand, but it would be very hard for me to find nothing but one syllable words to convey the idea.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hooo-kay, that's the end of that. I showed enough respect to read your entire post; obviously you don't feel the same. Therein, I explained why your extrapolations were erroneous, and provided facts and valid reasoning. I've been trying to be civil, can't say I didn't try. But communication and civil debate is obviously impossible. Works for me.


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Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Hooo-kay, that's the end of that. I showed enough respect to read your entire post; obviously you don't feel the same. Therein, I explained why your extrapolations were erroneous, and provided facts and valid reasoning. I've been trying to be civil, can't say I didn't try. But communication and civil debate is obviously impossible. Works for me.





You read my post and twice took a part of it that didnt' matter, and made that the basis of your reply to me..... twice

Please, forget that I ever even mentioned the possibility that it was punk kids (even though it could have been) and instead consider that it was the most evil racist people you could imagine in your most outlandish nightmares.

In that scenario, which I assume you're assuming is what happened..... where do we go from there?



If we're truly talking about the souless backwoods redneck types that often show themselves on "Justified" or did on "Deadwood"... well......

What benefit would there be for anyone if the marriage was held in that church?

1) Would the Bride and Groom TRULY feel so strong in their convictions that they SHOULD be able to get married in that church that they'd be willing to potentially sacrafice their own lives and possibly the lives of any single one of their black friends and family members who showed up?

2) Would the Church in question benefit at all if it went through with the marriage and some rabid racist idiots killed the Bride and Groom and/or any single black participant or spectator to the wedding?

3) If these weren't just kids or drunkin' racisit idiots making the calls, and they really meant business, how do you think race relations in general would proceed in the area after the fallout?


My answers to this, although they're all as theoretical as the questions....

1) No..... These were two people in love. They wanted to get married. "We're the same religion, we go to the same church, let's get married at the church we go to already".

"Oops... Still a lot of redneck haters here. Make a note to tell the gays not to even THINK about getting married in this church, let alone any mixed-marriages".

"No.... I think I'd like to have kids and grow old with you and see our grandchildren graduate college, and I don't think a potential bloodbath would make for a great Wedding DVD".


2) "I'm the Church. Why should I want this wedding to happen here? Lefties are going to hate me if the wedding happens somewhere else or even more if black people get killed because of it. Since it's going to look bad for me either way, I'm going to try to bite the bullet and save Christianity from a PR standpoint because in the end it would look MUCH worse if a beautiful young black couple got killed in my house."

3) Are you kidding me? Might as well throw that county back into 1950's race relations after those shots were fired.




In the end, the Priest did everything right in my eyes. He didn't back away like a coward. He potentially saved a lot of lives, and the implied value of the future lives that might have been lost if something nasty here truly went down.


Really, he's the one who's in danger now. If the people who made the phone calls really meant business, he may have put his own life in Jeopardy by making sure this couple not only got married, but had a joyous occasion free from any drunk redneck racists crashing the party.




Now do you understand my post Niki?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, August 3, 2012 5:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This is the last time I will address this, as you are obviously stuck on your own imagination of the situation. NOWHERE were threats given, or even INTIMATED. The pertinent part you keep choosing to ignore is that the report said "made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there." Nobody threatened anyone, nobody said they'd kill anyone. You wanna envision a bunch of rabid racists who made threatening phone calls or sent obscene letters? Go ahead. It didn't happen.

So I'll envision a number of his congregants pulling him aside after service, or phoning him, or going to his office and saying "Look, marrying this couple in our church is wrong, and there are MANY of us who think so and will be upset if you go on with it. Let them be married in another church, this is OUR church and we don't want them here." Thinking a large number of his congregation were of this mind (when it could have been only a few people, the pastor did as requested. End of story.

As it said clearly in the article, when the MAJORITY of the congregation heard about it, they were angry. So unless you can show evidence that there were threats involved, MUCH LESS death threats, my version is more accurate ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS REPORTED. If there had been death threats or anything like that, I have no doubt the news would have eaten it up like candy and it might even have been a national issue. I base my conclusion on that and what WAS reported; you're letting your imagination run wild with some kind of dramatic scenario which has no basis. I will not continue to debate your imagination with facts, so that's it for me.


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Saturday, August 4, 2012 4:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


If there were no threats, than this wasn't a post even worth posting Niki....

Don't pin this on me.

You're the one wasting all of our time here....



Maybe it was just a case then of a priest who was the "Cowardly Lion" and had it done elsewhere.

Either way, they had a happy marriage....

In the end, I don't see anything bad for them or anything damning to Christianity....

Good for them for getting married, and good for the priest for making it happen the easiest way possible, right?????


That is of course, if it's the married couple's future we're talking about, and not some much larger Left Wing Agenda that you're using them for?

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Friday, August 10, 2012 2:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


6 days and no reply from Niki....

I take it that you understand where I'm coming from then?

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Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:30 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Really awful, yucky that people would do that. Luh suh.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Really awful, yucky that people would do that. Luh suh.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya




I agree Riona,

I also think that the Priest did what he felt was best, and in the end the situation was good for everyone.



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