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Watermelon and skittles, not so innocent after all

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:35 AM

CAVETROLL


Very informative article with some good research. The author does make some supposition in part 3, but the drug use information does check out. Long story short, Arizona watermelon iced tea and skittles are two of three ingredients to make "lean", an intoxicating beverage. Martin's autopsy shows physical conditions consistent with long term lean use.

Please read all 3 parts before you comment.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/23/update-26-part-1-trayvo
n-martin-what-were-the-last-18-months-like-for-him
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Okay, I read it all. Much of it sounds convincing, especially:
Quote:

When he saw Zimmerman he began the conversation by saying “hey man, what the f**k’s your problem, what the f**k you looking at”?
Zimmerman responded tennatively, somewhat fearful, somewhat like an “uh-oh” reaction, blew off the initial confrontation from Trayvon, and reached for his phone again to call the police.
Frustrated and feeling profiled for no-good-reason, (mindset “what you wanna call the cops on me for”?… this busy body Zimmerman is bringing grief for nothing. He should mind his own damn businesss.) In his mind, and in actuality, Trayvon was no threat to anyone. This dude calling the cops on him just pissed him off. Part anger mixed with a high dose of frustration.
It went downhill from there.


This theoretical description sounds close.
Still, if Zimmerman was NOT following him, nothing would have happened.
If Zimmerman WAS NOT ARMED, he would have suffered cuts & bruises that he could have sued over later.
I never maintained that Martin was an 'innocent', just that he didn't need to wind up dead because Zimmerman found nothing good to watch on TV that night.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Unless there is more in the medical examiner’s report the article does not match the facts known. The only thing said to have been found in Martin's system was THC and at very low levels.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:09 AM

CAVETROLL


I wasn't referring to the toxicology report. I was actually referring to the part of the autopsy report where they described the condition of Martin's liver. Not conclusive, but it could point to extended use of lean.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:08 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

I never maintained that Martin was an 'innocent', just that he didn't need to wind up dead because Zimmerman found nothing good to watch on TV that night.




On the whole, I kinda agree.

I don't think there NEEDED to be a physical altercation or a firearm discharge. It was all a terrible turn of events, that resulted in the unnecessary and tragic loss of life.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Not conclusive, but it could point to extended use of lean.

And so what? I don't get the significance... lean, bad day, general life frustration, break up with girlfriend, what's the difference?

Flow chart says that cause A was Zimmerman.
What? Don't follow drug addicted nuts with a gun, is that it? How about don't follow ANY people with a gun...? Professionals are paid to do that.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:16 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Not conclusive, but it could point to extended use of lean.

And so what? I don't get the significance... lean, bad day, general life frustration, break up with girlfriend, what's the difference?

Flow chart says the cause was Zimmerman.

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I think the speculation was that , due to excessive, prolonged drug use, Trayvon was edgier and more aggressive than he probably would have been otherwise. That aggression lead the the fight, which lead to Zimmerman using a gun ( justified or no ) in self defense.

Sure, it's speculation, but it also paints a portrait of Trayvon not being presented by the media.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:23 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
I wasn't referring to the toxicology report. I was actually referring to the part of the autopsy report where they described the condition of Martin's liver. Not conclusive, but it could point to extended use of lean.



It could, but it could also point to nothing at all. Mild fatty metamorphosis is not uncommon. The report did not indicate any abnormality in this. It's conjecture at best.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think the speculation was that , due to excessive, prolonged drug use, Trayvon was edgier and more aggressive than he probably would have been otherwise. That aggression lead the the fight, which lead to Zimmerman using a gun ( justified or no ) in self defense.

I'm on record here saying that Martin was a dope for getting physical. I don't particularly care if it was substance-assisted or not; stupid is stupid, how you arrive at stupid isn't my concern. Zimmerman was stupid, and that was pure him.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM

AURAPTOR

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Also, the propensity for a young male, so fascinated in MMA videos, may have helped formed the psyche of Trayvon seeking a violent solution to being 'hassled' by Zimmerman. Males that age tend to be wound up as is, w/ out the added issues of a broken home, drug use and immersion into underground fight videos. Kids his age go through phases, and it's likely he was just 'acting out' on the particular phase he was going through.





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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:19 AM

KWICKO

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I don't buy it. So he had a couple of things that *COULD* be used to make "lean" or "purple drank" - there's still no signs that he had access to codeine cough syrup, the active ingredient, or to promethazine, the other common prescription-only drug found in lean.

This is like saying that someone with ice cubes and Coca-Cola is an alcoholic, because those are two of the ingredients in a rum and coke. Without the main ingredient, you've got nothing.


Or, to put it more bluntly, Zimmerman had the main ingredient used by people who go on shooting sprees; does that mean he was going on a shooting spree? There actually is more evidence to support that outrageous claim, because Z actually did shoot and kill somebody, and it's not been shown that Trayvon ever used lean.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:31 PM

BYTEMITE


This "lean" is even a real thing? When I read it I had to confess skepticism that a black kid is being accused of distilling some sort of alcohol or drug from watermelons. It sounds like a bad joke about racial stereotypes, where the punchline is something about fried chicken.

EDIT: after looking this up on wikipedia, it appears there is a drink called lean, which does involve candy to change the colours, but it's based on cough syrup with painkillers. Not watermelon. I think the watermelon thing might call the veracity of the posted article into question.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:54 PM

CAVETROLL


Go back and read the linked articles again.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM

BYTEMITE


I confess I found the article less than convincing as well. We're given no name or account information in the screenshots, no confirmation on any of the pictures, and encouraged to believe that this is in fact this kid's actual accounts. Not to mention I don't quite understand the need to drag some dead kid through the mud, which makes me question the website itself. Lastly, photoshop is impossible to rule out.

I don't particularly want Zimmerman convicted myself, if just because of precedence for stand your ground laws, lack of hard evidence, and my opinion that the justice system is a farce. But I don't think this is his best defense. :/ There's a big difference between saying "this was a tragedy, it was a mistake, and when it turned violent I had to defend myself" and saying "this person DESERVED to be killed." At some point picking over the bones of a dead teenager becomes really distasteful.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
This "lean" is even a real thing? When I read it I had to confess skepticism that a black kid is being accused of distilling some sort of alcohol or drug from watermelons. It sounds like a bad joke about racial stereotypes, where the punchline is something about fried chicken.

EDIT: after looking this up on wikipedia, it appears there is a drink called lean, which does involve candy to change the colours, but it's based on cough syrup with painkillers. Not watermelon. I think the watermelon thing might call the veracity of the posted article into question.



I confess to being ignorant of this 'lean' stuff as well. From the sounds of it, the ingredients, it seems to be in line w/ the ' purple drank' concoction, which is a favorite for some inner city youth, as well as professional athletes. ( See JaMarcus Russell )

With out any real evidence, what we have here is circumstantial, from what I can tell.

Sometimes skittles are just skittles.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Point of Fact.

Firstoff, most of these ridiculous claims by the media are upon investigation all but straight out bullshit whipped up to demonize their favorite target, young people - since they have no legal rights or ability to fight back, even make their voice heard, till that "magic number", and not the resources to do so even then.
Just imagine if say, you threw these lameass shoveljobs at better protected targets, how fast the lawsuits would pile up, yes ?

Cue smartass letter going round bagging on this phenomenon.
http://nataliegoffee.blogspot.com/

Not to mention asking such loaded questions of young people who dislike you and mistrust you is just BEGGING to be trolled.


Point of interest number two.

Wine contains the same chemical as "date rape" drugs, poppyseed muffins contain opiates, and many drug tests are downright laughably unreliable to begin with, even before viewed through the veil of distortion applied by folks with an agenda.



This one being particularly egregarious since the cops know a LOT of ways to deliberately cause a false positive, and if they're testing your shampoo, they're LOOKING for one, on purpose.
Not to mention that forensic "science" is often anything but.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Unreliable-Limited-Science.
php

http://truthinjustice.org/forensics-microscope.htm
http://www.dallasjustice.com/dallascriminallawyerblog/for-decades-feds
-doj-fbi-knew-forensic-evidence-was-unreliable-but-said-nothing-to-defense-how-many-innocents-behind-bars-how-many-have-been-wrongfully-executed


Of course, leaving out some pretty damn obvious media bias, there's also that the conduct of the department is suspect itself, which means a compromised investigation from the get-go, and why on earth would anyone in their right mind THEN trust that same department to investigate its own investigation ?
Nah, I don't trust a whit of it, any of it, and stand by my initial assessment, still.

It however *IS* very telling how far the so-called authorities are trying to dig, dig, dig to obtain even the most minuscule of evidence to demonize Martin, while simultaneously obfuscating even obvious red flags regarding Zimmerman - that all by itself screams bias about as loud as possible.
And frankly, for a young ethnic guy in this day and age, despite all attempts to convince us otherwise I daresay Martin was remarkably well-behaved, comparably... heaven knows MY disciplinary record practically read serial-killer-in-training.


-Frem

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
This "lean" is even a real thing? When I read it I had to confess skepticism that a black kid is being accused of distilling some sort of alcohol or drug from watermelons. It sounds like a bad joke about racial stereotypes, where the punchline is something about fried chicken.

EDIT: after looking this up on wikipedia, it appears there is a drink called lean, which does involve candy to change the colours, but it's based on cough syrup with painkillers. Not watermelon. I think the watermelon thing might call the veracity of the posted article into question.




It's also based on using Jolly Rancher candies for the color, not Skittles.

But CaveTroll doesn't seem to be one to let mere facts stand in the way of his moral outrage...



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
This "lean" is even a real thing? When I read it I had to confess skepticism that a black kid is being accused of distilling some sort of alcohol or drug from watermelons. It sounds like a bad joke about racial stereotypes, where the punchline is something about fried chicken.

EDIT: after looking this up on wikipedia, it appears there is a drink called lean, which does involve candy to change the colours, but it's based on cough syrup with painkillers. Not watermelon. I think the watermelon thing might call the veracity of the posted article into question.



I confess to being ignorant of this 'lean' stuff as well. From the sounds of it, the ingredients, it seems to be in line w/ the ' purple drank' concoction, which is a favorite for some inner city youth, as well as professional athletes. ( See JaMarcus Russell )

With out any real evidence, what we have here is circumstantial, from what I can tell.

Sometimes skittles are just skittles.




Yup. I like Skittles once in a while, and I occasionally drink Arizona Tea (not watermelon flavor though, because, well, GROSS!).

And I have a recent prescription for codeine cough syrup, and live in a neighborhood with a large black population.

And I can assure y'all I have no intention of, nor desire to, make any "lean" to try out. It sounds disgusting to me, and I've never in my life enjoyed the feeling of a codeine high.



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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:53 PM

BYTEMITE


I occasionally drink that alcoholic cough syrup if I'm having insomnia, but I'm not familiar with all this codeine stuff.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:59 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
heaven knows MY disciplinary record practically read serial-killer-in-training.



And how many ethnic kills do you have, Frem?
OH. NONE. So, you fit the PROFILE, but PROFILING doesn't work then, eh?
Your point is well taken, dude. Except by the sensationalist media & TPTB.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I'm not familiar with all this codeine stuff.

Codeine was given to me as a kid, and I gotta say it's great stuff for sleeping well, and dreaming cool crazy s**t, but you wake up dopey, and until it's out of your system, you are basically useless.
FYI.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Codeine double post (I wish)

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:04 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yup. I like Skittles once in a while, and I occasionally drink Arizona Tea (not watermelon flavor though, because, well, GROSS!).

And I have a recent prescription for codeine cough syrup, and live in a neighborhood with a large black population.

And I can assure y'all I have no intention of, nor desire to, make any "lean" to try out. It sounds disgusting to me, and I've never in my life enjoyed the feeling of a codeine high.



" Hey, Baby! You SHO' you ain'T no dealah? 'Cos I got me some cash and a hankerin... You know anybody who IS?"

Teasing, OK?

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
I wasn't referring to the toxicology report. I was actually referring to the part of the autopsy report where they described the condition of Martin's liver. Not conclusive, but it could point to extended use of lean.

I'm curious where you got your medical degree.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:57 PM

1KIKI

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Codeine/ opioids and promethazine are part of routine tox screens. And the tox screen only showed very low levels of THC, nothing else.

So, is that the sum of our argument, Troll? Martin must have been using purple drank, even though the active ingredients magically didn’t show up in the tox screen?

NEXT!

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
And how many ethnic kills do you have, Frem?


I'd say that depends on who you ask.




Them bastards had it comin anyway, virus bomb MY colonies under a phony peace offer, will they ?

But in all seriousness, I prefer to draw the line a lot earlier than lethal, for reasons which are far from altruistic, a cowed and beaten foe is far more useful than a corpse, and draws less hassle - as for ethnicity I was kind of an equal opportunity nasty, cause I hated *everybody*.

-Frem

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Codeine/ opioids and promethazine are part of routine tox screens. And the tox screen only showed very low levels of THC, nothing else.

So, is that the sum of our argument, Troll? Martin must have been using purple drank, even though the active ingredients magically didn’t show up in the tox screen?

NEXT!




Y'know, I had a cousin who had diabetes, and she had syringes on her at all times. Musta been a heroin addict, too, right?

That is the logic at work here by Troll.





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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:20 AM

CAVETROLL


Do you know how fast codeine clears from the system? Would it appear on the tox screen even 48 hours after the last use? But we have Martin's OWN WORDS that he was a user. Plus supporting physical evidence. Zimmerman's lawyer would be insane to not bring this up at trial. Remember, that it is up to the state to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that Zimmerman's actions alone caused the shooting. Just the possibility of Martin suffering from long term effects of lean usage, with increased aggression contributing to the events could get Zimmerman acquitted.

Which, for people who have already made up their minds, does not seem to be a possibility.

It's not what Zimmerman did or did not do prior to the shooting. It is whether or not the state can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Martin is not on trial, but his actions before and during the incident will certainly come under scrutiny.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:22 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Y'know, I had a cousin who had diabetes, and she had syringes on her at all times. Musta been a heroin addict, too, right?

That is the logic at work here by Troll.





Martin's own words, you retard. Or do you think Zimmerman hacked Martin's social media accounts months in advance of the incident just to make the poor innocent boy look like a thug and a drug user?

You can lead an asshole to facts, but you can't make Kwicko think.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Y'know, I had a cousin who had diabetes, and she had syringes on her at all times. Musta been a heroin addict, too, right?

That is the logic at work here by Troll.





Martin's own words, you retard. Or do you think Zimmerman hacked Martin's social media accounts months in advance of the incident just to make the poor innocent boy look like a thug and a drug user?

You can lead an asshole to facts, but you can't make Kwicko think.




You know that Trayvon's facebook page was hacked by white supremacists, right?

Or do you just conveniently overlook those kinds of facts, asshole?

http://gawker.com/5897485/white-supremacist-hacks-trayvon-martins-emai
l-account-leaks-messages-online


You've been led to facts, but I can't make you think.



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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:42 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

But we have Martin's OWN WORDS that he was a user.


I'm still not convinced that's his youtube or facebook account. Is there an IP correlation? Does someone use his name on the wall? I didn't see anything particularly identifying.

Quote:

It is whether or not the state can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.


Pretty much this... Which since it CAN'T be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, makes our amateur investigation into both Zimmerman and Martin's activities rather pointless.

I see no reason 1) to claim Martin drank this stuff, both on principle and from the "evidence," and 2) no reason to keep dragging the kid's name through the dirt.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:27 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You know that Trayvon's facebook page was hacked by white supremacists, right?

Or do you just conveniently overlook those kinds of facts, asshole?



Hacked of not they could not have gone back and posted conversations in the past.

That being said, without Martin's facebook page to varify those images are true (or finding the conversation on his friends pages) there is no way to varify them.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


BTW, I just posted on my facebook page that I'm Batman.


Boom. I proved it, according to Troll, because it's posted on my facebook page, in my own words.





Why's The Man always gotta be hassling The Batman?



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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:41 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
BTW, I just posted on my facebook page that I'm Batman.

Boom. I proved it, according to Troll, because it's posted on my facebook page, in my own words.



Martin's posting could have been nothing but talk or they could completely honest. If it can be verified that those are indeed Martin's postings they cannot just be hand waved away my caped friend.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:51 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Even if he WAS using that stuff, since when did possession of drug ingredients or paraphenalia by a black teenager become a " death penalty by vigilantes " crime under Florida law? 1860? 1865? after the Klan was formed? 1965?
And why didn't the cops and DA make a serious good faith investigation early on, before the national media got involved? Sounds way too much like Rodney King out here in LA.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko


You were profiled. Just because you LOOK like someone we know. This is how it always is.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:55 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Do you know how fast codeine clears from the system? Would it appear on the tox screen even 48 hours after the last use?



And promethazine? Here's the answer:

Promethazine has a half life of 12 to 15 hours. However, this is plasma half life. Promethazine is highly protein bound and distributed within tissues. Therefore, even when most of the drug is eliminated (<1%) there will still be subtle residual exchange between the tissues and plasma that can still be detected in a drug screen. (Months)

Dude - give it up. He didn't use the stuff.

As for HIS OWN WORDS --- if young men really had as much sex as they brag about, if (in my day) junior high students really smoked as much weed, if young people really got as wasted as they claim - you wouldn't recognize the world you're living in.

Do you mistake an online persona for reality, especially one of a young man trying to create a cool image? If so you are really clueless.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Remember, Kiki - you're talking to a troll who lives in a cave. He's admitted as much in his own words!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko


You were profiled. Just because you LOOK like someone we know. This is how it always is.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives




But... but... I'm *BATMAN*...

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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:46 PM

OONJERAH


Quote Kwicko: "But... but... I'm *BATMAN*..."

The likeness is obvious, now that you mention it.
But please don't out Robin. He still has to go to school.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:14 AM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Do you know how fast codeine clears from the system? Would it appear on the tox screen even 48 hours after the last use?



And promethazine? Here's the answer:

Promethazine has a half life of 12 to 15 hours. However, this is plasma half life. Promethazine is highly protein bound and distributed within tissues. Therefore, even when most of the drug is eliminated (<1%) there will still be subtle residual exchange between the tissues and plasma that can still be detected in a drug screen. (Months)

Dude - give it up. He didn't use the stuff.

As for HIS OWN WORDS --- if young men really had as much sex as they brag about, if (in my day) junior high students really smoked as much weed, if young people really got as wasted as they claim - you wouldn't recognize the world you're living in.

Do you mistake an online persona for reality, especially one of a young man trying to create a cool image? If so you are really clueless.



Did the tox report just do studies on blood and urine or was there a tissue report as well?

The point being, the defense does not have to PROVE anything. They just have to cast doubt on the state's case. This is looking more like a walk through for Zimmerman.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:20 AM

OONJERAH



I read that Trayvon's GF heard him say, "Get off, get off!" just before the phone went dead.
If so, the prosecution may present it as evidence that Zimmerman touched Martin first.
It could cast doubt on his self-defence claim. Combined with his stalking of a teen who was,
at that moment, doing nothing wrong ...

Look:
Zimmerman was on the phone to 911. He hung up the phone. Then he followed Martin.
Martin was on the phone to his GF. If he then decided he'd rather fight Zimmerman, I think he
would hang up the phone first. Apparently, he did not hang up.

We can say all we want about Trayvon was a gangsta/gangsta wannabe. It's completely irrelevant.
He was doing just fine that night until Zimmerman made contact.

I've also read that juries like to convict.


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I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:29 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Zimmerman was on the phone to 911. He hung up the phone. Then he followed Martin.



The 911 recording makes it clear that Zimmerman started to follow Martin while still on the phone. Not a huge difference, but just felt this need to be corrected.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:41 PM

CHRISISALL


Night stalker.

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:16 PM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


"Did the tox report just do studies on blood and urine or was there a tissue report as well?"

OMFG. My FIRST degree, and job, was doing this kind of testing. You are so F*ing ignorant it's not even funny. Do you know what having a reservoir in the tissue means? It means that a little seeps out into the blood and urine, over a long, long time, And so, it is detectable at trace levels in blood and urine for a long, long time. It's the same mechanism that allows THC to be detected for a long, long time, except promethazine is stored in protein, while THC is stored in fat.

Go away, please, and stop wasting everyone’s time with your banal, ignorant and irrelevant bleating.

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Friday, June 1, 2012 1:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Did the tox report just do studies on blood and urine or was there a tissue report as well?"

OMFG. My FIRST degree, and job, was doing this kind of testing. You are so F*ing ignorant it's not even funny. Do you know what having a reservoir in the tissue means? It means that a little seeps out into the blood and urine, over a long, long time, And so, it is detectable at trace levels in blood and urine for a long, long time. It's the same mechanism that allows THC to be detected for a long, long time, except promethazine is stored in protein, while THC is stored in fat.

Go away, please, and stop wasting everyone’s time with your banal, ignorant and irrelevant bleating.




Apparently you can lead an asshole like Troll to facts, but you can't make him think. No wonder he's a right-winger!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 1, 2012 4:26 AM

CAVETROLL


Kwicko, I thought you were Niki's flying monkey? Now it appears you are 1kiki's flying monkey. Are you running around on Niki?

And Kiki, you haven't done anything to show that this will not cast suspicion on Martin's action. Lack of proof is not proof. You should know that. It's right there in the leftist strategy handbook.

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Friday, June 1, 2012 4:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Kwicko, I thought you were Niki's flying monkey? Now it appears you are 1kiki's flying monkey. Are you running around on Niki?



Are you running around on Rappy?

Quote:


And Kiki, you haven't done anything to show that this will not cast suspicion on Martin's action. Lack of proof is not proof. You should know that. It's right there in the leftist strategy handbook.




Leftists think that lack of proof is not proof? Hmmm... That actually makes sense.

You, on the other hand, seem to think that lack of proof IS proof. In a sense, it is - it's proof that you're a fuckin' moron (but we already knew that).



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 1, 2012 6:55 AM

BYTEMITE


I ship all of you together indiscriminately like nobody's business, so conversations like this delight my little black heart.

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Friday, June 1, 2012 9:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I ship all of you together indiscriminately like nobody's business, so conversations like this delight my little black heart.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipperOnDeck

Amuses the hell outta me too, but mostly I'm just tellin em so to watch their brains explode.

-F

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