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It's a new world of lies in politics...

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Friday, June 8, 2012 6:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...for me at least. I'm long used to politicians shading the truth, spinning things their way, speaking in half truths, skewing the numbers, etc., etc., but this is the first campaign where I've seen such blatant lying, which, even when shown to be flagrant lies with the facts, CONTINUES to be put out there.

It started right at the beginning, with that lie so bold and obvious it was hard to believe it was true. The Romney ad which "quoted" Obama as saying "If we talk about the economy, we'll lose". In reality it was Obama QUOTING the McCain Campaign, saying, "...my opponent's campaign announced earlier this month that they want to ‘turn the page’ on the discussion about our economy so they can spend the final weeks of this election attacking me instead," Obama said in the speech. "Sen. McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.’"

That one boggled my mind, that they would quote Obama quoting his RIVAL, and cut it to pretend it was something Obama said himself. When confronted, Romney said something about "sauce for the goose", which has absolutely nothing to do with the deliberate cutting of the clip. The ad still runs. That one got a "pants on fire" from Politifact, and even mainsream media reporters were shocked by it. The ad still runs.

There have been tons of more subtle lies--some on both sides, as usual--but they've been twisting of the truth, debatable, spinning positions; in other words, the usual political games. But the blatancy of the "big ones" and the fact that they continue to run even after they've been PROVEN to be lies, is something new to me. Usually when called out on a conspicuous lie, politicians side-step it or say they misspoke or something, and pull the ad. Not so with Romney any more, he's learned he can literally say ANYTHING and keep saying it, no matter what.

The Netherlands bit about forced suicide again boggled my mind. To watch the man sit there on stage, casually lying with EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID, the fact that it so angered the people he was lying about yet he's made no effort whatsoever to apologize or say he was wrong, made me gag. He's never remarked on it to this day. The audience at that event and everyone they told about it STILL believes they kill old people in the Netherlands, no doubt!

Now with the Solyndra thing, he's done it again:
Quote:

“The Inspector General said contracts were steered to ‘friends and family.’” When the Romney campaign was asked for documentation, it produced a Newsweek article asserting that Energy Department inspector general Gregory Friedman “has testified that contracts have been steered to ‘friends and family.’”

Except that Newsweek article was an excerpt from the book “Throw Them All Out,” written by Peter Schweizer, a right-winger who has served as an adviser to Sarah Palin’s PAC, edited one of Andrew Breitbart’s websites, and written a slew of books portraying liberals as pond scum. And it turns out that the inspector general never testified that stimulus contracts were steered to friends and family.

Complete, flat-out lie; it's been debunked publicly, but it's still part of Romney's repertoire.

When did it happen that a politician can make such flagrant statements and, even when proven wrong, go right on making them? It's working wonderfully for Romney, given his audience only watches FauxNews and I'm sure THEY'D never admit he's making patently false statements, so he can go on making them with impunity. Is that it? Is it the rise of a right-wing "news" organization which can keep its audience from ever knowing the truth, even tho' all other sources have debunked his lies, which makes it okay for the right to follow this path? It truly shocks me that we've come to this point, where there is absolutly NO need for Romney to retract, or even try to excuse or explain himself?

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Friday, June 8, 2012 6:52 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

The Truth is no longer defined by what is factual. It is now defined as what you can convince people to believe.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 8, 2012 7:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Anthony, that appears to be the case, mind-blowing as it is. Thinking about it, I believe it might well be the result of the emergence of FauxNews; as long as the audience only watches them, the debunking and decrying of his lies by all other sources is meaningless, they go right on believing the lies, without the interference of finding out they're lies. And if that's the only "news" source, they can keep right on running the ads, they never have to address the issue. As long as they don't say anything when called on it (which probably wouldn't make it onto FoxNoise anyway), their audience goes right on believing. Effective, isn't it?


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Friday, June 8, 2012 7:46 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Four legs good. Two legs better.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 8, 2012 9:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not sure what that means, Anthony, but I forgot to detail what actually started me on this topic...Romney's latest, provable, unquestionable lie:
Quote:

Mitt Romney has been citing a new book he says shows that the Obama administration believed the health care reform law would slow down the economic recovery, but went ahead with it anyway. Too bad for the presidential hopeful that the author of the book says that's not accurate.

Romney has been claiming recently that in 2009, Larry Summers, at the time Obama's top economic adviser, told the administration "that if they put in place Obamacare, it would slow down the recovery." Romney has sourced that claim to The Escape Artists, a recent book by Noam Scheiber about the Obama administration's economic policy.

On Thursday, Scheiber, a writer for The New Republic magazine, said he found "no evidence" that the administration believed there was anything about the Affordable Care Act itself that would hamper the recovery.
Quote:

I found no evidence of this. I encountered no administration official who felt that way. They all thought [the healthcare law] was a good thing to do and in the long-term interest of the economy. They had no inkling, there was never any discussion, that this would ... crimp the recovery going forward.
http://leanforward.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/07/12112429-noam-scheib
er-no-evidence-for-romney-claim-that-cites-my-book?lite
other words, he can now point to a book as saying something which it not only does NOT say, but which the author says quite clearly he NEVER WROTE. And he'll no doubt go right on repeating it, and the FoxNoise audience will nod their heads in agreement and tch tch about what a horrible President Obama is and how this proves it and and and...

And so it goes...


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Friday, June 8, 2012 9:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's a nod to a barnyard tale, Niki. "Four legs good; two legs bad." And it's nothing to do with Wilbur this time around. ;)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 8, 2012 10:44 AM

CHRISISALL


It's all about the yellow cake.


Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Friday, June 8, 2012 1:04 PM

HKCAVALIER


Barnyard tale? It's from the H.G.Wells novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau." The good doctor was very busy trying to engineer animals into human beings and always failing, making only miserable and grotesque hybrids. The hybrids were indoctrinated into a quasi-religion, it's first commandment being "No spill blood." "Two legs good, four legs bad" meant that it was bad to behave as an animal. The good doctor thought, "If I can't physically change them into humans, I can at least get them thinking that they should be humans." And if a hybrid was caught doing such a thing, he or she would be taken to "The House of Pain." As you might imagine, it doesn't end well for Dr. Moreau.



HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, June 8, 2012 1:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Huh. I thought it was from Animal Farm, specifically how they boiled down the Seven Commandments. '

From the Wiki:

Quote:

The Seven Commandments are laws that are supposed to keep order and ensure elementary Animalism within Animal Farm. The Seven Commandments were designed to unite the animals together against the humans and prevent animals from following the humans' evil habits. Since not all of the animals can remember them, they are boiled down into one basic statement: "Four legs good, two legs bad!" (with wings counting as legs for this purpose, Snowball arguing that wings count as legs as they are organs of propulsion rather than manipulation), which the sheep constantly repeat, distracting the crowd from the lies of the pigs. The original commandments were:

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.




Never realized Moreau used a version of it as well.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 8, 2012 1:34 PM

HKCAVALIER


Oh, well then, George was making an allusion to the H.G. Wells classic, but I have to acknowledge that Anthony was most likely refering to "Animal Farm" as you say, with the 4 > 2 rather than 2 > 4. I haven't read "Animal Farm" in very long time.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, June 8, 2012 1:35 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Huh. I thought it was from Animal Farm, specifically how they boiled down the Seven Commandments. '

From the Wiki:

Quote:

The Seven Commandments are laws that are supposed to keep order and ensure elementary Animalism within Animal Farm. The Seven Commandments were designed to unite the animals together against the humans and prevent animals from following the humans' evil habits. Since not all of the animals can remember them, they are boiled down into one basic statement: "Four legs good, two legs bad!" (with wings counting as legs for this purpose, Snowball arguing that wings count as legs as they are organs of propulsion rather than manipulation), which the sheep constantly repeat, distracting the crowd from the lies of the pigs. The original commandments were:

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.




Never realized Moreau used a version of it as well.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy




Hello,

You are quite right, Mike.

What is not covered on that snippet is that eventually the pigs want to walk around on two legs. So they segregate the sheep and drill them with a new mantra.

"Four legs good, Two legs better" which they then bleat ad nauseum.

Truth becomes whatever lie is regurgitated often enough.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 8, 2012 1:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

Four legs good. Two legs better.

--Anthony



SCARIEST....

BOOK......

EVER.....

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Friday, June 8, 2012 2:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh, well then, George was making an allusion to the H.G. Wells classic, but I have to acknowledge that Anthony was most likely refering to "Animal Farm" as you say, with the 4 > 2 rather than 2 > 4. I haven't read "Animal Farm" in very long time.




And I didn't realize that Wells had brought it up first, so you were right as well, and Orwell must have been nodding to him with it.

I haven't read Moreau, but now I may have to, thanks to you!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 8, 2012 2:54 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Here are some of the four-leg, two-leg references in Doctor Moreau:

Quote:

Sayer of the Law: To go on two legs is very hard. Perhaps four is better, anyway.

Sayer of the Law: It is a hard way, the way of being a man. Sooner or later we all want a thing that is bad. To walk on all fours. To suck up drink from a stream. To jabber, instead of saying the words. To go snuffling at the earth, and to claw on the bark of trees. To eat flesh, or fish. To make love to more than one, every which way. These are all bad things. These are not the things that men do. But we are men, are we not? We are men because the Father has made us men!



This, coupled with anthropomorphic animals, makes me think the one may have had some definite influence on the other. (Though they each had their own things to say.)

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 8, 2012 5:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Makes me wonder if maybe they should be taught as a pair - different sides of a similar coin, as it were.


Meanwhile, the reason Romney won't address his constant lying, and won't correct himself, if simple: Those he's lying to will never know it. They will only get their news from the approved sources (FauxNews, Rush Blimpo, Breitbart, etc.), and the approved sources will not only not report the lies, they'll actively deny that they ever occurred if someone else brings them up.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:Meanwhile, the reason Romney won't address his constant lying, and won't correct himself, if simple: Those he's lying to will never know it. They will only get their news from the approved sources (FauxNews, Rush Blimpo, Breitbart, etc.), and the approved sources will not only not report the lies, they'll actively deny that they ever occurred if someone else brings them up.




Seriously Kwick.....?

In over 20 years of watching over, the Democrats have a FIRM grip over what the 99% watch...

Are you even suggesting that a single lie could pass between Obama's cigarette smoking lips on taxpayer's dollars?

Say it ain't so....


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