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Zimmerman's $200,000

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 16:19
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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Mark O’Mara, the attorney representing George Zimmerman, told the judge in the Trayvon Martin shooting case Friday that his client had much more money on hand than he had revealed to the court at his bond hearing on April 20.

At the bond hearing, Zimmerman’s parents said they had few means to raise the $15,000 necessary to pay a bail bondsman to post a bond to free Zimmerman, who left prison on April 22 with a GPS anklet. But at the time, Zimmerman had at least $150,000 {actually, $204,000} that he had gleaned from a website called The RealGeorgeZimmerman.com.
.....
Ben Crump, the Martin family’s attorney, said Thursday that Zimmerman’s decision to withhold information about his defense fund from his lawyer and the court suggests a character issue that could effect the case. “The lying has begun,” Mr. Crump told CNN. {As we've shown, the lying from Zimmerman already bagan, in at least three instances} http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0427/Judge-wants-answers-abo
ut-200-000-Real-George-Zimmerman-defense-fund

Verrry interesting...according to O'Mara, Zimmerman hadn't told HIM about the money either, and he just learned about it.

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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:40 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Was waiting for you to post on this. You never fail to satisfy. 100 dollars of that 200 grand is mine. I recycled your gift to someone else who deserved it.




"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:51 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Eta... its more like 250 grand


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Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:37 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Article also notes Zimmerman's defense could cost up to $1 million, so not tying up all available funds in bail might not be such a bad idea.

But it's nice to see you're still keeping an open mind about Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, Niki.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:46 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

But it's nice to see you're still keeping an open mind about Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, Niki.



As is ever the case.





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Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:53 AM

HKCAVALIER


So lying to your atourney and to the court is cool as long as it's about money? You guys are so funny.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree, Cav, but I think it's more "lying to the court is okay if you're the Good Guy". The funny thing is, I think that if the situation were reversed and Zimmerman was Black and Martin was White, we'd hear cries of "Ah-HAH! See, he's a bad guy after all!"

I haven't made up my mind as to his guilt or innocense insofar as considering him a "bad guy" who should be thrown in jail for life, but I do think he his partly to blame for it turning out the way it did, and I question his character, given he's now shown to have lied a couple of times and learning he withheld information about the money. As I've been doing all along, I'm reporting further facts that come out. He knew he had that money BEFORE the bail hearing; why didn't he tell anyone, and why did he cry poor and let his family (if they didn't know either) say they'd have a hard time coming up with bail, if he put up the website to help finance his difficulties, then refrain from using it for bail?

Yes, I think he's guilty...of something. Given how fishy this whole thing has been from the start, what's come out SINCE then has convinced me there was something wrong. More on the part of the authorities than anyone else, and THEIR attitude may well have been what he felt empowered him to do whatever he wanted.

My opinion is much the same as others have stated: That there was a pervasive attitude; that Zimmerman seems a pretty simple cop wannabe who understood that attitude; that he was frustrated at not being able to stop what was going on and that he took advantage of a situation, partly caused by his frustration, and simplicity. The attitude by the police in telling witnesses that the bad guy was dead, the lack of investigation, the leaking of information which smeared Martin, and the subsequent obfuscation and DOCUMENTED lies, have reinforced my opinion. I don't think it was about race on the part of Zimmerman except insofar as he'd knowledge that most previous problems had been caused by young Black men; but on the part of the police department, I think there was, as well as them having seen the same and having a lax attitude about THEIR responsibilities when it came to potential Black perpetrators.

None of this would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't felt he had carte blanche and if, in my opinion, he wasn't so eager to be a faux cop; that atmosphere was created by the authorities, not Zimmerman.

That doesn't mean I don't abhor the utilization of this situation to make political hay, I certainly do. I think there was every bit as much rush to judgment on one side as on the other; the ultimate blame in my opinion lies in large part with ALEC who wrote a law so the NRA could encourage more gun ownership. If there were no stand-your-ground law and regular self-defense was the issue, I would like to believe the police department would have treated the case differently, and Zimmerman wouldn't have felt all the authority was in his own hands.

But that's okay, doesn't bother me at all that you guys hate me and are as quick to mischaracterize me as you claim I am to jump on things, I'm used to it. Enjoy.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:28 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So lying to your atourney and to the court is cool as long as it's about money? You guys are so funny.



Aside from the question of whether "lying" about money has anything to do with his guilt or innocence on the murder charge, there's also the question of what money collected on Realgeorgezimmerman.com was collected for.

Zimmerman said on the RealGeorgeZimmerman.com site, "I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated."
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/09/breaking-george-zimmerman-laun
ches-website-to-raise-funds-for-defense
/

So if he were to ensure monies received were used only for living expenses and legal defense, would using the money for bail instead be ethical?

You know that if he'd said the money was just for living expenses and legal defense, and then used it to pay bail, you'd be calling him unethical for lying to the folks who contributed.


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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:44 AM

HKCAVALIER


But see, that's the thing, Niki. The Elephant in the room. If the races were reversed, a.) the black Zimmerman would have been jailed immediately and b.) we'd never have heard about it. I would challenge anyone to find, in the entire history of this country, an example of a black man shooting and killing an unarmed man, woman or child of any race who was not then immediately charged with murder. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY. But killing an unarmed black man is often the black man's fault, 'cause, you know, they're scary.

And no, Mr. Strawmen-R-Us it says nothing about Zimmerman's guilt in the case--no one said it did. But it certainly could impact his trial in a pretty negative gorram light, no? And no, Geezer, I would not be saying jack and/or shit about Zimmerman's lying to folks on the internet because that would have nothing to do with his murder trial whatever. Try again. Or don't. Whatever.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Cav, I know. You're right...sigh...

As to
Quote:

You know that if he'd said the money was just for living expenses and legal defense, and then used it to pay bail, you'd be calling him unethical for lying to the folks who contributed.
Well, that's pretty absurd. No, I certainly wouldn't; in my opinion bail is part of the legal aspect. He could easily have used only $20,000 of that money for bond, and it would have left the bulk for other expenses. It would never have occurred to me that wasn't related to his legal defense and I have had no quarrel with his doing so. That he didn't even tell his ATTORNEY he had the money left his attorney in an awkward position (which I'm pretty sure, given this guy has seemed thus far to be pretty sharp and pretty square, he didn't appreciate) and reflected badly on him. What attorney would have wanted that?

Sorry, your premise doesn't fit me.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:15 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
But that's okay, doesn't bother me at all that you guys hate me and are as quick to mischaracterize me as you claim I am to jump on things, I'm used to it.



But that's the thing. I don't hate you, I just think you're wrong. I think you've already made up your mind, and the "facts" you continue to post are only those that conform to your mindset.




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Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But see, that's the thing, Niki. The Elephant in the room. If the races were reversed, a.) the black Zimmerman would have been jailed immediately and b.) we'd never have heard about it. I would challenge anyone to find, in the entire history of this country, an example of a black man shooting and killing an unarmed man, woman or child of any race who was not then immediately charged with murder.




Okay.

Quote:

Taco Bell Shooting Victim was Holding Leash, Not Weapon

Victim's sister calling for shooter's arrest

LAVEEN - Police are saying more about a shooting at a Taco Bell Tuesday night in which one man died.

They're also identifying the victim as 29-year-old Daniel Adkins.

About 7:30 p.m., a 22-year-old man and his girlfriend ordered food at the Taco Bell drive-thru and were told to pull up while their order was prepared.

At the same time, Adkins stepped around a corner into the path of the vehicle and angry words were exchanged between he and the driver.

They got into an altercation and Adkins was shot once by the driver. He died at the scene.

The driver, a 22-year-old black male, called police but has not been arrested.

At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.

Family members want that driver arrested, but he's claiming self-defense.

"He needs to be behind bars. I'll never see my brother again," says sister Marina Reyes. "If he felt that my brother was threatening him, he could have easily just rolled up the window and called the cops."

A metal pipe or bat was never located. An independent witness did say Adkins swung his fists in the driver's direction.

“He swung his fist towards the driver window, and at some point the driver shot him,” says Phoenix Police Sgt. Tommy Thompson. “Just because we don’t book a person immediately does not mean we don’t charge a person at a later date.”

The dog, Lady, stayed by Adkins' side until the Humane Society came. Adkins lived with his mom and dad. He's 29, but his family says he's mentally disabled and has the mental capacity of a 12-year-old. He didn't drive, and walked wherever he went.

"This person is still on the loose and I don't agree with that. So he's saying self defense, then where's the weapon? Where's the pipe? They didn't find anything on my brother," says Reyes. "He was just too aggressive, you don't need to go that far."

The shooter's name has not been released. The investigation is still ongoing.



http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-w
as-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012


And a TV report.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:36 AM

HKCAVALIER


Well, Geezer, that's something else. Ya got me. And the victim was white and handicapped. That story looks even more koo-koo than this Zimmerman madness. The driver shot the man from inside his car??? What the hell is going on in this gun crazy country? (Nothing against the 2A, just the gun craziness.) The state this happened in have a "sit your ground law" or a "stand your drive through law" to protect the killer? So where's Leonidas and when's he gonna kick me down his well? 'Cause this is madness!

(ETA: In it's own effed up way, this does give me some comfort that the behavior of the cops investigating the Martin killing may not have been motivated solely by the blackness of the victim in letting Zimmerman walk. But it's still plenty effed up. Thanks for the link, Geez.)

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:44 AM

WHOZIT


This is really going to piss off NIKI2...I wouldn't give that murderer Zimmerman 10 cents! He was TWICE THE SIZE of that KID and should have been able to have defeneded himself WITHOUT THAT GUN! If Zimmerman was a REAL MAN he would have been able to take a TEENAGE KID half his size, I hope he's raped in jail. Sorry NIKI, were on the same page on this one, get over it.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's a horrible, horrific story, how awful! I would say three things about it:

This is the only thing we've read, and I would like more facts before making up my mind about the shooter's innocence or guilt..

The police said "Just because we don’t book a person immediately does not mean we don’t charge a person at a later date". I don't know if that will happen or not, but almost a month after it happened, Zimmerman still wasn't arrested and there was no mention by police that they intended ANY further investigation or actions.

Lastly, how many of these instances can you come up with? If we spent even a few minutes, I'm sure we could come up with dozens (or more) of examples of whites getting off killing blacks and not being immediately arrested; I think it would take you a long time--if ever--to find many of the opposite.

As to whatzit, I don't know what rocker he's fallen off NOW. I'm assuming it's a snark--tho' a rather poor one--because obviously I have never expressed any such ideas. That's about as much as it's worth, actually maybe a bit more.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:11 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
That's a horrible, horrific story, how awful! I would say three things about it:

This is the only thing we've read, and I would like more facts before making up my mind about the shooter's innocence or guilt..

The police said "Just because we don’t book a person immediately does not mean we don’t charge a person at a later date". I don't know if that will happen or not, but almost a month after it happened, Zimmerman still wasn't arrested and there was no mention by police that they intended ANY further investigation or actions.

Lastly, how many of these instances can you come up with? If we spent even a few minutes, I'm sure we could come up with dozens (or more) of examples of whites getting off killing blacks and not being immediately arrested; I think it would take you a long time--if ever--to find many of the opposite.

As to whatzit, I don't know what rocker he's fallen off NOW. I'm assuming it's a snark--tho' a rather poor one--because obviously I have never expressed any such ideas. That's about as much as it's worth, actually maybe a bit more.





I think you're rite, it must suck to be you now. How dare I agree with you now. You have to hate me now, it's a rule.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:26 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I don't hate you Niki. I just know you for what you are.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:31 PM

OONJERAH



'Zit's rule re Niki: "You have to hate me now, it's a rule."

Yeah, but ... can he enforce it?

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:32 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Lastly, how many of these instances can you come up with?



Here's another.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:37 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The state this happened in have a "sit your ground law" or a "stand your drive through law" to protect the killer?



Seems to me that all the talk about the "stand your ground" law really depends on the circumstances. If Zimmerman stalked and shot Martin, it doesn't apply. If Martin attacked Zimmerman and had him down and beating his head on the concrete, it doesn't apply. Only if Martin threatened Zimmerman, Zimmerman had the opportunity to retreat, and he instead shot Martin would it apply.

Quote:

So where's Leonidas and when's he gonna kick me down his well?

Or Mal kick you into the engine?

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:44 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
As to whatzit, I don't know what rocker he's fallen off NOW. I'm assuming it's a snark--tho' a rather poor one--because obviously I have never expressed any such ideas.



Well, back in the '"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit' thread, you did cite an article that contained this:

"Disregarding the police Zimmerman approached the boy with a gun and the boy attempted to defend himself. Now Zimmerman who weighed about 100 pounds more than the boy and had a gun is claimng self defense. He shot and killed this innocent boy."

Sort'a similar to "He was TWICE THE SIZE of that KID and should have been able to have defeneded himself WITHOUT THAT GUN!"

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:33 PM

OONJERAH


Quote Geezer: "Well, back in the '"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit' thread, you did cite an article ..."

The "Racism is dead in America." Bullshit thread is back on page 5, its latest post, Mar 28.
Some of us are into updates and revisions now, reassessing the topic. To be Fair, I'd hope
the Zimmerman fans would acknowledge that.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Meh - never mind. Misread the sig as being part of your response.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Monday, April 30, 2012 2:37 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote Geezer: "Well, back in the '"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit' thread, you did cite an article ..."
The "Racism is dead in America." Bullshit thread is back on page 5, its latest post, Mar 28.
Some of us are into updates and revisions now, reassessing the topic. To be Fair, I'd hope
the Zimmerman fans would acknowledge that.



So the value of "never", as in "...because obviously I have never expressed any such ideas." is now about a month?

Also not sure how trying to be open-minded about all sides of the Martin/Zimmerman incident instead of assuming Zimmermen's guilt makes one a "Zimmermen fan".

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Monday, April 30, 2012 5:56 AM

CAVETROLL


From CNN's article on the Arizona shooting;
Quote:


...CNN is withholding the shooter's name because he has not been charged with a crime...


I guess Zimmerman wasn't eligible for the same consideration.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:54 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of someone having a website to raise legal funds, both sides of a dispute could do this and whoever raises more money gets the better lawyer? The whole concept is quite new to me and so I don't know what to think. ... I've never seen its like before. But I guess it all comes down to money often times anyway, so maybe this isn't a bad thing? Because anyone can earn money for their defense? ...

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:19 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of someone having a website to raise legal funds, both sides of a dispute could do this and whoever raises more money gets the better lawyer? The whole concept is quite new to me and so I don't know what to think. ... I've never seen its like before. But I guess it all comes down to money often times anyway, so maybe this isn't a bad thing? Because anyone can earn money for their defense?



Just a sign of the times. I can find everything from a Sarah Palin to an Occupy Nashville to a Gov. Scott Walker to an Animal league legal defense fund online.

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