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Catholic dioceses, colleges sue over Obama mandate

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:58 AM

AURAPTOR

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Some of you will undoubtedly claim that I'm somehow LYING in this thread...

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Dozens of Roman Catholic dioceses, schools and other institutions sued the Obama administration Monday over a government mandate requiring most employers to provide birth control coverage as part of their employee health plans.

The lawsuits filed in federal courts around the country represent the largest push against the mandate since President Barack Obama announced the policy in January. Among those suing are the University of Notre Dame, the Archdioceses of Washington, New York and Michigan, and the Catholic University of America.

"We have tried negotiation with the administration and legislation with the Congress, and we'll keep at it, but there's still no fix," said New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "Time is running out, and our valuable ministries and fundamental rights hang in the balance, so we have to resort to the courts now."

The U.S. Health and Human Services Department adopted the rule to improve health care for women. Last year, an advisory panel from the Institute of Medicine, which advises the federal government, recommended including birth control on the list of covered services, partly because it promotes maternal and child health by allowing women to space their pregnancies.

However, faith leaders from across religious traditions protested, saying the mandate violates religious freedom. The original rule includes a religious exemption that allows houses of worship to opt-out of the mandate, but keeps the requirement in place for religiously affiliated charities.

In response to the political furor, Obama offered to soften the rule so that insurers would pay for birth control instead of religious groups. However, the bishops and others have said that the accommodation doesn't go far enough.

Health and Human Services spokeswoman Erin Shields said Monday that the department does not comment on pending litigation.

Notre Dame's president, the Rev. John Jenkins, said in a statement that the school decided to sue "after much deliberation, discussion and efforts to find a solution acceptable to the various parties." The university argued that the mandate violates religious freedom by requiring many religiously affiliated hospitals, schools and charities to comply.

"We do not seek to impose our religious beliefs on others," Jenkins said. "We simply ask that the government not impose its values on the university when those values conflict with our religious teachings."

Other religious colleges and institutions have already filed federal suit over the mandate, but observers had been closely watching for Notre Dame's next step.

The university, among the best-known Catholic schools in the country, has indicated past willingness to work with President Barack Obama, despite their differences with him on abortion and other issues. Notre Dame came under unprecedented criticism from U.S. bishops and others in 2009 for inviting Obama, who supports abortion rights, as commencement speaker and presenting him with an honorary law degree.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-05/D9UT814G0.htm



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:12 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Waaa!!! The country wont let us discriminate against women just cuz we say God told us too anymore, Waaa!

Whiny crying TAX EXEMPT institutions. They can go fuck themselves.

And Rappy, U didnt make any claims in this thread, yet.

So you cant be lying, yet.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by BLUEHANDEDMENACE:

And Rappy, U didnt make any claims in this thread, yet.

So you cant be lying, yet.



Does that matter to some here ? Me merely posting , in the eyes of some, means I MUST be lying.

Not that they can actually point out where, but they just know... some how.



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Your lies have been pointed out time and time again.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Blue, that's about how I feel. The growing power of the religious right in this country has been scary for quite some time now; the fact that they feel they deserve special dispensation AND tax-exempt status pisses me off. I have no problem at all with churches being tax exempt and not having to cover contraception; I may not like it on the part of those working there who aren't of that denomination, because there are few of them and they can work elsewhere--which I realize isn't fair, but you gotta draw the line somewhere...

But universities and hospitals??? LOTS of people work at those who aren't of the faith that those are not affiliated with, and to me it's unfair to deny them what all other employers provide. The argument that we shouldn't have to "pay" for it with our tax dollars is ridiculous--we ALREADY pay for some of everything they DO because tax-exempt status means everything they keep comes out of revenue...OUR revenue. So why shouldn't they abide by the laws everyone else has to? Bah...

Their arguments are totally fallacious:
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“The Federal Government does not have the power to force religious organizations to pay for things that that organization thinks is wrong,” said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican.
Bullshit, TONS of things are mandated which organizations "think are wrong", why should they be exempt?
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The Catholic Church essentially stands alone on this policy, with most other Christian churches allowing at least some types of artificial birth control in some circumstances starting in the 1930's.
Welcome to the Dark Ages! It's typical it would be only THE Church, as they're the ones most stuck there.
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It doesn’t come out of the Bible, rather, “It’s a philosophical tradition known as natural law,” said Jim Laine, Director of the religious studies program at Macalester College. Laine said he’s also a Catholic. “Natural law suggests any conjugal act, any sexual act, should be open to the transmission of life,” said Laine.
Thus, it wasn't "God" who told them, it was The Church! So they can't even excuse this one as coming from the Bible--another PRIME example of organized religion abusing its power in telling people what to do--or not do.
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It doesn’t come out of the Bible, rather, “It’s a philosophical tradition known as natural law,” said Jim Laine, Director of the religious studies program at Macalester College. Laine said he’s also a Catholic.

“Natural law suggests any conjugal act, any sexual act, should be open to the transmission of life,” said Laine.

Imagine if nobody used birth control (except, of course, what the Church allows). Just how bad would our population problem be now, and how many would have starved to death? So much for compassion!
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The church crystallized its position in 1968, when Pope Paul VI asked a commission to analyze the issue of birth control. Many American Catholics hoped that the Church would change its position, as it has on other topics over the years.

Two groups issued reports to the Pope: the majority opinion was that the church should leave the decision about birth control up to individual married couples.

“Already from the very beginning of this, in 1968, it was clear there were differences of opinion,” said Laine.

The minority opinion argued that church tradition required the Pope to stay the course, and not allow artificial birth control. The Pope landed on the side of the minority, against birth control.

So it was just the Pope. Wow, talk about the best example in the world of ONE PERSON in an organized religion telling EVERYONE ELSE what to do! Could start a whole other argument for and against religion on that one, and you know where I'D come down!!!



One more for the Supremes, d'ya think?


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:41 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BLUEHANDEDMENACE:
Waaa!!! The country wont let us discriminate against women just cuz we say God told us too anymore, Waaa!

Whiny crying TAX EXEMPT institutions. They can go fuck themselves.



Yep, that's pretty much the whole of it right there.

They don't like it, they can give up their tax status. As long as they hold onto that - they play by the same rules as anyone else, and do not get to discriminate.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:44 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Your lies have been pointed out time and time again.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy



Its comical. We can give a detailed breakdown, line for line, of many lies (not in this specific thread of course, but over time), with actual citations showing them to be false, and he just goes "Nuh-uh" and moves on to the next peice of bullshit.

It's why just mocking him is so much more rewarding.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:20 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Your lies have been pointed out time and time again.




Not once, actually. But thanks for trying .

@Storybook - Disagreeing & being wrong does not = to " lying ". Most children know that much, yet not some, like you & Kwickie.


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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:38 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

@Storybook - Disagreeing & being wrong does not = to " lying ". Most children know that much, yet not some, like you & Kwickie.



I am well aware of this. As is everyone (and they are many) who has pointed out one of your lies.

Saying things that are completely fabricated, and claiming they're facts - THAT is lying. And you're rather prone to it. You insisting it's fact because YOU said it doesn't change that.

How do you keep not getting this?

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:14 AM

AURAPTOR

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Still not a single example.

Huh.

Point of fact... this thread is about a case that the Catholic dioceses have against Obama's mandate. Some may want to side track the entire thread and make it , once again, about me. Why? Easy. Because attacking ME means no one has to deal w/ the issue that their dear and fluffy Leader's healthcare mandate is, once more, being rejected by the public.





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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:06 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I can see both sides of this issue. I personally think its silly to be opposed to all forms of birth control, it isn't fair to anyone, including all the unwanted babies that end up coming into being. And its good for women to have access to controception, and if the government gives them tax breaks then maybe they should just give in. But on the other hand it is something they actively seem to oppose so I don't like the idea of forcing them to do it, what if next they're forced to do other stuff they don't want to do. But back to the first hand Obama made a good compromise that they should just take and move on.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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