REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Batman Shooting

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Sunday, August 12, 2012 18:15
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 17364
PAGE 4 of 4

Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:04 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... someone from another country ..."
Australia, I think, perhaps NZ.



Geez, I must really make an impact around here. There are two of us on this thread that are not US. Myself and Peacekeeper. Peacekeeper is from UK and I am Australian.

I read Peacekeepers posts, and he did not appear to be calling for a ban on American guns, he just finds the debate a bit of a no brainer. As do I.

I do not advocate an outright ban on guns in the US because I don't think it would work given the intensity of the emotion around this issue, and the feelings re the 2nd amendment. I don't really feel like I have the right to call for any changes to gun laws, as I don't live there, but I do find the debate puzzling, coming from a society where there is not that many guns in circulation.

Guns are not bannned here either, just hard to obtain. I am happy about that, but its a different society, differnet culture, clearly.



"Non-gun people frequently put ink to paper with nothing but myth and innuendo in their bra(i)ns, and they are generally NOT interested in the points of view or arguments of gun-people."

Oh dear, that is how I see the pro gun lobby, seriously distorting stats and situations. I've seen propaganda from the NRA about my own country that is completely ludicrous.





NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 5:57 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
We don't know what kind of orderly Troll was, so why are we assuming ill of him...



Because he falsely intimated professional expertise with spree killers.


Originally posted by CaveTroll:
When I worked in mental health I worked with 2 spree killers.






I worked with a total of 4 people found not guilty by reason of insanity for murder. How many have you had contact with? 2 of them were spree killers. One of the NGRI patients had killed 2 people in the hospital I worked at. Believe me when I say I took my contact with them VERY seriously.

Do you think it takes a medical degree to spot mental illness? If so, then we are well and truly fucked. Because then there's no way to stop people like the Aurora shooter.


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 7:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There was a recent "Through the Wormhole" about the nature of evil and whether it could be eliminated, which I just watched. It was quite fascinating. One neuroscientist was working on experiments in stimulating the region of the brain believed to be the center of altruism, making test subjects more willing to compromise. Another was developing a "frontal lobe gym" to train people to be better at impulse control through the use of biofeedback on what their brains were doing. A third scientist had studied the brains of psychopaths, found a distinct pattern in their anatomy, and was speculating on whether these people were always criminals and killers until he came to find out he, himself, had the very same brain anatomy. Apparently he is very driven and can be manipulative, but he isn't a killer because he was raised in a good environment. He also believes that there might be ways to turn the inactive areas of the brain on again. It was all very, very interesting. Even more interesting in the face of this event. This guy was a neuroscience student. I wonder how many of his classmates finished reeling from the shock and then thought, "Wow, wonder what his brain activity is like."
(This was also an extremely weird and terrible way for me to find out that there's a very prestigious neuroscience program in my home state, but I might have to look into it.)



Phoenixrose ?
(and I really, REALLY hope this doesn't get lost in the back and forth here)

I had a bit of an interest in this kinda thing in late-middle, early-high school, and discovered something which most modern psychologists are still either in denial about, or just finally coming around to realizing.

Now, the schools that I went to, the second-chance and various deliquent traps I wound up stuck in, often for the henious crime of self-defense in open defiance of the tacitly accepted brutal pecking order more appropriate to the penal system, for a fact *did* have a higher percentage of failed sociopaths (cause successful ones are rarely detected) than the general population, but here's the ringer...

Taken in context with what that percentage of general population apparently was, there were TOO MANY, if the percentage was as large as it seemed, society simply could not function, there simply wouldn't be enough cooperation for it to work, so there had to be another factor - and indeed there was, see, the actual born-that-way sociopath is extremely, EXTREMELY rare.

What is far, far more common, is people who emulate sociopathy because that is the fastest road to "success" in our society, and children emulate those who they see as successful, who they see held up as role models or exemplars of behavior - which over time has lead generationally to our society downright glorifying this behavior, lauding it as something worthy even as they throw a few desultory bits of lip service around about how awful it is, but kids see right through that.

And so what do they do - they strive to *BE* that way, both consciously and subconsciously, which winds up hedging their personality closer and closer to it, and past a certain point, usually post-puberty, this begins to exponentially calcify until it more or less becomes their personality, what some might call "becoming the mask" as it were.

So most of this, it's LEARNED BEHAVIOR, both by external influence and internal self-conditioning, it's not that there's this inexplicable plethora of sociopaths so much as we create them via our society - I wrote a paper on this under a pseudonym "Learned Sociopathy as a psychological defense mechanism" and to say it was less than well-recieved is a severe understatement.
In fact, the extremity of the knee-jerk, overblown reactive flaming rather convinced me I had struck a nerve, and a deep one.

That's actually kind of my key to winding up and sabotaging enablers, the weakness that I exploit isn't that their sociopaths, but that they are NOT, and so trolling that tiny remaining core of humanity just enough so they will always be plagued by too much hesitancy and doubt to make good stormtroopers is remarkably effective - that this dooms them to be despised by all means naught to me, since despite all this, outside of the born-that-way sociopath (again, astoundingly rare) this is a CHOICE.
No, people cannot choose their nature, sure - but they can choose their BEHAVIOR, just cause it ain't easy doesn't mean it's not a choice, and to follow the path of least resistance right down the slippery slope because it's easy, and rewarding, while being decent is hard and unrewarding, is no excuse - it ain't supposed to be that way, we made it that way, cause otherwise nature wouldn't have hardwired us for cooperation and empathy.

What compounds this is of course the massive onslaught of psychotropic drugs, cause if a child never has to control their impulses, due to the crutch of medication, that part of the brain atrophies like an unused muscle, and when that crutch is removed, the consequences are obvious - not to mention the X-factor of using off-label drugs without concern to longterm or other effects.

That goes hand in hand with the conditioning (intentional or otherwise) cause those who defy said conditioning, the pecking order, who break ranks - they get labelled problems and medicated, and if that don't work... the hellcamps.
So is it any wonder to see, when that is held up as the alternative to playing along, that many children play along, to the point where they become sociopathic via learned-behavior-conditioning ?

And it don't stop there neither - as I like to point out, NONE of this crap, from the bullying to the conditioning, actually stops at graduation, it becomes part of the community, the local corporate culture, and eventually all of society.

Anyhows, there it is - and the thing of all this....
Those that act out, that commit horrors, that flagrantly self-destruct, they do so because they are NOT sociopaths, and this places their natural impulses in direct conflict with the personhood they have built, the pressure of which eventually warps them beyond tolerance and makes them psychologically implode.
See, the more you suppress those natural impulses, the more twisted the form when they finally become expressed, again, as I have said many times.

So for most people, whether it is easy or not, whether it is profitable or punished, it's STILL A CHOICE, and they CHOSE this path, which limits my sympathy for them.

-Frem


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 7:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Addendum to that: Genetics loads the gun, Environment pulls the trigger.
No matter what predispositions someone has, a caring environment and emotional support (you know, the things our society scorns as coddling or weakness) can do a lot to mitigate a violent or hostile nature.

-F

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 7:58 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-w
orld-order.html


James Holmes was paid $176,000 in 2012 by Hussein Obama Soetoro's National Institutes of Health to perform mind control research in neuroscience and to teach university students as a professor on salary. Holmes previously was employed by DARPA at the Pentagon for mind control reserch to make Super Soldiers who kill without pain and feel no remorse, because they have drug-impaired amnesia. Now Holmes has amnesia. Eyewitnesses told ABC News the actual shooter was 6 inches shorter than Holmes, and police radio scanner tapes reveal police were looking for 2 shooters AFTER Holmes was "arrested" because he parked beside the exit door and was calmly sitting in his car WITHOUT any weapons or combat (actually EVERYBODY was arrested and not allowed to leave). Holmes never allegedly dressed as a Joker and had the wrong hair color (red not green), but THE SHOOTER DID DRESS AS A POLICE OFFICER. Aurora Municipal Corporation has an unconstitutional ordinance banning all citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights by carrying a handgun WITH a Colorado handgun carry license. So Colorado citizens WITH handgun carry licenses were technically banned from defendign themselves in the Aurora Victim Disarmamanet Zone (except all unconstitutional laws are void from inception, US Supreme Court, DC vs Heller).



12 victims died in the Batman Massacre...what a COINCIDENCE Lil Wayne Video Featured Exactly 12 Skeletons in a Theater 3 Days Prior to Batman Massacre!




Quote:

"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, massmurdering terrorist of Operation Fast and Furious and the OK City Bombing, CSPAN2, 1985

Colonel Ed O'Connell: Blackwater is "whacking people like crazy" for Obama and the CIA (in Colorado?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-terrifying-bac
kground-of-the-man-who-ran-a-cia-assassination-unit/259856
/

Mexican official: CIA 'manages' drug trade in Mexico in Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152715628181.
html


Mexico has yet to ID any of the 49 headless bodies found 2 months ago in the Mexican Gun Ban Victim Disarmament Zone
http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_21147259/mexico-has-yet-i
d-any-49-bodies-found






"Art" at genocidal UN HQ built on slaughterhouse donated by Rockefller jew banksters

Bombshell: Leaked UN Treaty Does Ban Guns in USA signed by Obama THIS WEEK !!!!
Orwellian Double-Speak "Individual rights of STATES" (NATIONS) to start WARS without other nations is OK !!!!!!
Only STATES (NATIONS) have a right to self defense, not individual persons !!!!!!!
"Collective rights" defined as NATIONS joining other nations to start WARS is OK
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gun-treaty-does-ban-guns/

Obama's Communist Weather Underground terrorist bombers wanted to kill 25 million US citizens in concentration death camps, says FBI agent infiltrator who sent them to prison for killing cops and bombing the Pentagon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113455/posts




How many FFFs will die when Dictator Hussein Obama's Gun Ban Treaty is implemented by martial law?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 3:25 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



MKULTRA means your governments love you!

Shooting suspect James Holmes was treated by university psychiatrist Dr Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical
school and the director of student mental health services, specializes in schizophrenia, chief of physical medicine with the U.S. Air Force in San Antonio, Texas (where MKULTRA Project Monarch brainwashing takes place, especially with Basic Military Training recruits).
HOLMES OR SOMEBODY SENT HER A LETTER TO STOP THE MASSACRE BUT SHE REFUSED TO OPEN HER MAIL........
WOW NOW SHE CAN ADD THE BATMAN MASSACRE TO HER RESUME AND GET A BIG PROMOTION!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/27/us/colorado-theater-shooting-psychiatris
t/index.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-trea
ted-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/404650-motion-for-immediate-pro
duction-of-all-discovery.html



Dr Lynne Fenton was chief MKULTRA for the U.S. Air Force in San Antonio, Texas and Dark Knight Massacre

Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West, the court appointed psychiatrist for all recent "lone nut" killers and chief of MKULTRA brainwashing, was in the U.S. Air Force Medical Corps and Chief of Psychiatry Service at the Lackland Air Force Base, San Antonio, Texas.
http://www.whale.to/b/west_q.html
http://www.reflectionsinthenight.com/psychiatric_abuse.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Jolyon_West
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread621607/pg1





AMNESIA: James Holmes Is Behaving Like Sirhan Sirhan, asks jailers, "Why am I here?"
http://www.infowars.com/james-holmes-is-behaving-like-sirhan-sirhan/

Quote:

During the Second World War Cameron began working for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). However, in 1943 he went to Canada and established the psychiatry department at Montreal's McGill University and director of the newly-created Allan Memorial Institute.

Cameron continued to work for the OSS and in November 1945, Allen Dulles sent him to Germany to examine Rudolf Hess in order to assess if he was fit to stand trial at Nuremberg. According to one source, Dulles had told Cameron, that he believed the Hess he was about to examine was not the real Hess and that he had already been executed on the orders of Winston Churchill. (Gordon Thomas, Journey into Madness, 1993, pages 167-68).

It has been argued by John Simkin that Cameron might have been sent to Nuremberg to help the British intelligence services with a problem concerning the real reasons why Rudolf Hess arrived in Scotland in May 1941. Cameron’s task was to remove Hess’s memory of past events. This is why in 1946 Hess was unable to recognize his former friends and colleagues such as Hermann Goering, Julius Streicher and Joachim von Ribbentrop. Cameron next job was to provide Hess with a new memory about events dating back to May 1941.

After the war Cameron worked at the Albany State Medical School. Cameron developed the theory that mental patients could be cured by treatment that erased existing memories and by rebuilding the psyche completely. According to his research assistant, Dr. Peter Roper, "He (Cameron) had a technician called Leonard Rubenstein who modified cassettes so there was an endless tape, it could keep repeating itself for hours at a time. If Cameron could give a positive message, eventually a patient would respond to it." Cameron would play the tapes to his patients for up to 86 days, as they slipped in and out of insulin-induced comas.

In the late 1940s Cameron developed a new treatment for mental illness. The authors of Double Standards argue that his "major inspiration was the British psychiatrist William Sargent, whom Cameron considered to be the leading expert on Soviet brainwashing techniques. Cameron took this work and used it for what he called 'depatterning'. He believed that after inducing complete amnesia in a patient, he could then selectively recover their memory in such a way as to change their behaviour unrecognisably."

In 1953 Cameron developed what he called "psychic driving". Cameron developed the theory that mental patients could be cured by treatment that erased existing memories and by rebuilding the psyche completely. According to his research assistant, Dr. Peter Roper, "He (Cameron) had a technician called Leonard Rubenstein who modified cassettes so there was an endless tape, it could keep repeating itself for hours at a time. If Cameron could give a positive message, eventually a patient would respond to it." Cameron would play the tapes to his patients for up to 86 days, as they slipped in and out of insulin-induced comas.

Cameron discovered that "once a subject entered an amnesiac, somnambulistic state, they would become hypersensitive to suggestion". In other words they could be brainwashed. The CIA became aware of Cameron's research and in 1957 Cameron was recruited by Allen Dulles, Director of the CIA, to run Project MKULTRA. Documents released in 1977 show that MKULTRA was a "mind control" program. As it was illegal for the CIA to conduct operations on American soil, Cameron was forced to carry out his experiments at the Allan Memorial Institute in Canada. The CIA arranged funding via Cornell University in New York.

Cameron had to commute to Montreal every week to carry out his work. According to official documents, Cameron was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKULTRA experiments at the Allan Memorial Institute. Documents released in 1977 revealed that thousands of unwitting subjects were tested on as part of the MKULTRA program.

Dr. Peter Roper later claimed that Cameron and his team had visits from senior military officers "who briefed us on brainwashing techniques". One newspaper journalist later claimed in The Sunday Times that "using techniques similar to those portrayed in the celebrated novel the Manchurian Candidate, it was believed that people could be brainwashed and reprogrammed to carry out specific acts."

According to the journalist, Craig Howie (The Scotsman, 6th January, 2006): "Roper blames politics in the psychiatric profession for Cameron's sudden departure under a cloud from the Allan, in 1964, four years before the end of his contract. There was no farewell, no gift, he went - as it were - out the back door without any noise. All his research was tossed out."

In 1961 Cameron was appointed as president of the World Psychiatric Association. He was also president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations.

After leaving MKULTRA in 1964, he returned to Albany as Research Professor at the Albany Medical School and Director
of the Laboratory for Research in Psychiatry and Aging at the Veterans' Administration Hospital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcameronDE.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra



















http://www.all-creatures.org/ha/img/vivisMonkey1.JPG



Isn't it lovely that your government can make YOU shoot up a movie theater, one way or another? How many waterboardings can YOU survive during a secret life sentence at Gitmo or some other secret CIA black site run by Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro?

How many cuts on your penis can YOU handle without anethesia?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/aug/02/terrorism.humanrights1

Vets Sue CIA Over Mind Control Tests
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/01/mkultra-lawsuit/

Quote:

COLORADO MASSACRE LINKED TO HISTORIC BANK FRAUD

His father, Dr Robert Holmes PhD, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.

The massive banking crime being investigated by the US Senate is called the LIBOR Scandal where UK banks fixed the London Interbank Borrowing Rate with the complicity of the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve (which knew about this crime for 4 years and didn’t report it) and many other major Western banks.

Even worse, according to this report, Holmes recently completed his work on what is called one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed that not only uncovered the true intent of this massive fraud, but is, also, able to trace the Trillions of Dollars “lost” to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who have stolen it.

Ministry intelligence officials note in this report that it is “no coincidence” that this Colorado massacre occurred within minutes of London’s Guardian News Service releasing their shocking report this past Saturday (21 July) titled “Wealth Doesn't trickle Down – It Just Floods Offshore, Research Reveals” as Robert Holmes algorithms were said used to discover this massive fraud scheme.

Equally curious to note about this massacre is that the American intelligence website TheIntelHub.Com in their 23 July article titled “Hallmarks of a False Flag: Colorado University Held Identical Drill on Same Day as Aurora Theater Mass Shooting, Mind Control, and Multiple Suspects” states that just mere hours before this shocking crime was committed the Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine was holding an identical drill that simulated a shooter in a movie theater.

The popular InfoWars.Com website further notes that “false flag” events such as the Colorado massacre are actively planned for by the US Army as noted in their training manual titled “Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces”.

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/war/terrorism_war/n
ews.php?q=1343231885



NATIONAL SECURITY? Colorado Batman shooting: judge prevents release of James Holmes school records
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9431817/Col
orado-Batman-shooting-judge-prevents-release-of-James-Holmes-school-records.html


Foreign Troops to Confiscate American Guns Under UN Treaty signed by Obama this week
http://www.infowars.com/foreign-troops-to-confiscate-american-guns-und
er-un-treaty
/




NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 4:48 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Professor Holmes' father, Dr Robert Holmes PhD, is reportedly scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world, LIBOR London Inter Bank Offered Rate scam, with $350-TRILLION in derivatives missing....

https://www.google.com/search?q=libor+bank&rls=com.microsoft:en-us
:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7DXTB_enUS469


Here's the news TODAY:

Quote:

(Reuters) - Britain's Lloyds Banking Group has received subpoenas from government agencies investigating a global interest rate rigging scandal that has rocked the banking industry and has not set any money aside to cover a potential fine, it said on Thursday.

Rival Barclays has been thrown into turmoil after being fined a record $453 million by U.S. and UK authorities for manipulating Libor interest rates. More than a dozen other banks are also being investigated and more fines are expected.

Lloyds, Britain's biggest retail bank, said in its 2011 annual report that it was a defendant in several Libor-related lawsuits. Research from Liberum Capital has suggested it could have to pay out up to 1.5 billion pounds ($2.3 billion).

"Certain members of the group have received subpoenas and requests for information from certain government agencies and are co-operating with their investigations," Lloyds said, while declining to give specific details.

On a conference call with reporters, Finance Director George Culmer said there was no need for the bank to set aside funds for potential litigation arising from the Libor affair.

"We are still part of an ongoing investigation and until the regulator is satisfied that that investigation is complete there is no point at this stage in thinking about or putting down a number," Culmer said.

The Libor interest rate is used as a benchmark in financial contracts worth hundreds of trillions of dollars. Barclays' chairman and chief executive have both resigned since the bank admitted its past involvement in manipulating the interest rate.

MORE COMPENSATION

Lloyds also reported first-half results just ahead of expectations and said it had set aside another 700 million pounds to compensate customers mis-sold insurance products - another scandal to have undermined trust in Britain's banks.

Compensation for mis-selling payment protection insurance (PPI) has now cost Lloyds some 1.075 billion pounds this year, and 4.3 billion pounds in total.

Lloyds said its underlying profit increased by 715 million pounds to 1.064 billion pounds in the first half, ahead of the average forecast of 1.03 billion, according to a poll of 20 analysts supplied by the company.

The PPI hit dragged the bank to a statutory loss of 439 million pounds.

Shares in Lloyds were down 0.7 percent to 29.64 pence at 0845 GMT, lagging a flat European bank index.

"Although Lloyds is our preferred domestic play, reflecting its lack of exposure to investment banking, we retain a hold stance reflecting the considerable uncertainty relating macroeconomic environment, regulation, the political environment and litigation risk," said Shore Capital analyst Gary Greenwood.

($1 = 0.6463 British pounds)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/26/us-lloyds-results-idUSBRE86P
08020120726





Quote:

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."



I guess he won't be testifying against the jew banksters now..... He got THE MESSAGE.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 5:55 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 6:34 PM

WISHIMAY

"Well, so long Earth...Thanks for the air... and what-not" -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Didja ever notice that the nations with the most HUMANE approaches to people actually have very LOW crime and violence rates?? (I point to Europe and MOST other developed nations as examples.)

Of course not!



Yer one of those people that see the world through rose colored lenses, aincha?? Yeah, we kill more people 'cause we got GUNS but people are just as violent pretty much everywhere.

http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/2003/7/26/american-vs-european-crime-rat
es
/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Eu
rope-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html



I think that's what the problem is with MOST of you. You still wanna believe that people are good natured and WANT to be good. Newsflash! They aren't!
The vast majority of people that stay straight do so because of FEAR. Because inside we are all little outnumbered kids who do what they're told and are afraid to step outside the line. People in general DON'T QUESTION because they simply DON'T WANT TO. (How 'bout Santa Claus for starters, let alone religion... )

Many of you can't even bring yourselves to look at the evil....the "not pretty" news reports. It's pretty much ALL I DO. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US IS A RAGING ID, WAITING TO BE PUSHED. I mean, just LOOK at Piratenews...You think he's the minority mind??? I hate to use pop culture to prove a point, but House is right, and Lie to ME was right.


EVERYONE LIES.

I am as sure of that as I am that a lot of you have done some pretty crappy stuff to other people, so let's just dispense with the piety here, shall we?
Ain't none here been "sainted."


And as much as I admit I would love to pick apart y'alls posts as obsessively as you gang up an nitpick on others'...I HAVEN'T BEEN HOME FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS, and when I was here I was in chat trying to actually BE HELPFUL, which I would rather be doing than standing around arguing.

Cause what you say here don't matter a shit, and what I say here don't matter a shit. This place ain't a job, don't accomplish much, and is just a distraction. That's it.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 7:21 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

I was here I was in chat trying to actually BE HELPFUL, which I would rather be doing than standing around arguing.


Hello,

I think trying to be helpful would require you to be more than a raging, evil id waiting to tear apart all that's decent in the world.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 7:25 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?



Hello,

It's a fucking chore scrolling through all that bullshit, ain't it? If I drank, it'd drive me to it.

--Anthony




Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 9:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Love it, Anthony :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 27, 2012 10:35 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I think that's what the problem is with MOST of you. You still wanna believe that people are good natured and WANT to be good. Newsflash! They aren't!
The vast majority of people that stay straight do so because of FEAR. Because inside we are all little outnumbered kids who do what they're told and are afraid to step outside the line. People in general DON'T QUESTION because they simply DON'T WANT TO. (How 'bout Santa Claus for starters, let alone religion... )


I call bullshit.

For example, the incredibly destructive, yet obviously ludicrous MYTH that we're all raging pyschos kept in check by force, almost always offered by someone with an agenda being the one holding that leash, it's bullshit, and it was bullshit all the way back through history, the divine right of kings, and people who claimed to be the voice of god.
And yet you don't fucking question THAT, do you, just chug-chug-chug the kool-aid and then flame people trying to tell you it's poison, of course.

Firstoff, if we needed government to civilize us, how the hell did we build civilization in the first place, hmmm?
But if you want real, hard core, practical proof - one trip to the grocery store utterly fucking proves it.

First there's the roads and highway - people do not obey those rules out of fear, out of concern for punishment, they do so because cooperation is the ONLY WAY IT WILL EVER WORK EFFECTIVELY, and despite the occasional asshat, it *does* work, because they cooperate, because they CHOOSE to cooperate, it's a hard-wired part of our nature which is what allowed us to conquer our environment and build civilization, duh.
Case in point, construction and those shitheads who try to rush down the shoulder and dart in cause they think themselves more important, most of the time there's also some folk who move their cars out onto the shoulder, taking a small risk, for NO gain to themselves, and block these uncooperative fuckheads - not really a selfish act that, is it ?

And then you get to the store, and again, the general rule, the DEFAULT, is cooperation at the register line, people CHOOSE to play along, cause it's the only way it can work effectively, plus you often have folks (and I happen to be one of em) who will wave someone with less items in ahead of them... and so on and so forth.

NONE of this would be possible if that bullshit myth of selfishness held an ounce of water, not without a fuckton of armed goons, anyways.
Beyond that, there's the work of Perry and other noteable scientists who've completely PROVEN it, beyond doubt - humans are HARD-WIRED for cooperation and empathy, those vanishingly rare few who are not are genetic misfires, who only "succeed" because they've managed to sell that bullshit myth enough to put them on top of the heap since few people QUESTION it, and fewer still are willing or able to blow it to hell when presented to them.

Mind you, we've KNOWN this, a lot of us, since 1754 via Rosseau, and refined in 1902 by Kropotkin.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents
.html


So it's not us that are the cause of tragedy and carnage, it's you.
So long as you hold so dear to a complete fiction which is in my opinion the very core of most of todays evil, you are not in any way the solution because you are part of the problem.

And of course, so quickly do you dismiss this electronic world as irrelevant despite having witnessed it's effects upon society, the way the razor of truth can be applied to political and social lies, astroturfing exposed, smear campaigns destroyed - and so easily do you dismiss that which you know has meaning, perhaps because now that you've pulled off the mask, you wish that what has been witnessed can be unseen.

Nope, not happening.

-Frem

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:59 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:



The former graduate student accused in the Colorado movie theater shooting was being treated by a psychiatrist at the university where he studied, according to court papers released on Friday.

Defense attorneys for James Holmes, 24, made the disclosure in a court motion, which sought to discover the source of leaks to some media outlets that Holmes sent the psychiatrist a package containing a notebook with descriptions of an attack.

The motion says the package contained communications between Holmes and Dr Lynne Fenton that should be shielded from public view.

A message left with Fenton's office was not immediately returned. The package was seized by authorities Monday after it was discovered in the mailroom at the University of Colorado, Denver. It's unclear if it was sent before the attack early last Friday.

Calls to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, were referred to the head of the Colorado State Public Defender's office, Douglas Wilson, who was out of the office and did not immediately return a message seeking comment.



from The Guardian




NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:32 AM

WISHIMAY

"Well, so long Earth...Thanks for the air... and what-not" -Philip J. Fry


Frem you believe what you wanna believe. People have good days and bad, but there is a reason they make laws for just about everything, and a reason jails are full to bursting.

Anthony, ask just about any person in the medical field and they will all say they fairly hate humanity, but still would like to help even though it's pretty much useless.

Magons, it's called setup for insanity. He planned this crap for months, you don't think he spent just as much time planning a way out for his stupid self?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:05 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
there's the work of Perry and other noteable scientists who've completely PROVEN it, beyond doubt - humans are HARD-WIRED for cooperation and empathy


Yep, it's very prevalent in countless brain functions.


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
So for most people, whether it is easy or not, whether it is profitable or punished, it's STILL A CHOICE, and they CHOSE this path, which limits my sympathy for them.


I don't disagree on any particular point. And clearly, even someone with the rarified brain anatomy of a psychopath can actually be a decent human being, a scientist working on questions that could better society.
You made a point about psychotropic drugs, and I definitely agree that their use should be limited. I'm hoping that, someday, I can do research that will find better, safer methods for rebalancing the brain chemistry that can be thrown off-kilter by, oh, so many things. A few such things are already known, but it would be thrilling to discover more. I'm also going to operate on a platform that no drugs should be prescribed without an actual diagnostic test of a patient's chemical state. I had a neurotransmitter test that changed my life, and it was painless and pretty affordable, particularly weighed against the benefits it gave me. I don't think a few sessions with a psychiatrist (which probably would have cost the same) would have yielded anything like the same results. (No, I didn't go on any drugs; there's a reason I know that effective alternatives exist.) I'm also opposed to children being on drugs that seriously effect their chemistry while it's still developing. There are instances where it might be necessary to medicate a child (I'm talking things like chronic epilepsy or other serious conditions that could lead to injury or death) but the prevalence of child medication for "behavioral disorders" is heartwrenching to me, and it's out of control. Yeah, maybe it really is a disorder, but I think it often isn't. Even if it is, a lot of things stabilize after puberty, and that chance should be given. Just feeding a kid the right food can have a profound impact, and that should be the first resort. Concentrated nutrients in supplemental form should be the next one, though some of those can impact chemistry to the point where I'd be hesitant. Serious, intense drugs should only be a resort if someone's life is literally at stake.


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:13 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:



The former graduate student accused in the Colorado movie theater shooting was being treated by a psychiatrist at the university where he studied, according to court papers released on Friday.

Defense attorneys for James Holmes, 24, made the disclosure in a court motion, which sought to discover the source of leaks to some media outlets that Holmes sent the psychiatrist a package containing a notebook with descriptions of an attack.

The motion says the package contained communications between Holmes and Dr Lynne Fenton that should be shielded from public view.

A message left with Fenton's office was not immediately returned. The package was seized by authorities Monday after it was discovered in the mailroom at the University of Colorado, Denver. It's unclear if it was sent before the attack early last Friday.

Calls to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, were referred to the head of the Colorado State Public Defender's office, Douglas Wilson, who was out of the office and did not immediately return a message seeking comment.



from The Guardian




Hello,

I wish with all my heart that the psychiatrist had seen that document in time to alert the authorities.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:39 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


On the radio, dispatchers and cops were laughing at the sheeple at first, as they always do every day. The police scanner broadcast proves the cops were incompetently bungling around, not taking the 911 calls seriously, with almost no ambulances available. Only victims who could walk outside the theater were taken to an ambulance, if an ambulance was available. SERIOUSLY INJURED VICTIMS WERE ABANDONED BY POLICE AND LEFT TO DIE. POLICE DID NOT STORM THE THEATER AND SHOOT THE SHOOTER NOR RESCUE THE VICTIMS. Police cowered outside the theater until they were confident the shooter had escaped. There was zero containment of the crime scene and all shooters were allowed to leave. PROFESSOR James Holmes was sitting calmly in his white car closest to the theater exit, but was intoxicated and unaware of his surroundings, and was NOT wearing the police uniform and gas mask of the shooter, and was NOT in possession of any guns used in the shooting. The actual shooter was described by eyewitness survivors as 6 inches shorter than Professor James Holmes. Professor James was paid a $176,000 grant from Obama for mind control research and previously worked for Pentagon's DARPA, whose father is a PhD computer programmer with Pentagon's DARPA scheduled to testify to Congress about the LIBOR bank theft of $350-TRILLION dollars.



POLICE SCANNER LOG

5:23 Shooter still inside Theater 9 (cops cowering in fear outside)

6:40 Searching for suspect in gas mask

7:00 A suspect in gas mask from white car going back into theater

10:20 A shooter in a blue plaid shirt

12:00 Multiple shooter suspects

14:50 Magazine found from rifle

16:00 Searching for suspects with red backpack and black uniform

19:00 Clearing theater looking for shooters

24:50 2 shooters with gasmask and red backpack

25:50 Looking for suspect

31:30 Looking for suspect in police helmet with long gun

38:00 Check suspect's car with bomb unit

45:22 Check white vehicle tag 119ROC (James holmes) "Be sure we're not looking for anybody else"

56:30 Secure suspect's vehicle (James Holmes)

1:10:30 Tennessee vehicle tag Hyundai Accent suspected bomb (not James holmes)

1:12:20 Tennessee tag "clear" (Corryton) TN

AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY DESCRIPTION OF THE ARREST OF JAMES HOLMES, NO NAMES NOR NUMBERS OF ANY POLICE OFFICER WHO ARRESTED JAMES HOLMES, NO DESCRIPTION OF WHAT JAMES HOLMES WAS WEARING, NO BACKGROUND CHECK OF JAMES HOLMES BY DRIVER LICENSE NUMBER, NO ANNOUNCEMENT TO OTHER COPS THAT THE ALLEGED SUSPECTED SHOOTER WAS UNDER ARREST, NO DESCRIPTION OF THE WEAPONS RECOVERED AT THE CRIME SCENE. DURING A REAL ARREST THE OFFICERS WILL NAME ALL THESE EVENTS IN THE RADIO TRANSMISSIONS.

http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-w
orld-order.html

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Frem you believe what you wanna believe. People have good days and bad, but there is a reason they make laws for just about everything, and a reason jails are full to bursting.



Yeah, it's called MONEY.

Jailing Americans for Profit: The Rise of the Prison Industrial Complex
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/prison-privatization_b_
1414467.html


And as usual, the first targets were juvies, something brought to light by that whole kids-for-cash scandal, which was never invested deeply enough, and the charges restricted to financial matters only since all involved didn't seem to give a shit that lives were destroyed, only that someone didn't get their cut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

The so-called justice system is complicit in this because of overlegislation, to the point where the average american unknowingly commits an average of three felonies a day.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760
842.html


Again, this myth, and much of government, is in fact the problem, yet masquerades as a solution, often to problems they created on purpose to begin with.

I offer in return, THIS, which when you seriously think about it, explains a whole damn lot.

Why Does the World Feel Wrong?
http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html
Quote:

Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths. I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis: The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it. In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don't get much press. Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments. Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths. We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.

And HOW they wind up running it has a lot to do with people buying into that idiotic myth that humans are raving beasts in need of "control", and it just ain't so.

-Frem

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Phoenixrose ?

Quote:

I don't disagree on any particular point. And clearly, even someone with the rarified brain anatomy of a psychopath can actually be a decent human being, a scientist working on questions that could better society.

Indeed, I've met more than my share of very broken people who have found a niche where their flaws can be turned to advantages, in fact helped quite a few of them do so.
A key part of that, which seems to function as an effective bulwark against becoming a danger to self and others, is acceptance of ones own inner darkness - breaking with the conventional western morality and understanding that the shadow self *IS* part of you, and treating it with love and acceptance rather than denial and suppression, embracing who and what you are even if the truth of that isn't as pleasant as you'd like.

I have a violent, maltheistic, misanthropic nature, I *know* this, but rather than let it rule me, or ignore and deny it till it blindsides me - I choose to force-feed the beast within, via venues and methods that harm none, I deliberately overload it, and then shove it out of the way, the psychic equivalent of deliberately making it fat, lazy and weak.. and then I chain it up somewhere in the back of my head where it doesn't get in the friggin way when I have to deal with other people... and if I need it, I just let it go "hungry" for a while and cut it loose.

A large problem with modern pyschology is its infection by religion, especially western all or nothing religious philosophies and the accompanied puritannical idiocy, denial of humanity, the notion that suffering is somehow noble or good for you, yadda-freakin-yadda, when the mind really doesn't work that way and never did.
Quote:

You made a point about psychotropic drugs, and I definitely agree that their use should be limited. I'm hoping that, someday, I can do research that will find better, safer methods for rebalancing the brain chemistry that can be thrown off-kilter by, oh, so many things. A few such things are already known, but it would be thrilling to discover more.

Again, indeed - I know more about that than most laymen, having had to find ways of working around folks issues without medication since at the time we had no access to it - which did sometimes result in disaster, cause some cases DO need it, at least for temporary symptom abatement, but as a longterm solution that's much like treating tuberculosis with nyquil...

Which is also a large problem in todays medical care industry, they go for the quick fix, symptom treatment, without looking to a root cause since that costs too much, and a cured patient no longer represents a source of profit - removing that motive is one reason I am of the opinion we should figure a way to make medical care a human right, we got the resources and the tech, what we lack seems to be the will to make it happen.
Quote:

I'm also going to operate on a platform that no drugs should be prescribed without an actual diagnostic test of a patient's chemical state. I had a neurotransmitter test that changed my life, and it was painless and pretty affordable, particularly weighed against the benefits it gave me. I don't think a few sessions with a psychiatrist (which probably would have cost the same) would have yielded anything like the same results. (No, I didn't go on any drugs; there's a reason I know that effective alternatives exist.) I'm also opposed to children being on drugs that seriously effect their chemistry while it's still developing. There are instances where it might be necessary to medicate a child (I'm talking things like chronic epilepsy or other serious conditions that could lead to injury or death) but the prevalence of child medication for "behavioral disorders" is heartwrenching to me, and it's out of control.

Ayep - proper diagnosis is the key to ANY medical treatment, and too much of this comes from bullshit checklist diagnosis often created by the very companies profiting from the overuse of these drugs, not to mention many of the so-called-symptoms are in my opinion nothing more than normal childhood behavior.
We've stigmatized, even criminalized, childhood itself, and that is a truly heinous act.
Quote:

Just feeding a kid the right food can have a profound impact, and that should be the first resort. Concentrated nutrients in supplemental form should be the next one, though some of those can impact chemistry to the point where I'd be hesitant.

Yeah, there's another thing I took a lot of crap for, still do - despite an ever growing number of studies positively linking certain food additives and colorings with aberrant behavior.
Environment is a factor too, we've made our educational system into something which in any objective viewpoint resembles a gulag police state, and then blame the resulting psychological effects on the victims themselves and medicate it as a disorder....
I consider a lot of this bullshit to be right up there with Drapetomania and Dysaethesia Aethiopica, simply an excuse rooted in some deep seated need to justify the status quo - and if you look at it in the harsh, cold light of objectivity it becomes really damned obvious that a lot of these childhood "disorders" spring from the same root as those so-called-disorders, for very similar reasons - I don't have them to hand, but similar "issues" were also attributed to women, right up to the point where THEY secured legal personhood and civil rights.

Ergo, I consider such excuses no more valid when applied to youth as they were when applied to minorities or women, cause for a fact they're the SAME DAMN EXCUSES.
You'd think that would be obvious, but apparently it ain't.
Quote:

Serious, intense drugs should only be a resort if someone's life is literally at stake.

Agreed, and only as part of a full treatment plan aimed at normalising a patient so they don't NEED them - our current practices are a lot like giving a patient pain meds for a broken leg, and never treating the broken leg which is causing the pain to begin with, never seeking the root cause and applying a solution... which when it comes to children is often because that root cause has a lot to do with the adults in their life, parents, educators, and whatnot, being in part the source of the problem - which presents a significant legal and social barrier to problem solving of this nature, particularly if the word of an abusive parent is taken at face value, which it often is.

But not always - my sister attempted to have one of my nieces committed a while back, only for the institution in question to reject this notion completely and assert that it was my sister who was the one with "issues", NOT her children - but of course other than refusing to play along, there was little they could do about it... and left unchecked such "issues" are contagious in that this has eventually resulted in aberrent behavior on behalf of those nieces, and so on and so forth.

So a lot of times this winds up the child being abused, blamed for that abuse, and then medically and psychologically mistreated over it - and that is a massive berserk button for me, not just because of the damage it causes them, but also in that it puts them in an adversarial stance with all of society so that they become its enemy and very often self-destruct via drugs, violence, suicide, or act out like this asshole and do significant damage to people and property - this is WHERE SUCH PEOPLE COME FROM, and no one wants to admit it.

A good example of that in literature is Lizbeth Salander - she's hostile to society, to the authorities, for damn good reasons, and she *IS* fairly messed up in the head because of it, just not in the ways she winds up accused of, I know all too well cause I suffer from a lot of that same underlying hostility myself.

Anyhows, that's my take on it.

-Frem

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
-William Colby, Director of the CIA




NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:41 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

I offer in return, THIS, which when you seriously think about it, explains a whole damn lot.

Why Does the World Feel Wrong?
http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html
Quote:

Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths. I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis: The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it. In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don't get much press. Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments. Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths. We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.



Absolutely.

At least 10% of everyone you ever met your entire life are psychopaths.

Psychologists agree, there's no cure for psychopaths, it's hardwired into their brains at birth.

Neo psychopaths can be manufactured by TV programming, movie scripts, military training and MKULTRA.

Apathy is a symptom of psychopathy. Which means 90% of the population are neo psychopath zombies...

Psychopaths run all the world's governments and large corporations, including the medical industrial complex, WHICH BANNED THE WORD PSYCHOPATH FROM ITS DSM MANUAL ON MENTAL ILLNESS. The new cute cuddly word for psychopath is "narcissist".

ANYONE can be turned into a homicidal psychopath by MKULTRA (drugs, electroshock, insulin shock, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, forced to watch and kill killing animals and pets, forced to watch and participate in murders as condition to survival, Satanic rituals, etc).



Or just slip them a micky and let em play patsy with amnesia.


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:11 AM

WISHIMAY

"Well, so long Earth...Thanks for the air... and what-not" -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

And HOW they wind up running it has a lot to do with people buying into that idiotic myth that humans are raving beasts in need of "control", and it just ain't so.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178601/Father-hung-daughter-u
pside-chandelier-punishment-jailed.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179271/Innocent-victim-Chinas
-child-policy-Newborn-baby-girl-discarded-bin-left-die-plastic-bag-throat-cut.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174992/Christiana-Glenn-death
-Mother-roommate-starved-girl-8-death.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180169/Horror-father-Frederic
o-Bruno-pushes-ex-girlfriend-baby-floor-window.html



These are just from what I've read TODAY.
No. No beasts here.
I guarantee that most of the people that knew these people would say they "Never would've guessed it." and I'm sure that even the people themselves would've at one time said they would never do such a thing...

All it takes is one push....on just the riiiight spot.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:32 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:


All it takes is one push....on just the riiiight spot.



Hello,

I see. So people are good until pushed in a very particular way that is beyond their tolerance.

Which means the usual, normal condition is a positive one. You have reaffirmed my faith in the goodness of humanity. If making someone evil requires pushing them in particular spots, then people have a natural tendency to be good.

So much for the exploding ferries.



--Anthony




Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:49 PM

WISHIMAY

"Well, so long Earth...Thanks for the air... and what-not" -Philip J. Fry


Whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the day, hon. Here, you can have my old rose-colored glasses....I won't be needing 'em anymore

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:11 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson



I worked with a total of 4 people found not guilty by reason of insanity for murder. How many have you had contact with?


Do you count murder of the self? (suicide) Do you count only those people who were caught?



Do you think it takes a medical degree to spot mental illness?


No, but it does take a certain amount of study to be able to claim expertise on their inner workings.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:17 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


"dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?"

I'm afraid I don't know, but the [page down] button is handy.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:36 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson




Yer one of those people that see the world through rose colored lenses, aincha??



Your links are suspect. The fist one lists 'crime', not 'violent crime'. For all we know they count loitering and littering as crime.

The second compares 'violent crime' across countries, but has suspect data. For example, it lists 'violent crime' in Canada as being roughly twice as prevalent as in the US. But more categories are reported as 'violent crime' in Canada than in the US. This is from WIKI: "The reported US violent crime rate includes only Aggravated Assault, whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including the much-more-numerous Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm). A government study concluded that direct comparison of the 2 countries' violent crime totals or rates was "inappropriate"."

All I did was google and went to the first site I came across to find this. If you were at all interested in verifying your information (though apparently you most definitely are not) you would have found this and possibly learned something.



This place ain't a job, don't accomplish much, and is just a distraction. That's it.


Well, you might possibly learn something you never knew before.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:39 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?



Amen! And please? And HAKEN ARE YOU LISTENING? PN is gone way off the edge. I do not like bans, but there has been talk of some kind of ignore function for the new site.... Is that still in the works? Because this is ridiculous!

ETA: Yeah, I'm afraid that those brain walls I detected in Wish a while back weren't just imagined. There's stuff going on in there. Not good stuff. Sad.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:19 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

Amen! And please? And HAKEN ARE YOU LISTENING? PN is gone way off the edge. I do not like bans, but there has been talk of some kind of ignore function for the new site.... Is that still in the works? Because this is ridiculous.



You love these guys sticking their hands in your vagina or crushing your testicles at airports, don't you?


Guess which one is the Dark Knight shooter?

Quote:

"He was in full riot gear... He looked like he was from a SWAT team."
-Witness Jennifer Seeger, MSNBC

"The shooter was dressed from head-to-toe in SWAT gear... with Kevlar. He looked like one of the cops. That's what was really confusing to us."
-Jennifer Seeger, three feet away from shooter in theater, CNN



If you'd bother to listen to the police scanner from the DK Massacre, you'd realize what a cluster frak it was, with police refusing to enter the theater while the shooting was taking place, no ambulances for victims and victims describing 2 shooters. Here's the only full scanner log transcript:
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-w
orld-order.html





NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Funny how his eye color changed...which does happen to MKULTRA victims with multiple personalities

http://rense.com/general95/realjames.html

Perhaps the real Professor James Holmes is relaxing on Whore Island with Ken Lay?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Funny how his eye color changed...which does happen to MKULTRA victims with multiple personalities



COOL!

You get your very own MKU Mood Ring when you join up!

"Don't worry about Jack, his eyes are green. He's been drinking Heineken and he's a happy drunk on Heineken."

"Uh Oh...... Jack's eyes are a pale blue. Seems he's deep in his Icehouse bender. It's time to get the F out of Dodge!"

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee, Magons, right on. HOW I would love an ignore button! It would help in more ways than just avoiding wasting the time scrolling past PN's bullshit. Or maybe someone could draw him into another thread, just to stop his incessant clattering in this one? You know, just for a change of pace! I swear, my scrolling finger is getting downright SPRAINED in this thread, spending so much time avoiding his silly pictures, graphics, links and whatever other inanity he posts.

Rose, as usual, "everything you said", in spades. Frem too; wonderfully put, especially about how even people "society" has deemed unacceptable can be wonderful people if someone gives a damn and helps them understand they're worthwhile.

And no, Wish--for whome I feel terribly sad--I don't live my life out of fear, I TRY to live it out of compassion because I WANT to. I don't lie, intentionally; sometimes how I see things is colored by my own perspective and therefor not objective, but I don't deliberately lie. I've been told I think like a lawyer, because I find ways to frame things or use omission to avoid deliberately lying, but when it comes to the big things, I don't. I think there are far more out there like me, and Anthony, and Frem who prove your theories wrong. I'm sorry you think the way you do--for you, not anyone else--and maybe if you didn't submerge yourself so much in all the bad stuff, you might feel differently. There are tons and tons of stories out there about people who go out of their way to do good things, even small ones, for no reason that has to do with fear, or money; we don't hear about them because the media is focused on "if it bleeds, it leads". Nobody can change your mind, but I'm sorry you can't see all that.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 30, 2012 5:13 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I worked with a total of 4 people found not guilty by reason of insanity for murder. How many have you had contact with?


Do you count murder of the self? (suicide) Do you count only those people who were caught?



Do you think it takes a medical degree to spot mental illness?


No, but it does take a certain amount of study to be able to claim expertise on their inner workings.


LOL! All it takes is observing them, day by day, the restrictions they live under, and listening to their statements. Of course, being able to read the patient files, with notations from the various professionals doesn't hurt. The 30 or so other patients on that ward took up two shelves of the file cart. The two NGRI spree killers took up a shelf between them. It was interesting reading. They were highly prized patients. I had a feeling that the doctors weren't going to let them be discharged any time soon. They'd have lost their lab rats to study.

And the one fellow I described as crazy like a fox? He'd never been administered any psychoactive medication in the 5 years he'd been at the hospital. His "condition" was managed with a structured environment and therapeutic agent (i.e. burly orderlies). He worked in the hospital canteen from 7am until noon. He had the balance of the day until 5pm free on the hospital grounds, unsupervised. Yep, a real danger to society.

And if we're counting suicides, let's raise my count to ten then. Do murder victims count if they were already in a mental hospital?


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 30, 2012 5:16 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:


All it takes is one push....on just the riiiight spot.



Hello,

I see. So people are good until pushed in a very particular way that is beyond their tolerance.

Which means the usual, normal condition is a positive one. You have reaffirmed my faith in the goodness of humanity. If making someone evil requires pushing them in particular spots, then people have a natural tendency to be good.

So much for the exploding ferries.




I believe that most people will do the right thing if given the choice. The hard part is motivating them to think, and then take action.



Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 30, 2012 5:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The news media is now banned from the courtroom......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/batman-shooting-suspe
ct-james-holmes-in-court-over-cinema-gun-rampage-7986869.html


How convenient for Obama and his Operation Fast and Furious Northwoods.

This patsy will get a life sentence in a nuthouse, no trial, no evidence, no investigation, case closed.

Meanwhile, all semiauto guns will be banned, all mail order ammo will be banned, all self defense will be banned, TSA will grab your genitals in a darkened movie theater, police running around dressed as the Dark Knight shooter, and the fired pedophile Penn State president is now employed by Obama at Dept of Fatherland Security running Top Secret Operation Baby Fuck.

Just dissociate and pretend its a typical Batman movie or Joss Whedon TV show:



Lalalalalala!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, August 5, 2012 7:35 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


TROLL

And here you are, wrong, yet again. Holmes is looking more and more like a crazy guy with crazy reasons to do what he did.

How does that feel, to be sooooo wrong, so often?


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, August 6, 2012 10:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


One of the people on my mental-health website has posted that the Aurora guy was dx'd with schizophrenia (asked for link; will provide if/when he posts one). While I hate that mental illness gets tied with violence ("the vast majority of people with mental illness are never violent", as they say and which is true), the fact that he was dx'd schiz, was seeing a p-doc AND she had questions about him makes me a bit angry. There needs to be communication in such cases with the authorities, despite his having dropped out making him "not under their purvey". That angers me considerably; maybe nothing could have been done, but if there were ways to check on such things,it could have been found that he had purchased a large amount of ammo over the internet AND that he had bought a gun, both shortly before the shooting.

We obviously can't KNOW when someone will act out, but it seems to me that there were enough indicators where he was concerned that if there was proper communication, and the police had the ability to check these things out, this one would have raised red flags all over the place.

The new one, not so much. I'm betting he wasn't dx'd or seeing anyone, just a white-supremecist racist asshole, and I DO call those "crazy"! Those I have no doubt couldn't be stopped, as I'm betting he had his gun for a long time, as well as not having sought help.

It's very frustrating, very sad and very infuriating.


ETA: Ah, I googled and see he was seeing a "psychiatrist specializing in schizophrenia", so it's not that he was known to be dx'd with schiz, but a strong possibility.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I sit somewhere between Frem and Wish. I think people, everyone pretty much, under the right or wrong circumstances, is capable of great evil and great good.

Kids and medicine. I don't think it should be the first thing tried, but sometimes I do think its helpful. The more choices there are the better, regular, natural, both, whatever it takes to be doing as well and feeling as good as possible. I didn't have much luck with my stint of trying natural medicines, so I've gone back to trying regular ones.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Can You Love Me Again at the Edge of Tomorrow....
Tue, October 21, 2014 12:37 - 5 posts
Is anyone else still slightly creeped out by the Japanese?
Tue, October 21, 2014 12:35 - 95 posts
Obama trying to kill republicanz
Tue, October 21, 2014 11:24 - 27 posts
Russia Says National Governments Should Control Internet
Tue, October 21, 2014 10:37 - 1 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine
Tue, October 21, 2014 08:42 - 545 posts
2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola
Tue, October 21, 2014 05:48 - 39 posts
ICYMI - Hunter Biden discharged from Navy
Tue, October 21, 2014 05:43 - 10 posts
ICYMI - Alabama House Speaker arrested on 23 felony counts.
Tue, October 21, 2014 00:20 - 5 posts
Obama makes rare campaign trail appearance, people leave early
Mon, October 20, 2014 20:49 - 3 posts
Ebolagate?
Mon, October 20, 2014 20:29 - 74 posts
How Nations Fail (USA, Take a Hint}
Mon, October 20, 2014 20:26 - 13 posts
Voter fraud probe roils Ga. Senate race
Mon, October 20, 2014 20:07 - 21 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL

OUR SPONSORS